Please help with ranking

Infliximab · Feb 16, 2005

Please help me rank the following programs -
1. UAB
2. U Pitt
3. Baylor
4. Mayo

As my username suggests, I am hem-onc guy 🙂 . Location not a major concern.
Thanks a bunch. 👍

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CoolMD2BE · Feb 17, 2005

For the top fellowships:
1. Mayo - Best Fellowship matching I've seen except for MGH, BWH, Hopkins, UCSF (Don't know about Duke) and even then those are only slightly better....Seems like you would get the most bang for your buck at Mayo, if you don't mind the cold!
2. Baylor - Proximity to MD Anderson
3/4 UAB or UPITT

Infliximab said:
Please help me rank the following programs -
1. UAB
2. U Pitt
3. Baylor
4. Mayo

As my username suggests, I am hem-onc guy 🙂 . Location not a major concern.
Thanks a bunch. 👍

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Love thy neighbour 😀

Doctor&Geek · Feb 17, 2005

Infliximab said:
Please help me rank the following programs -
1. UAB
2. U Pitt
3. Baylor
4. Mayo

As my username suggests, I am hem-onc guy 🙂 . Location not a major concern.
Thanks a bunch. 👍

If you're interested in hem-onc, let me know if you have any questions about UAB via PM, since I'm pursuing PhD work with one of the Hem/Onc folks here. I also have a resident working in our lab that is in the current cycle for Hem/Onc fellowships. I can tell you anecdotally that as an FMG, he's been able to obtain interviews at MDAnderson, WashU, and a number of other excellent institutions, but not at others due to some programs not supporting H1B visas, which include the Hutch, DFCI, and MSK. Unfortunately, I don't have specific information regarding the history of residency graduates getting into Hem/Onc fellowships - I'd ask Dr. Heudebert those questions specifically.

UAB is also in the search for a new medicine chair, new Hem/Onc division director, AND new cancer center director (med chair and cancer center director due to retirement).

That said, from what I have heard, Mayo is fellowship-friendly, residency-unfriendly, and Baylor's IM is overrated (how much overrated above say the rest of your rank list, I don't know).

june015b · Feb 17, 2005

Infliximab said:
Please help me rank the following programs -
1. UAB
2. U Pitt
3. Baylor
4. Mayo

As my username suggests, I am hem-onc guy 🙂 . Location not a major concern.
Thanks a bunch. 👍

I will rank:
1. U Pitt- Very Resident friendly with strong fellowship placement. top 20 heme/onc program/cancer ctr on its way to the top 5. Its NIH grant/funding is top 10 now. They are rapidly expanding with more faculty and research. Pitt is a pretty big city (the second largest city in Pennsylvania).
2. UAB
3. Mayo- It is a fellow friendly program. Location is a downside. Would rather do residecny in other places and go there for fellowship.
4. Baylor- I also think it's a bit over rated IM residency.

Infliximab · Feb 17, 2005

JPaikman said:
If you're interested in hem-onc, let me know if you have any questions about UAB via PM, since I'm pursuing PhD work with one of the Hem/Onc folks here. I also have a resident working in our lab that is in the current cycle for Hem/Onc fellowships. I can tell you anecdotally that as an FMG, he's been able to obtain interviews at MDAnderson, WashU, and a number of other excellent institutions, but not at others due to some programs not supporting H1B visas, which include the Hutch, DFCI, and MSK. Unfortunately, I don't have specific information regarding the history of residency graduates getting into Hem/Onc fellowships - I'd ask Dr. Heudebert those questions specifically.

UAB is also in the search for a new medicine chair, new Hem/Onc division director, AND new cancer center director (med chair and cancer center director due to retirement).

That said, from what I have heard, Mayo is fellowship-friendly, residency-unfriendly, and Baylor's IM is overrated (how much overrated above say the rest of your rank list, I don't know).

Hey JPaikman thanks a lot !

CoolMD2BE · Feb 17, 2005

UAB: Why go to a program that is changing leadership????-Doesn't that show instability?
Pitt: It's great maybe top 20...BUT
Mayo: It IS in the top 5 for heme-onc and they HEAVILY Take from their own residency program for all their fellowships! So if you want to go to a great place and be in a STRONG position to get a TOP NOTCH fellowship...the choice is obvious. Mayo provides an advantage the other programs don't: It's called POSITIONING! The slander about fellowship friendly residency unfriendly...is so out=dated and incorrect and by the way who cares: OUTCOMES speak for themselves....i.e. 100% ABIM Pass RATES, everybody Matching in AWESOME fellowships, avg 3.1 pubs in residency...even if the fellows "run" the place, which they don't...it doesn't matter because you still come out a superstar.
Peace ,
G 😎 😍
PS: its all about PERSPECTIVE going to a PROGRAM That provides YOU with the Greatest OPPORTUNITY for PROFESSIONAL ADVANCEMENT!

