Primary care for your family

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Just a curiosity question guys...

I'm a premed interviewing for the 07' cycle and subsequently thinking about specialties. I'm very interested in Anesthesiology (among other things) but I've always had this desire to be the primary care doc for my family.

After being in private practice for a few years to what extent do you feel able to treat your immediate family?

Thanks for the indulgence.

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You will be able to treat most everyday ailments. You will definitely be able to treat emergencies. But zebra's and unusual things, I am clueless about and they require more expertise in my household.
 
Just a curiosity question guys...

I'm a premed interviewing for the 07' cycle and subsequently thinking about specialties. I'm very interested in Anesthesiology (among other things) but I've always had this desire to be the primary care doc for my family.

After being in private practice for a few years to what extent do you feel able to treat your immediate family?

Thanks for the indulgence.

sorry, but that's med school thinking, later, as a doctor you'll most likely want other doctors to take care of your family-for good reasons, I may add!
 
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sorry, but that's med school thinking, later, as a doctor you'll most likely want other doctors to take care of your family-for good reasons, I may add!

Please explain...
 
Please explain...

When you're daughter is 16 and wants to go on birth control...

When you're 15 year old son starts complaining of penile discharge...

When you're 55 year old husband needs screening for prostate cancer...

When you're aunt keeps wanting you to talk to you about her chronic back pain...

When you're brother-in-law keeps insisting all he needs is a different drug when he's already tiredp paxil, prozac, lexapro, and zoloft...
 
I think you can advise your family when they have questions, but treating them is a dangerous move. MedWiz and pillowhead make good points - medicine is a funny thing, even when you know all about it you can still be biased by emotions.
 
When you're daughter is 16 and wants to go on birth control...

When you're 15 year old son starts complaining of penile discharge...

When you're 55 year old husband needs screening for prostate cancer...

When you're aunt keeps wanting you to talk to you about her chronic back pain...

When you're brother-in-law keeps insisting all he needs is a different drug when he's already tiredp paxil, prozac, lexapro, and zoloft...

the turning point for me was when my little sister called me up asking for rx for uti. did not feel comfortable asking about her sexual history, i.e. anyway she could be pregnant. don't get me wrong, i'm always called about stuff or just for a second opinion, which im happy to do. It's just a bad idea to be treating family. besides, i dont know about you, but i want the most qualified person treating my family, i.e. the doc who is seeing whatever ailment my family member is having on a continuous basis.
in addition, after doing some rotations through the VA system my intern year, there is about a 0% chance i would let one of my family members be seen by a PA/ NP for their primary care needs. saw way to much scary stuff come through urgent care clinic visits from those folks. Great folks but inadequate training. To make matters worse, the patient is never aware of the suboptimal care they are recieving from their NP/ PA primary care provider because no-one is going be the whistle blower. I was told one time to not talk about a case i admitted because i would likely find myself testifying on the stand.
 
Please explain...

Well, how comfortable would you feel if your mom/dad/sister/brother/daugther etc. performed a rectal on you?

Usually, you'll really want to be able to retain the professionalism required to appropriately treat your patients-for their sake and your own, however if you are a sane person (and wish to remain sane), it's only normal that there are personal and social boundaries that would naturally affect your practice when it comes to treating your own family, simply due to the nature of the patient/doctor relationship.

That is, while you yourself may feel completely comfortable to take care of your loves ones when it comes to minor stuff, there's really no guarantee that more involved issues will be dealt with adequatley, nor that you even handle the minor stuff with any sort of bias.

So, normally you really wouldn't want to be your family's PCP-Several good examples and reasons were already mentioned, think about the type of relationship you have with your loved ones, and think about how comfortable you would feel discussing all sorts of personal medical stuff with any of them, and then try to imagine how they might feel, talking to you about such things.

While you may in fact not mind this all that much-most people normally would-as I said, such boundaries are totally normal and in fact healthy, for your yourself as well as for your family.

In fact, once you start practicing you'll get to know patients who'll share personal secrets with you that not even their loved ones of half a lifetime may know about. Nonetheless this stuff may be medically relevant. And thus you might endanger the quality of your own loved ones' medical care exactly due to your personal relationship to them. Besides, you should take into consideration that personally taking care of your family's medical needs, might more than likely result in negatively affecting your personal relationship to them eventually.

In fact, even taking care of your family members in situations where this is really required (i.e. emergencies), may be totally weird (in the aftermath) or result in non-optimum care for other reasons.

