Ross Medical school

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Ross is referred to as Ross pre-med cemetery... I would be reluctant even refer to it as a medical school... I wouldnt go there.. I'd persue other careers rather then be part of the 90% of people who end up dropping out.
So if you want to be a physician, dont go to Ross.
 
Go to ValueMD or to the international discussion forum on SDN. It is Big 4, 50 states accredited. The Caribbean is a horrible way to get back into the US. Try a post-bacc, SMP before going that route.
 
Ross sucks. They're a for-profit cash cow and less than a quarter of students who enter end up becoming doctors. Residency positions are frozen and US MD and DO seats are increasing...so get in one of those seats, because they're muscling Carib graduates out of residency spots.

I'd be willing to bet that in four years, Ross' match list is going to get slimmer and slimmer as all these new MD and DO grads get all the spots and leave only the very undesirable programs for FMGs.
 
rama kandra said:
I don't believe the match list at these schools will be less fruitful to those who want these careers. If the match list must be top tier, maybe we are arguing semantics at best. If anything I will have a career and nobody will question me in my own hallowed practice.
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While I am currently at a medical school in the US, I know a few friends that went to ROSS and loved it. Who doesn't want to go to school near the beach, right? One of the folks is currently a neurosurgeon and certainly received an adequate education! I spoke with him about his experience when he was my attending at a clinic one night. He started out by telling me that all schools in the US will preferentially take students from their own schools for residency. Therefore it is harder for ROSS students to get into the residencies they want, but not impossible. He went on to mention that in order to be competitive for residency, coming from ROSS, you really need great board scores. I have a lot more information about this but feel like I am rambling. I just felt like someone should share the other side with you as well. Good luck in whatever you decide.... :luck:
 
rama kandra said:
How much are you willing to bet?

'for profit cash cow' - admitted, qft. all medical schools and schools are for profit. nothing to prove here.

'quarter of all students' - not concerned with the number who pass as long as it would be one of us who go there and pass. As I have read, it seems to be around 50% who leave.

'frozen residency' - I don't know what this means. There is a need for physicians and there will be spots for students who graduate with decent scores. If you are okay with going to a 'less desirable residency' you may be well served going to Ross or SGU as I will be attending one of them and have no reason to suspect I will be enamored with ROAD specialties.


I don't believe the match list at these schools will be less fruitful to those who want these careers. If the match list must be top tier, maybe we are arguing semantics at best. If anything I will have a career and nobody will question me in my own hallowed practice.
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With US medical schools increasing their number of seats, the Carib schools are likely to be pushed further and further out of US residency spots. I recall even seeing mention not long ago of an AAMC resolution to have US MD schools filling virtually all US residency spots over the next few years, although I was unable to find the resolution myself w/ a quick search. Ross is not the way to go, plain and simple. No reason to debate this. It has been debated ad nauseam time and again and it always ends the same -- Carib gets insulted, Carib students and student hopefuls come to the rescue w/ arguments akin to the DNPs' arguments for being called "doctor" at a hospital. Then there's the usual namecalling and it all ends in either a stalemate or a locked thread.
 
I wouldnt be too sure about Ross. They spend too much on advertisements and that money probably comes from their students.

SGU. Yeah sure!@
 
rama kandra said:
How much are you willing to bet?

'for profit cash cow' - admitted, qft. all medical schools and schools are for profit. nothing to prove here.
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no, not all medical schools are for-profit. Rocky Vista, the DO school in Colorado, is the first US medical school that was opened for-profit.

http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2007/10/01/prsc1001.htm

that's beside the point, though. the point is this: for Ross, the responsibility is not to the students but to the shareholders.

rama kandra said:
'quarter of all students' - not concerned with the number who pass as long as it would be one of us who go there and pass. As I have read, it seems to be around 50% who leave.
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huh? less than 50% of Caribbean grads get into residencies. Ross is probably on the higher end but when you factor in the attrition rate (which sucks, by the way), you're looking at a coin toss to see if your expensive dream pays off or not.

rama kandra said:
'frozen residency' - I don't know what this means. There is a need for physicians and there will be spots for students who graduate with decent scores. If you are okay with going to a 'less desirable residency' you may be well served going to Ross or SGU as I will be attending one of them and have no reason to suspect I will be enamored with ROAD specialties.
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what it means is this - there are currently ~13 new US MD or DO medical schools that are working to get accredited. there are tons of new schools that have just recently opened - Virginia Tech, FIU, Commonwealth, etc.

this is the point: the residency spots aren't increasing along with increasing medical student seats. so when the time comes for future classes of med students to apply for residencies, the FMGs will be facing even more competition. remember, US MDs and DOs win on ties. so going to Ross is an increasing gamble as their graduates will be left with less and less residency spots.

