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i'm just curious....i've been very close to a few transguys and have experienced the unique issues related to their health - it is one of my motivating factors for pursuing a career as a doctor.

is anyone else out there interested in pursuing a career in healthcare for the Trans community?

does anybody know of any Trans physicians and whether or not they transitioned before, after, or during med school?

anybody know of good ways to get involved in Trans health scene?
 
I don't even know how to respond. It's so out of my world I never even thought of it.
I'm sure whatever physician is a trans-sexual probably doesn't advertise it.
 
I don't even know how to respond. It's so out of my world I never even thought of it.
I'm sure whatever physician is a trans-sexual probably doesn't advertise it.

I ditto the above. I didn't even think of it. I can honestly say I have never knowingly interacted with a tranny in my entire life. Sounds interesting though
 
[This is a dummy account for better anonymity so not a troll or anything.]

I'm a transguy a couple of years into transition and planning to go to med school in a couple more, so I will have transitioned by then. I only know of one transitioned FTM doctor and then a couple MTF doctors, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were more.

I do not want to go into trans-specific healthcare myself, but I think it's awesome that there are people who do. I am pretty scared of the prospect of going to the hospital because most doctors and other healthcare workers in general are not trans-aware at all and some will even act negatively. Even the most routine scares me so much that I will only go to a doctor I know is trans-friendly and understands my anxiety.

So yeah, I think the best thing to start with is definitely understand what problems transgender people face in healthcare and also what sort of specific things they may need, which it sounds like you already have an idea of. If you live in a city with an LGBT clinic, you might look into volunteering there. (Howard Brown Health Center in Chicago, Mazoni Center in Philly, etc.) Anyway, I'm tired so I'm not tying my thoughts together well, but I'd say learning about what it all entails and looking into helping out with trans resources would definitely be a good start. Hope that helps a little at least.
 
I ditto the above. I didn't even think of it. I can honestly say I have never knowingly interacted with a tranny in my entire life. Sounds interesting though

Just as a rule of thumb, tranny is considered by many to be an offensive term, so be careful with using it.
 
Just as a rule of thumb, tranny is considered by many to be an offensive term, so be careful with using it.
What isn't offensive to at least one person these days? Personally the whole cross-dressing thing is just plain bull**** if you ask me. It shouldn't be considered a real condition. It's a choice just like any other time someone dresses up as something they are not. We shouldn't cater to them more than any other oddball group who thinks their outlandish claim is valid. Personally, I know two cross-dressers and both of them are nice guys. I don't hold it against them but I still think it is a choice, not anything more.
 
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i'm just curious....i've been very close to a few transguys and have experienced the unique issues related to their health - it is one of my motivating factors for pursuing a career as a doctor.

is anyone else out there interested in pursuing a career in healthcare for the Trans community?

does anybody know of any Trans physicians and whether or not they transitioned before, after, or during med school?

anybody know of good ways to get involved in Trans health scene?

Yes! The way that trans patients and even gay patients had been treated by many health care professionals appaled me and was a significant factor in my deciding to become a physician. I wrote about this in some of my secondary essays, especially brown's, as brown was the first school to include gender identity in their non-discrimination clause. There is pretty much no literature out there regarding health care discrimination and i am really interested in doing a medical anthropology-type study of this...if i choose to go to stony brook this will be my research as their anthro dept. is really strong.
The best way to get involved now is by volunteering at an LGBT or even specificall trans health center. Some cities have centers specifically for transgendered patients, but in other cities where the population is too small it is linked wtih the larger LGBT clinics. I know there is a trans center in NYC. I'm not sure about philly, but i believe that the Mazzoni center (for all LGBT patients) is so widely visited that there wouldnt be a big market for one.
 
What isn't offensive to at least one person these days? Personally the whole cross-dressing thing is just plain bull**** if you ask me. It shouldn't be considered a real condition. It's a choice just like any other time someone dresses up as something they are not. We shouldn't cater to them more than any other oddball group who thinks their outlandish claim is valid. Personally, I know two cross-dressers and both of them are nice guys. I don't hold it against them but I still think it is a choice, not anything more.

There is a difference between cross-dressing and trans-gender, BTW.
 
What isn't offensive to at least one person these days? Personally the whole cross-dressing thing is just plain bull**** if you ask me. It shouldn't be considered a real condition. It's a choice just like any other time someone dresses up as something they are not. We shouldn't cater to them more than any other oddball group who thinks their outlandish claim is valid. Personally, I know two cross-dressers and both of them are nice guys. I don't hold it against them but I still think it is a choice, not anything more.

