California Senate Bill 1865
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ShawnOne said:
That's wonderful. We all participated in a writing letters to Senators campaign.
How nice it is to see this result.
How nice it is to see this result.
That IS very excellent news!
excellent news for who?
Being a Cali resident, I personally never planned on practicing anywhere except California. This bill now allows dentists of surrounding states to freely move here, potentially causing more saturation.
I guess I am not too excited yet because of the uncertainty it creates. But I probably will be once its time to take the exam.
Being a Cali resident, I personally never planned on practicing anywhere except California. This bill now allows dentists of surrounding states to freely move here, potentially causing more saturation.
I guess I am not too excited yet because of the uncertainty it creates. But I probably will be once its time to take the exam.
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do you think the wreb will eventually become the "standardized" national exam? it seems like it is now the most accepted nationwide. i think 31-32 states now accept it.
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I kind of doubt there will be a standardized national exam any time in the near future. The boards are regional and have been around for 20-30 years each. It would take a strong push from either the ADA or the government to get a single unified board and we certainly don't want the government try to muscle its way into regulating dentistry.
WREB: 11 member, 18 accepting (plus California now)
NERB: 15 member, 8 accepting and 2 conditionally accepting
CRDTS: 12 member, no accepting?
SRTA: 7 member, no accepting?
Which one you will take depends on where you live now and where you'll want to practice. The way the boards are now doesn't appear to be much of a problem. Most people can get away with only taking one and few people will have to take two if they want to move early in their career. Very few people will ever have to take three or more.
WREB: 11 member, 18 accepting (plus California now)
NERB: 15 member, 8 accepting and 2 conditionally accepting
CRDTS: 12 member, no accepting?
SRTA: 7 member, no accepting?
Which one you will take depends on where you live now and where you'll want to practice. The way the boards are now doesn't appear to be much of a problem. Most people can get away with only taking one and few people will have to take two if they want to move early in their career. Very few people will ever have to take three or more.
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http://www.ada.org/prof/prac/licensure/licensure_clinical_exams.pdf
looks like
CRDTS 29 states accepting
NERB 25
SRTA 23
WREB 30 plus CA now
looks like
CRDTS 29 states accepting
NERB 25
SRTA 23
WREB 30 plus CA now
go governator!!! I knew kicking grey davis out of office was a superb idea. 😀 Now i don't have to worry about coming back to CA to take my boards...I can take the wrebs here on the east coast and come straight back.- Joined
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ShawnOne said:
I was wondering this myself. As a FL resident and a second year dental student, I may have a problem with my state board giving up the right to regulate dentistry in our state. I know there is a tremendous amount of push from the student population (ASDA) for nationalization of board exams. Is this a good thing for the profession? (note wording of "profession" not ease of dental school-life transition)
I'd like to know from our Canadian friends (who have a single national exam) whether or not nationalization of board exams is a blessing or not.
Anybody know a great deal about this topic willing to post a reply? - I know Canadians love to talk about their country, so talk!
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http://www.dca.ca.gov/legis/2003/dental.htm
I know California there are some parts of california that are saturated but there are also a lot of areas that still need dentists. That is why california has already opened the door to one of the dental schools in mexico (i forgot which one) to take their board exams right out of school and start practicing in CA. Most people that are from california that go to dental school out of state come back anyways, it's just making it less costly to do so. Besides, it seems like the state will be making a little extra money by giving out more licenses.
(see under AB 801)
http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_1851-1900/sb_1865_cfa_20040803_170126_asm_comm.html
I know California there are some parts of california that are saturated but there are also a lot of areas that still need dentists. That is why california has already opened the door to one of the dental schools in mexico (i forgot which one) to take their board exams right out of school and start practicing in CA. Most people that are from california that go to dental school out of state come back anyways, it's just making it less costly to do so. Besides, it seems like the state will be making a little extra money by giving out more licenses.
(see under AB 801)
http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_1851-1900/sb_1865_cfa_20040803_170126_asm_comm.html
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ShawnOne said:
I guess your gonna hate me!! Ive always dreamed of living in Cali, and now that this has happened, I will highly consider practicing in California!
