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[bannie22]

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You asked for that one.

1.) I'm not a kid
2.) You didn't simply applaud someone choice, lets not be disingenuous.
3.) I made no attacks on Caribbean schools, ridiculous or justified.
4.) No one "dissed Caribbean schools"
5.) I didn't respond to you because of your point or stance on the issue, but your personal attack on someones stats.

Seems like a fair title to me.

1) Literal much?
2) disingenuous? wow. big words from someone who reads things literally.
3) re-read the thread, its not just you, but others have posted "suck". guess what woulda happened if i had said. DO SUCK? lmfao.
4) DO SUCK.
5) nobody dissed anybody's stats. however, i can tell you you need to work on your "inferential" skills. just as much as spotting when words are not meant to be taken literally. good luck.

 

[7starmantis]

Exactly.
I dont hate DO. I dont look down on DO.
I just think Carribean MD is better than DO.
Just like many of you feel that DO is better.

What on earth is so sinfully wrong about having different beliefs?

If you go onto another forum, the general opinion will be different. So why all the iffiness whenever this is raised?

🙄

Yeah, you simply made a generic statement humbly stating your own personal belief 🙄

I considered all my options, risk adjusted in every way possible. I settled on being a Carib MD student and going into psychiatry. This is where I want to spend my life. I want a good practice, good patients, and a goood purpose in society - in Life. I factored in the 'upset' part where I would be pissed that I am going to a island school - and it subsides after a bit. You are suddenly in school working with people who for better or worse, are after the same things.

I know what I am doing. I made my decision and I believe it is better than the alternative, to re apply or get a degree which I do not agree with or find sensible.

To each his own (new signature possibility I thinks!)

Well, good luck then. Wish you well. If I was attending a Carib school it certainly would have been SGU. Hope you got deep pockets too. The duty on the island is painful by itself. Should be spelled "doody".

 

[bannie22]

]Where do you get off making such a bold statement?[/U]

You provoked it and deserved it with your utterly cute comments about taking a chill pill and counting to ten. Congrats on your VR and writing score, but maybe you should work on your short term memory.

Look who started it. 🙄
You need more CREB. Or maybe PDE inhibitors.


Thanks!

 

[bannie22]

🙄

Yeah, you simply made a generic statement humbly stating your own personal belief 🙄



Well, good luck then. Wish you well. If I was attending a Carib school it certainly would have been SGU. Hope you got deep pockets too. The duty on the island is painful by itself. Should be spelled "doody".

Totally confused with your comment which I have bolded.

But, yeah sure, whatevaa you say. 🙄😎

 

[IndianVercetti]

Does anyone really give a crap if some anonymous poster on an online forum thinks your choice of school is good or bad?

 

[7starmantis]

1) Literal much?
2) disingenuous? wow. big words from someone who reads things literally.
3) re-read the thread, its not just you, but others have posted "suck". guess what woulda happened if i had said. DO SUCK? lmfao.
4) DO SUCK.
5) nobody dissed anybody's stats. however, i can tell you you need to work on your "inferential" skills. just as much as spotting when words are not meant to be taken literally. good luck.

Twisted much?

You should re-read my posts, not sure which of them you think = suck.
Oh, and its certainly a worthy goal to respond to what others would have said if you had posted something different. 🙄
My "inferential" skills? Yeah, it certainly couldn't be your communication skillz. I mean we know you are the shat and all. Who else could post something like "DO suck" and still be around? 🙄

 

[cliffhuxtableDO]

Look who started it. 🙄
You need more CREB. Or maybe PDE inhibitors.


Thanks!

So by asking you a question I insulted you? You are going to make a great doctor! That's my final response. Say whatever you want.

 

[IndianVercetti]

I like how the original message on this thread was:

"Hi, I would like to get your opinions and information you guys have about ROSS medical schools."

And now this. Honestly, calm down everyone...

 

[schrizto]

Okay, so any DO school trumps Ross.

Then what's this about Carib?

Let it go, dude. 🙄 I find it rather funny that you actually took the time to dig out an old post of mine as if you want to prove something. Even in that post, I never stated that Caribbean > DO, which is apparently what you're trying to imply.

Saba over Ross? I'm interested in your reasons.

