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I coach track and I have this girl who's dad is an anesthesiologist. This was a conversation we had today:

"So is you dad an MD or DO?"
"He's an anesthesiologist, so MD."
"Oh kewl, DO's can be anesthesiologist too tho."
"What's a DO?"
"The other medical degree."
"Oh, that's the bull**** one."

lol. Is this the type of response/attitude I should expect from people if I pursue the Osteopathy?
 
Funny if you found out her dad was really a DO like our Hero, M.D. lol
 
AcousticDoc said:
"Oh, that's the bull**** one."
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Did you tell her that the ***** one makes the same money as her real one?

🙂
 
Interesting.
 
AcousticDoc said:
lol. Is this the type of response/attitude I should expect from people if I pursue the Osteopathy?
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yes.
 
If the general public feels like this, how do family practictioners find clients? Surely parents would feel safer picking a John Doe MD vs John Doe DO for their family doc.
 
AcousticDoc said:
If the general public feels like this, how do family practictioners find clients? Surely parents would feel safer picking a John Doe MD vs John Doe DO for their family doc.
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Because receptionists dont say, "So, that appointment is to see Dr X, DO. You know he's a DO, right?..." :laugh:
 
AcousticDoc said:
I coach track and I have this girl who's dad is an anesthesiologist. This was a conversation we had today:

"So is you dad an MD or DO?"
"He's an anesthesiologist, so MD."
"Oh kewl, DO's can be anesthesiologist too tho."
"What's a DO?"
"The other medical degree."
"Oh, that's the bull**** one."

lol. Is this the type of response/attitude I should expect from people if I pursue the Osteopathy?
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How old is this girl?
 
medhacker said:
Did you tell her that the ***** one makes the same money as her real one?

🙂
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i have no opinion on the whole md vs do thing, and medhacker this is not a personal attack on your post. that being said, i see this response all the time with respect to the whole md vs do thing and i hate it. i hate it because it equates money with respect. is that retort supposed to change somebody's opinion of do's? "oh, they make the same as md's......i now throw out all of previous misconceptions about do's and consider it a legitimate degree". i think it just makes do's look vain and ultimatley hurts their cause.
 
Ghost said:
i have no opinion on the whole md vs do thing, and medhacker this is not a personal attack on your post. that being said, i see this response all the time with respect to the whole md vs do thing and i hate it. i hate it because it equates money with respect. is that retort supposed to change somebody's opinion of do's? "oh, they make the same as md's......i now throw out all of previous misconceptions about do's and consider it a legitimate degree". i think it just makes do's look vain and ultimatley hurts their cause.
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Thanks

I won't take it as a personal attack

now to comment on what you said, One can't really control how everyone is going to respond to what one says. What may seem pretty benign and well-intentioned could very well be taken as offensive by the right person at the wrong time (you know, human emotional states and what not...). So I am not sure everyone would think mentioning the salary equator is vain. I think it would serve to make those who ignore our profession "wonder" how come?

How come DOs are earning as much as MDs? if all I have come to believe about DOs is true why do they earn the same?

while it will not knock down all preconceived notions it may serve to spike interest and research, at least curiosity as to the reality of osteopathic medicine...my 20 pesos 🙂
 
AcousticDoc said:
If the general public feels like this, how do family practictioners find clients?
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Most of them know the doc by the referral from friends or family members. I asked this question to the MD that I shadow, and he told me "finding a doctor is not like shopping, if you're good, don't worry about not having patients, even when you're DO."

AcousticDoc said:
Surely parents would feel safer picking a John Doe MD vs John Doe DO for their family doc
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If they look at the list of doctors to pick, they may confuse D.O with O.D (optometrist). 🙂
 
medhacker said:
Thanks

I won't take it as a personal attack

now to comment on what you said, One can't really control how everyone is going to respond to what one says. What may seem pretty benign and well-intentioned could very well be taken as offensive by the right person at the wrong time (you know, human emotional states and what not...). So I am not sure everyone would think mentioning the salary equator is vain. I think it would serve to make those who ignore our profession "wonder" how come?

