2011 D.O. Match Results

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not that i would know, but i would imagine schools will wait for the ACGME match to post individual lists.
 
TouroCOM 46.4% matched. 58.9% participated. A 21% scramble/"better hope ACGME was kind" rate. Great job first graduating class!!

this of course toasts the 40% scramble rate at Touro-CA and the 35% scramble rate at Touro-NV.
 
http://www.natmatch.com/aoairp/schltot.htm

1. MSU-COM 67.1%
2. LMU-DCOM 52.8%
3. PCOM 51.7%
4. WVSOM 50.7%
4. LECOM 50.7%
5. OSU-COM 50.5%

Although the percentages above are informative, I do think they are somewhat misleading because you are not taking into account the number of students entering the allopathic match. Universities with large amounts of Allopathic applicants will have far worse 'appearing' percentages if just listed as is above.

I think a better measuring stick of how each university did during this year's Osteopathic match, would be to view the percentages of "Non-Matched" students at each University in the above link. For example, 1. UNECOM @ 4.9% (35 out of 41 matched)
 
http://www.natmatch.com/aoairp/schltot.htm

1. MSU-COM 67.1%
2. LMU-DCOM 52.8%
3. PCOM 51.7%
4. WVSOM 50.7%
4. LECOM 50.7%
5. OSU-COM 50.5%

These statistics don't really matter much. I know alot of ppl who applied to 2 specialties and were going for competitive specialties in the DO match but at the same time were going for less competitive specialties in the MD match as backups.
 
TouroCOM 46.4% matched. 58.9% participated. A 21% scramble/"better hope ACGME was kind" rate. Great job first graduating class!!

this of course toasts the 40% scramble rate at Touro-CA and the 35% scramble rate at Touro-NV.

Some more schools and their scramble rate. Doing it alphabetically but i gotta go for a bit, so someone pick up where i left off.

ATSU – 16% scramble
DMU – 25.5%
GAPCOM – 34.2%
KCOM – 21.7%
KCUMB – 25%
LECOM – 22.3%
LECOM-BRAD – 19.8%
LMU-DCOM – 20.7%
MSU – 15.7%
 
Some more schools and their scramble rate. Doing it alphabetically but i gotta go for a bit, so someone pick up where i left off.

ATSU – 16% scramble
DMU – 25.5%
GAPCOM – 34.2%
KCOM – 21.7%
KCUMB – 25%
LECOM – 22.3%
LECOM-BRAD – 19.8%
LMU-DCOM – 20.7%
MSU – 15.7%

Are you saying those that didn't match=scramble?
 
Although the percentages above are informative, I do think they are somewhat misleading because you are not taking into account the number of students entering the allopathic match. Universities with large amounts of Allopathic applicants will have far worse 'appearing' percentages if just listed as is above.

I think a better measuring stick of how each university did during this year's Osteopathic match, would be to view the percentages of "Non-Matched" students at each University in the above link. For example, 1. UNECOM @ 4.9% (35 out of 41 matched)

ummm..I think you mean 14.6% unmatched... (6 divided by 41 = 14.6%). The percentage on there is the ratio of unmatched folks to the entire class, even though less than half of most classes entered the match. Kind of a worthless measure if you ask me.

It would take a lot of number crunching to see who was the lowest unmatched. It's actually kind of scary how many people didn't match in the osteopathic match :scared:

Edit: I think MSU-COM has the lowest unmatched (14%), closely followed by UNE-COM.
 
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ummm..I think you mean 14.6% unmatched... (6 divided by 41 = 14.6%). The percentage on there is the ratio of unmatched folks to the entire class, even though less than half of most classes entered the match. Kind of a worthless measure if you ask me.

It would actually take a lot of number crunching to see who was the lowest unmatched. It's actually kind of scary how many people didn't match in the osteopathic match :scared:


Yes, you are absolutely correct. 14.6% is what I meant to say. In my opinion, that is the most accurate way to assess the Osteopathic match However, as mentioned above, that does not take into account those students only going for one spot in the DO match, and then planning on going for backups in the MD match if that one spot doesn't work out. That is obviously different than only entering the DO match and simply not matching.
 
ummm..I think you mean 14.6% unmatched... (6 divided by 41 = 14.6%). The percentage on there is the ratio of unmatched folks to the entire class, even though less than half of most classes entered the match. Kind of a worthless measure if you ask me.