Saba may be newer than some of the more established Caribbean schools but it accepts a much smaller class and matches into some respectable residencies. It doesn't utilize the weeding out system anywhere near as heavily as Ross does.

 

[7starmantis]

Look who started it. 🙄
You need more CREB. Or maybe PDE inhibitors.


Thanks!

Well, lets both of you take a time out and then hug and say "friends forever" 150 times in each others ears. Grow up, who cares who "started it".
🙄

Totally confused with your comment which I have bolded.

But, yeah sure, whatevaa you say. 🙄😎

I guess you should work on your "inferential" skills. Its called sarcasm. What I meant is that you came out attacking not just posting your opinion or belief and then tried to play it up like people responded strongly because of your beliefs. 🙄

 

[rama kandra]

Heh yeah, the duty may be hard to deal with from my humble new york taxation rates. I like the students who came out of Ross and work side by side with me in a hospital in a good place. They prefer Ross over SGU for reasons totally subjective. And, the two schools produce physicians. I will have to work harder than I would if I went to my local US MD school, of course. But as my dad says, necessity is the mother of all invention. I am going to do this, and come back with my life intact, and I want to practice in my own setting - I don't see why the thousands of physicians in the US who came from Ross and SGU are disadvantaged since I have plenty of these people in my own life. My parents are FMG's... they are the true inspiration in my life. I would never do something they willingly knew was a bad idea but they endorse me going to SGU or Ross.

 

[bannie22]

Twisted much?

You should re-read my posts, not sure which of them you think = suck.
Oh, and its certainly a worthy goal to respond to what others would have said if you had posted something different. 🙄
My "inferential" skills? Yeah, it certainly couldn't be your communication skillz. I mean we know you are the shat and all. Who else could post something like "DO suck" and still be around? 🙄

Originally Posted by 7starmantis
You asked for that one.

1.) I'm not a kid
2.) You didn't simply applaud someone choice, lets not be disingenuous.
3.) I made no attacks on Caribbean schools, ridiculous or justified.
4.) No one "dissed Caribbean schools"
5.) I didn't respond to you because of your point or stance on the issue, but your personal attack on someones stats.

Seems like a fair title to me.
1) Literal much?
2) disingenuous? wow. big words from someone who reads things literally.
3) re-read the thread, its not just you, but others have posted "suck". guess what woulda happened if i had said. DO SUCK? lmfao.
4) DO SUCK.
5) nobody dissed anybody's stats. however, i can tell you you need to work on your "inferential" skills. just as much as spotting when words are not meant to be taken literally. good luck.




Good luck kid.
Try reading the posts and hopefully you see the light!

 

[7starmantis]

Saba may be newer than some of the more established Caribbean schools but it accepts a much smaller class and matches into some respectable residencies. It doesn't utilize the weeding out system anywhere near as heavily as Ross does.

Interesting. I dont know that I would personally pick SABA over Ross, but I would SGU over Ross for sure. What are SABA's accreditations like?

 

[bannie22]

So by asking you a question I insulted you? You are going to make a great doctor! That's my final response. Say whatever you want.

Thank you!

 

[7starmantis]

Good luck kid.
Try reading the posts and hopefully you see the light!

🙄


Love those keyboard warriors. Just let it go.

 

[bannie22]

Well, lets both of you take a time out and then hug and say "friends forever" 150 times in each others ears. Grow up, who cares who "started it".
🙄




I guess you should work on your "inferential" skills. Its called sarcasm. What I meant is that you came out attacking not just posting your opinion or belief and then tried to play it up like people responded strongly because of your beliefs. 🙄

1) You are weird.


2) Way too sensitive.
No idea where you got that from, but hey, I am sure some drugs would help that problem.

Nicotinic agonists should help!

 

[schrizto]

Interesting. I dont know that I would personally pick SABA over Ross, but I would SGU over Ross for sure. What are SABA's accreditations like?

Well it's considered a Big 4 and it's accredited in all 50 states. I think one of their drawbacks is that they don't qualify for federal loans yet so they make their tuition lower for that reason.

 

[IndianVercetti]

Saba may be newer than some of the more established Caribbean schools but it accepts a much smaller class and matches into some respectable residencies. It doesn't utilize the weeding out system anywhere near as heavily as Ross does.