How come DOs are earning as much as MDs? if all I have come to believe about DOs is true why do they earn the same?

while it will not knock down all preconceived notions it may serve to spike interest and research, at least curiosity as to the reality of osteopathic medicine...my 20 pesos 🙂
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cool.....we'll leave it at that. i don't want to be responsible for another runaway md vs do thread (no matter how much fun they are to read :meanie: )
 
AcousticDoc said:
She's an 18 year old senior in highschool.
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Well, there you go! Her opinion doesn't even count.
 
One day I saw a monkey and you know what the monkey told me...
 
NewNick said:
If they look at the list of doctors to pick, they may confuse D.O with O.D (optometrist). 🙂
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Man a O.D. saved my eye last month. He discovered a retinal tear. WOW, definitely they are great.
 
AcousticDoc said:
She's an 18 year old senior in highschool.
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You will find some people saying this. I would venture to say the minority. Ignore it.
 
She's 18.

When I was 18 I knew what DOs were however I didn't know enough so I made fun of them at that age as well. We fear/mock that which we do not fully understand.
 
I know all of you guys are pre-meds, but trust me on one thing: all of this MD/DO crap and the opinions of 18 yr old high school girls will be so utterly and completely irrevelant by the time you are at the end of your 2nd year and buried under tests and upcoming boards. You'll wish you had the time to worry about silly **** like this....

sigh....I miss those days...... 🙁 🙁
 
Isn't it time we stopped posting these types of threads? What is the point? We know there is a ton of ignorance out there surrounding the degree, especially in pre-ped aged people. Someone said something negative about a DO, and...
 
Sundarban1 said:
Isn't it time we stopped posting these types of threads? What is the point? We know there is a ton of ignorance out there surrounding the degree, especially in pre-ped aged people. Someone said something negative about a DO, and...
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I agree.
 
Don't take it personally. Remember back to how stupid we all were at 18.
 
AcousticDoc said:
She's an 18 year old senior in highschool.
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Wow.. they let students curse to their teachers now? Public education really has gone down the ****ter, hasn't it?
 
AcousticDoc said:
I coach track and I have this girl who's dad is an anesthesiologist. This was a conversation we had today:

"So is you dad an MD or DO?"
"He's an anesthesiologist, so MD."
"Oh kewl, DO's can be anesthesiologist too tho."
"What's a DO?"
"The other medical degree."
"Oh, that's the bull**** one."

lol. Is this the type of response/attitude I should expect from people if I pursue the Osteopathy?
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I wouldn't worry too much about it. I don't think most people feel that way.
 
DeLaughterDO said:
Wow.. they let students curse to their teachers now? Public education really has gone down the ****ter, hasn't it?
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I encourage them to be themselves.
 
Raven Feather said:
Well, there you go! Her opinion doesn't even count.
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Wrong- her opinion represents what may be the perception of many people her age, and in a few years people her age will be our age. What is to say her opinion will have changed? Her opinion is important because she is the future. Plus, she is at an age where education and change is a major part of her life, she is likely more open-minded during this time in her life as she goes through that part of everyone's life that is filled with the most change, growth, and development surrounded by a newfound/given independence- college. Education is they key for DOs to receive full acknowledgement by the public, and other professions as well, ie the entire health profession over the entire country. The way to do this is simply exposure and education.

On career day at your daughter's junior high or high school, you go there and speak about cardiology, your chosen speciality. You tell them all about the cases you see, etc., etc., and then add in that your a DO, a brief discript of what makes you unique, and you have now educated a small group of future health care workers- nurses, dentists, assistants, DCs, MDs, and maybe now, a few DOs.

To influence/affect the future you must educate the young.

peace
 
davematthews said:
Wrong- her opinion represents what may be the perception of many people her age, and in a few years people her age will be our age. What is to say her opinion will have changed? Her opinion is important because she is the future. Plus, she is at an age where education and change is a major part of her life, she is likely more open-minded during this time in her life as she goes through that part of everyone's life that is filled with the most change, growth, and development surrounded by a newfound/given independence- college. Education is they key for DOs to receive full acknowledgement by the public, and other professions as well, ie the entire health profession over the entire country. The way to do this is simply exposure and education.

