Who applying or planning on applying to Rocky?

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Nope.
 
Sure, why not. Colorado seems nice.
 
Meatwad said:
Sure, why not. Colorado seems nice.
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Colorado is very nice. I lived there for over 30 years and loved it! If I was applying this year though, and still living in CO, I wouldn't apply to RVU. The private loans would just scare me off. But good luck to you in medical school - I don't even need to ask your stats, I'm sure you'll get in to RVU (assuming you have good credit) 😉

Edit--Just noticed your sig. and assumed you are currently in medical school--so ignore the RVU part, but the good luck still stands! 🙂
 
I was excited about a new school in CO at first, I really don't want to leave the state for med school...but its not worth the risk. Among many other variables (no gov't loans, for-profit, newness, etc.) I want to be proud to tell people where I go to school. Nope, not applying.
 
I think all this "for-profit" talk is waaaay overrated anyway. Some of you guys are getting carried away with some "noble" and "holier than thou" attitudes. Medical education in U.S as well as healthcare in general is a business first, and foremost. That includes you IVY league snobs with ".edu" all the way to the bank. If it doesn't affect my chances of getting a good residency I couldn't careless about how this school came to life more. It still beats going off to the banana shore with ".edu" in the Swiss bank accounts, gives all 50 States, and a shot at both D.O and allo residencies. I'm applying, but will find alternate way to finance for a couple of years. No big deal to me.
 
Doctor Bagel said:
At least it's not in Texas. 🙄 So you get bugged when people bash Texas and yet it's fun to bash other states that you've never lived in and probably know nothing about?
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I never knew there was so much Texas-Oklahoma rivalry that existed. I assumed the two states were interchangeable, like New York and New Jersey (I'm a NYer and feel that although Jersey is far inferior, NJers are pretty much honorary NYers).
 
Barts said:
I don't even need to ask your stats, I'm sure you'll get in to RVU (assuming you have good credit) 😉
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The thing is my stats are far superior to my credit score. I don't remember the exact number the last time I checked, but it's considered "poor."🙁
 
I probably was not going to apply. After finding out that you can't get government loans I am definitely not applying.
 
Meatwad said:
I never knew there was so much Texas-Oklahoma rivalry that existed. I assumed the two states were interchangeable, like New York and New Jersey (I'm a NYer and feel that although Jersey is far inferior, NJers are pretty much honorary NYers).
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Honestly there's a football rivalry, and that's about it. TexasTriathlete's obviously got some issues with Oklahoma based on the fact that he's already made 2 totally unmerited posts bashing it, but why I don't know. Maybe his deal is football? IMO, both states suck (and yes, I've lived in both), but Oklahomans admit that, and there's no such thing as Oklahoma shaped chips. 😉

And to not be a hypocrite, TexasTriathlete -- if you actually lived in Oklahoma, feel free to bash it all you want, and I'll withdraw all my negative comments. If you've never been north of Dallas, why the need to make the mean remarks?
 
Meatwad said:
The thing is my stats are far superior to my credit score. I don't remember the exact number the last time I checked, but it's considered "poor."🙁
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No RVU for you then. I wonder if they'll make all their applicants consent to a credit check.
I know other schools do, and the fact that it's all private loans has to make them care about that.
 
Does the New School in Washington have gov't loans?
 
No way Jose.
I'm sure many don't feel an aversion to private, for profit companies getting into medical school business. But, this would be a blow to the integrity of DO as a profession. It's just one more thing for the MD folks to pick on.
Plus (and a minor plus.....), ROCKY VISTA? C'MON give me a break. It sounds like beer name.

"Rocky Vista, from the mountains of the Rockies come the most refreshing beer, I mean osteopathic medical school.
 
gt2007 said:
Does the New School in Washington have gov't loans?
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According to their website, they're in the application process, and the loans might not be available until after school starts. I have no clue if it will take them 2 years like RVU is saying or if they'll get them by next year.
 
