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major props to Penn for coming in second..hopkins falling to 3...stanford falling out of top 10...Mt. Sinai making a huge jump every year to become top-20 at 18...watch out for mt. sinai its a rising star in the years to come...emory is back at top-20...case western enters top-20..and baylor with a MAJOR fall to be at 24 (it was once top 10)..and Mayo Medical School supposedly goes unranked (they may not have filled out the surveys)

1 - Harvard
2 - UPenn
3 - Hopkins
4 - California SF
4 - WUSTL
6 - Duke
6 - Michigan Ann Arbor
6 - Washington
6 - Yale
10 - Columbia
11 - Stanford
11 - UCLA
13 - Chicago
14 - Pittsburgh
15 - Vanderbilt
16 - Cornell
16 - UCSD
18 - Mount Sinai
18 - Northwestern
20 - Case Western
20 - Emory
20 - UNC Chapel Hill
20 - UTexas Southwestern Medical Center
24 - Baylor
25 - Virginia
 
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anyone notice any other significant changes for this year??
 
your powers of observations fail you my friend =)
 
topsurgeon2010 said:
anyone notice any other significant changes for this year??
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All the Michigan people are prly all tellin their friends how theyre gna go to a top 10 med school now
 
haha, I didn't think anybody paid any attention to this inaccurate rank....
 
Yeah, I've noticed now schools are ranked all way down to 89.
 
Did they build this ranking specifically for Harvard? 100 points and Penn has 81 and is 2nd...
 
I thought Mayo was considered a really good school... unranked..? Didn't even apply there, just curious.

These 'rankings' don't mean much to me, regardless.
 
Zona Pellucida said:
I thought Mayo was considered a really good school... unranked..? Didn't even apply there, just curious.

These 'rankings' don't mean much to me, regardless.
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only schools that release their data to them get ranked, i think.


"RNP: the school's rank is not published by U.S. News and they are listed alphabetically. Unranked: the school did not supply enough information to U.S. News to calculate a ranking. Schools without a numeric ranking are listed alphabetically with those schools supplying enough information to calculate a ranking coming before those schools that did not."
 
It is nice being in the Top Ten, even with the realization that this is all very silly and much ado about nothing. Oh, well, my parents will be proud at commencement next year. Good job, Mom!
 
Can anyone explain if there is any significance to the primary care rankings?? Like is that only based on how many kids go into primary care...or something like overall clinical training/strength
 
alibai3ah said:
Can anyone explain if there is any significance to the primary care rankings?? Like is that only based on how many kids go into primary care...or something like overall clinical training/strength
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You can look up their methodology. Has nothing to do with clinical training or strength. The research rankings aren't about that either.
 
dingyibvs said:
only schools that release their data to them get ranked, i think.


"RNP: the school's rank is not published by U.S. News and they are listed alphabetically. Unranked: the school did not supply enough information to U.S. News to calculate a ranking. Schools without a numeric ranking are listed alphabetically with those schools supplying enough information to calculate a ranking coming before those schools that did not."
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Makes sense. Thanks 👍
 
This might be a stupid question but why do the UC schools have $0 for in-state tuition?
 
jbz24 said:
You can look up their methodology. Has nothing to do with clinical training or strength. The research rankings aren't about that either.
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O hmm....so the advantage of the going to a highly ranked research school is more research opportunities. What would you say is the advantage of going to a highly ranked primary care school? Sorry the methodology page didn't help with that.
 
Baylor at 24!!! WTF they used to be like #5. And UTSW...should be in the top 10; UTSW is def. a top notch medical school, with prestigious faculty, tremendous acuity, and arguably one of the best teaching hospital in the nation. Amazing for research too. UTSW does not belong at 20 at all. I also agree that Mt. Sinai is on the rise...also an amazing school and well deserved
 
alibai3ah said:
O hmm....so the advantage of the going to a highly ranked research school is more research opportunities. What would you say is the advantage of going to a highly ranked primary care school? Sorry the methodology page didn't help with that.
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That's one advantage and also better research funding usually means more esteemed faculty who train you and can write letters of recommendations for you. There's no real benefit to going to a highly ranked primary care school, even if you are interested in primary care. That's my opinion though.
 
UTSAPremed said:
Baylor at 24!!! WTF they used to be like #5. And UTSW...should be in the top 10; UTSW is def. a top notch medical school, with prestigious faculty, tremendous acuity, and arguably one of the best teaching hospital in the nation. Amazing for research too. UTSW does not belong at 20 at all. I also agree that Mt. Sinai is on the rise...also an amazing school and well deserved
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There is a methodology, it's based on numbers. Read about it to figure out how the rankings are determined.

jdido09 said:
This might be a stupid question but why do the UC schools have $0 for in-state tuition?
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Tuition is $0. Fees are ~35k.
 
Caesar said:
I still don't understand why people care about this.
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My in state school is always ranked high, but I don't care. These rankings are pretty much fixed, and even if they weren't I still wouldn't care. Bottom line is that you pretty much can't go wrong with any US MD school.
 
chman said:
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My in state school is always ranked high, but I don't care. These rankings are pretty much fixed, and even if they weren't I still wouldn't care. Bottom line is that you pretty much can't go wrong with any US MD school.
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Quoted for truth.
 
This marks the first time that UT Southwestern has ever out ranked BCM in terms of the US News and Report Rankings.

I bet the administrators in Dallas are smiling (even though this is mostly due to problems at BCM) today

I think this has been something that has been a long time coming.

In terms of research,

While Baylor has strong departments (particularly in human genetics and neuroscience) ...

It cannot compete with UT Southwestern in terms of big name faculty members ... this is exemplified when comparing members in HHMI and National Academy of Sciences at the two institutions

I truly believe UTSW should be ranked higher, but it is what it is.
 