Yea, from a practical, quality of education view point, I'd agree with you. But the "name brand" of SGU, and Ross are a big reason why so many graduates land categorical residencies. The graduates from these 2 schools have been tried and tested in the American clinical environment, and perform well. While SABA might boast more matches, look at how many of these are preliminary.

 

[7starmantis]

1) You are weird.


2) Way too sensitive.
No idea where you got that from, but hey, I am sure some drugs would help that problem.

Nicotinic agonists should help!

Seriously. Let....it.....go. And put your MDapps back up, dont be skeered.

 

[rama kandra]

I was told by some anecdotal evidence that Ross tended to produce higher USMLE step 1 scores, but I am sure the number is a tiny step above their comparison group. If this comes down to SGU vs Ross, what is the catalyst for Ross and what of SGU?

The campus on SGU is great - beautiful. The Ross one, nothing to write home about. I guess I prefer the nicer one, but I also want to have my best shot at doing well - I don't know what Ross does differently from SGU to bring me over to that side. I'll do some research and let you guys know what I find.


I also didn't want to bring this into the discussion but two physicians I work with mentioned they have trained both Ross and SGU kids here at the hospital. She said she likes Ross kids better because they were more down to earth while SGU kids had a bit of an ego. I don't know how much time she has spent around them but I am just sharing it. I have no evidence myself, and just trusted her opinion. If SGU kids are big headed, whatever, but if that is a result of the school process or something else, I have to find out more on how those students fare and get through school.

 

[7starmantis]

Well it's considered a Big 4 and it's accredited in all 50 states. I think one of their drawbacks is that they don't qualify for federal loans yet so they make their tuition lower for that reason.

Yeah, thats a big issue, maybe why I left them out of my main decision making. My biggest issue was licensure in Texas (one of the toughest states) and SGU is listed as an equivalent school by the TMA.

 

[bannie22]

Seriously. Let....it.....go. And put your MDapps back up, dont be skeered.

Maybe you should count to 10 and take a chillpill too. 🙄

If you really feel the need to stalk me, put some effort into it.

*Ooops. your MDapps seem to be missing too 😎

 

[IndianVercetti]

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[bannie22]

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[7starmantis]

Maybe you should count to 10 and take a chillpill too. 🙄

If you really feel the need to stalk me, put some effort into it.

*Ooops. your MDapps seem to be missing too 😎

Seriously drop it man. We have moved the conversation back on topic a bit.
I've never had an MDapps or whatever. You read enough of my posts and you will see all that info and more. I couldn't care less really. Just thought it was funny you took yours down after it was brought up in the thread.

Ok now, run along. Lets get back on topic.

 

[IndianVercetti]

So, how about them Yankees?

 

[bannie22]

Seriously drop it man. We have moved the conversation back on topic a bit.
I've never had an MDapps or whatever. You read enough of my posts and you will see all that info and more. I couldn't care less really. Just thought it was funny you took yours down after it was brought up in the thread.

Ok now, run along. Lets get back on topic.

😴😴😴
I dont know what you are trying to get at, but my MDapps havent changed in the past few months. 🙄

Stay cool.

 

[bannie22]

bannie stfu

🙄

 

[IndianVercetti]

:troll:

 

[rama kandra]

I have my Ross and SGU school interviews done with, and am accepted to Ross - while waiting on SGU. I could be 50/50 on them. My decision is that I am attending medical school this fall no matter what. As of now I have a home this august. I do not plan on taking the MCAT again after three times. I'm not up to par with the test averages for US MD schools. I got my argument out against going DO, so thats why I chose this route. My parents are FMG's from India. They know the whole deal inside and out. My entire family is FMG from back home. I also got current generation indian friends who did the FMG stuff and surprise, are doing fine. I saw this with my own eyes and made the leap. I'm scared in a way, that I am going this far off the beaten path for my education, but who knows, maybe I will do just fine and wind up happy in my profession.

 

[cliffhuxtableDO]

So, how about them Yankees?

Note the avatar....

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Haha. I do support the Yankees after the Mets have been eliminated from contention though.