NewHope said:
I think all this "for-profit" talk is waaaay overrated anyway. Some of you guys are getting carried away with some "noble" and "holier than thou" attitudes. Medical education in U.S as well as healthcare in general is a business first, and foremost. That includes you IVY league snobs with ".edu" all the way to the bank. If it doesn't affect my chances of getting a good residency I couldn't careless about how this school came to life more. It still beats going off to the banana shore with ".edu" in the Swiss bank accounts, gives all 50 States, and a shot at both D.O and allo residencies. I'm applying, but will find alternate way to finance for a couple of years. No big deal to me.
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YEAH!! I'm with you on this one man!! I hate schools that have a .edu!! Snobby bastards ... how dare they declare themselves to the cyber world as offering an 'education.' Selfish ... that's what it is, 'noble,' 'holier than thou,' and selfish.

Whatever you have to tell youself to sleep at night about RVU ... just keep justifying it.:meanie:
 
What's with the $175 secondary application fee. That is outrageous!!!
 
I have lived in both Oklahoma and Texas, and I'll have to say that I enjoy Oklahoma much more. Maybe it's the small towns that I've lived in (compared to Irving and Dallas).

And we'll still kick your ass in football.🙄
 
I would apply if all other DO schools rejected me AND all of the respectable caribbean schools. Lucky for me, I got in to a very good DO school already.
 
DiverDoc said:
I would apply if all other DO schools rejected me AND all of the respectable caribbean schools. Lucky for me, I got in to a very good DO school already.
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Have you withdrawn from the other schools or will you still be going on other interviews?
 
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Doctor Bagel said:
At least it's not in Texas. 🙄 So you get bugged when people bash Texas and yet it's fun to bash other states that you've never lived in and probably know nothing about?
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Austin is one of those places where people go and try to be as unique as possible (T-Shirt Motto: Keep Austin Weird) and then they all end up being so boringly the same - at least that's the quote from a patient in the ER the other night! It's a wannabe Portland/Seattle scene but it's not all bad.
 
DiverDoc said:
I would apply if all other DO schools rejected me AND all of the respectable caribbean schools. Lucky for me, I got in to a very good DO school already.
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Why would you rather go to a caribbean school over RVU? I thought it was better to graduate from a school within the country even if it is for profit.
 
the gf is in oklahoma right now.for rotations..and she hates it..because of the small towns..I guess its all personal preference...And the Texas/oklahoma rivalry is mainly based on college football...other then that..there really is no rivalry/comparison between the two. you cant really blame oklahoma tho..they dont really have pro sports there..so all they have is college sports..

edit: sorry for hijaking the thread 🙂

i dont think anyone should apply..but thats just me 😛
 
DiverDoc said:
I would apply if all other DO schools rejected me AND all of the respectable caribbean schools. Lucky for me, I got in to a very good DO school already.
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Feel the signature man... Congrats..
 
POPS45 said:
Why would you rather go to a caribbean school over RVU? I thought it was better to graduate from a school within the country even if it is for profit.
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Thank You!
At least somebody gets it on this thread. That was my point before. Ppl think that b/c some of more established schools in the Carib have ".edu" extension it makes them a "sacred cow" of being an education institution, and nothing more 🙄. You've gotta be kidding me. These places operate on a trimester basis, and are businesses first, and second, and third, if possible too. Look, I went to ROSS for some time before, and know a "little bit" more how Carib works than someone who's never even done a research on that. But it doesn't matter. I'll take an American school with ".org" extension, than a foreign charter with an ".edu". I really don't understand what is all of this stink about? Do some activists on this thread want to tell me that RVU graduate won't be a subject to the same set of boards, exams, licensing R&Rs? Do the schools with ".edu" give you education for free? Some of you guys need to take a chill pill. I suggest use a supermarket approach. You see something you like:grab it. If you don't like something leave it for others who might needed. Anyway, it's one man's opinion.
Carry on :meanie:
 
