United health care ceo shot dead

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I could be wrong (ask my wife) given the huge amount of data and open targeting of the individual it seems to be taking a while to find this guy.
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I feel about as much sympathy for this CEO as I do when cartel/mafia members get shot. Violence is bad, but you worked for a cartel.

If he was found and pleaded insanity and I was on the jury I'd vote for insanity, using health insurance especially with a sick family requiring multiple procedures/infusions has driven me insane, his insanity was just to a much higher degree and he's a violent person
 
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When it happened, I told my wife it was prob a pissed policy holder family member which is a terrible precedence.

But denials keeps getting worse. I have a good friend who came to my Er with 1st episode abd pain and diagnosed with gallstones. We had everything set up for surgery and they denied it saying it was a pre-existing condition. So now she is stuck to prove she never knew she had gallstones before they approve. How is she supposed to prove a negative?
 
pgg said:
And apparently he stayed at a hostel with two roommates the night before.

Yup. Dude rooms with strangers the night before, strolls around one of the most security-camera-dense cities on the planet without a mask (in a era when mask wearing is still socially unremarkable), and uses a malfunctioning gun. "Profesional hit!" Stupid media.
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Gun is thought to be a B&T station six which requires manually cycling of ammunition. He also used a fake NJ ID at his hostel check. He put some real thought into this. More than most criminals for sure.
 
pgg said:
And apparently he stayed at a hostel with two roommates the night before.

Yup. Dude rooms with strangers the night before, strolls around one of the most security-camera-dense cities on the planet without a mask (in a era when mask wearing is still socially unremarkable), and uses a malfunctioning gun. "Profesional hit!" Stupid media.
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I mean the "hit" worked, his target is dead. You should know...we call that a success in the military.
 
Who cares if the guy is a pro or not? The take that the guy was some bumbling clown that happened to pull off a hit on a major insurance executive in midtown manhattan and STILL has not been found is bad and dumb.
 
JOHNBROCHILL said:
Gun is thought to be a B&T station six which requires manually cycling of ammunition. He also used a fake NJ ID at his hostel check. He put some real thought into this. More than most criminals for sure.
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Maybe but I'm sort of skeptical of that.

It's potato-quality video but I don't think there's any twist motion to him manually cycling it. He slapped the back at one point too which is an odd maneuver for a bolt style action. Whatever it is, it's not functioning smoothly and reliably which is flag #1 that this guy is an amateur. Pros don't go to jobs with broken guns.

And he left live rounds at the scene. A manual bolt pistol working normally doesn't drop rounds on the ground. That's what happens when you clear malfunctions.

I know some outlets are reporting that police think it might be a Welrod or a modern version of it. Maybe it is. But that's kind of an obscure gun, even if it's just a modern replica of it. And if it is, then it's a NFA item and 100% of them are registered. There can't be that many of them out there. Makes it FAR easier to get a list of suspects.

If it really is a B&T Station Six then I think he's even dumber for using such a traceable gun. Any cheap 9mm semiauto with a cheap can and cheap subsonic ammunition is Hollywood quiet and functions reliably.

It's so much easier for me to believe it's just some guy with a semi auto 9mm with a homemade can that isn't functioning properly.

And the hostel fake ID? JFC don't stay anywhere or interact with anyone. You know where the victim is going to be. Get a good night sleep in NJ and show up in the city that morning a couple hours early.
 
MirrorTodd said:
I mean the "hit" worked, his target is dead. You should know...we call that a success in the military.
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Amateurs can be successful and still be amateurs. Most crimes, including capital crimes, go unsolved.

I'm just saying I find it far more likely that this was just a normal-ish guy acting alone than some kind of "professional" hit done for hire. I think the media's floating this professional hit conspiracy theory because it's dramatic and clickbaity.

I think when he gets caught we're going to (shockingly!) find out it wasn't actually some shadowy expert marksman underworld killer-for-hire using a broken $multi-thousand NFA firearm who rode into town on a bus a week early and flirted with a clerk at a hostel while avoiding his roommates.
 
Look he made no effort to cover his tracks his face is all over the place.
If you spend your professional life hurting people for money do not be surprised if no one wants to help you.
10 to 1 beers were lifted to him throughout the country.
 
Vigilante justice isn’t right…. But what about when there is no justice. At what point does vigilante justice become justified? When the system is broken and run by the corrupt?

