2006 VCU Central

[dakotacassidy]

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Unfortunately there is NO moral revelation once they get into medical school.

i know, i was being sarcastic! 😉 i agree wholeheartedly with all that you've said.

 

[christi5784]

I noticed a thread by christi5784 and she has two schools in consideration still. I think some are still deliberating over the schools that they may have gotten into after May 15th - they do have 2 weeks to respond, right?

Yeah, I'm still deciding, sorry guys. I found out about my in-state acceptance on Tuesday, so it hasn't been too long. I'm leaning more toward my state school now just because it is closer and about half less in tuition... Even though I have a major soft spot for VCU...

 

[apps-suck]

hey i just withdrew my acceptance a few days ago (got into uva off waitlist)
good luck you guys

 

[Apparition]

Congrats on UVA apps-suck!

The list hasn't moved in a while now. Is Dr. H away?

Hopefully there's a pile of withdraws piled up during this time.

 

[ShyRem]

An interesting break from the waitlist: I think the stress is getting to me. My son painted the BRAND NEW linen-colored (read this: light light beige - off white) carpet with his drooled over gumballs. The bright blue, red, and yellow spots were all over the freakin' place. Steam cleaning didn't work. I took a pipette and spent over 2 hours treating each individual carpet fiber hoping I wouldn't lighten them too much and make white spots on the carpet. I couldn't even send him to his room 'cuz it was in HIS room that he decided to see if these lovely drooled over gumballs would roll on the new carpet. 😡

The joys of parenting. Yeah. Joys. That's what they call it when you need valium more than you need to breathe. I have a nice white merlot dessert wine in the fridge. The kids are goin' to bed early today. 😡 😡

*breathe* *breathe*

Don't I deserve to get off the waitlist for that alone?

 

[jbone]

Don't I deserve to get off the waitlist for that alone?

Yes you do.

The more I watch ya'll suffer, the better I feel that I am no longer waiting for VCU. I would be going crazy. I hope it all works out but man, the VCU waiting game is LAME A$$!! DR. H, you can quote me. Accept/reject these poor souls already and get it over with. Oh I have a better idea, why don't you just drag them the $%^%$ along then reject them at the last minute. 👎

(this rant was dedicated to Shy and all those who are getting mad as hell. Keep the faith people. 👍 )

 

[goinverted]

Yes you do.

The more I watch ya'll suffer, the better I feel that I am no longer waiting for VCU. I would be going crazy. I hope it all works out but man, the VCU waiting game is LAME A$$!! DR. H, you can quote me. Accept/reject these poor souls already and get it over with. Oh I have a better idea, why don't you just drag them the $%^%$ along then reject them at the last minute. 👎

(this rant was dedicated to Shy and all those who are getting mad as hell. Keep the faith people. 👍 )

Poopy waitlist! 😡

 

[ShyRem]

Update: kids are still alive, carpet looks surprisingly great (like nothing ever happened actually). Boy child is now being an absolute angel, doing his chores before asked (and doing them WELL). Girl-child is also doing chores, including some not even on her list. Both are being very helpful. (Note to self: have a total crying breakdown to get children to help out around the house more.) I have a post-crying headache hangover from yesterday (ladies you know what I mean here) (no, I didn't actually have any wine last night).

And I'm still waiting, hoping, praying for my gmail notifier to turn blue with that magical "VCU status change" message. Amazing how sometimes you need a really sob your heart out cry to relieve some stress in your life. Time to go get a shower, get dressed, and see about some foam filler to patch the holes in the walls where the doorknobs punched through when we took the baseboards off (and thus the doorstops). Put mud on top of the foam filler. Hope that'll work. Somehow there is also a small hole in the laundry room door 😕 . Hope that foam filler will work there too - dry wall mud is such a pain to use on hollow core doors and walls unless there's something behind it.

It's a new day. chin up! (we REALLY need a hope and a hug icon!!!)