NewHope said:
Thank You!
At least somebody gets it on this thread. That was my point before. Ppl think that b/c some of more established schools in the Carib have ".edu" extension it makes them a "sacred cow" of being an education institution, and nothing more 🙄. You've gotta be kidding me. These places operate on a trimester basis, and are businesses first, and second, and third, if possible too. Look, I went to ROSS for some time before, and know a "little bit" more how Carib works than someone who's never even done a research on that. But it doesn't matter. I'll take an American school with ".org" extension, than a foreign charter with an ".edu". I really don't understand what is all of this stink about? Do some activists on this thread want to tell me that RVU graduate won't be a subject to the same set of boards, exams, licensing R&Rs? Do the schools with ".edu" give you education for free? Some of you guys need to take a chill pill. I suggest use a supermarket approach. You see something you like:grab it. If you don't like something leave it for others who might needed. Anyway, it's one man's opinion.
Carry on :meanie:
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I'm in agreement.
 
Barts said:
Colorado is very nice. I lived there for over 30 years and loved it! If I was applying this year though, and still living in CO, I wouldn't apply to RVU. The private loans would just scare me off. But good luck to you in medical school - I don't even need to ask your stats, I'm sure you'll get in to RVU (assuming you have good credit) 😉

Edit--Just noticed your sig. and assumed you are currently in medical school--so ignore the RVU part, but the good luck still stands! 🙂
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There is no such thing as "Princeton University College of Medicine", Princeton University does not have a medical school.
 
I have a wife a daughter and another one on the way. I have lived in colorado most of my life and will with any luck be here for another four at Rocky Vista (mmmm beer). As for the loans the HPSP Scholarship will do me well. It is my first choice and If accepted early enough I will not go on any other interviews.I continue to think about how much fun it will be to be an inagural class all the things that I could do to set traditions that may be there for years to come. I like thinking of being an ambassador for Rocky Vista after graduation. That is when they should be judged. The one thing many people keep forgetting is that unlike many of the degree churning private for-profit universities (ie. DeVry Univ. of phoenix, ITT, and so on.) is the people getting their same MBA's from there are not on the same level as someone else's MBA becuase their is no universal test like the COMLEX or USMLE to make sure that the Doctors produced don't end up like Dr. Nick Rivera.
"Good luck everybody"
Good luck Dr. Nick
 
libo1369 said:
I have a wife a daughter and another one on the way. I have lived in colorado most of my life and will with any luck be here for another four at Rocky Vista (mmmm beer). As for the loans the HPSP Scholarship will do me well. It is my first choice and If accepted early enough I will not go on any other interviews.I continue to think about how much fun it will be to be an inagural class all the things that I could do to set traditions that may be there for years to come. I like thinking of being an ambassador for Rocky Vista after graduation. That is when they should be judged. The one thing many people keep forgetting is that unlike many of the degree churning private for-profit universities (ie. DeVry Univ. of phoenix, ITT, and so on.) is the people getting their same MBA's from there are not on the same level as someone else's MBA becuase their is no universal test like the COMLEX or USMLE to make sure that the Doctors produced don't end up like Dr. Nick Rivera.
"Good luck everybody"
Good luck Dr. Nick
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ambassador to Rocky Vista... Okay going a little overboard there. I agree that they shouldnt be judged until after they graduate their first class but alot of skepticism is only healthy.
 
NewHope said:
Thank You!
At least somebody gets it on this thread. That was my point before. Ppl think that b/c some of more established schools in the Carib have ".edu" extension it makes them a "sacred cow" of being an education institution, and nothing more 🙄. You've gotta be kidding me. These places operate on a trimester basis, and are businesses first, and second, and third, if possible too. Look, I went to ROSS for some time before, and know a "little bit" more how Carib works than someone who's never even done a research on that. But it doesn't matter. I'll take an American school with ".org" extension, than a foreign charter with an ".edu". I really don't understand what is all of this stink about? Do some activists on this thread want to tell me that RVU graduate won't be a subject to the same set of boards, exams, licensing R&Rs? Do the schools with ".edu" give you education for free? Some of you guys need to take a chill pill. I suggest use a supermarket approach. You see something you like:grab it. If you don't like something leave it for others who might needed. Anyway, it's one man's opinion.
Carry on :meanie:
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No offense at all ... but I simply disagree with basically everything you are saying.