It’s possible this was an inside job from uhc - maybe someone didnt want him to start speaking about the doj insider trading investigation - easy to make it look like a disgruntled patient or family member.
 
The shooter was a coward and nothing to celebrate.

How would you feel if someone killed a colleague because the patient felt like they had bad care and you are overpayed? Don't sit there and think this couldn't happen to you given the rise in violence against healthcare professionals.

Who knows what this guys motives were. I doubt it was as virtuous as what people are hoping it was. All i see is a cowardly murderer.
 
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WEBB PINKERTON said:
The shooter was a coward and nothing to celebrate.

How would you feel if someone killed a colleague because the patient felt like they had bad care and you are overpayed? Don't sit there and think this couldn't happen to you given the rise in violence against healthcare professionals.

Who knows what this guys motives were. I doubt it was as virtuous as what people are hoping it was. All i see is a cowardly murderer.
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This is kinda what happens, historically speaking, when there is massive wealth inequality and people start feeling hopeless about their lives...
 
WEBB PINKERTON said:
The shooter was a coward and nothing to celebrate.

How would you feel if someone killed a colleague because the patient felt like they had bad care and you are overpayed? Don't sit there and think this couldn't happen to you given the rise in violence against healthcare professionals.

Who knows what this guys motives were. I doubt it was as virtuous as what people are hoping it was. All i see is a cowardly murderer.
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Last I checked none of us here operate in such a friendly legal environment that these companies do.
There is practically no legal recourse against these companies.
 
WEBB PINKERTON said:
The shooter was a coward and nothing to celebrate.

How would you feel if someone killed a colleague because the patient felt like they had bad care and you are overpayed? Don't sit there and think this couldn't happen to you given the rise in violence against healthcare professionals.

Who knows what this guys motives were. I doubt it was as virtuous as what people are hoping it was. All i see is a cowardly murderer.
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I agree that we should wait and see the full story, but...

It appears this guy or this guy's family was affected by the denial of care for he or his family by UHC. The decisions leading to this denial are overseen by this CEO, from afar and without having to face the patients or their families. I don't advocate for murder, but the shooter actually intercepted this man in person and pulled the trigger multiple times. If there's a coward in this story it's the CEO.
 
centdoc said:
We need to start a gofundme page to raise fund to pay the shooter’s legal bills.
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That's some sick s**t right there...keep lowering the bar for justifiable murder. Wound infections? Perioperative strokes/MI's, prolonged ICU stays, deaths?...rationalize irrational, delusional acts? Glad I'm retiring soon....
 
VA Hopeful Dr said:
This is kinda what happens, historically speaking, when there is massive wealth inequality and people start feeling hopeless about their lives...
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Can you hear the people sing? Singing the song of angry men?
It is the music of the people who will not be slaves again!
When the beating of your heart, echoes the beating of the drums, there is a life about to start when tomorrow comes!
 
Teillard said:
That's some sick s**t right there...keep lowering the bar for justifiable murder. Wound infections? Perioperative strokes/MI's, prolonged ICU stays, deaths?...rationalize irrational, delusional acts? Glad I'm retiring soon....
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This guy was responsible for the deaths of countless people. Glad I’m retiring soon, too.
 
amyl said:
Can you hear the people sing? Singing the song of angry men?
It is the music of the people who will not be slaves again!
When the beating of your heart, echoes the beating of the drums, there is a life about to start when tomorrow comes!
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For some reason, that reminds me of this classic scene:

 
amyl said:
Can you hear the people sing? Singing the song of angry men?
It is the music of the people who will not be slaves again!
When the beating of your heart, echoes the beating of the drums, there is a life about to start when tomorrow comes!
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This is a pretty accurate depiction of the sentiment of the American people if you read any comment threads or general message boards. Lots of hatred towards these companies and their associated leadership.
 
pgg said:
Amateurs can be successful and still be amateurs. Most crimes, including capital crimes, go unsolved.

I'm just saying I find it far more likely that this was just a normal-ish guy acting alone than some kind of "professional" hit done for hire. I think the media's floating this professional hit conspiracy theory because it's dramatic and clickbaity.

I think when he gets caught we're going to (shockingly!) find out it wasn't actually some shadowy expert marksman underworld killer-for-hire using a broken $multi-thousand NFA firearm who rode into town on a bus a week early and flirted with a clerk at a hostel while avoiding his roommates.
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Agreed.
 