 

[7starmantis]

I have my Ross and SGU school interviews done with, and am accepted to Ross - while waiting on SGU. I could be 50/50 on them. My decision is that I am attending medical school this fall no matter what. As of now I have a home this august. I do not plan on taking the MCAT again after three times. I'm not up to par with the test averages for US MD schools. I got my argument out against going DO, so thats why I chose this route. My parents are FMG's from India. They know the whole deal inside and out. My entire family is FMG from back home. I also got current generation indian friends who did the FMG stuff and surprise, are doing fine. I saw this with my own eyes and made the leap. I'm scared in a way, that I am going this far off the beaten path for my education, but who knows, maybe I will do just fine and wind up happy in my profession.

I had your same mentality about going to med school last year regardless. I sincerely wish you well. I do think you should look into the DO route, but if your set against it, there is no reason I guess. There is certainly nothing wrong with being a FMG as you well know, but there is nothing wrong with being a US MD either. For your training and residency, even first jobs your path would be much smoother as a US MD/DO, thats all people were trying to say.

Sounds like your mind is made up though, so good luck and I hope everything works out the way you have planned it. I have several friends who went Caribbean and are doing ok, its tough though so just be prepared.

 

[schrizto]

I'll elaborate on my reasons why I would choose DO over Caribbean now. Those that choose to go to a Caribbean school will be different than the ones who actually graduate from one, because there will be a significant percentage that get rooted out. It's medical school with a pre-med mentality, pretty much. If someone graduated from a Caribbean medical school and matched, I respect them, they worked hard to get where they are. The retention rate of MD and DO schools is very high, so almost all that are accepted will become doctors, but someone who chooses to go to a Caribbean school doesn't have that kind of assurance and it's a much bigger financial gamble.

I am not knocking anyone who chooses to go to the Caribbean because it's entirely their choice what they decide on, as long as they made their decision with full awareness of what they're getting themselves into.

 

[rama kandra]

Thanks man, you have provided the voice of reason in the thread so far, and I am glad someone was actually reading my crap haha. Congrats on your accept and I think we will both achieve our goals eventually. My trip was kind of nontrad to begin with, which I have not included in anything here since I was focused on the schools.


about assurances - I must add that there are no assurances in LIFE, period. Nothing is gold for long. Stay wary of this protectivist ideal where US MD schools are the clouds of Zeus and you will be saved. No. You can **** up in these schools too and drop out, or murder someone like at BU. People drop out, people leave or have no way of finishing. The carib accepted sub par students as a business model. They give us the chance, we are weeded out in the same way as pre meds are - yes. No guarantees. Just like you wont have any with your first date, or your last (ha-ha) and you could be driving a Toyota and **** hits the fan. I want to be clear that I may fail. I am prepared for the consequences. I however do not see how anyone can stop me at this phase, I am truly ready to begin my career in medical education. This is an opportunity, a difficult one and I am enterprising enough to take that risk. I played my hand, and this is what I got. Lets do this.

 

[7starmantis]

Thanks man, you have provided the voice of reason in the thread so far, and I am glad someone was actually reading my crap haha. Congrats on your accept and I think we will both achieve our goals eventually. My trip was kind of nontrad to begin with, which I have not included in anything here since I was focused on the schools.

NP. And seriously, I'm not sure your whole story, but I was about 50/50 on Ross vs SGU until I did my interviews and some heavy research. SGU just seemed to have the connections with California and Texas (the two toughest states for licensure) which was a big deal for me. Also, SGU has some contract for clinical spots that is more secure than Ross (at least as it appeared to me). Also it seems there physician alumni network is bigger which could help out when you start looking for those residency or jobs.

Its a personal decision, not one anyone else can make for you, but I wish you well.

 

[faith2]

True True alot of us forget that

Guys, please realize why we are all doing this - to become doctors.

US MD, DO, Carib MD, it doesn't matter. Keep the goal in mind.

All of us will probably be working together with one of the above 3.

 

[rockaction]

True True alot of us forget that

I don't think anyone contests that Carib MD grads are doctors. The problem is that nowhere near half of Carib MD students get that far. That's all I'm sayin. I would never hate on a student, but I can hate all I want on an institution that would have attrition rates as such.


And this thread exploded

Good job!