It would actually take a lot of number crunching to see who was the lowest unmatched. It's actually kind of scary how many people didn't match in the osteopathic match :scared:

From my understanding there is alot of "gamesmanship" that the AOA match brings up. Some people who may have FP like statistics will apply for a Derm spot knowing that they are planning on going allopathic FP anyways.

Additionally, I've heard many make a list, say 12 places,to include allopathic and osteopathic places and may only rank 1 or 2 places in their chosen specialty since the other 10 places they desire are in the allopathic world.
 
In my opinion, that is the most accurate way to assess the Osteopathic match However, as mentioned above, that does not take into account those students only going for one spot in the DO match, and then planning on going for backups in the MD match if that one spot doesn't work out.

I would agree
 
Are you saying those that didn't match=scramble?

no. this is the number of AOA scrambles (so applied and didnt get a spot)/ number of AOA applicants.

And while yes, there is a gamesmanship of people who may apply for DO derm and optho even though they likely dont qualify when they really want ACGME IM.

I will admit that happens. But correct me if I'm wrong, but that cannot possibly be more than a few people per class. Especially given that if you scramble on the ACGME after that move you're really in deep doodoo (yes i said doodoo). So yea, while I cant go and measure out who was doing the AOA match 'hipster style' (aka ironically), can we assume that the rate of such people is 1) small and 2) probably equal across the schools. So its not a factor we need to adjust for, beyond just admitting that its a possibility.
 
Here is the list of all the schools based on how many AOA applicants DID NOT match. As is stated in previous comments, the most ideal measurement would take into account how many people registered for the AOA match without any intention of actually getting it. Since that fact is impossible to garner, the measurement of % of applicants who scrambled is the best we can do. Plus, i think its safe to assume that the number of people applying to the AOA as a 'joke' of sorts is pretty low and equal (roughly) among all schools, so i'm going to consider it a factor we dont have to compensate for.

The only note I have is that UNECOM had a really low rate of applicants to the AOA. But still, good for them, because those few people matched very efficiently.


UNECOM – 14%
MSU – 15.7%
ATSU – 16%
WVSOM – 16.1%
MWU-CCOM – 16.7%
PCOM – 17.1%
LECOM-BRAD – 19.8%
LMU-DCOM – 20.7%
OSU – 20.7%
TouroNY - 21.2% (first class to match. wooo. good showing)
KCOM – 21.7%
LECOM – 22.3%
OUCOM – 23%
NSU – 24.4%
VCOM – 24.5%
KCUMB – 25%
MWU-AZCOM – 25%
UMDNJ – 25%
DMU – 25.5%
UNTHSCT – 26.9%
NYCOM – 27.5%
GAPCOM – 34.2%
TouroNV – 35.1%
WESTUCOMP – 38.1%
TouroCA – 40%
 
For comparison, here are 2009's stats (9.3% nonmatched total) and 2010's stats (10.3% non-matched total)
It does look like the unmatched rate is creeping up each year. This is pretty much what you'd expect from the fact that more med students are graduating while the number of residency spots aren't increasing at the same pace.
My sympathies definitely go out to those who did not match. I know how it feels. Just try to remember that it's only a temporary setback. Looking back, there were unexpected silver linings to the road I ended up taking because I didn't match on my first go-around. Things turned out okay in the long run.
 
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no. this is the number of AOA scrambles (so applied and didnt get a spot)/ number of AOA applicants.

And while yes, there is a gamesmanship of people who may apply for DO derm and optho even though they likely dont qualify when they really want ACGME IM.

I will admit that happens. But correct me if I'm wrong, but that cannot possibly be more than a few people per class. Especially given that if you scramble on the ACGME after that move you're really in deep doodoo (yes i said doodoo). So yea, while I cant go and measure out who was doing the AOA match 'hipster style' (aka ironically), can we assume that the rate of such people is 1) small and 2) probably equal across the schools. So its not a factor we need to adjust for, beyond just admitting that its a possibility.