There is a huge difference between crossdressing and transgender. The health concerns are very very important with it too. Talk to the families who had a kid commit suicide because he or she felt they were trapped in the wrong body with no escape. It goes WAY past making a personal decision to do it. It ranges in levels, but think of it as feeling the way you are now, but being stuck with all the social and physical constraints and expectations of the opposite sex. It warrants as much care as and observation as many other conditions. (I am trying hard to not compare this to negative things) The "bull****" line of thought seems to be matched up with anything involving psychiatry and the brain. If you can't see it then it must not be a real issue or concern. I encounter the same line of thought with my depression and chronic headaches. "What? You have headaches every day? I don't believe you...just don't get them..I've never had headaches my entire life"...well, that is you, it is not like I dream of having a headache for 5 or 6 hours a day every day of my life and then have a sudden migraine aura and be completely incapacitated for the night...but it happens, whether others believe it or not. I've talked to many many many transgender people, the vast majority do not make the conscious decision to be such a way...it involves a lot of turmoil in their lives. In fact, a large chunk of male to females actually try overcompensating and doing things that'd be considered excessively manly or testosterone driven. They become army rangers, go sky diving, race cars/motorcycles, participate in fighting sports, etc.

Now somewhat on topic, You'd probably be best off in larger cities that have a true lgbt population. While I can't remember her name, one of the top surgeons for those operations used to be a male. She has an interesting story too...I believe it was on discovery or tlc or something a few years back.
 
thanks, everyone for their responses.

it's nice to know that others out there are aware of the disparity in care for transgender and LGBQ individuals. i really think there needs to be a change, and it will be our generation that does it.

anyway, i'm currently in a super-small town, but moving soon. So hopefully I might be able to get involved in a GLBTQ clinic after that.
 
i'm just curious....i've been very close to a few transguys and have experienced the unique issues related to their health - it is one of my motivating factors for pursuing a career as a doctor.

is anyone else out there interested in pursuing a career in healthcare for the Trans community?

does anybody know of any Trans physicians and whether or not they transitioned before, after, or during med school?

anybody know of good ways to get involved in Trans health scene?

This may seem silly but several months ago, Discovery Health did a fantastic special on the transgender community and the a handful of doctors that had transitioned before and after medical school and performed sex reassignment surgeries. I am sure you could find information on the hospitals and docs were involved on the website. But it was an amazing program and I thought the stories told on the special were incredibly powerful. I do remember though the hospitals where these were done were either in Montreal and Quebec or out West.

EDIT: I just found the program on the website: it's called Sex Change: Him To Her just in case you were interested.
 
Talk to the families who had a kid commit suicide because he or she felt they were trapped in the wrong body with no escape.
Yeah, but then again a delusion is a delusion. I worked the suicide death of a mental patient who thought his neighbor was using his fillings to beam navigation signals to aliens. Just because thinking you are the sex you are not is more palatable should not make it anything but a recognized mental illness.



If you can't see it then it must not be a real issue or concern. I encounter the same line of thought with my depression and chronic headaches.

I do believe it's a real issue, and is in fact a mental illness.


However, there is no point in arguing that further and I'm too tired to do so after having worked through the night and all day on a project.
 
I am not into doing like reassignment surgery, but I have thought about this topic a lot! One of my LOR was from a trans person who was accepted to medical school but went on to get a PhD instead. It is a very interesting topic and should really be considered when talking to patients as they may give different answers based on their sexual/gender/whatever identification.

PS, to the person who said something about doctors possibly hiding that they are trans - the trans people that I have known have never tried to hide it and have had professional careers where they are "out." Not to say it doesn't happen, this is just from my experience.
 
Having watched this thread and others unfold, I feel inclined to respond strongly. One of the most disappointing aspects of SDN is watching posters disparage the trans community or brush off its needs. Even worse, these vicious transphobes do not receive the censure commensurate with attacking any other group - they are allowed to malinger, continuining their uncalled for attacks with only a brave few souls providing halfhearted reprimand.

Well, let me first of all say no one chooses to be trans. Copious evidence demonstrates this to be the case. A study published by nature shows MtF persons have a female range BSTc. Various documentaries have shown the existence of children who wish to be the opposite gender from as young an age as two. Almost uniformly, trans people self-report their gender identities are not chosen. I am almost sure that future studies will show transsexual people experience at least partial feminization of the brain in-utero.