 

[morning]

Exactly.
I dont hate DO. I dont look down on DO.
I just think Carribean MD is better than DO.
Just like many of you feel that DO is better.

What on earth is so sinfully wrong about having different beliefs?

If you go onto another forum, the general opinion will be different. So why all the iffiness whenever this is raised?

Fact is not up for debate. Not only will many more Caribbean students drop out of school, but the majority of the ones who tough it out will not make it into residency, especially going into the future with more medical schools and the same amount of residency spots. Maybe by "better" you mean better education, because in any factual realm Caribbean schools are not BETTER in terms of opportunity. And just because it's your opinion doesn't make it inviolable.

 

[RogueUnicorn]

too bad i didn't catch this one in time...
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=700634

 

[Practitioner]

Since there's been enough mention of the attrition rates, does anyone know if there are stats for the big 4 carrib school's graduating class' initial MCAT/GPA upon admission?

My guess is that they compare in those stats to admitted students in US MD (on the lower end of competitiveness). i.e. stats of graduating carrib MD ~ admitted US MD stats.

The stats to get in are lower because they are sucking in a large part of the pool that don't have amazing stats to compete. The schools get the student's money, the students get a chance to prove they can handle MD, and the process filters students out past the MD admission not pre-med, the way US MD works.

The process is similar in the Middle-East, where med school admission isn't nearly as competitive, but attrition of classes is much higher than US MD schools. After you've done the work needed to get in US MD, and have gone through the stress of the application and MCAT, chances are you're not changing your mind once you get in.

Another interesting statistic I'd appreciate, if anyone knows of it, is how many US MD graduates actually go on to finish their residencies and practice as opposed to changing careers after MD. I know of at least 2 cases, and several others who are getting MBAs or other to get into business aspects in health-care.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Jesus.. What a heated debate.. I can beat none of you got any sleep last night -.-.
@ Rama : If you think your school will provide you with the best ability to become a psychiatrist that alright. However do know that you have a good chance of failing to become a doctor and being in a lot of debt. I'm talking 50%> chances, and debates of up to 100k+.
DO schools are like MD schools in the aspect that they hold your hand the whole way and will place you into a residency 100% of the time. I commend you on your courage frankly, I personally would rather go into another career then risk that all.

@ Bannie : Maple Syrup. Enough said there my northern friend who guards the Maple wall which defends Canada from the dreaded DO's. 👍

 

[rama kandra]

I ain't looking for nobody to hold my hand. Sometimes you have to take whats yours - I am a professional risk taker and this is my bet - I still don't see how the Carib is bad for students who are actually smart but don't have the right MCAT score or GPA, nor have the desire to wait a year extra. If I fail that is my fault alone.

I am aware of what is at stake. This wasn't something I came up with overnight and boom, I'm a Carib student. I deserve all the difficulties associated with it, but I am not giving the AAMC another year of my time and money.


PS

will place you into a residency 100% of the time.

- please get over this notion. Nothing is sacred, nobody assures you of anything in life. You could also fail DO school and MD school, these people can only help you so much if you can't handle it. They cant prevent you from getting sick, or your family problems. You are not getting 100% of anything in any aspect of life and I am sorry I don't buy that comfort. Attrition is not my problem - I am only looking out for my own success, I don't care about where I come from. My peers will likely drop out like flies and I will smile all the way to graduation.

 

[Tatastrophy]

rama...relax dude. why give people's argument merit by overreacting?
if it is right for you, it is right for you-acting on that is under your control, people's perception, however, is entirely OUT of your control.

 

[rama kandra]

Continue your path, to the ideal life.

 

[JJMrK]

I ain't looking for nobody to hold my hand. Sometimes you have to take whats yours - I am a professional risk taker and this is my bet - I still don't see how the Carib is bad for students who are actually smart but don't have the right MCAT score or GPA, nor have the desire to wait a year extra. If I fail that is my fault alone.

The biggest problem I can see is that the number of US residencies is not changing, but the number US medical students is:

No question. This is, in fact, part of the reason med schools are being told to increase their class sizes without any corresponding increase in residency slots. The AAMC has, since 2005, been issuing press releases to the effect that the US schools should fulfil US residency needs and not have to resort to offshore places which aren't accredited by the LCME. In the last few years they actually seem to be working to effect this proposal.