On career day at your daughter's junior high or high school, you go there and speak about cardiology, your chosen speciality. You tell them all about the cases you see, etc., etc., and then add in that your a DO, a brief discript of what makes you unique, and you have now educated a small group of future health care workers- nurses, dentists, assistants, DCs, MDs, and maybe now, a few DOs.

To influence/affect the future you must educate the young.

peace
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That is my point. At this point in her life, she obviously has very limited experience and possibly some biased opinions that are unprofound because of her father. It will not be until she gains more experience out in the world--some first hand knowledge before her opinion may count. I never said she should not be educated.
 
Raven Feather said:
...It will not be until she gains more experience out in the world-- before her opinion may count.
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I am not sure what you mean by her opinion not counting. She is 18, when I was 18, which actually put me at freshman year of college, I think I had a lot to say and my opinion was important. The oponion of young people should not be dismissed. When people think back to when they were younger they remember adults always dismissing what they say and adults thinking youth dont have a clue what is really going on, etc. But we were all young and know that is BS. I dont think her age necessarily has much to do with the exposure . There are many people who havenot hear of DOs, even those being treated by one that have little clue there is no MD behind there docs name. I am saying I think it is important to focus also on the younger population because a change can occur at a young age and can be carried for a lifetime- that can have quite an affect.
If I educate a group of elderly living in a retirement home, is that going to help me get out the word as well as educating a group of teenagers.
DO you see what I mean?
 
davematthews said:
I am not sure what you mean by her opinion not counting. She is 18, when I was 18, which actually put me at freshman year of college, I think I had a lot to say and my opinion was important. The oponion of young people should not be dismissed. When people think back to when they were younger they remember adults always dismissing what they say and adults thinking youth dont have a clue what is really going on, etc. But we were all young and know that is BS. I dont think her age necessarily has much to do with the exposure . There are many people who havenot hear of DOs, even those being treated by one that have little clue there is no MD behind there docs name. I am saying I think it is important to focus also on the younger population because a change can occur at a young age and can be carried for a lifetime- that can have quite an affect.
If I educate a group of elderly living in a retirement home, is that going to help me get out the word as well as educating a group of teenagers.
DO you see what I mean?
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Yes, I do see what you mean. But you can tell by the 18-yr-old's statement she hasn't had much experience and it is actually, quite typical. I thought my opinion was important at that age too, in retrospect, I was clueless. Sure we should educate the youth as I feel this particular 18yr needs to be educated and gain more knowledge and experience before she makes such unprofound statements.
 
HooahDOc said:
Which is why your students will never have respect for anyone, including DOs.
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Easy there man, there's no reason for attacking him here. Just because a student uses a curse word in front of their coach has nothing to do with how they are going to respect people.
 
ARE YOU GUYS STILL GOING AT IT HERE.

MAN you don't need babysiting do you?

I really wish the people visiting the DO forums will act responsible and stop adding feul to these kind of posts.
 
Sundarban1 said:
Isn't it time we stopped posting these types of threads? What is the point? We know there is a ton of ignorance out there surrounding the degree, especially in pre-ped aged people. Someone said something negative about a DO, and...
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I agree.. stop posting them and if someone does stop answering them.

I mean come on... you konw all the useless things I said when I was a 19 yr old. Actually even in my 20s... and now.

People should stop crying over everything and just grow up.
 
Sundarban1 said:
Isn't it time we stopped posting these types of threads? What is the point? We know there is a ton of ignorance out there surrounding the degree, especially in pre-ped aged people. Someone said something negative about a DO, and...
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I agree 👍

you guys are preaching to the choir....focus your time in your books or women
 
BigRock said:
I agree 👍

you guys are preaching to the choir....focus your time in your books or women
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Why not both?!! Women on books....
 
Sometimes when people say something that makes me so upset, I can feel my blood pressure and heart beats rise. It's scary almost and for the longest time I never knew how to conquer it. I never knew what to do about it.

In time, I came to the conclusion that if you know for certain that someone makes bad comments about you behind your back - you turn around and make good comments about him or her behind their backs.