Second of all, it should not matter whether one "chooses" to be trans or not. I am looking forward to providing quality health care to all my patients. I have no plans to label, castigate, or exclude anyone from my practice, especially not on the basis of their gender identity. Rather than ridiculing the trans population, we should appreciate the fact that they, and minority youth in particular, suffer disproportionately from health disparities, likely more so than any group in America. This burden extends to lack of health insurance, HIV prevalence, drug addiction, lack of appropriate medical services, and on and on.

Most importantly, the burdens trans people face do not stem from within, but are imposed by an intolerant society that makes discrimination and harassment a way of life for this group. Many transsexual persons, such as Lynn Conway, who pioneered microchip technology, have already demonstrated a capacity to serve society. They can be doctors, lawyers, scientists, pilots, and any other sort of professional just like the aspiring health workers on SDN. There is no more reason to exclude a trans person from these opportunities than anyone else. If you don't think this sort of exclusion is routine, think again. As a trans person, finding a good job is doubly difficult. The same goes for safe housing or a high school where you won't be teased. Succeeding in college becomes doubly hard when you lose the financial support of your family and your parents' connections. Given the expense associated with transitioning, and the fact that so many can only find help through illigitimate channels, it is not surprising that many trans persons live in destitution today.

I am sick of reading slurs of the trans community on SDN. I am sick of being called trannies. I am sick of hearing that we "choose" to be this way. I am sick of hearing that we are just interested in playing dress up. We need doctors who can work competently with this population more than ever, and I am saddened to see these out-dated, offensive notions continually spread on SDN.

The next generation of doctors will finally start to make real change. Who's with me?
 
i would agree that LGBT are probably the victims of more prejudice than any other segment of the population. i've run into a lot of people that view LGBT people with disdain and disgust and to see my friends being treated in that fashion hurts me almost as much as I'm sure it hurts them.

i think we can all agree that no one would choose to be an outcast or a member of a group so discriminated against. i really hope that my future colleagues will treat everyone with the respect and dignity that they deserve regardless of color, sexual orientation, class, etc.
 
does anybody know of any Trans physicians and whether or not they transitioned before, after, or during med school?

While I can't remember her name, one of the top surgeons for those operations used to be a male. She has an interesting story too...I believe it was on discovery or tlc or something a few years back.

Yes - Marcie Bowers is one of the top surgeons for gender reassignment, and is transgender herself. She used to be a top-notch ob/gyn, back when she was a male. I don't think she's based in a very big city though - she is based in some small town in Colorado.

anybody know of good ways to get involved in Trans health scene?

It depends on where you end up going to med school.

I'm not sure about philly, but i believe that the Mazzoni center (for all LGBT patients) is so widely visited that there wouldnt be a big market for one.

Dr. Rob Winn from the Mazzoni Center is on faculty at Jefferson. He's been written up by many reporters, and is well known for being very trans-friendly. One of the things that he did was re-vamp the paperwork to make it more "trans-gender friendly."

During the first year at Jefferson, Dr. Winn gives a lecture on how to take care of transgender patients. He's also willing to let med students come to Mazzoni to shadow, and third year/fourth year students can rotate through Mazzoni as well. I shadowed at Mazzoni a couple of times during first year. I think the most exotic thing I saw was a transgendered patient who had the flu 🙄 but you might see something more interesting if you come to shadow him. 🙂
 
I am sick of reading slurs of the trans community on SDN. I am sick of being called trannies. I am sick of hearing that we "choose" to be this way. I am sick of hearing that we are just interested in playing dress up. We need doctors who can work competently with this population more than ever, and I am saddened to see these out-dated, offensive notions continually spread on SDN.

The next generation of doctors will finally start to make real change. Who's with me?

I'm so glad to hear someone say this! Perhaps it's because people feel more anonymous on a message board, but it also seriously disturbs me to hear people-future doctors-say things like that. I'm not so idealistic to believe that everyone will put aside their fear and prejudices, but I hope we are moving towards it in the future.

I can honestly say I have never knowingly interacted with a tranny in my entire life.

The only thing I have to ask is, does it matter to you if you unknowingly interacted with one of them?
 
Having watched this thread and others unfold, I feel inclined to respond strongly. One of the most disappointing aspects of SDN is watching posters disparage the trans community or brush off its needs. Even worse, these vicious transphobes do not receive the censure commensurate with attacking any other group - they are allowed to malinger, continuining their uncalled for attacks with only a brave few souls providing halfhearted reprimand.

Well, let me first of all say no one chooses to be trans. Copious evidence demonstrates this to be the case. A study published by nature shows MtF persons have a female range BSTc. Various documentaries have shown the existence of children who wish to be the opposite gender from as young an age as two. Almost uniformly, trans people self-report their gender identities are not chosen. I am almost sure that future studies will show transsexual people experience at least partial feminization of the brain in-utero.