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Now when is Hawaii gonna join the fun?
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When is FL gonna get some sense too!
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Brocnizer2007 said:
Hey Broc...do you think Florida will do something similar soon, because I cant see the state attracting many dentists as a place to live especially the bad rep it got this year as the land of Hurricanes
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Dr.BadVibes said:
They always talk about doing something soon...but thats all they do is talk.
My understanding is that the old farts wana keep FL to themselves and until they are unseated from the FDA and other areas, FL is gonna have their own exam.
I'm not even sure I want to go back, but I would like to still take the board in case I change my mind.
cusp of carabelli said:
Cusp, I'm not sure if the governator has anything to do with this. This bill was campaigned and passed the house by Senator Burton, who is a democrat fyi. And since the bill was passed with majority, whether the governator signed it or not is not really the big factor. But just to remind you. The democrat senators are those who started this bill. So, even if Davis is still in power, he would even sign the bill earlier, not waiting until the last day to sign it.
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Dr.BadVibes said:
Badvibes-from what I've heard, Hawaii's boards aren't as bad as people make it out to be. As for Cali finally joining the WREB's, 👍 👍 I hope it stands until I graduate
tinker bell said:
the author of the bill though....was senator Aanestad..a Republican...who is also an OMFS and also a fellow bruin....sorry tinker...this is one for the republicans...
woo hoooo!!!!! :-D
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cusp of carabelli said:the author of the bill though....was senator Aanestad..a Republican...who is also an OMFS and also a fellow bruin....sorry tinker...this is one for the republicans...
Cusp, if you read carefully, I never stated that Burton was the author of that bill. I only stated that I know Burton as the senate leader, campaign for it, and asked his democrat colleagues to vote for it. As everyone knows, CA senate floor majority is democrat. And all those dems voted for the bill. If those dems didn't vote for it, that bill would never pass.
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according to that senate bill:
4)Deems an applicant to have met the requirements of the WREB
exam if the applicant completes the WREB exam on or after
January 1, 2005, if DCA certifies that the exam meets the
standards set forth in #5) above.
So does this mean that the upcoming dec2004 wreb won't be acceptable for cali?
4)Deems an applicant to have met the requirements of the WREB
exam if the applicant completes the WREB exam on or after
January 1, 2005, if DCA certifies that the exam meets the
standards set forth in #5) above.
So does this mean that the upcoming dec2004 wreb won't be acceptable for cali?
hmmmm.....looks like it won't be....sorry 🙁
tinker bell said:
true...but w/o an author, there would be no bill...besides...it passed unanimously in both the house and senate...so......it looks like both sides agreed on this one..
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If everyone decides they are going to move to Cali now because they are part of the Western Boards, they will destroy the dental community financially. There is already a dentist on every corner where I am from in Cali as well as many large dental companies that have low rates. Imagine the price war that will occur with too many dentists. I didn't go to dental school to make an "average" living. I am totally against this new development. By the way, before you decide to look at Cali as a place to live, look at the cost of living. Where I live, a normal 3 bed, 1.5 bath house starts at $500,000. A good idea to see how many dentists there are is too look in the online yellow pages. For instance, there are just over 150 dentists within 4 miles of my parents house in California (info from mapquest yellow pages). May think it's nice to live there, but can you make it?
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you can look at it another way too... if you are a CA dental student, instead of taking the california boards you can take the WREB. This allows you to still practice in your CA but makes it much easier to move OUT of california and practice in the 25 or so WREB accepting states if you so choose.
So this bill will may bring dentists into CA but it will allow them to leave as well.
So this bill will may bring dentists into CA but it will allow them to leave as well.