Infliximab · Feb 17, 2005

june015b said:
Infliximab said:

Please help me rank the following programs -
1. UAB
2. U Pitt
3. Baylor
4. Mayo

As my username suggests, I am hem-onc guy 🙂 . Location not a major concern.
Thanks a bunch. 👍

I will rank:
1. U Pitt- Very Resident friendly with strong fellowship placement. top 20 heme/onc program/cancer ctr on its way to the top 5. Its NIH grant/funding is top 10 now. They are rapidly expanding with more faculty and research. Pitt is a pretty big city (the second largest city in Pennsylvania).
2. UAB
3. Mayo- It is a fellow friendly program. Location is a downside. Would rather do residecny in other places and go there for fellowship.
4. Baylor- I also think it's a bit over rated IM residency.

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Hey june015b, I've heard a lot about the hem/onc program of U Pitt (PCI). A lot of the U Pitt residents go for fellowship there. However, the US news ranking ranks the cancer hospital even lower than that of Alabama. How do you say it is on the way to top 5 ?
thanks. 👍
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Doctor&Geek · Feb 17, 2005

CoolMD2BE said:
UAB: Why go to a program that is changing leadership????-Doesn't that show instability?

I would note that Dr. Koopman's been medicine chair for >15 years, and will remain until a replacement has been chosen; Dr. Lobuglio had been cancer center director for >15 years. The former Hem/Onc division director was unhappy administrating, so he moved elsewhere. The point is that turnover in top positions is minimal. Your PD however, has been here forever and will remain forever, and has much more involvement in the residency than the chair.

There was a lot of turnover at one time I admit. Even the dean recently retired, and we obtained a replacement in Dr. Rich from Emory (former HHMI, former president of FEBS), and only after he was hired could we hire a medicine chair. Only after we hire a medicine chair can that person hire a cancer center director and hem/onc division director. Therefore these leadership positions may not be completely filled for perhaps a year.

Doctor&Geek · Feb 17, 2005

Infliximab said:
june015b said:

Hey june015b, I've heard a lot about the hem/onc program of U Pitt (PCI). A lot of the U Pitt residents go for fellowship there. However, the US news ranking ranks the cancer hospital even lower than that of Alabama. How do you say it is on the way to top 5 ?
thanks. 👍
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Wise men never agree, fools seldom differ 😀

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I wouldn't concern myself with the USNews subspecialty rankings that much. As long as the institution has an NIH-funded Comprehensive Cancer Center, (which all but Baylor has), you can assure yourself that the institution has the faculty and the research apparatus you can leverage for application for fellowships.

Only Mayo has an arguable top 5 Hem/Onc fellowship. I'd place DFCI, MSK, MDAnderson, the Hutch in categories by themselves, followed by Hopkins and Mayo.

CoolMD2BE · Feb 17, 2005

JPaikman said:
Infliximab said:

I wouldn't concern myself with the USNews subspecialty rankings that much. As long as the institution has an NIH-funded Comprehensive Cancer Center, (which all but Baylor has), you can assure yourself that the institution has the faculty and the research apparatus you can leverage for application for residency.

Only Mayo has a arguable top 5 Hem/Onc fellowship. I'd place DFCI, MSK, MDAnderson, the Hutch in categories by themselves, followed by Hopkins and Mayo.

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What's wrong with the USNEWS rankings? Have you looked at their methods...they are actually pretty sound! The repuation score is based on a survey of a random sample of board certified specialists in the field, combined with admissions and outcomes data, and research funding (NIH and other)..... I'm sorry to say this but NAME/RANK does matter, and anyways this is a much more OBJECTIVE way of judging a program, instead of talking about a rather loose, subjective, and non-quantifiable method of which program "gives good clinical training."

All in all: USNEWS is a great source, don't undermine it just because a particular institution isn't highly represented on it...try to improve that institution so that next time it is!
Peace,
G 👍

Doctor&Geek · Feb 17, 2005

Outcomes data may be good for patients, but they certainly don't indicate the quality of training for its fellows. CCC funding has a component for quality of training and education.

nouseforaname · Feb 17, 2005

I'd rank Mayo #1 without a single doubt in my mind. It's the best institution on your list and open up many doors for a heme-onc fellowship. If you liked Baylor, I'd rank it #2.

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