Don't some people also apply AOA and then don't rank any programs, thereby allowing them to continue the ACGME while giving them a back-up by letting them scramble AOA should they not match into ACGME?
 
Don't some people also apply AOA and then don't rank any programs, thereby allowing them to continue the ACGME while giving them a back-up by letting them scramble AOA should they not match into ACGME?

while it think that is possible, i dont think that more than a few people nationwide do this.

the AOA scramble is 30 days before the ACGME. the spots left over would be dismal. You're infinitely better off with the ACGME scramble at that point. Though i can see the logic if you're okay with doing a traditional in the middle of nowhere.
 
TouroCOM 46.4% matched. 58.9% participated. A 21% scramble/"better hope ACGME was kind" rate. Great job first graduating class!!

this of course toasts the 40% scramble rate at Touro-CA and the 35% scramble rate at Touro-NV.

I can tell you being from Touro CA that a high percentage of our students are likely aiming for MD residencies.
 
I can tell you being from Touro CA that a high percentage of our students are likely aiming for MD residencies.

oh i cant discount that. All these numbers represent is the performance in the AOA match and only that match. TouroCA performed poorly in that match BUT... there are very few AOA programs in cali, so your school would be especially likely to have a lot of students aiming for ACGME only. That I am aware of.

53% of your students (which is only a few percent below the highest) didnt even enter the AOA program at all. Still, those who did faired poorly. I guess your school would have the best argument for most poeple who enter it just incase they strike gold in the AOA. but still i, personally, think that number of people is still prob pretty low.
 
53% of your students (which is only a few percent below the highest) didnt even enter the AOA program at all. Still, those who did faired poorly. I guess your school would have the best argument for most poeple who enter it just incase they strike gold in the AOA. but still i, personally, think that number of people is still prob pretty low.

It would seem to me that a low match rate is a sign that a majority of the applicants were probably using the AOA match as a back-up option, mostly due to wanting to match on the west coast, but probably for other reasons as well. The MD match seems to be the major focus for most of the class of 2011 students whom I have been in contact with this year, so I'll be wishing them success and hoping to update this thread with some great results. 🙂
 
It would seem to me that a low match rate is a sign that a majority of the applicants were probably using the AOA match as a back-up option, mostly due to wanting to match on the west coast, but probably for other reasons as well. The MD match seems to be the major focus for most of the class of 2011 students whom I have been in contact with this year, so I'll be wishing them success and hoping to update this thread with some great results. 🙂

While i dont disagree with your analysis. Using the AOA as a backup is a pretty weak analysis. If you match AOA you're in and cannot match ACGME. If you don't match AOA, and wait til the ACGME, there will be no scramble spots left 30 days later, so what is the point of applying AOA?

admittedly this is my analysis of the situation. You may feel that there is reason to apply AOA even if you're really waiting for the ACGME. I say why are you even filing if you're running the risk of actually matching AOA and getting your ACGME attempt wiped out?

Regardless, it is the only way to compare the schools on a value that matters. This is a pretty good (not perfect) measurement of the performance in the AOA match. If your school (as i imagine CA might) focuses on ACGME, then you can admit you did poorly on the AOA match, but *its not your schools focus*. There is no shame in that. But we have to have some sort of metric to compare on, and this seems most valid.
 
Those statistics don't mean a thing. Even the "didn't match," even though those stats are slightly more telling.

They definitely mean a lot. But they aren't everything. It will mean a lot more in perspective of the ACGME match as well, but right now this *only* measures how you performed on the AOA match.

I said before that I dont buy in for a second on that "some people register AOA but dont mean it" nonsense since it realistically cant be a lot of people per school but is probably about the same amount of people per school. And the people who do it are either taking a big risk of matching into something they dont really want to match into, or are wasting their time and energy (and money?) applying when they 1) dont intend to match and 2) wont be able to use that scramble list 30 days after its released. Not given the number of people scrambling who are legit about it. I just dont see "applying but not intending to match" ever happening.

But i do 100% understand that some schools focus on ACGME matches, so the AOA match may not be the state they base their value on. Thats okay. This metric is simply based on the AOA performance, if your student body isnt focused on that, then your values can be put in that perspective. But this is definitely the most valid measurement to be made.