Second of all, it should not matter whether one "chooses" to be trans or not. I am looking forward to providing quality health care to all my patients. I have no plans to label, castigate, or exclude anyone from my practice, especially not on the basis of their gender identity. Rather than ridiculing the trans population, we should appreciate the fact that they, and minority youth in particular, suffer disproportionately from health disparities, likely more so than any group in America. This burden extends to lack of health insurance, HIV prevalence, drug addiction, lack of appropriate medical services, and on and on.

Most importantly, the burdens trans people face do not stem from within, but are imposed by an intolerant society that makes discrimination and harassment a way of life for this group. Many transsexual persons, such as Lynn Conway, who pioneered microchip technology, have already demonstrated a capacity to serve society. They can be doctors, lawyers, scientists, pilots, and any other sort of professional just like the aspiring health workers on SDN. There is no more reason to exclude a trans person from these opportunities than anyone else. If you don't think this sort of exclusion is routine, think again. As a trans person, finding a good job is doubly difficult. The same goes for safe housing or a high school where you won't be teased. Succeeding in college becomes doubly hard when you lose the financial support of your family and your parents' connections. Given the expense associated with transitioning, and the fact that so many can only find help through illigitimate channels, it is not surprising that many trans persons live in destitution today.

I am sick of reading slurs of the trans community on SDN. I am sick of being called trannies. I am sick of hearing that we "choose" to be this way. I am sick of hearing that we are just interested in playing dress up. We need doctors who can work competently with this population more than ever, and I am saddened to see these out-dated, offensive notions continually spread on SDN.

The next generation of doctors will finally start to make real change. Who's with me?

I'm with you. I really feel that it is time for making changes, and our generation is going to be the ones to make it.

And as far as intolerance, you would think if you could find a group of people anywhere that were accepting and compassionate towards all people that it would be a group of future doctors. sometimes i'm not so sure about it when i read posts on SDN.
 
Every person deserves respect. As future physicians, it will be our job to heal, not judge.
 
i'm just curious....i've been very close to a few transguys and have experienced the unique issues related to their health - it is one of my motivating factors for pursuing a career as a doctor.

is anyone else out there interested in pursuing a career in healthcare for the Trans community?

does anybody know of any Trans physicians and whether or not they transitioned before, after, or during med school?

anybody know of good ways to get involved in Trans health scene?
just to soothe my ignorance, what are the unique health issues?

do you just mean the surgeries you wish to have?
 
just to soothe my ignorance, what are the unique health issues?

do you just mean the surgeries you wish to have?

even the simplest visit can be scary for a transperson. i had a very bad experience with discrimination by a nurse who was taking care of me and it has left me scared to go to a doctor even for a check-up who i don't know is trans-friendly. many other transpeople also prefer to go to a doctor who is knowledgable about trans issues.

surgery is a concern, obviously, but the more day to day stuff would be hormones. not all, but many transpeople choose to take hormones (generally testosterone for ftms and estrogen and testosterone blockers for mtfs) and thus need a doctor to oversee those and run blood tests regularly.

many transpeople also need regular check-ups for the nether regions, whether pre-op or post op. naturally this can be a tough experience for some and they will benefit from a doctor who understands the added difficulty that comes with this type of examination and can help ease their anxiety. if they are post-op there may be physical issues that are specific to them.

hope that helps a little.
 
i'm just curious....i've been very close to a few transguys and have experienced the unique issues related to their health - it is one of my motivating factors for pursuing a career as a doctor.

is anyone else out there interested in pursuing a career in healthcare for the Trans community?

does anybody know of any Trans physicians and whether or not they transitioned before, after, or during med school?

anybody know of good ways to get involved in Trans health scene?

Funnily enough, I am interested in pursuing a career in healthcare for the Trans community and in sexual reassignment surgery and care.

Cool, huh?
 
Just out of curiosity, how much does it cost for sex reassignment? Who pays? Insurance, out of pocket, state/fed government?
 
Isn't medicine is all about discrimination. There are many potential causes for a symptom and you'll have to discriminate based on the patient's genetics and lifestyle. If you treat everyone the same, you'll fail as a physician.
 
Just out of curiosity, how much does it cost for sex reassignment? Who pays? Insurance, out of pocket, state/fed government?
I'd bet it's pretty much all out of pocket and EXTREMELY expensive. I dunno if insurance recognizes gender reassignment surgery as necessary or a medical issue.
 
Isn't medicine is all about discrimination. There are many potential causes for a symptom and you'll have to discriminate based on the patient's genetics and lifestyle. If you treat everyone the same, you'll fail as a physician.