Someone once said, "I destroy my enemies when I become friends with them"
and to be honest considering a lot of the difficulties we all face in life, we could all use a few more friends.
 
She must be a sprinter :laugh:
 
AcousticDoc said:
I coach track and I have this girl who's dad is an anesthesiologist. This was a conversation we had today:

"So is you dad an MD or DO?"
"He's an anesthesiologist, so MD."
"Oh kewl, DO's can be anesthesiologist too tho."
"What's a DO?"
"The other medical degree."
"Oh, that's the bull**** one."

lol. Is this the type of response/attitude I should expect from people if I pursue the Osteopathy?
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I talked to this one freshman pre-med, and she said she wanted to be an anesthesiologist as well. I asked her if she was going to be applying to MD and DO schools when she finished undergrad, and she said.

[Her]What?
[Her]Uhhhhh.....What's a DO?
[Her]That's not an anesthesiologist!
[Her]An anesthesiologist has an MD!
[Me]I replied, they're the same thing; very similar to the way that some dentist have a DDS and some have a DMD. Maybe you should actually research the field of medicine before you decide to go into it.
[Her]Noooo. I want the MD.
[Me]So you want it so you can have "prestige", or do you want it so you can provide a much needed service to the public? I say this because a DO and an MD can do exactly the same thing and are seen as equals when it comes to medical rights and licensure. If you want to be a doctor for the right reasons, it shouldn’t matter what initials you have behind your last name.
[Her] I don't know
THE DEBATE ENDED THERE…

It's not like it matters though. The girl just failed a microbiology test and was forced to drop the class, and from what I understand, she's failing chemistry. It's funny how so many premeds want to be an MD because it sounds cool. However, I find that many freshmen fail to realize what it actually takes to get into medical school. It's easy to say, “I’ll rock the MCAT. I'll ace Organic Chemistry I and II. Physics, HA...NO problem for me! However, when the time comes when that person actually has to face those accusations he or she has made, it's a whole other story. Point being, don't worry about it. Some people's opinions aren't worth squat. Sometimes I get the feeling that uniformed people (by that I mean the people that think negatively of DOs) suddenly think that just because they believe a MD is above a DO, that they suddenly think that they are as well. I'm not saying that I believe life is a hierarchy of status. However, many people do feel that way, and the best thing you can do to retaliate is to be informed to the point that you will have no problem clarifying any confusion or ignorance the person you are educating has. If you base your argument on facts, and the other person bases their's only on an opinion, then you will never have to worry about someone making you feel as though your career path is less than your MD counterparts, because the facts say they they are pretty much the same except for OMM, which is rarely even used by any DO.
 
Sundarban1 said:
Isn't it time we stopped posting these types of threads? What is the point? We know there is a ton of ignorance out there surrounding the degree, especially in pre-ped aged people. Someone said something negative about a DO, and...
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Yea, threads like these are useless 👎
 
AcousticDoc said:
I coach track and I have this girl who's dad is an anesthesiologist. This was a conversation we had today:

"So is you dad an MD or DO?"
"He's an anesthesiologist, so MD."
"Oh kewl, DO's can be anesthesiologist too tho."
"What's a DO?"
"The other medical degree."
"Oh, that's the bull**** one."

lol. Is this the type of response/attitude I should expect from people if I pursue the Osteopathy?
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You kicked her off the team, right?
 
I heard a girl use the term "fake doctor" yesterday in reference to DOs. How can someone be a fake doctor?? Either you are a doctor or you arent.
 
NRAI2001 said:
I heard a girl use the term "fake doctor" yesterday in reference to DOs. How can someone be a fake doctor?? Either you are a doctor or you arent.
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Maybe she was referring to her plastic surgeon.
 
NRAI2001 said:
I heard a girl use the term "fake doctor" yesterday in reference to DOs. How can someone be a fake doctor?? Either you are a doctor or you arent.
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This cracks me up all day. Thanks for sharing. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 
AcousticDoc said:
If the general public feels like this, how do family practictioners find clients? Surely parents would feel safer picking a John Doe MD vs John Doe DO for their family doc.
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I think how you practice medicine is the determining factor. My grandfater (an MD) went to a DO for yeaaaaaaaars as his primary care physician because he liked the way he was treated better than the MD he was previously seeing.