Reading all of these bat s**t crazy justifications for cold blooded murder in the name of income equality and justice by a group of 1%'ers is surreal. About as rational as the Reign of Terror....
 
Teillard said:
Reading all of these bat s**t crazy justifications for cold blooded murder in the name of income equality and justice by a group of 1%'ers is surreal. About as rational as the Reign of Terror....
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Loosen your grip on those pearls.

He's any unsympathetic victim, that's all. No one's condoning murder.
 
pgg said:
Loosen your grip on those pearls.

He's any unsympathetic victim, that's all. No one's condoning murder.
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Yeah, in no way is murder a good thing, but the pearl clutching around these parts is a sight to behold. Some among us are just shocked and offended, but I imagine the unjustified and undignified deaths of other humans barely registers with them on the daily, but this particular one does. I am so curious as to why? From a social science perspective, I feel like this needs to be studied.
 
If I were murdered, I am certain that much less resources would be devoted to finding the killer. Police actually have no duty/obligation to protect and serve. The police are choosing to go after this particular individual because he murdered a high-profile individual. The world is a fvcked up place.
 
Guillemot said:
If I were murdered, I am certain that much less resources would be devoted to finding the killer.
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Rest assured that, if you were murdered, I would work tirelessly to ensure the culprit (or culprits) were brought to justice using the full weight of the American justice system. This, my friend, is a vow I make to you. You should waste not a moment further considering this issue. Your killers will feel my wrath. In fact, I’m a little pissed off just writing this message, at the mere thought that this person (or persons) would even consider causing you harm. They had no right to hypothetically snuff out the life of someone with so much left to give. Mark my words. I will avenge you and your hypothetical death shall not have hypothetically been in vain.


*note-if this comes to fruition, I will eventually need your real name and to have your next of kin contact me to begin the process. 🙂
 
Gern Blansten said:
Rest assured that, if you were murdered, I would work tirelessly to ensure the culprit (or culprits) were brought to justice using the full weight of the American justice system. This, my friend, is a vow I make to you. You should waste not a moment further considering this issue. Your killers will feel my wrath. In fact, I’m a little pissed off just writing this message, at the mere thought that this person (or persons) would even consider causing you harm. They had no right to hypothetically snuff out the life of someone with so much left to give. Mark my words. I will avenge you and your hypothetical death shall not have hypothetically been in vain.


*note-if this comes to fruition, I will eventually need your real name and to have your next of kin contact me to begin the process. 🙂
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Teillard said:
Reading all of these bat s**t crazy justifications for cold blooded murder in the name of income equality and justice by a group of 1%'ers is surreal. About as rational as the Reign of Terror....
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I don’t think anyone is justifying murder, but there is a deep anger in this country at growing wealth disparity and a system that feels rigged. Our current healthcare system is a particularly expensive, giant steaming pile of garbage.

Also…according to Google, you need to have a household net worth $13.6 million to be in the top 1%. The top 1% of wage earners is about $786k per year. As you are probably aware, wage and wealth are two separate measurements. To make it into the top 2%, you need to have a household net worth of $2.7 million. Most anesthesiologists probably make it to the top 2%. A few will make the top 1% late in their career. Economic markers don’t always correlate to the sentiment of the people. By all measures, our economy is strong with continued growth and plenty of jobs. However, we continue to see populist political movements from both the right and left side of the political spectrum make the same arguments about the inherent problems in our economic system. Is it a sense of entitlement from the masses or is there some truth to the underlying sentiment?
 
I currently have very good insurance (probably the second best health insurance plan ever) next to my true academics state plan I had 10 years ago.

Dependent had ER visit and the plan paid $12k to the facility no questions asked (super bill was $20k).

But I see the EM doc (3rd party) bill is $1000 and being denied claim.

It’s ridiculous for insurers to automatically pay out to the big AHA no questions asked. And than deny deny deny to medical providers.

I’m sure EM doc (private group not managed corp owned) will get paid. But the hospital always gets paid and paid a lot.
 
The villainization of the rich is getting ridiculous. You could literally say the same about most CEOs of companies.