Cost of surgery in the U.S. ranges from about 15,000 to 23,000. SRS can be obtained in Canada, Europe, and Asia as well. In Thailand, surgery is much less expensive. Basically, almost all trans people pay out of pocket for these costs; only a few progressive cities like San Francisco mandate insurance for the gender-transitioning. Also, there are other prodigious costs, such as for laser hair removal, facial feminization surgery, hormone therapy, etc. Of course, almost all of this is paid oop.

Also, I would like to direct your attention to a brief summary written to explain the needs of trans men and women. There is much more than surgery at stake here! Trans people are at risk for not getting basic services and preventative care because of provider hostility, refusal to recognize their gender identity as valid, segregation into rooms/facilities for the wrong gender, etc. There is also the problem associated with accessing care if you have a male-typical problem (such as prostate cancer) and are presenting as female, or a female-typical problem (such as ovarian cancer) and are presenting as male. Many doctors would flatly refuse to treat such a person, as shown in the documentary Southern Comfort.
There are other needs too. Hormone replacement therapy (HRT) should also be provided without undue burdens on the patient. Needle-exchange sites should offer hormone needles, which are larger than IV needles. Insurance companies and Medicaid should stop refusing to pay for gender care.

http://nctequality.org/healthpriorities.pdf Read this paper please. I have conducted similar research but this gives a very coherent summary.

Also, ghostfoot, you really need to rethink the way you treat people. Just because some patients are more challenging, in your estimation, they should not receive marginalized care. In fact, trans people are only "challenging" because the care they get is horrible in the first place! Millions of dollars are spent trying to care a few rare diseases that affect an unlucky few, which is fine, but a relatively small amount of money could be spent to give millions of people dramatically improved lives. Again, I can already sense people are receptive to this information if they just had it. I am looking forward to catalyzing change in medical school and as a doctor. I am planning to start an organization that will focus on trans care and hopefully we will become effective on a national level.
 
I'd bet it's pretty much all out of pocket and EXTREMELY expensive. I dunno if insurance recognizes gender reassignment surgery as necessary or a medical issue.

The official line towed for rejecting coverage of gender care is that it is experimental. This is at least Medicaid's 'logic', though individual insurance companies might provide different rhetoric. This decision was made by two pharmacologists at the FDA in the 1970s. Some 12 surgeons provide SRS in this country every week, with dozens more around the world. This is a time-tested, effective procedure that has improved the lives of million. It is ludicrous that the government continues to call it "experimental."
 
What isn't offensive to at least one person these days? Personally the whole cross-dressing thing is just plain bull**** if you ask me. It shouldn't be considered a real condition. It's a choice just like any other time someone dresses up as something they are not. We shouldn't cater to them more than any other oddball group who thinks their outlandish claim is valid. Personally, I know two cross-dressers and both of them are nice guys. I don't hold it against them but I still think it is a choice, not anything more.

The brain is definitely still an organ about which we still know very little. I don't think you are in a position to suggest as an absolute what is a consequence of personal choice versus a consequence of psychological condition. Obviously, what you state is an opinion but you give it as if you truly and completely compehend the biopsychosocial intricacies of the topic at hand.

I remember watching a 60 minutes episode where a segment focused on children, who from very young age identify with the opposite gender and express themselves accordingly through the various social norms for that particular gender. When a child (which we identify as a being who has not fully grasped the ramifications of social identity and is not entirely susceptible to social pressures) engages in such behavior we have to take a step back and question whether our initial conclusion regarding making a transition from MTF or vice versa is ultimately a choice.

Oh and one more thing....cross-dressing is completely different...but I assumed you were refering to being trans-gender
 
Yes! The way that trans patients and even gay patients had been treated by many health care professionals appaled me and was a significant factor in my deciding to become a physician. I wrote about this in some of my secondary essays, especially brown's, as brown was the first school to include gender identity in their non-discrimination clause. There is pretty much no literature out there regarding health care discrimination and i am really interested in doing a medical anthropology-type study of this...if i choose to go to stony brook this will be my research as their anthro dept. is really strong.
The best way to get involved now is by volunteering at an LGBT or even specificall trans health center. Some cities have centers specifically for transgendered patients, but in other cities where the population is too small it is linked wtih the larger LGBT clinics. I know there is a trans center in NYC. I'm not sure about philly, but i believe that the Mazzoni center (for all LGBT patients) is so widely visited that there wouldnt be a big market for one.