 

[bikedoc1021]

got an email back from Dr. H this morning...

"The in-state list has moved a bit but I don't think it is enough to predict getting to you any time soon. Hope this helps you in your planning."

well, to make a long story short looks like it helps me plan to keep waiting and in the meantime finish that wretched amcas application and ps for the third time. argh. and to top it off, i'm moving this weekend. but enough complaining...good luck to everyone and hang in there.

 

[goinverted]

😡 Really poopy waitlist! 😡

 

[Vizsla]

😡 Really poopy waitlist! 😡

sounds like an official decree to me...

 

[Bee09]

guys i know it sucks, but the biggest advice i could give you is, try not to think about it!! easier said than done, i know. but if you try to distract yourself with some of the other things going on in your life (and you know you have other things in your life) then at least you won't keep thinking about it constantly...

one thing you should probably do (and most of you have probably done it already) is come up w/a back up plan for next year in case you dont get in. i remember having to scramble around to apply to grad school when i realized i wasnt getting in the first time. and then the second time i started looking for a job and essentially moving on with my life (though i did eventually get in, but thats besides the point)

so anyway i guess what i'm trying to say is that it for all intents and purposes, just pretend they rejected you. that way you can make other plans, and if you do get in it will be a pleasant (to put it lightly) surprise.

 

[Vizsla]

Yes you do.

The more I watch ya'll suffer, the better I feel that I am no longer waiting for VCU. I would be going crazy. I hope it all works out but man, the VCU waiting game is LAME A$$!! DR. H, you can quote me. Accept/reject these poor souls already and get it over with. Oh I have a better idea, why don't you just drag them the $%^%$ along then reject them at the last minute. 👎

(this rant was dedicated to Shy and all those who are getting mad as hell. Keep the faith people. 👍 )

nothing like a post from jbone to inject some life back into this thread...

 

[Vizsla]

guys i know it sucks, but the biggest advice i could give you is, try not to think about it!! easier said than done, i know. but if you try to distract yourself with some of the other things going on in your life (and you know you have other things in your life) then at least you won't keep thinking about it constantly...

one thing you should probably do (and most of you have probably done it already) is come up w/a back up plan for next year in case you dont get in. i remember having to scramble around to apply to grad school when i realized i wasnt getting in the first time. and then the second time i started looking for a job and essentially moving on with my life (though i did eventually get in, but thats besides the point)

so anyway i guess what i'm trying to say is that it for all intents and purposes, just pretend they rejected you. that way you can make other plans, and if you do get in it will be a pleasant (to put it lightly) surprise.

quite honestly bee, my biggest complaint is that they dont tell us where we stand on the waitlist. For a lot of us, if we were told "you are near the bottom", it would be easier to accept our fate and begin working on back up plans. We have ALL put so much time, money and effort into this process, that to withold vital information such as our place on the list just seems absolutely ridiculous. And Im sorry but Im not really jumping at the chance to spend another couple hundred dollars just to submit AMCAS in June if I knew there was a good chance I would be coming off the list in early summer. I dont even know why Im bitching anyways bc I think we all know how waitlists really work ...screw points/rank, if an Asian female or African American male withdraws, they will go seeking the same demographic from the list to keep the class balanced...k im done

 

[Orth2006]

I dont even know why Im bitching anyways bc I think we all know how waitlists really work ...screw points/rank, if an Asian female or African American male withdraws, they will go seeking the same demographic from the list to keep the class balanced...k im done

Thats an "Ooops!!" right?

I understand your sentiments and believe me I wish I also knew my position on the list. But lets not get too carried away. I think if anything VCU is much more straight forward with their process than other schools. In other words they stick to a ranked waitlist regardless of any other factors. The only factor that affects their waitlist is if you are instate or OOS. Thats why there are 2 seperate ones. I don't think there are seperate lists for different races.

Lets not give in to that temptation. The process is tough and sometimes weird but I don't think that warrants calous comments like that.