Hell, working in the ER, there have been many patients pissed at me for not feeding their drug habits. I could easily pissed off the wrong person and take me out after the end of my shift.
 
centdoc said:
This guy was responsible for the deaths of countless people. Glad I’m retiring soon, too.
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By that standard there should be blood running in the streets of
NumTacos said:
Yeah, in no way is murder a good thing, but the pearl clutching around these parts is a sight to behold. Some among us are just shocked and offended, but I imagine the unjustified and undignified deaths of other humans barely registers with them on the daily, but this particular one does. I am so curious as to why? From a social science perspective, I feel like this needs to be studied.
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The cognitive dissonance on this thread is pretty unbelievable. Talk about 'pearl clutching'. The US medical system spends twice the money on inpatient care than other developed countries and physicians here earn at least twice that of their colleagues around the world. And outcomes don't justify any of that. But sanctimonious hypocrites hold their noses as they accept the money that people like Brian Thompson pay them. Why wait for a single payor system? Why have the ASA run interference with Anthem so rich anesthesiologists can have their cake and eat it too, all the while savoring a dude being shot in the back in NYC? Put up or shut up. The lack of self awareness shown here by some posters is really extraordinary.
 
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Teillard said:
By that standard there should be blood running in the streets of

The cognitive dissonance on this thread is pretty unbelievable. Talk about 'pearl clutching'. The US medical system spends twice the money on inpatient care than other developed countries and physicians here earn at least twice that of their colleagues around the world. And outcomes don't justify any of that. But sanctimonious hypocrites hold their noses as they accept the money that people like Brian Thompson pay them. Why wait for a single payor system? Why have the ASA run interference with Anthem so rich anesthesiologists can have their cake and eat it too, all the while savoring a dude being shot in the back in NYC? Put up or shut up. The lack of self awareness shown here by some posters is really extraordinary.
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Teillard said:
By that standard there should be blood running in the streets of

The cognitive dissonance on this thread is pretty unbelievable. Talk about 'pearl clutching'. The US medical system spends twice the money on inpatient care than other developed countries and physicians here earn at least twice that of their colleagues around the world. And outcomes don't justify any of that. But sanctimonious hypocrites hold their noses as they accept the money that people like Brian Thompson pay them. Why wait for a single payor system? Why have the ASA run interference with Anthem so rich anesthesiologists can have their cake and eat it too, all the while savoring a dude being shot in the back in NYC? Put up or shut up. The lack of self awareness shown here by some posters is really extraordinary.
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Welcome to the revolution brother.
 
emergentmd said:
The villainization of the rich is getting ridiculous. You could literally say the same about most CEOs of companies.

Hell, working in the ER, there have been many patients pissed at me for not feeding their drug habits. I could easily pissed off the wrong person and take me out after the end of my shift.
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You shouldn't be surprised that people are starting to take "eat the rich" seriously. What did you think was gonna happen when inequality stacks up and up and up? Doesn't matter that we're in a first world country. Eventually the downtrodden realize there are more of them than b/millionaires and start fighting back.
 
Teillard said:
By that standard there should be blood running in the streets of

The cognitive dissonance on this thread is pretty unbelievable. Talk about 'pearl clutching'. The US medical system spends twice the money on inpatient care than other developed countries and physicians here earn at least twice that of their colleagues around the world. And outcomes don't justify any of that. But sanctimonious hypocrites hold their noses as they accept the money that people like Brian Thompson pay them. Why wait for a single payor system? Why have the ASA run interference with Anthem so rich anesthesiologists can have their cake and eat it too, all the while savoring a dude being shot in the back in NYC? Put up or shut up. The lack of self awareness shown here by some posters is really extraordinary.
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Stop projecting your anger regarding the fact that CRNAs can’t pretend to be doctors into a discussion about the healthcare insurance industry.
 
MirrorTodd said:
You shouldn't be surprised that people are starting to take "eat the rich" seriously. What did you think was gonna happen when inequality stacks up and up and up? Doesn't matter that we're in a first world country. Eventually the downtrodden realize there are more of them than b/millionaires and start fighting back.
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I get it but the UHC CEO was just a figurehead and didn't directly touch that guy's family's health. If not him, there are an endless line that would want that job.

Sadly, being rich and figurehead of any company comes with it the risk of being targeted.

Just like an NFL back up qb, better to be a VP making 5M/yr than a CEO making 10M with a target on your back.

I mean, that guy took out the CEO in a planned attack. If he really wanted to inflict max pain, he could have taken out the wife, kids.... How about the kid's school?