I have several participants in my research who are transgender and do indeed seek specific services at places like the Mazzoni Center, COMHAR, Jonathan Lax, Action AIDS, etc...
 
just to soothe my ignorance, what are the unique health issues?

do you just mean the surgeries you wish to have?

Another situation might be -
You are trying to figure out if the patient has had penis to vagina intercourse, perhaps, in order to assess symptoms. If you say "Have you had sex with a man" the person might answer no, even if their partner has a penis. Many times being trans, obviously, isn't so cut and dry. People can feel like a man, a woman, or somewhere in between. If someone who identifies as male, has a vagina, but is dating someone who identifies as female who has a penis and they have sexual intercourse, they may not view that as having sex with a male.

I guess that's not a unique "health issue," but in certain situations it's important to consider when trying to diagnose. It will also help you in communicating with a patient if you understand these kinds of things.
 
I have several participants in my research who are transgender and do indeed seek specific services at places like the Mazzoni Center, COMHAR, Jonathan Lax, Action AIDS, etc...
i go to the Mazzoni Center!! hehe but i have also shadowed there and met quite a few trans patients.
 
The official line towed for rejecting coverage of gender care is that it is experimental. This is at least Medicaid's 'logic', though individual insurance companies might provide different rhetoric. This decision was made by two pharmacologists at the FDA in the 1970s. Some 12 surgeons provide SRS in this country every week, with dozens more around the world. This is a time-tested, effective procedure that has improved the lives of million. It is ludicrous that the government continues to call it "experimental."

I dunno about that. Perhaps counseling would be a better alternative than sex re-assignment, certainly less expensive and cost efficient. I can't really justify that this procedure be covered by insurance...you know, with little kids dying of cancer and all. But that's just my opinion.
 
I dunno about that. Perhaps counseling would be a better alternative than sex re-assignment, certainly less expensive and cost efficient. I can't really justify that this procedure be covered by insurance...you know, with little kids dying of cancer and all. But that's just my opinion.

Really? I am disappointed to hear such thoughts but I suppose you are not alone in thinking this way. As an adament supporter of funding for SRS, I am eager to reply.

Let me address each of the major reasons given for not covering these procedures in turn.

SRS is expensive: SRS is expensive, but not more so than other surgeries in the US. The cost of surgery for transwomen is approximately 15-20 K, and usually much higher for transmen. SRS saves money for the state in the long term by allowing workers to become more productive and citizens who could not otherwise work to find stable jobs for the first time. In fact, utilization rates of SRS are low, but for those who seek the procedure, they can get life-changing care for the first time. What exactly is the cost? San Francisco is the only municipality currently funding SRS for its employees. To pay for the new program, they charged everyone insured by the city an extra $1.70 per month. Over four years, $183,000 dollars were paid out and the city took in an extra 5.6 million dollars; the surcharge was soon dropped as unnecessary. Alternatively, not providing surgery also leads to social costs, such as caring for things like depression, drug abuse, and providing welfare over long periods of time. Counseling itself is expensive. Preop women require larger and more expensive hormone doses.

SRS is experimental: Actually, this is blatantly false. SRS has been performed for over seventy years! In contrast, drug eluding stents were approved in America for use very quickly and before other countries such as the UK did so; clearly, an unfair standard has been applied here. SRS has been performed hundreds of thousands of times around the world by dozens of surgeons since the 1950s, and the first surgeries were done in the early 30s. SRS is consistently found to be extremely beneficial for patients. For many, SRS has been the only effective means of treating their transsexualism. The entire notion that SRS is experimental probably stemmed from two pharmacologists working for Medicaid who arbitrarily made that claim as a basis for excluding coverage.

SRS is too risky: Ironically, SRS is one of the most successful procedures in the world in terms of patient satisfacation. Patients express satisfaction rates as high as 98% after surgery. One study measured patient satisfaction using a 1-10 Likert scale and 86% of respondants gave a score of 8 or higher. I don't have the data on hand, but I suspect these figures are much higher than for other more common procedures, such as joint replacement. I can say that in a 1998 paper from Clinical Orthopaedics, only 61% of patients undergoing hip revision were satisfied. I don't see many people railing against funding for hip revision work. I for one would rather have my gender surgery than hip revision were I in the position to choose. Complications for SRS are also rare. In one study I recently reviewed, approximately 95% of patients had one or fewer complications, again a much lower rate than most other procedures. Incidentally, hip replacement cost an average of $51,290 -$34,328 per person, depending on the complexity of the procedure, in one 1999 study from the same journal, and is also considered elective.