So generally spoken, you would normally want to refer your family members to a specialist-even if the required care/theraphy/procedure should be absolutely within the scope of your own practice-for example, I've personally witnessed a seasoned G/S attending gross out when her 14 months old's head lac (minor) got sutured.

Likewise, consider the issues of possible malpractice: your objectivity would be totally lost in such situations-however when you aren't exclusively responsible for your family's medical care, but mainly rather function as some sort of personal "medical advisor", you could really enrich not only the medical care they receive, but also the relationship to them.
So, whenever possible you should at most want to observe the care your loved ones receive, and not provide it yourself for the aforementioned reasons. Regardless of your professional background and experience, you may however find yourself incapable of attending procedures performed on your loved ones nonetheless.

Apart from that, if you're still into being your own family's PCP regardless of (or possibly even due to?) all this, make sure not to tell your colleagues about that, otherwise they'll inevitably imagine you routinely performing pelvics on your mom or granny as a hobby...

HTH
 
Just a curiosity question guys...

I'm a premed interviewing for the 07' cycle and subsequently thinking about specialties. I'm very interested in Anesthesiology (among other things) but I've always had this desire to be the primary care doc for my family.

After being in private practice for a few years to what extent do you feel able to treat your immediate family?

Thanks for the indulgence.


I provide a walk-in type clinic service for my nurses in my preop area......colds, some med refills, uti, pharyngitis, etc........I actually diagnosed one with a 95% LAD lesion which I referred IMMEDIATELY...she got stented the next day.


So, I have no problems with some primary care.

But, I make it clear to them that I DO NOT:

1) write for narcotics
2) do pelvic and rectal exams
3) and no Breast exams....well....maybe, one or 2 exceptions.
 
I provide a walk-in type clinic service for my nurses in my preop area......colds, some med refills, uti, pharyngitis, etc........I actually diagnosed one with a 95% LAD lesion which I referred IMMEDIATELY...she got stented the next day.


So, I have no problems with some primary care.

But, I make it clear to them that I DO NOT:

1) write for narcotics
2) do pelvic and rectal exams
3) and no Breast exams....well....maybe, one or 2 exceptions.

I hope 2 exceptions. If I was a woman and you examined only one of my breasts I think I'd feel slighted. :laugh:
 
Well, how comfortable would you feel if your mom/dad/sister/brother/daugther etc. performed a rectal on you?

GREAT posts guys; all were really insightful. Thanks so much.

HOWEVER, just so you don't all think I'm some freak that wants to get a look at his mother’s cervix; I'm a married premed. When I said immediate family I was referring to my wife and future children. Sorry for the confusion...:laugh:
 
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GREAT posts guys; all were really insightful. Thanks so much.

HOWEVER, just so you don't all think I'm some freak that wants to get a look at his mother’s cervix; I'm a married premed. When I said immediate family I was referring to my wife and future children. Sorry for the confusion...:laugh:
 
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Just a curiosity question guys...

I'm a premed interviewing for the 07' cycle and subsequently thinking about specialties. I'm very interested in Anesthesiology (among other things) but I've always had this desire to be the primary care doc for my family.

After being in private practice for a few years to what extent do you feel able to treat your immediate family?

Thanks for the indulgence.

The bureaucrats who run the state medical board and state narcotics board will yank your licence for writing scrips to family members.

Most states medical boards send out send out a quarterly newsletter that usually have an example of a physician being disciplined for prescribing to family members. The bureaucrats don't only care whether you prescribe narcotics to your family. I have seen physicians disciplined for prescribing antibiotics to family members.

It is unethical to have a sexual relationship with a patient so to treat your wife is breaking the law. Don't give the government a reason to take your licence away from you have worked to hard to get it; you can not expect any sympathy or understanding from the government bureaucrats.
 
For all of the reasons already mentioned, being a PCP for your family is a no no.

I know the laws about prescribing for family change a little bit by state, but I have been told never write for your family or for your self.

Since you mentioned that you are in the application process a word of advice. . . don't mention or even allude to anything about wanting to be a PCP for your family. The admissions people will take it as a sign that you better take a year or two before you gain admission to medical school to get a better understanding of the medical profession and what being a doctor really means.
 
I did hear one funny story about writing for family.

A family medicine resident was married and his wife ran out of her birth control pills.

It was a Sunday afternoon and she could not get ahold of her PCP for a refill.