Its a crazy world we live in now.
 
emergentmd said:
I get it but the UHC CEO was just a figurehead and didn't directly touch that guy's family's health. If not him, there are an endless line that would want that job.

Sadly, being rich and figurehead of any company comes with it the risk of being targeted.

Just like an NFL back up qb, better to be a VP making 5M/yr than a CEO making 10M with a target on your back.

I mean, that guy took out the CEO in a planned attack. If he really wanted to inflict max pain, he could have taken out the wife, kids.... How about the kid's school?

Its a crazy world we live in now.
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Agreed. Although I'm sure some CEO positions are higher risk than others.
 
Gonio5 said:
As far as CEO risk, recently the CEO of Rheinmetall in Germany was the target of an assassination attempt by the Russians. Rheinmetall makes artillery shells and weapons used in Ukraine.
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If Putin wants you dead, you will be dead. Poor guy.
 
Teillard said:
By that standard there should be blood running in the streets of

The cognitive dissonance on this thread is pretty unbelievable. Talk about 'pearl clutching'. The US medical system spends twice the money on inpatient care than other developed countries and physicians here earn at least twice that of their colleagues around the world. And outcomes don't justify any of that. But sanctimonious hypocrites hold their noses as they accept the money that people like Brian Thompson pay them. Why wait for a single payor system? Why have the ASA run interference with Anthem so rich anesthesiologists can have their cake and eat it too, all the while savoring a dude being shot in the back in NYC? Put up or shut up. The lack of self awareness shown here by some posters is really extraordinary.
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Ok murse 🙄
 
emergentmd said:
I get it but the UHC CEO was just a figurehead and didn't directly touch that guy's family's health. If not him, there are an endless line that would want that job.

Sadly, being rich and figurehead of any company comes with it the risk of being targeted.

Just like an NFL back up qb, better to be a VP making 5M/yr than a CEO making 10M with a target on your back.

I mean, that guy took out the CEO in a planned attack. If he really wanted to inflict max pain, he could have taken out the wife, kids.... How about the kid's school?
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But he didn't do those things.

If he did, he'd be universally hated. There wouldn't be any popcorn getting popped. We'd be doing another round of the gun control vs mental health master-debation cycle, not talking about how absurd and awful US healthcare insurance system is. There wouldn't be any dark jokes about whether the CEO's lead levels might have been elevated prior to the injury and therefore disqualified him for care because it was a pre-existing condition.

And if grandma had wheels ...

emergentmd said:
Its a crazy world we live in now.
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It sure is.

But let's be realistic - I'm exactly 0% more worried today about getting targeted for assassination for my role in healthcare than I was a month ago. Let's not get carried away and pretend that this event and the public's reaction is some kind of sea change in the risks we or anyone else in the healthcare or insurance industry faces.

We're not on the edge of staging the French revolution here and cutting off the heads of rich people.
 
emergentmd said:
I get it but the UHC CEO was just a figurehead and didn't directly touch that guy's family's health. If not him, there are an endless line that would want that job.
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I don’t really buy this. Sure, UHG has a business model and a culture and a mission statement and this guy was just playing along… but on some level, a CEO makes decisions. We’ve all read the grapes of wrath. Sure, the “bank” foreclosed on the farms, but “banks are comprised of men.”
 
cchoukal said:
I don’t really buy this. Sure, UHG has a business model and a culture and a mission statement and this guy was just playing along… but on some level, a CEO makes decisions. We’ve all read the grapes of wrath. Sure, the “bank” foreclosed on the farms, but “banks are comprised of men.”
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No raindrop thinks it's responsible for the flood.
 
cchoukal said:
I don’t really buy this. Sure, UHG has a business model and a culture and a mission statement and this guy was just playing along… but on some level, a CEO makes decisions. We’ve all read the grapes of wrath. Sure, the “bank” foreclosed on the farms, but “banks are comprised of men.”
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Currently rereading The Grapes of Wrath and it’s amazing how applicable it’s themes still are.
 
When it comes to “eat the rich,” just remember that the class of people most likely to do this sees us evil doctors as the rich. Revolutions kill the kings and then they come for the nobles. We are seen as nobility not as blue collar average joes. I know we view ourselves as the poor folk. Anyone remember that doc killed in Houston riding his bike?
 
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