Having said that, do what you want to do. Best of luck OP.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Continue your path, to the ideal life.

Sorry but I really think that if you cant keep up with school at the undergrad level then medical school level will just burn you up. If you got a crap mcat, do you know what your usmle will be like? I mean the uslme is 100billion times harder then the mcat. At ross if you fail the uslme your done, your told to leave. At a DO/MD school you'll be able to retake it and even upon passing it you'll have guaranteed residency.
I mean your statement is semi-hypocritical, if your so smart then you should have done better on the mcat or had a better gpa.
But at least you understand that this is mostly your fault.

Anyway I'd rather someone hold my hand insure that a 200k+ investment wont just go to waste. Anyway it might not be 100% its 95% better then roughtly 15%.

Sorry but theres no way around it, if you did bad in undergrad. Your probably not fit to become a doctor, that is unless you figured out the problem and are ready to sacrifice all worldly pleasures for studying.

 

[rama kandra]

My statement was pseudo tongue in cheek - I was telling the other person to basically get lost. They barely read my posts to see that I am entirely calm and giving swift and well thought out opinions (they Are opinions, I am not pretending I am so clever that I cannot be biased).

And yes, I am not smart enough for US MD schools and thats why I am going to the Carib. You don't know my MCAT scores but I will share that I got a 27 on the MCAT with 9's on all sections. I just retook and don't know the outcome but that seems like I am close to the 30 which is what I was after to begin with. Not good enough? Oh well, I have two options, keep retaking/SMP/give more money to the AAMC, or, go to the Carib and start this year.

I don't believe the USMLE is 100 billion times harder and your sense of scale seems a little distorted, much like the whole of SDN and pre-meds so I take it with a large amount of salt. Like I said, I am offering opinions that work for me and me alone. If this doesn't jibe well I guess I am the nightmare for the AAMC and affiliated groups who truly prefer their own US grads, which I don't argue with. I am looking for a career that makes me run my own shop, so I don't have to back up my ego. My practice will speak for itself. Good luck to everyone who wants to be a doctor, the process is great and you will be happy with your choices as long as you Think them through.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

My statement was pseudo tongue in cheek - I was telling the other person to basically get lost. They barely read my posts to see that I am entirely calm and giving swift and well thought out opinions (they Are opinions, I am not pretending I am so clever that I cannot be biased).

And yes, I am not smart enough for US MD schools and thats why I am going to the Carib. You don't know my MCAT scores but I will share that I got a 27 on the MCAT with 9's on all sections. I just retook and don't know the outcome but that seems like I am close to the 30 which is what I was after to begin with. Not good enough? Oh well, I have two options, keep retaking/SMP/give more money to the AAMC, or, go to the Carib and start this year.

I don't believe the USMLE is 100 billion times harder and your sense of scale seems a little distorted, much like the whole of SDN and pre-meds so I take it with a large amount of salt. Like I said, I am offering opinions that work for me and me alone. If this doesn't jibe well I guess I am the nightmare for the AAMC and affiliated groups who truly prefer their own US grads, which I don't argue with. I am looking for a career that makes me run my own shop, so I don't have to back up my ego. My practice will speak for itself. Good luck to everyone who wants to be a doctor, the process is great and you will be happy with your choices as long as you Think them through.

All i can say is good luck and remember that you can transfer out to drexel your 3rd year.

 

[ronaldo23]

Exactly.
I dont hate DO. I dont look down on DO.
I just think Carribean MD is better than DO.
Just like many of you feel that DO is better.

What on earth is so sinfully wrong about having different beliefs?

If you go onto another forum, the general opinion will be different. So why all the iffiness whenever this is raised?

Sure, you can say whatever you want, but what reasoning leads you to this conclusion? It sounds like your only reasoning is that you like the initials MD more than DO, end of story. This is completely fine, but it can be VERY misleading to people considering whether or not they should pick a DO school or go to the caribbean.

People here are saying DO>Caribbean MD based on the much better match rates, better match lists, and the virtually no attrition from DO schools...while at the best of the best caribbean (SGU), 30-50% fail out.

 

[schrizto]

All i can say is good luck and remember that you can transfer out to drexel your 3rd year.

Huh? Where'd you hear that from?