First and foremost; I don't think ANYONE here looks at Carib schools as a 'sacred cow.' Very far from it actually. No one respects it any more because they have a '.edu' url. It's just quite funny that RVU is classified as an organization. I'm just saying I don't want my degree from an organization.

Second ... You aren't making the case for RVU any stronger by saying you are someone who attempted a Carib medical school, where (correct me if I'm wrong) you didn't complete your medical education, but they took your money none the less (even with a .edu)?? And NOW, you want to go to RVU after not finishing at a Carib school?? I want to be perfectly clear that I am NOT personally attacking you whatsoever, but I think your situation is proving people's problem with for profit education in the first place. People are afraid of RVU being a 'if your check clears urr in,' type of place and I am sorry, but you are not helping that (hopefully incorrect) assumption.

Third ... no one is doubting that RVU students will have to meet all the same standards to become licensed physicians in the United States, the fear is that they will let anyone come in and give it the ole' college try if they just pay the price for it. Carib schools are known for having a ton of people fail the boards/drop out because they are students who probably shouldn't have been there in the first place. And yet, they don't care because they still got the money for every student who didn't finish.

Lastly ... the reason why people are upset about this is because it's a DO school that is in the STATES!!! If RVU does turn out to have the same standards as the Carib schools ... it could be bad news for everyone with a DO degree from an American school.

So what's my final thought ??

Do I really think RVU is going to encompass all these things and become a US Carib school??? No, probably not. However, I think it is important that people who are in full support of the school (for whatever reason) are aware of why so many people are against it. Right or wrong, it's just important that the wide spread disapproval is understood. I'm starting to think RVU won't really affect anything for the DO (as long as it doesn't set a dangerous venue for new for profit schools to pop up), and I truly hope that they do stick with high admission requirements, and produce good doctors.

Sorry if this post seemed long, or offensive ... I wasn't trying to be, I just wanted to express potential concerns in repsonse to people who are just full fledged in support of RVU.
 
JaggerPlate said:
no one is doubting that RVU students will have to meet all the same standards to become licensed physicians in the United States, the fear is that they will let anyone come in and give it the ole' college try if they just pay the price for it. Carib schools are known for having a ton of people fail the boards/drop out because they are students who probably shouldn't have been there in the first place. And yet, they don't care because they still got the money for every student who didn't finish.
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Funny, but isn't this the same excuse MD's make against DO schools in general?

Believe it or not... some of those carib schools actually have some standards and reject students. After all, its better for business to take students that'll actually matriculate to 3rd/4th year (and therefore able to provide more income). And I'd like to see what you consider "a ton of people" that fail boards. Ross, St. Georges and Saba all have higher 1st time USMLE pass rates than the 70% pass rate of DO candidates.
 
Terpskins99 said:
Funny, but isn't this the same excuse MD's make against DO schools in general?

Believe it or not... some of those carib schools actually have some standards and reject students. After all, its better for business to take students that'll actually matriculate to 3rd/4th year (and therefore able to provide more income). And I'd like to see what you consider "a ton of people" that fail boards. Ross, St. Georges and Saba all have higher 1st time USMLE pass rates than the 70% pass rate of DO candidates.
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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess ... Allopathic Med student (maybe even Carib ?) posting in the pre-osteo forums???