Edit PS: I guess its a little strong to say "i dont believe for a second". But it does seem hard to believe to me that people would really weigh out the options and choose that method more then 'very rarely' and I cant imagine a single school-specific reason that would drive one school to reach that conclusion more often than others.
 
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just curious... is there a limit to the number of specialties you can apply for?
 
These lists are way to early to publish. For starters, not all students are doing the AOA match. A good number of my classmates are doing the allopathic match, there for those results will not be available until after March 15 or whatever day the match is.

To answer the above question, you can rank as many places as your little heart desires. But you can only match to 1 place. And if you plan on doing both the AOA and the AMA match realize this, that once you match into the AOA program, you are automatically pulled from the AMA match.

When you match to a program, this is a binding contract. You have agreed to attend their program for at least 1 year. Therefor you need to make sure that whatever you put on your list, you intend to attend if you match there. That being said, remember that everything costs money. So for the first bunch of programs you list, it is free after that it will cost you per program.

Finally, as stated before, these are very preliminary results and do not reflect those that did not participate in the AOA match so they can participate in the AMA match. Wait one more month for the final results.
 
just curious... is there a limit to the number of specialties you can apply for?

Not that I know of, but why would you??

I have some classmates who applied to multiple specialties, but most of those were folks going for ortho while also ranking some Gen surg spots. I don't know of anyone who applied to more than 2 specialties.
 
Our actual results (sorry, I don't have percentages of who didn't match, etc)

I cannot wait to see my school release a similar doc. Im so curious what our matches were in. All I know is we matched at least one to neurology at, I believe, Bronx-Lebanon. But we were also told by the director there to expect that, so that news isnt new.

I am dying to know how we matched across the boards. I hope everyone tosses their stuff up as it comes.
 
Not that I know of, but why would you??

I have some classmates who applied to multiple specialties, but most of those were folks going for ortho while also ranking some Gen surg spots. I don't know of anyone who applied to more than 2 specialties.
i don't know. i was just asking. i'm not close to applying for residency. just curious.

an earlier post said that some people might apply AOA for derm/optho basically just to see, even though they had a pretty good idea they'd end up in a less competitive field in the AMA match.

congrats to you though, for matching!
 
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Not that I know of, but why would you??

Because of location. Some people know they want to do primary care, but it's more important to end up in NYC, for instance, so they'll apply for FM, IM, and peds in hopes they'll land one of them in NYC. I know a fourth year who is doing this this year in the ACGME match.
 
These lists are way to early to publish. For starters, not all students are doing the AOA match. A good number of my classmates are doing the allopathic match, there for those results will not be available until after March 15 or whatever day the match is.

To answer the above question, you can rank as many places as your little heart desires. But you can only match to 1 place. And if you plan on doing both the AOA and the AMA match realize this, that once you match into the AOA program, you are automatically pulled from the AMA match.

When you match to a program, this is a binding contract. You have agreed to attend their program for at least 1 year. Therefor you need to make sure that whatever you put on your list, you intend to attend if you match there. That being said, remember that everything costs money. So for the first bunch of programs you list, it is free after that it will cost you per program.

Finally, as stated before, these are very preliminary results and do not reflect those that did not participate in the AOA match so they can participate in the AMA match. Wait one more month for the final results.

I am no where near applying for residency but was reading through this forum for information and resource for later on. So for those who want to specialize in an M.D. residency (ACGME), do they even apply for the AOA residencies at all since they'll risk the chance of matching into an AOA and get pulled from the ACGME list? But what happens if you don't even match to the ACGME list at all? what then? 😕
 
I am no where near applying for residency but was reading through this forum for information and resource for later on. So for those who want to specialize in an M.D. residency (ACGME), do they even apply for the AOA residencies at all since they'll risk the chance of matching into an AOA and get pulled from the ACGME list? But what happens if you don't even match to the ACGME list at all? what then? 😕


Well, you don't really "specialize" in a residency, per se.

Remember that the fields of medicine in both are the same. Here is the rule: you only rank programs you'd actually like to go to. If this means zero AOA programs, you skip the AOA match altogether. Lots of people do this.