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templedentist said:
I'm from LA and completely understand your concerns but when you say "Cali", it sounds like you're only talking about big city California. You gotta remember Cali is much more than just San Diego, LA, or San Francisco (I'm guessing you're not from San Fran since you can't even buy a garage for $500K
). There are plenty of areas in California where the demand for dentists is high and there is simply not enough dentists to fill that demand. So as I understand your concern, at the same time, I think it is important to not forget about the "rest" of California and their need for sound oral health.- Joined
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flat4 said:I'm from LA and completely understand your concerns but when you say "Cali", it sounds like you're only talking about big city California. You gotta remember Cali is much more than just San Diego, LA, or San Francisco (I'm guessing you're not from San Fran since you can't even buy a garage for $500K
Come on, you are trying to tell me that most people are going to go to California to work in Northern California or the desert where it snows or is very hot and there aren't many people, no beach, and not close to all of the "reasons to be in California." I think you are just trying to play devil's advocate. You can't be serious. And for the person that thinks that people will leave California to practice in one of the other western states: Almost nobody will leave after living and practicing in So Cal. This comes from the people that I have spoken with that do practice in California. I have been in and lived in Northern California and it is very pretty to VISIT, but most people don't want to live there. I spoke to people at my school and have read other people's comments on forums about moving to California and from what I remember, only one person mentioned wanting to go to Northern California, and that probably meant San Fran too. Most were excited about the thought of moving to So Cal.
Anyway, if you do want to fill the HPSAs in California, then be my guest, but if you are trying to move to the already overpopulated and overserved areas of So Cal, good luck competing with everyone else, including me. I've lived in Cali my whole life and both mine and my wife's families live in So Cal, so nothing in the world could keep us from going back after school. Don't be upset if you end up in the same area as me and I steal your patients sucka 😀
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templedentist said:Don't be upset if you end up in the same area as me and I steal your patients sucka 😀
Now this is not the kind of attitude that made me want to go into dentistry. I would hope that as a future ADA member you would be able to tone it down and respect future colleagues. But then again, I also hope you are being sarcastic 🙂
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templedentist said:
Funny cause I thought you were the one playing devil's advocate (you seem to like that role according to some of your other posts). Have you ever taken into consideration that people might not want to live somewhere where there are so many people? Maybe people don't like the bumper to bumper traffic on the 405 during rush hour when a 20 minute drive takes you 2 hours. How about the beautiful purplish-brown layer of smog that seems to get more and more colorful each time I go home? And you mentioned the ocean? You can't even swim in So Cal's oceans unless you go past Zuma.
All the good surf spots are out of LA unless you want a little eye candy of course. And you mentioned cost of living? That's another valid reason why somebody might not live in LA. Don't get me wrong. I love and miss LA just as much as you but I can think of several reasons why somebody might want to move up North instead. Like I said, So Cal is nice but it's not the center of the universe. And as for stealing my patients, I thought you were trying for Ortho? You better apologize or you won't be getting any referrals from me suckaaa 😀Advertisement - Members don't see this ad
templedentist said:
That's it?! I've planned on buying a not-normal 6 beds, 3 baths house starts at $1miiiilllllion. I'll do more than just "make it" I'll lower all the fees and steal all of your patients, suckaa
Cali babes, keeps your eyes peeled, here I come, hard! 😀
I don't think this bill will change the practicing climate in California much at all, if any. I think it only makes it easier for those who were already going to practice in California to do so.
also the WREBs are not exactly a cake walk to pass. If you fail one section, you fail the whole test and must retake the WHOLE thing....as opposed to the Cali boards or the NERBs where you can just retake the section you failed only. This may make some people wanna rethink taking the western boards. bottom line...whoever wanted to go back to cali in the first place will go back...regardless of what happens with this bill...somehow or other.
cusp of carabelli said:
true, true
toothcaries said:
With the WREB, LOTS of states are options. Your scenario of practicing in California for one year before leaving the state, wouldn't make much sense to most people, and therefore probably wouldn't be a realistic option, although an option nonetheless.
Like another poster said, those who want to practice in Cali. will do whatever necessary to do so.
And, like Kato said, perhaps more importantly is that the bill allows WREBsters to more easily leave the state if they wish.
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ItsGavinC said:
Ditto and Ditto,
Templedentist needs to chill. Nobody in their right mind who hails from Alaska, Hawaii, Washington, Idaho, Oregon, Montana, Wyoming, Utah, Nevada, Arizona, or New Mexico would ever dream of setting up a dental practice in Southern California.
However, I would be willing concede that graduates of various mortuary scicence schools throughout the USA would view Southern California as the place to be.