Like I said ... my intent was not to insult anyone. I do realize that Carib schools do have standards, especially the big 4. And I really don't have stats on hand that prove a lot of people fail out, but I do know my response was to a poster who had left a Carib school. Also, as far as you assumption of what MD's think about DO's ... no, you are wrong again. How can MD schools think that DO schools let anyone in for money if there has never been a single for profit DO school before RVU? That doesn't even make sense. And at a school like Western University of Health Sciences, for example, the average gpa is around a 3.6 and MCAT is a 28. That is on par with many MD programs ... so yes, anyone can take a shot at a DO school as long as they meet admission standards (which I have stated before, are quite respectable), the exact same way they can at MD schools. I actually should go compare the average stats at Carib on par with any DO school ... just for fun. Finally, your stat of 70% of DO students passing the boards is completely incorrect, and here is why. Almost all DO schools have 90% plus pass rates of COMLEX, the osteopathic test ... HOWEVER, a lot of DO students want to match into allopathic residencies so they take USMLE ... which is not the regular test for DOs and that is the pass rate of 70% (on USMLE). So yes, that is where your number came from.

If I can ask ... where do you attend Medical School?
 
Terpskins99 said:
Funny, but isn't this the same excuse MD's make against DO schools in general?

Believe it or not... some of those carib schools actually have some standards and reject students. After all, its better for business to take students that'll actually matriculate to 3rd/4th year (and therefore able to provide more income). And I'd like to see what you consider "a ton of people" that fail boards. Ross, St. Georges and Saba all have higher 1st time USMLE pass rates than the 70% pass rate of DO candidates.
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Damn straight terpskins, you want your set number of clinical rotation spaces for year 3/ year 4 to be filled to get that revenue stream up at maximum potential. But why not accept even more students for year 1 than we have year 3 rotation spaces to even further maximize revenue and profit. Therein lies the caribbean medical school business plan and future rocky vista business plan. and how many of those ross, saba and st.georges kids failed out before they got to that uslme? and how about that 5-6 month break those kids get for pure board studying?
 
Terpskins99 said:
Funny, but isn't this the same excuse MD's make against DO schools in general?
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just want to point out its MD's on SDN vs DO's on SDN. Outside of SDN no one cares.

That's all I have to contribute to this thread 😀

Well that and if it turns into a bashing fest, fair warning that this thread will be closed if it degenerates.
 
JaggerPlate said:
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess ... Allopathic Med student (maybe even Carib ?) posting in the pre-osteo forums???

Like I said ... my intent was not to insult anyone. I do realize that Carib schools do have standards, especially the big 4. And I really don't have stats on hand that prove a lot of people fail out, but I do know my response was to a poster who had left a Carib school. Also, as far as you assumption of what MD's think about DO's ... no, you are wrong again. How can MD schools think that DO schools let anyone in for money if there has never been a single for profit DO school before RVU? That doesn't even make sense. And at a school like Western University of Health Sciences, for example, the average gpa is around a 3.6 and MCAT is a 28. That is on par with many MD programs ... so yes, anyone can take a shot at a DO school as long as they meet admission standards (which I have stated before, are quite respectable), the exact same way they can at MD schools. I actually should go compare the average stats at Carib on par with any DO school ... just for fun. Finally, your stat of 70% of DO students passing the boards is completely incorrect, and here is why. Almost all DO schools have 90% plus pass rates of COMLEX, the osteopathic test ... HOWEVER, a lot of DO students want to match into allopathic residencies so they take USMLE ... which is not the regular test for DOs and that is the pass rate of 70% (on USMLE). So yes, that is where your number came from.

If I can ask ... where do you attend Medical School?
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You'd guess incorrectly. I'm an MS3 at an osteopathic program. I just happen to have read up on the caribb programs (partly through researching up on them for personal reasons and also from hearing first hand from some of their graduates).

No, my stats are not incorrect. You misread my post. The three programs I listed (the only ones I would recommend to anyone considering the Carrib IMG route) all have over 90% 1st time pass rates of the USMLE. DO's only pass 70% on their first attempt. You can't really use COMLEX as a comparison, since only DO students take that exam.

Also, you misinterpreted my "better for business" quote. I was referring to the caribbean programs. THEY have minimum standards for admissions as well (for example: you cannot apply to St. Georges if you have less than a certain GPA and/or MCAT). You implied that all of these programs would accept anyone and everyone. Thats simply not true.