If you make a practice and reputation of being a good doctor, no one is going to care about the letters after your name.
 
eram said:
I think how you practice medicine is the determining factor. My grandfater (an MD) went to a DO for yeaaaaaaaars as his primary care physician because he liked the way he was treated better than the MD he was previously seeing.

If you make a practice and reputation of being a good doctor, no one is going to care about the letters after your name.
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IMO, what makes this anecdote even more interesting is the timeframe involved. DOs have changed considerably in two generations. Dare I say that he was likely being treated by a DO at a time when the osteopathic profession was not as accepted by the general medical community?
 
what so funny about this is that many people actually know what a DO is, pretend they don't and say that it is a bull**** degree and that they want a MD, yet this mother****ers cannot even get a MD.


for the record i hate doctors, regardless of if they are MDs and DOs. It is just ironic i will become one of them (i hate every other profession more, so being a doc is the lesser evil).


ok, i need to go relax and lay off the sauce for awhile.
 
people dont know they think that an md is the only degree, its just because they dont do their homework. but dont worry wat people say i dont think they would know the difference if they are on the table.
AcousticDoc said:
I coach track and I have this girl who's dad is an anesthesiologist. This was a conversation we had today:

"So is you dad an MD or DO?"
"He's an anesthesiologist, so MD."
"Oh kewl, DO's can be anesthesiologist too tho."
"What's a DO?"
"The other medical degree."
"Oh, that's the bull**** one."

lol. Is this the type of response/attitude I should expect from people if I pursue the Osteopathy?
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i totally agree to wat said about the freshmen pre-meds i was one of them also but i knew i had to have good grades. i then i discovered that their is another option. then i changed my mind about the whole MD thing. their are so many MD's its ludacris. one day DO's will just as famous. but it doesnt really matter at the end of the day. because whether your a MD or a DO it still for a good cause.
clc8503 said:
I talked to this one freshman pre-med, and she said she wanted to be an anesthesiologist as well. I asked her if she was going to be applying to MD and DO schools when she finished undergrad, and she said.

[Her]What?
[Her]Uhhhhh.....What's a DO?
[Her]That's not an anesthesiologist!
[Her]An anesthesiologist has an MD!
[Me]I replied, they're the same thing; very similar to the way that some dentist have a DDS and some have a DMD. Maybe you should actually research the field of medicine before you decide to go into it.
[Her]Noooo. I want the MD.
[Me]So you want it so you can have "prestige", or do you want it so you can provide a much needed service to the public? I say this because a DO and an MD can do exactly the same thing and are seen as equals when it comes to medical rights and licensure. If you want to be a doctor for the right reasons, it shouldn’t matter what initials you have behind your last name.
[Her] I don't know
THE DEBATE ENDED THERE…

It's not like it matters though. The girl just failed a microbiology test and was forced to drop the class, and from what I understand, she's failing chemistry. It's funny how so many premeds want to be an MD because it sounds cool. However, I find that many freshmen fail to realize what it actually takes to get into medical school. It's easy to say, “I’ll rock the MCAT. I'll ace Organic Chemistry I and II. Physics, HA...NO problem for me! However, when the time comes when that person actually has to face those accusations he or she has made, it's a whole other story. Point being, don't worry about it. Some people's opinions aren't worth squat. Sometimes I get the feeling that uniformed people (by that I mean the people that think negatively of DOs) suddenly think that just because they believe a MD is above a DO, that they suddenly think that they are as well. I'm not saying that I believe life is a hierarchy of status. However, many people do feel that way, and the best thing you can do to retaliate is to be informed to the point that you will have no problem clarifying any confusion or ignorance the person you are educating has. If you base your argument on facts, and the other person bases their's only on an opinion, then you will never have to worry about someone making you feel as though your career path is less than your MD counterparts, because the facts say they they are pretty much the same except for OMM, which is rarely even used by any DO.
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