We've all done well to even be on the waitlist. The fact is some of us will get off the WL and some won't.

So calm down

Cheers and good luck

 

[tvazhi]

hey guys,

Newbie here.

just wondering why there is such a huge interest for VCU? i keep hearing its got a great reputation but seeing as how theyre not ranked all that high, Im just a little confused about why people are so keen on attending. I have visited VCU and i really liked the people and the students were extremely nice.. but then a lot of the other people are worried about ranks and prestige and what could be not the best reasons to attend a school.

Does VCU dish out great doctors or give their students great residencies? Even the board scores seem to be on par with most other schools. Would you guys take UVA over VCU too?

Good luck to all those who are waiting, too!

 

[Orth2006]

hey guys,

Newbie here.

just wondering why there is such a huge interest for VCU? i keep hearing its got a great reputation but seeing as how theyre not ranked all that high, Im just a little confused about why people are so keen on attending. I have visited VCU and i really liked the people and the students were extremely nice.. but then a lot of the other people are worried about ranks and prestige and what could be not the best reasons to attend a school.

Does VCU dish out great doctors or give their students great residencies? Even the board scores seem to be on par with most other schools. Would you guys take UVA over VCU too?

Good luck to all those who are waiting, too!

I dont think the interest for VCU is necessarily greater than for other schools. The difference is that many VCU hopefuls are SDN'ers who just need to get a life -- lol
Thats why I need to enjoy this 4 day weekend and stop obsessing about VCU.

Anyway probably others can answer your question better than I.

Cheers and have a great weekend all

 

[MangoKisses]

I think we all know how waitlists really work ...screw points/rank, if an Asian female or African American male withdraws, they will go seeking the same demographic from the list to keep the class balanced...k im done

Vizsla, I've been a part of this thread for a long time, and I've always thought you had nicely empathetic posts. . . until now. I know you are frustrated, but did you really want to say that? I happen to be a Thai female that got accepted a while ago. I am fairly sure that being an "Asian female" had nothing to do with me getting in. The designation of being Asian affords no one any benefits. I think I was fortunate enough to be next in line--that's all.

 

[chicklett1]

Hi guys,
I have spent the past few weeks planning to move to Richmond and getting really excited about VCU. The part that I was most excited about was having you all as classmates. However, today, I got into USC (Keck), and after agonizing over the decision, I've decided to go to LA instead. So, my in-state spot will be free. Also, I was getting a scholarship, so hopefully my spot and a little financial assistance will become available to one of you.

I know you all have worked so hard and are the type of compassionate, dynamic individuals that medicine so desperately needs. It was an honor to wait with you when I was still waiting, and I wish you all the best.

Good luck. I'm telling Dr H to let you in when I call her first thing on Tuesday! Chin up, you all are awesome.

 

[mbawife]

Hi guys,
I have spent the past few weeks planning to move to Richmond and getting really excited about VCU. The part that I was most excited about was having you all as classmates. However, today, I got into USC (Keck), and after agonizing over the decision, I've decided to go to LA instead. So, my in-state spot will be free. Also, I was getting a scholarship, so hopefully my spot and a little financial assistance will become available to one of you.

I know you all have worked so hard and are the type of compassionate, dynamic individuals that medicine so desperately needs. It was an honor to wait with you when I was still waiting, and I wish you all the best.

Good luck. I'm telling Dr H to let you in when I call her first thing on Tuesday! Chin up, you all are awesome.

Congratulations chicklett...we are out in CA, in the OC, so if things go right and my husband gets off the waitlist, we will pass you on the way to VA...