Look, I'm not here to try and argue which is better or not. But I'm just trying to clear up some misinformation about for profit programs. There are a LOT of hasty (and likely false) assumptions being made about Rocky Vista. It could turn out to be just as good as any other DO program... if not better. And the fact that they are in the states automatically makes them far more attractive option for those that feel they are stuck only to consider the IMG route.
 
Terpskins99 said:
You'd guess incorrectly. I'm an MS3 at an osteopathic program. I just happen to have read up on the caribb programs (partly through researching up on them for personal reasons and also from hearing first hand from some of their graduates).

No, my stats are not incorrect. You misread my post. The three programs I listed (the only ones I would recommend to anyone considering the Carrib IMG route) all have over 90% 1st time pass rates of the USMLE. DO's only pass 70% on their first attempt. You can't really use COMLEX as a comparison, since only DO students take that exam.

Also, you misinterpreted my "better for business" quote. I was referring to the caribbean programs. THEY have minimum standards for admissions as well (for example: you cannot apply to St. Georges if you have less than a certain GPA and/or MCAT). You implied that all of these programs would accept anyone and everyone. Thats simply not true.

Look, I'm not here to try and argue which is better or not. But I'm just trying to clear up some misinformation about for profit programs. There are a LOT of hasty (and likely false) assumptions being made about Rocky Vista. It could turn out to be just as good as any other DO program... if not better. And the fact that they are in the states automatically makes them far more attractive option for those that feel they are stuck only to consider the IMG route.
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I really don't want this thread to go down in flames, and since you are a DO student ... I don't think we need to sit here and argue FMD vs DO. I agree that the big Carib schools do have admission standards, and I hope that you are right about Rocky Vista. All any of us can do now is wait and see so as long as they keep their admission standards on par with other DO schools, it should be fine.
 
+ 1,000,000 👍

Since I am tony montana, and I am bad - so I can do that! :laugh:
 
Unfortuantely the majority of pre-meds applying are NOT on SDN. I just hope they realize about financial aid. Don't forget to spread the word about that ...
 
mshheaddoc said:
Unfortuantely the majority of pre-meds applying are NOT on SDN. I just hope they realize about financial aid. Don't forget to spread the word about that ...
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That is the issue that I think most people will overlook, and it's very troubling. Someone so motivated to go to medical school will do so at basically at any cost, so I think the financial aid situation is going to be on the back burner compared to getting an acceptance; and a lot of people are going to be screwed. If they have any morals at all (which I'm doubting) they will say something in an interview or SOMETHING before matriculation.
 
JaggerPlate said:
That is the issue that I think most people will overlook, and it's very troubling. Someone so motivated to go to medical school will do so at basically at any cost, so I think the financial aid situation is going to be on the back burner compared to getting an acceptance; and a lot of people are going to be screwed. If they have any morals at all (which I'm doubting) they will say something in an interview or SOMETHING before matriculation.
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You know they'll put a positive spin on it SOMEHOW then the poor kids sign up for financial aid, start school and have no clue. Remember there are a TON of clueless pre-meds out there too.
 
Why all the negativity...really. When accredited, it will be accredited just like every other DO school. Medical education is what you put into it -- be it DO or MD. There is no shortage of qualified pre-meds out there, many, many will apply and the top will be accepted - just like at any other school. If it's not for you, apply elsewhere, but if it fits others - great. They will go on to become the doctors they want to be.

Why some of you think that you are more enlightened than the commission on osteopathic college accreditation I will never understand.
 
As a Colorado kid, I was first excited to hear of this school. Now, not so much.
I will not be applying to, or considering RVU now or in the future.👎
Too, bad though. I would have loved to stay home.
 
paramediclizard said:
As a Colorado kid, I was first excited to hear of this school. Now, not so much.
I will not be applying to, or considering RVU now or in the future.👎
Too, bad though. I would have loved to stay home.
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Yeah, I love Colorado but wouldn't apply to RVUCOM even if they sent me a pre-acceptance letter...you know, one like all the credit card companies send out. 😉
 
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