If you apply poorly for the ACGME match and don't end up with a spot, you can do what is known as "scramble" for a spot. This is a fancy way of saying you and your schools administration calls/faxes/advocates/ all programs that have empty spaces after the match in order to get you somewhere.
This scramble can also occur after the AOA match too if the individual doesn't want ACGME.
 
I am no where near applying for residency but was reading through this forum for information and resource for later on. So for those who want to specialize in an M.D. residency (ACGME), do they even apply for the AOA residencies at all since they'll risk the chance of matching into an AOA and get pulled from the ACGME list? But what happens if you don't even match to the ACGME list at all? what then? 😕

Some may or may not enter the AOA match, just depends on what they want. If you have your heart set on an ACGME spot and wouldn't be happy at any AOA spot then you may not rank any, but if there were a few AOA programs you wouldn't mind being at then rank those and if you match then you match.

And like other have said above, sometimes someone may even apply to a few super competitive AOA spots (dermatology, etc...) that are a reach while realistically going for something like an ACGME IM.

And like what was already said, if you don't match you enter the scramble, which basically means you look up which programs have spots left open and start making calls. The issue with sitting out the AOA match is that if you don't match ACGME then the AOA scramble has already been going on for a month and spots filling up, so you pretty much are looking scrambling for an ACGME spot.
 
while it think that is possible, i dont think that more than a few people nationwide do this.

the AOA scramble is 30 days before the ACGME. the spots left over would be dismal. You're infinitely better off with the ACGME scramble at that point. Though i can see the logic if you're okay with doing a traditional in the middle of nowhere.

This is exactly what I plan to do - Apply to both matches and interview to both AOA and ACGME programs. If I get a good feeling about programs in the ACGME world, I just won't rank any DO programs. I'll look like I failed to match but I will have ranked 0 programs. If I really like something in the DO world, I'll rank them.

I know for a fact that some DO programs wait until after the ACGME match to fill the last of their Scramble spots. Heard that from the guy that runs our GME program not more than a week ago.
 
This is exactly what I plan to do - Apply to both matches and interview to both AOA and ACGME programs. If I get a good feeling about programs in the ACGME world, I just won't rank any DO programs. I'll look like I failed to match but I will have ranked 0 programs. If I really like something in the DO world, I'll rank them.

I know for a fact that some DO programs wait until after the ACGME match to fill the last of their Scramble spots. Heard that from the guy that runs our GME program not more than a week ago.

It sounds like a good back-up plan to me to know that there might still be some DO spots open after the ACGME match. Good luck!
 
Just a 2nd year here, but can anyone tell me if the IM program out of the Berkshires in MA filled? I'm just curious as that's one of the only AOA IM programs in New England.
 
Just a 2nd year here, but can anyone tell me if the IM program out of the Berkshires in MA filled? I'm just curious as that's one of the only AOA IM programs in New England.

UNECOM/BERKSHIRE MEDICAL CENTER - PITTSFIELD. Is that what you're talking about? If so, the IM program is 1 resident. Also, it didnt fill in the match proper as its one spot was listed as still open on the scramble list.

http://www.osteopathic.org/inside-a...g/match-program/Pages/2011-match-results.aspx
 
Yes, that's what I was talking about. One resident? Wow. I didn't know any program had only one resident. And it didn't even fill. That's worrisome.

Is it dual accredited? If so then the 1 spot may be reserved just for AOA applicants, at which point the remaining spots (however many they are) go to ACGME match applicants in a month. Thats what I'd assume for anything that has 1 resident and isnt some super specialty.
 
So does that mean that as a DO, I can apply it for it through the AOA or the ACGME or do I have to apply through the AOA?
 
So does that mean that as a DO, I can apply it for it through the AOA or the ACGME or do I have to apply through the AOA?

You can apply for either. And technically your experience would be slightly different depending on which one you got accepted to. The AOA accepted people do the same program as the ACGME guys but they also have some required OMT training built into *most of them. And you can apply to either end of the dual accredited program.

*= not all. Just speaking generally. This is especially true of primary care dual accredits though.
 
Thanks for the info. I'd like to try my chances with the ACGME match, but I'd love to do residency in the Berkshires. Good to know I can do both.
 
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