SRS is cosmetic: SRS produces major improvements in the lives of patients. In another study, before and after surgery, gender dysphoria, body dissatisfaction, negativism, shyness, neroticism, depression, and feelings of inadequacy all declined at a p value of <.001. Anecodatally, many persons I know report they could not live their lives without this procedure. Gender dysphoria itself is a real condition that does not go away, a fact substantiated by brain studies and observational studies of young children. The only way to prevent many such individuals from killing themselves or leading lives of severe depression is by undergoing this procedure.

SRS has better alternatives: First of all, without surgery, it is impossible to obtain recognition as the real gender. Surgery itself may not be sufficient, but is necessary at a minimum according to all court cases I have reviewed. Therefore, it is the only way to be recognized a real female (or male), which may be necessary for employment, marriage, and so forth. Beyond this practical need, surgery itself is the only way to treat dysphoria in many patients. Counseling does not work. The necessity of counseling itself stems from a desire to deny surgery; the gatekeepers must be appeased before care can be given. I think it is worthwhile to make sure those requesting surgery are not crazy or delusional, but beyond this, some sort of long, drawn out therapy program is not necessary. It just represents another large financial burden. HRT is also necessary but often not sufficient.

My view: Denying coverage for SRS is pure politics. Gender dysphoria is as serious a concern for some patients as a broken bone and should be treated. SRS is the only way such persons can contribute effectively to society and flourish as productive citizens. Therapy is not a sufficient alternative. Just like you can't make gays straight, you can't make transsexuals non-transsexuals. Moreover, as a future doctor, it is not your job to arbitrarily deny surgery based on cost. In other words, if a person were in the ER and there was a 1% chance of saving her life at a 100 million dollar cost, you should still try to save her life. You should be focused on improving lives or saving lives instead of deciding which conditions deserve treatment and which do not.

The notion that providing coverage for these surgeries somehow hurts children with cancer is a gross distortion and red herring. SRS is not covered today in the vast majority of cases and our health care system is still the most expensive in the world. If you really have concerns over cost, which you should, I suggest you not scapegoat transsexuals and instead look at inflation, provision of unnecessary care, unhealthy lifestyle choices, and provision of end-of-life care.

For many of us, obtaining SRS on our own is an impossibility. Some of us are able to find well-paying, professional jobs, typically if we come from supportive backgrounds, are fortunate enough to pass well, or delay transition until reaching financial stability. In these cases, we could eventually pay for SRS. I say, how is it ethical to force us to wait until we are 30 and 40 when we have saved enough money? Should we effectively be robbed of half our lives, our most vital years, while saving this money?
Many of us cannot even answer this question, because we can never afford the procedure. Most trans people face severe economic discrimination and hardships that result in poverty and unstable housing. Many are predisposed to street lifestyles and drug addiction. Try getting a job when you look like a woman but your social security info gives a male name and shows the wrong gender. Again, this is not some internal flaw associated with being transsexual but a direct result of prejudice and discrimination in society. Therefore, there is literally no opportunity to save this much money.

Thus, surgery should be funded early (ideally pre-18 in qualified cases) and doctors should administer hormones so patients can live more readily in their real gender. Therapists should determine appropriateness of surgery; parental consent should be disregarded. At a minimum, androgen blockers should be given before puberty. Insurance providers, employers, and Medicaid should be committed to paying for at least some of this procedure. Many successful companies already do so, such as Kodak and IBM. Until these changes are implemented, gender should be a malleable category on our IDs, school, government, health, and financial records, if it is recorded at all.

Ultimately, society will gain a clear net benefit by recognizing these procedures as legitimate and necessary. This is also the only humane course of action undertaken with much success in other countries.

I am writing hurridly before class, so I apologize for any typos or anything I did not explain adequately. I would love to develop this response further and do some editing, but, alas, I must be going now...
Hope this helps!
 
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SRS has better alternatives: First of all, without surgery, it is impossible to obtain recognition as the real gender. Surgery itself may not be sufficient, but is necessary at a minimum according to all court cases I have reviewed. Therefore, it is the only way to be recognized a real female (or male), which may be necessary for employment, marriage, and so forth.

This isn't entirely true. You can be legally recognized as your correct gender without surgery (in california at least). You do have to have built a relationship with your health provider, but it can be done.

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Anyways, I work at a public health transgender clinic in San Francisco. We have some UCSF NP and MD students rotate through every so often. If you're interested, check out our gender reassignment protocols: http://www.sfdph.org/dph/comupg/oservices/medSvs/hlthCtrs/TransGendprotocols122006.pdf

OP, if you're interested in trans health, do your best to get into a large city. I'm assuming you're pre-med, thus your opporunity to get involved will have to revolve around working with pre-existing programs. Where are you right now? San Francisco is HUGELY lacking in trans resources, I shudder to think of the situation in other cities. I'm sure there are opportunites to improve the situation out there.