 

[Vizsla]

okay, I dont think you guys understood my post...it had NOTHING to do with why some races get in and some dont. It has to do with how an admissions committee will try to keep the demographics/composition of a class consistent, meaning they will try to replace an applicant who has withdrawn with an applicant of a similar demographic (in this case, prob the similar applicant who has the next highest "vcu rank"). Whether you would like to believe that this goes on or not is your choice but I know for a fact that admissions committees do this. Im not undermining the efforts of those who have gotten it off the list AT ALL, anyone who has made it to the list in the first place has earned the right. Im just trying to suggest that perhaps a "rank" may not be the only criteria used when pulling applicants off the list and maybe this is why we are not told of our place. Im actually a little surprised that you guys dont know this occurs...why do you guys think student composition in incoming med school classes stays relatively constant yr after yr, you think that happens by chance? And by the way mango, I used "Asian female" as a completely random example...I couldve replaced it with polka-dot giraffe and the same would applied

 

[jbone]

I happen to be a Thai female that got accepted a while ago. I am fairly sure that being an "Asian female" had nothing to do with me getting in. The designation of being Asian affords no one any benefits.

No mango, you got in because you ARE HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😀
Call me....นะ 😉 😉
เจสัน

 

[MangoKisses]

okay, I dont think you guys understood my post...it had NOTHING to do with why some races get in and some dont. It has to do with how an admissions committee will try to keep the demographics/composition of a class consistent, meaning they will try to replace an applicant who has withdrawn with an applicant of a similar demographic (in this case, prob the similar applicant who has the next highest "vcu rank"). Whether you would like to believe that this goes on or not is your choice but I know for a fact that admissions committees do this. Im not undermining the efforts of those who have gotten it off the list AT ALL, anyone who has made it to the list in the first place has earned the right. Im just trying to suggest that perhaps a "rank" may not be the only criteria used when pulling applicants off the list and maybe this is why we are not told of our place. Im actually a little surprised that you guys dont know this occurs...why do you guys think student composition in incoming med school classes stays relatively constant yr after yr, you think that happens by chance? And by the way mango, I used "Asian female" as a completely random example...I couldve replaced it with polka-dot giraffe and the same would applied

If this happens, there is no way it would apply to Asians of either gender. Polka-dot giraffes aside. If you get into VCU, Vizsla, identify yourself and I'll be glad to discuss this in person.

 

[MangoKisses]

No mango, you got in because you ARE HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😀
Call me....นะ 😉 😉
เจสัน

*L* Thanks for the vote of confidence.

 

[Vizsla]

If this happens, there is no way it would apply to Asians of either gender. Polka-dot giraffes aside. If you get into VCU, Vizsla, identify yourself and I'll be glad to discuss this in person.

thanks but I think I have good idea of what we are up against in the app process. If a school historically has X% asians matriculating, then they will strive to keep this number relatively constant. If it can happen to whites and URMs, then it can certainly happen to asians

 

[LUBDUBB]

If this happens, there is no way it would apply to Asians of either gender. Polka-dot giraffes aside. If you get into VCU, Vizsla, identify yourself and I'll be glad to discuss this in person.

Athough I am not on the VCU WL this year, I did interview two years in a row at vcu. I think you may have misunderstood vizsla's comments; several schools engage in the practice of keeping the demographics of the entering class balanced. This also happens at the undergrad level, even when assigning dormitory roomates (at least from my observations). Best of luck to all of you on the waitlist.

 

[jbone]

No mango, you got in because you ARE HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😀
Call me....นะ 😉 😉
เจสัน

Oh yea,
smart too. 😀

 

[MangoKisses]

thanks but I think I have good idea of what we are up against in the app process. If a school historically has X% asians matriculating, then they will strive to keep this number relatively constant. If it can happen to whites and URMs, then it can certainly happen to asians

Re-read your original post. How do you think it sounds? Obviously I'm not the only one that "mis-interpreted" your comments. I know you're tired of waiting, and for that I am sorry. If you go to VCU, identify yourself anyway--it'd be nice to know who demonstrates this kind of attitude while under the shroud of anonymity.

 

[MangoKisses]

Oh yea,
smart too. 😀

Thanks bud. I wish you were coming to school with me. From the looks of VCU central, it seems like most of my classmates will be really sweet.