Caesar said:
oh, I understand that they CARE, just can't for the life of me see why this matters.
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yeah true..it doesnt matter much for medical schools..but for law schools and business schools the ranking of the school you attend basically determines the rest of your future..thank goodness thats not the case for us because these rankings are extremely subjective...peer assessments are extremely flawed and biased..most people will just give glowing marks to their own schools that they are associated with, their alma mater institution and/or institutions that they are familiar with--there is no way that every single department head that fills out the US News survey can be familiar with every single medical school in the US so most of their answers are based on flawed perception without any knowledge of the school they are grading

now having said all that, whether these rankings are fair or not i must say the rankings do matter to the general public and many pre-meds who are applying..
 
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I like how 24 schools can now tout themselves as "Top 20"
 
A wise man once said,

MilkmanAl said:
I predict the rankings will be just as worthless for anyone not interested in a research career as they always have been. I also predict that pre-meds will continue to quote them as gospel and use them to determine the "best" med school.
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I think that the rankings themselves aren't particularly useful but changes in the rankings can be useful.

Certain parts of the methodology (faculty/student ratio especially) won't change that much. My guess on what changes the most is selectivity, and the peer rankings > pd rankings. I think changes in NIH $ can cause big swings but for the most part it'll be reasonably static except for schools losing/gaining top notch faculty and their grants.
 
While it is quite nice to brag about being highly ranked by US News, most residency programs consider residency director ratings.

But interestingly enough, many of those top ranked schools are also rated highly by residency directors....

I wonder if it is factored in to the US News ranking methodology.

Ahhh well...back to studying

Go UCSD (even though we fell 1 spot) 😀
 
umm...yea this year is BS
 
this will likely sound dumb at this point, but does anyone know where i can find last yrs online? i keep trying to search it online and i keep getting this brand new edition. i'm curious to see the jump of my state school.....i wasn't sure if it was ranked last yr (IIRC, it was unranked) but not suddenly it IS ranked. just wanted to double check.
 
As a medical student, the only thing I care about is how residency directors rate my school's residency applicants. Does anyone have the numbers on residency director rankings for this year? Thanks
 
All those zillion-way ties always bug me. I wish they'd just rank based on total points instead so Duke would be 6th (6th highest point total), Columbia would be 7th (the 7th highest point total), etc. It always seems a little silly to me that you get stuck 5 places lower just cause there are a bunch of schools with the same total.

In other news, counting for the fact that differences between 5-10 spots are negligible...almost nothing happened. And what has happened can't be interpreted. Good ol' UsNews.

Of course, all the SDNers are soapboxing about how useless they are, but I suspect there are some Michigan folk out there that are feeling vindicated, and Penn people that are now thinking about how they overcame a couple of giants, and they're still pretending not to care. Oh and I bet this will affect applications...a LOT.
 
ButImLETired said:
All those zillion-way ties always bug me. I wish they'd just rank based on total points instead so Duke would be 6th (6th highest point total), Columbia would be 7th (the 7th highest point total), etc. It always seems a little silly to me that you get stuck 5 places lower just cause there are a bunch of schools with the same total.
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😕 Aren't all the schools tied for 6th all at "74" on the "research" rankings (Yale, UW, Michigan, Duke)? Or are you talking about some other numbers?
 
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My school is not in the top whatever and I don't really give a damn. Premeds love rankings. In the real world, aside from pursuing research positions, none of your patients care. We had a surgeon from Harvard and one from southern illinois. The SIU guy had better outcomes and was known as the surgeon you'd want to go to. The best radiologist was the NYMC doc and not the Columbia one. Best EM doc was not the Upenn, but the IU. We like to quantitate things because it is easier to organize in our heads. We see that a>b>c>d, but that isn't how it works. I would be miserable at a research big name school. I like that my profs invite us out for cookouts, go out of their way to get you involved in research and then show how to do an IRB (even if they are doing the real one) and I like that my rotations will be just me and the attending (no 4th years, interns, residents ahead of me). My school is ranked low and I don't care because it fits me.
 
My two cents. Rankings matter a little bit.

However, compared to rankings in law and business school, rankings in medicine matter much much much much much much much much much much less.

The beauty of having a shortage of docs 🙂.
 
things definitely look good for UTSW in addition to them getting a new county hospital and in the works of getting a new university hospital
 
hanjg said:
😕 Aren't all the schools tied for 6th all at "74" on the "research" rankings (Yale, UW, Michigan, Duke)? Or are you talking about some other numbers?
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She means those all tied at 77 be ranked as 4, the next group tied at 74 ranked as 5, etc. So a school like Columbia isn't ranked 10th but 6th, because it has the 6th highest rating. Of course, that would make the relative ranking of your school harder to gauge, so people couldn't flaunt their e-peen as easily.
 
Steeler7588 said:
She means those all tied at 77 be ranked as 4, the next group tied at 74 ranked as 5, etc. So a school like Columbia isn't ranked 10th but 6th, because it has the 6th highest rating. Of course, that would make the relative ranking of your school harder to gauge, so people couldn't flaunt their e-peen as easily.
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Got it.


Coffee. I need more coffee.
 
The primary care rankings are completely worthless, but one thing I always thought best summed up their uselessness was how much schools' rankings changed between years. One year a school jumped thirty or forty spots.

While the research rankings don't really indicate much either, I usually find them at least a little valuable in having some correlation with the prestige of a medical school. That schools made very slight changes in rankings, if they did at all, helped reinforce this value for me. But this year there's been some pretty significant movement - Michigan's rise, Baylor's fall - and it makes me question if even the prestige factor of the rankings is being lost?
 
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