The resident initially refused to write her a refill for them, but she told him that either he write the prescription, or she was going to stop taking them for good. She is also a lawyer, I think there is a lesson here somewhere about getting involved with an attorney.
 
hey,

Just stopping by and noticed this message. My mom is a family doc and of course, she always removed splinters for me, wrote me some scripts if it was urgent, that kind of thing. But she will not be 'the doctor' for any of my family members - that can put you into some very difficult situations.

For example, her sister (my aunt)'s fiance hadn't been to see a doctor in 20 years, and said he would get healthcare only if my mom would be his doctor. She agreed reluctantly to see him, and it turned out he was an alcoholic and no one knew about it including my aunt. My mom made him go into rehab, where he went into the DT's, spent 3 weeks in the ICU, almost died. That is a rotten situation to be in.

Even if your family doesn't have any weird skeletons in the closet, it's just a bad idea to mix business with your personal life. I do a testicular exam on my boyfriend every once in a while because he gets worried about cancer, and it's kind of unfortunate to feel like we're medicalizing our relationship. But of course I'd rather do it than have him get cancer! I think the bottom line is that sometimes you can help your family out by being the doc, like filling out health forms, or bringing them home a flu shot, or piercing your daughter's ears (my mom did mine a couple of times).... or even doing little things like suturing lacerations or removing funny looking moles if you know how... my mom gets worried about us getting skin cancer and so she has a policy that if we ask whether it looks funny, she removes it. But I'm really glad she is not my doctor. That wouldn't be the best thing for me or for her. At least when your parents are doctors they know who the other good doctors are and you can go see a friend of theirs who does a good job, then you'll feel comfortable that they are in good hands.

I'm not too worried you'll make the wrong career choice though, because once you go on rotations you'll know whether you can handle doing primary care as a job - it's a difficult job, and I doubt anyone would do it just so that they could be the doc for their family. All the drug seekers and people with metabolic syndrome etc. are what you have to see on a daily basis.
 
I provide a walk-in type clinic service for my nurses in my preop area......colds, some med refills, uti, pharyngitis, etc........I actually diagnosed one with a 95% LAD lesion which I referred IMMEDIATELY...she got stented the next day.


So, I have no problems with some primary care.

But, I make it clear to them that I DO NOT:

1) write for narcotics
2) do pelvic and rectal exams
3) and no Breast exams....well....maybe, one or 2 exceptions.

My thoughts are:
1. you may be competent, but you are still practicing outside your scope (unless you did internal medicine or something)
2. I hope you are keeping legit medical records on these patients (current meds, SOAP note, etc)
3. you are one Stevens-Johnson Syndrome case away from a world of hurt. The hospital insurer wouldn't even know your name...
4. I don't think it's a big deal but this convenience to your coworkers is a liability for you.
 
My thoughts are:
1. you may be competent, but you are still practicing outside your scope (unless you did internal medicine or something)
2. I hope you are keeping legit medical records on these patients (current meds, SOAP note, etc)
3. you are one Stevens-Johnson Syndrome case away from a world of hurt. The hospital insurer wouldn't even know your name...
4. I don't think it's a big deal but this convenience to your coworkers is a liability for you.

How is doing a "walk-in clinic" outside the scope of a licensed physician?....the requirement that any "walk-in clinic" employer requires...a MD....and a license...which requires one of Post-graduate training in the vast majority of states.


And yes, it is a liability for me...but I choose to trust the people who I take care of....and the people I take care of trust me.......My outlook on people may burn me, but that's me...I'm not the paranoid...everyone is out to get me...kind of guy....
 
I was looking at it from a medico-legal standpoint. A walk-in clinic is not something that an anesthesiologist typically does. So I'm picturing the scenario when you are faced with a bad outcome and you are explaining the scope of your practice (vs. the typical anesthesia scope of practice) to people that don't understand that a walk-in clinic is something that any MD can do...
 
I was looking at it from a medico-legal standpoint. A walk-in clinic is not something that an anesthesiologist typically does. So I'm picturing the scenario when you are faced with a bad outcome and you are explaining the scope of your practice (vs. the typical anesthesia scope of practice) to people that don't understand that a walk-in clinic is something that any MD can do...

As I said, I trust the people I take care of....and the people I care of trusts me.

Bad things happen whether you do the right thing or not....I try to do the right thing....

And if you can run a medical ICU, you can take care of colds and sniffles.
 
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