 

[Vizsla]

Re-read your original post. How do you think it sounds? Obviously I'm not the only one that "mis-interpreted" your comments. I know you're tired of waiting, and for that I am sorry. If you go to VCU, identify yourself anyway--it'd be nice to know who demonstrates this kind of attitude while under the shroud of anonymity.

Well i guess we just arent understanding each other. I dont think Im conveying any "attitude", just common sense/logic, but if you want to read into it that way I guess its your choice. Inherent in my original post was the the understanding that all of us had to be qualified applicants to even get on the waitlist, also I thought more people knew about maintaining class demographics. Its funny how u think Im somehow discriminating against you when we're both asian, but i guess lots of people like to jump on a soapbox when race is mentioned. Anywho if I do get in, I will make sure the the first thing on my agenda will be to seek out MangoKisses and "identify" myself so as to reliquish my "shroud"...but for now I think its time that we both get over this

 

[blee]

The internet has a way of stripping out connotations and intent. We'd all do better to trust people when they state what they mean, rather than assume something less honorable.

FWIW, I wouldn't be surprised if maintaining a certain ethnic make-up does play a role in admissions. It's clear that most state-funded schools are required to maintain a certain percentage of in-state students. Would it be so far-fetched to learn that some of them are also required to maintain a demographic that represents the state, or some other such thing?

 

[organichemistry]

Hey guys... I'm a pre-dent considering applying to VCU. Obviously it will be tough for you guys to tell me much about their dental faculty, clinic, etc., but I was hoping to get some insight on the city of Richmond and VCU.

Is VCU in a decent part of town? Where do the professional students live in relation to campus?

Thanks...

 

[Dr.Phil]

It’s so sad to see you guys ignorantly beat down Vizsla simply because he stated an absolutely true fact about this school’s waitlist. I am surprised that it’s such a new concept to many of you but yes if a Polka Doted Giraffe, Caucasian, African American, Asian, or any other race drops out, the admissions department will try to find someone with the same race to fill their spot. This is an effort by the school to maintain their standard class demographic… PERIOD.

 

[ShyRem]

Vizsla, I knew exactly what you were saying. I think you're most likely correct, and I'm sure schools do work to keep their demographics at a certain level. It doesn't mean anything about you being a poor student, mango, it just means you were the right one next on the right list.

Now, vizsla, go have some chocolate. Mango, go have some chocolate *and* some nice white merlot dessert wine. And shake hands, kiss, and make up. 🙂

Or else neither one of you will get any cookies when we all get to VCU later. 😉

 

[Tangent]

I was wondering though- do you think they rank the waitlist considering ethnicity and really do just take whoever is next on the waitlist-
As in- instead of having to go through the waitlist and match ethinicities- the minorities are already just closer to the top? I am Asian myself- but did not check the box requesting special consideration or anything- so I don't know if it comes into play for me or not.

 

[mprover]

Hey guys... I'm a pre-dent considering applying to VCU. Obviously it will be tough for you guys to tell me much about their dental faculty, clinic, etc., but I was hoping to get some insight on the city of Richmond and VCU.

Is VCU in a decent part of town? Where do the professional students live in relation to campus?

Thanks...

I just finished the certificate in physiology program at MCV. The hospital isnt in the best part of town, but its not in the worst. The hospital is located downtown , and downtown Richmond has a decent amount of crime. I know the administration at MCV/VCU are activley trying to improve security around the hospital. As far as living goes, students typically live downtown/fan area or out in the west end. There are several high rise apt buildings downtown and a couple of smaller apt buildings. Id recomend checking these out individually, as some are in some sketch areas. The fan area is west of the hospital and the undergraduate campus. Id recomend living here. It is relativley safe, affordable , and close. There is a free bus that runs from the east edge of the fan to the medical campus. There are also a number of bus routes that run from around the fan to the hospital. The other option is livingin the west end of town , which is 20-30 min west of the school by car. There is a bus that runs in the morning and afternoon from the west end. Parking around the school is a bit of a pain in the ass and expensive. There is parking availible , but its several blocks away, and expensive. Let me know if you have any more questions.