rama kandra said:
I don't believe the match list at these schools will be less fruitful to those who want these careers. If the match list must be top tier, maybe we are arguing semantics at best. If anything I will have a career and nobody will question me in my own hallowed practice.
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correct, if a Ross grad gets into an internal medicine residency and is passionate about it, that's awesome. but the deal is this - if a Ross student finds out he or she loves radiology or orthopaedic surgery...tough luck. there is a very slim chance of getting into a residency like that from Ross. primary care really is the only option for Ross grads, and it's going to be at community hospitals and not academic centers, so getting into a fellowship to specialize would be difficult.
 
apumic said:
With US medical schools increasing their number of seats, the Carib schools are likely to be pushed further and further out of US residency spots. I recall even seeing mention not long ago of an AAMC resolution to have US MD schools filling virtually all US residency spots over the next few years, although I was unable to find the resolution myself w/ a quick search. Ross is not the way to go, plain and simple. No reason to debate this. It has been debated ad nauseam time and again and it always ends the same -- Carib gets insulted, Carib students and student hopefuls come to the rescue w/ arguments akin to the DNPs' arguments for being called "doctor" at a hospital. Then there's the usual namecalling and it all ends in either a stalemate or a locked thread.
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There is no debate - Caribbean students won't be as competitive for top specialities, and may even be prevented from entering certain fields; that isn't a rumor, it is a fact, that I think all of us, Caribbean students included, realize.

I am not a Caribbean student, nor will I be applying to one, but the amount of elitism and superiority complexes of some people is startling to say the least. I don't think anyone would disagree with the fact that a Ross or SGU student learns the same factual matter as any US MD student.

There are many excellent physicians from Ross and SGU. To say those schools "suck" is doing a disservice to all those doctors.
 
rama kandra said:
That was the biggest reason why I chose Ross or SGU (undecided) but I am going to be in psychiatry - I know thats where I want to be. Nothing has ever changed it, and I am sure I have seen enough medicine in shadowing and rotating that I don't like the rest. For me, Ross is what I want to do for my goals.


My goals are to get a education, pass the USMLE and return to the states and perform my rotation and sub-i years here in New York. After that I will have little trouble getting a psychiatric residency in any hospital in the new York metro area hospitals that offer the spots. After that, you can bet I will be cruising around for my new office space thats NOT in a hospital.

For me, this process seems the best bet. Ross/SGU provide me that and right this fall, not next year. I dont have the time to do that again. To each, his own.
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Did you apply DO?
 
rockaction said:
correct, if a Ross grad gets into an internal medicine residency and is passionate about it, that's awesome. but the deal is this - if a Ross student finds out he or she loves radiology or orthopaedic surgery...tough luck. there is a very slim chance of getting into a residency like that from Ross. primary care really is the only option for Ross grads, and it's going to be at community hospitals and not academic centers, so getting into a fellowship to specialize would be difficult.
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Rockaction, to say that the prospects for a Ross student is internal medicine alone, isn't true at all.

While I'd agree that the chances of landing a categorical residency posting in a specialty such as Orthopedics is very slim straight out of Ross or SGU, we still see quite a few carib graduates in these fields if we look around. How is this?

The reason is the beauty of preliminary matching. Essentially, a Ross or SGU student can match preliminary into Internal medicine for instance, and complete a year of internal medicine residency at an institution. During this time, the resident would obviously be interacting and having a chance to work with attendings at the hospital. So after the 1-year preliminary post, the resident has the chance to once again apply. Say for instance there is a categorical residency opening in General Surgery in that hospital, and the head attending in the Surgery department is aware of this resident in Internal Medicine who has expressed interest in surgery, and this resident is known to be a hard working, knowledgeable individual - it is not uncommon for this resident to be pulled in (as opposed to the hospital taking a gamble by bringing in a largely unknown 'new' resident in).

Where there is a will there is a way. When you put down someone's school, that's when you really fuel someone's desire to succeed. The highest score on Step 1 last year was from Carib
 
No I played US MD and sent off a few to the Carib. End of story - I never considered DO. I don't know what DO does or why I would go there, it was just last minute lack of wanting to deal with another topic. I played my bets in the US and now so far have accepts at the caribs. So, I am quite happy about it.
 
rama kandra said:
No I played US MD and sent off a few to the Carib. End of story - I never considered DO. I don't know what DO does or why I would go there, it was just last minute lack of wanting to deal with another topic. I played my bets in the US and now so far have accepts at the caribs. So, I am quite happy about it.
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Dont let your ignorance of the DO profession lead you into a mistake. Take it from someone who had acceptances to all the "top 4" Caribbean schools and ended up staying here for another cycle. Your welcome to PM me about my decision, but you should really look into DO. Also, if you only applied once, you should at least give it one more shot.

I'm certainly not one to say Carib=fail but its a lot of hurdles that could be unnecessary. You should do more research on the whole issue, sounds like you dont have a lot of info that could really help in making the right decision.
 