The interesting thing about trans health is that it isn't difficult nor complicated. Most primary care physicians and obgyns already know the requsite stuff and just need to expand their knowlege a little more to safely prescribe hormones (and guess what, physicians do that whenever they start prescribing a new drug!). In most cases it is an emotional response (intentional or not) keeping people from treating the trans community.
 
Yep, barring San Francisco. Can you tell I like San Francisco? Must be some connection here.😍

Lucky you, though. I really hope I will be joining you out there shortly.
 
well, hopefully i'll be STAYING out here in the not too distant future.

keep me updated
(though i'm sure all of SDN will hear about when you get into UCSF)
 
keep me updated
(though i'm sure all of SDN will hear about when you get into UCSF)


Um, if I get in I will feel overjoyed and extremely fortunate. However, I do intend to limit that news to the UCSF post-interview thread.
 
At my medical school (U of Southern CA), we receive training on how to professionally discuss LGBT issues with our patients, and how to let our patients know that we will provide appropriate and nonjudgmental care. It's built into our curriculum and reflects the recognition that health care providers are not in the profession of judging patients, but rather, providing care. (Now whether people actually get it or not is a different issue.) We've also had multiple events this year sponsored by student groups with administrative support relating to these topics. We have an ER doc who is MTF and very active in the community in raising awareness. 👍
 
I'm sorry, but this argument has always made me twitch. The exact same argument could be used to prove that obesity, chain smoking, and heroin addiction are genetic conditions that we have to be sensisitive to. As a doctor you are going to be dealing with lots and lots of groups that are discriminated against because of their behavior, and you will be required to give them advice based on the assumption that they are responsible for that behavior. You need a stronger argument that homosexulity/transexuality/whatever isn't just another self-imposed neurosis.

Not saying you can't, just saying that argument isn't nearly good enough.

Even people that suffer from self-imposed afflictions still deserve a modicum of respect from their physician, though i personally believe that sexuality is not chosen.
 
And I'm arguing that these 'constructs' might not be 'involuntarily imposed', that they might be as voluntary as chain-smoking or overeating.

i changed my post. see above. what difference does it make if someone is transgendered voluntarily or not? what is so inherently unhealthy that they need to be counseled to change their behavior?

physicians perform all kinds of elective procedures routinely. aside from the surgery, what risks are there according to you?
 
The exact same argument could be used to prove that obesity, chain smoking, and heroin addiction are genetic conditions that we have to be sensisitive to.

Umm.. they're not?
 
There is a huge difference between crossdressing and transgender. The health concerns are very very important with it too. Talk to the families who had a kid commit suicide because he or she felt they were trapped in the wrong body with no escape. It goes WAY past making a personal decision to do it. It ranges in levels, but think of it as feeling the way you are now, but being stuck with all the social and physical constraints and expectations of the opposite sex. It warrants as much care as and observation as many other conditions. (I am trying hard to not compare this to negative things) The "bull****" line of thought seems to be matched up with anything involving psychiatry and the brain. If you can't see it then it must not be a real issue or concern. I encounter the same line of thought with my depression and chronic headaches. "What? You have headaches every day? I don't believe you...just don't get them..I've never had headaches my entire life"...well, that is you, it is not like I dream of having a headache for 5 or 6 hours a day every day of my life and then have a sudden migraine aura and be completely incapacitated for the night...but it happens, whether others believe it or not. I've talked to many many many transgender people, the vast majority do not make the conscious decision to be such a way...it involves a lot of turmoil in their lives. In fact, a large chunk of male to females actually try overcompensating and doing things that'd be considered excessively manly or testosterone driven. They become army rangers, go sky diving, race cars/motorcycles, participate in fighting sports, etc.

Now somewhat on topic, You'd probably be best off in larger cities that have a true lgbt population. While I can't remember her name, one of the top surgeons for those operations used to be a male. She has an interesting story too...I believe it was on discovery or tlc or something a few years back.

That is so cliche it's not even funny (I just don't buy that hypothetical sob story). I wrote a paper on transgender in Psychology. If I can find it i'll post it up. Suicide is for the people that can't handle their own little problems. And those that claim to have tried to commit suicide are just begging for attention, "Look at me! I tried to kill myself! I think my problems are worse than everyone else! And since mommy and daddy didn't give me enough attention i'm just going to keep announcing about my # of times that i've "tried" to kill myself!"

Ugh, emos....
 
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