Guys, please realize why we are all doing this - to become doctors.

US MD, DO, Carib MD, it doesn't matter. Keep the goal in mind.

All of us will probably be working together with one of the above 3.
 
msb1190 said:
Where do you get off making such a bold statement?
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I can make whatever statement I want to.
Just like you guys continually put down the quality of education in the Carribeans with EXTREMELY negative wording.

So take a chill pill and count to 10.🙄
 
Ross has a class of about 1200 students per year. Only about 300 get residencies. You've been warned!
 
bannie22 said:
I can make whatever statement I want to.
Just like you guys continually put down the quality of education in the Carribeans with EXTREMELY negative wording.

So take a chill pill and count to 10.🙄
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You're so cool!
 
IndianVercetti said:
Guys, please realize why we are all doing this - to become doctors.

US MD, DO, Carib MD, it doesn't matter. Keep the goal in mind.
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Thats precisely the point. You want the best route to becoming a physician that you can get, factually, the Caribbean is not the easiest, cheapest, or most successful route all the time. There is nothing wrong with stepping back to look at the big picture. Blindly running headstrong into decisions because all you see is the goal is just as big a mistake. That whole proverbial forest being missed and all.
 
bannie22 said:
Thanks.
I checked your MDapps, no wonder you got so heated up.
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My MDapps have nothing to do with anything. What satisfaction do you get by putting one form of education over another? It's all medical education.
 
rama kandra said:
No I played US MD and sent off a few to the Carib. End of story - I never considered DO. I don't know what DO does or why I would go there, it was just last minute lack of wanting to deal with another topic. I played my bets in the US and now so far have accepts at the caribs. So, I am quite happy about it.
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If you still think this now and you're going to be a physician, learn what DO is first.
 
rama kandra said:
Wherever I go I will support the school - provided they give me what I paid them to do. Teach me intro medical topics in basic sciences for two years. Shift me to a US hospital system for training further in rotations and get me graduated with a residency program. There are counselors and people who work with you the whole time to get you positioned through the entire thing. I ain't scared.
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Cool, you da man. You can make it because of your braun I'm sure. That being said, even if you wear cologne with bits of real panther in it, the truth is the "shifting to a US hospital system" is the part at risk. do your research. If your not going to research, stop asking for advice.
 
7starmantis said:
C'mon now, calm down tiger. There is no need for that crap.
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msb1190 said:
My MDapps have nothing to do with anything. What satisfaction do you get by putting one form of education over another? It's all medical education.
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Diss the Carribean schools all you want, and yet when someone applauds a fellow student for a wise choice, you take out the guns.
 
If anything, I remember Schrizto in an earlier post stated she would choose Caribbean over DO, if she didn't get into US MD so I think she's on your side Bannie.

But regardless, this thread is getting stupid - just become a doctor, your degree doesnt matter.
 
Come on...really? Really?

Read my first post before making sweeping generalizations. I nearly went to a Caribbean school. I have nothing against them. but sticking your head in the sand when it comes to facts is just ignorant. (whoa there, not saying you or any other living human is ignorant, just an expression with no basis in reality for anyone who peruses SDN).
 
Pretty sure I never dissed anything, whereas, you attempted a personal blow to my decision to apply to DO schools. You're the negative one in this conversation.
 
I actually do know what a DO is. I have cousins who are. I work with them everyday in the hospital on research and clinical stuff. I was moreso making the overarching point that I dont know what DO's are in relation to MD's. Are they different? If so, why? OMM? Is OMM not something a MD can do? If they can do it too, then what makes DO special enough to be its own career? Does the DO agenda have something against MD and believe it is different enough to merit a different school system, if they are 'just the same minus some small parts' - if you go through enough of this reasoning you will emerge with one fact : I don't know what DO is, I don't know what they do. I don't know why I would do that when I can be familiar with the MD degree. Semantics yes, but I am making a good point. I know DO is a medical degree with OMM and various wholistic approaches but not convincing me that its truly different - to the point of separating the schools and degree names.

Every DO I meet, I play dumb with them the first time and say "OH DO...whats that?" and they do whatever they possibly can to explain how its exactly a MD but we do this extra OMM and we do this... but its still the same thing as a MD knows."
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I got no problem with that above, I have a problem when people are really treating them separately when they are identical according to their own. I didn't want to go into that field not understanding why.
 
bannie22 said:
Look at you kids go again.

Diss the Carribean schools all you want, and yet when someone applauds a fellow student for a wise choice, you take out the guns.

Just like SDNers. All warped up.

This is not a scientific journal, I have no intentions of getting a publication out of this, and I have NO intentions of always having to cite sources or give longwinded explanations that wouldnt resolve any debate anyway.

I dont intend to repeat the reasons why I consider this ridiculous attack on Carribean schools unwarranted and why I feel that its better than DO.

But thats what I believe. And I commend the individual for sticking to his guns despite all your negativity.
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I don't hate on Caribbean schools, and to say DO is a better choice than Ross isn't a "ridiculous attack". But going by retention rate alone, any DO school trumps Ross.
 
msb1190 said:
Pretty sure I never dissed anything, whereas, you attempted a personal blow to my decision to apply to DO schools. You're the negative one in this conversation.
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Fully support your choice msb 👍
 
IndianVercetti said:
If anything, I remember Schrizto in an earlier post stated she would choose Caribbean over DO, if she didn't get into US MD so I think she's on your side Bannie.

But regardless, this thread is getting stupid - just become a doctor, your degree doesnt matter.
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Yeah. Sigh. So OP, you just gotta make up your own mind.

Like most posters said here, consider your options, do your research into residency matching.

No matter which route you decide on going.
As long as you study hard and work hard, you will definitely succeed!

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msb1190 said:
You're so cool!
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msb1190 said:
Pretty sure I never dissed anything, whereas, you attempted a personal blow to my decision to apply to DO schools. You're the negative one in this conversation.
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Look back my friend.

I might have only gotten a 10 in Verbal and S on writing, but I can tell when someone gets oh-so sarcastic on me.

🙄
 
schrizto said:
I don't hate on Caribbean schools, and to say DO is a better choice than Ross isn't a "ridiculous attack". But going by retention rate alone, any DO school trumps Ross.
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Okay, so any DO school trumps Ross.

schrizto said:
I don't have any interest in OMM. I'm not saying it's not effective or anything, because I still have respect for those who practice it. And there is also the very real stigma. After you practice for many years with an MD, people stop asking where you went for medical school.

I think people in this thread are getting too defensive about DO.
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Then what's this about Carib?
 
schrizto said:
I don't hate on Caribbean schools, and to say DO is a better choice than Ross isn't a "ridiculous attack". But going by retention rate alone, any DO school trumps Ross.
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I edited this post before I even posted it. How did it get out here.

I decided there was no need to get so abrasive.

Please edit it out.
Thanks Schritzo
 
IndianVercetti said:
Fully support your choice msb 👍
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Thanks IV. I feel like the large majority of people just want to get into school as soon as possible and start making progress on their life goals. Not argue about where someone else should go to school.
 
bannie22 said:
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You asked for that one.

1.) I'm not a kid
2.) You didn't simply applaud someone choice, lets not be disingenuous.
3.) I made no attacks on Caribbean schools, ridiculous or justified.
4.) No one "dissed Caribbean schools"
5.) I didn't respond to you because of your point or stance on the issue, but your personal attack on someones stats.

Seems like a fair title to me.
 
IndianVercetti said:
If anything, I remember Schrizto in an earlier post stated she would choose Caribbean over DO, if she didn't get into US MD so I think she's on your side Bannie.

But regardless, this thread is getting stupid - just become a doctor, your degree doesnt matter.
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Well, opinions do change and right now it is DO > Caribbean. If someone were to choose a Caribbean school out of the Big 4 however, IMO it should be be SGU or Saba.
 
Exactly.
I dont hate DO. I dont look down on DO.
I just think Carribean MD is better than DO.
Just like many of you feel that DO is better.

What on earth is so sinfully wrong about having different beliefs?

If you go onto another forum, the general opinion will be different. So why all the iffiness whenever this is raised?
 
I considered all my options, risk adjusted in every way possible. I settled on being a Carib MD student and going into psychiatry. This is where I want to spend my life. I want a good practice, good patients, and a goood purpose in society - in Life. I factored in the 'upset' part where I would be pissed that I am going to a island school - and it subsides after a bit. You are suddenly in school working with people who for better or worse, are after the same things.

I know what I am doing. I made my decision and I believe it is better than the alternative, to re apply or get a degree which I do not agree with or find sensible.

To each his own (new signature possibility I thinks!)
 
I'd recommend boosting your application with a higher MCAT and reapplying for the next cycle. It's already February, June AMCAS is just a few months away. You have 3 months to study for the May MCAT.

Ross is in the Dominica, not quite a tropical vacation.

Again the attrition at Ross is real: 1200 students per class (they have 3 entry terms), only 300 find residencies.

DO schools for all their faults have very low attrition and you're for the most part guaranteed an AOA residency. When you go to Ross, there's no promise that you'll ever become a doctor.
 
bannie22 said:
Look back my friend.

I might have only gotten a 10 in Verbal and S on writing, but I can tell when someone gets oh-so sarcastic on me.

🙄
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You provoked it and deserved it with your utterly cute comments about taking a chill pill and counting to ten. Congrats on your VR and writing score, but maybe you should work on your short term memory.
 
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