 

[Orth2006]

It’s so sad to see you guys ignorantly beat down Vizsla simply because he stated an absolutely true fact about this school’s waitlist. I am surprised that it’s such a new concept to many of you but yes if a Polka Doted Giraffe, Caucasian, African American, Asian, or any other race drops out, the admissions department will try to find someone with the same race to fill their spot. This is an effort by the school to maintain their standard class demographic… PERIOD.

Perhaps Vizsla is right but his/her comment about this issue was not stated as a matter of fact. He/she had been bi*ching about the VCU process, not knowing his/her spot on the waitlist etc. So his/her last comment about matching demographics was along the same line. I know the internet sometimes diminishes a persons true meaning and intent but its not difficult to see that the particular post was out of frustration rather than one of plain topical conversation.

Plus I don't see how that even ties into what he/she was complaining about. Why is it relevant unless Vizsla was suggesting that if it werent for the VCU process of maintaining a certain demographic ratio, that he/she would have probably gotten off the waitlist by now.

Thats how I interpreted the post and thats what I reacted to. Perhaps Mango interpreted it the same way.

Since I don't how VCUs process really works, I admit I dont know. But I am not ignorant for reacting to the premise that Vizsla established by the comment.

So dont make it seem as if Vizsla made a claim that the general public knew was true and then people are attacking him unnecessarily.

The truth was misused in a selfish way.

I am not trying bashing you Vizsla I just wanted it to be known why your comment didnt sit well with some people myself included.

We all in the same boat as I am still waiting too.

 

[Vizsla]

Now, vizsla, go have some chocolate

will do 😉

 

[MangoKisses]

I dont even know why Im bitching anyways bc I think we all know how waitlists really work ...screw points/rank, if an Asian female or African American male withdraws, they will go seeking the same demographic from the list to keep the class balanced...k im done

If this is really how you think we get in, Vizsla, then I hope an Asian male comes along and drops out. . . just for you.

I think I'm done with this thread for a while. Good luck to everyone! Looking forward to seeing you this summer.

 

[Vizsla]

Perhaps Vizsla is right but his/her comment about this issue was not stated as a matter of fact. He/she had been bi*ching about the VCU process, not knowing his/her spot on the waitlist etc. So his/her last comment about matching demographics was along the same line. I know the internet sometimes diminishes a persons true meaning and intent but its not difficult to see that the particular post was out of frustration rather than one of plain topical conversation.

Plus I don't see how that even ties into what he/she was complaining about. Why is it relevant unless Vizsla was suggesting that if it werent for the VCU process of maintaining a certain demographic ratio, that he/she would have probably gotten off the waitlist by now.

Thats how I interpreted the post and thats what I reacted to. Perhaps Mango interpreted it the same way.

Since I don't how VCUs process really works, I admit I dont know. But I am not ignorant for reacting to the premise that Vizsla established by the comment.

So dont make it seem as if Vizsla made a claim that the general public knew was true and then people are attacking him unnecessarily.

The truth was misused in a selfish way.

I am not trying bashing you Vizsla I just wanted it to be known why your comment didnt sit well with some people myself included.

We all in the same boat as I am still waiting too.

Ortho, if you have ANY further questions as to what I implied by my posts, you are more than welcome to ask instead of assuming. And if I may point out, both me and mango are asians and she still got in over me, so enlighten me as to why I would use this premise to imply that if it wasnt for demographics selection, I would have gotten in? My entire point in posting was to suggest a possible idea as to why our rank isnt disclosed but for some reason you guys want to believe that Im this bitter, resentful, neurotic pre-med who cant stand to see others succeed. Sorry, but Im just not that person. You can read into my post whichever way you would like, but in the end, its your own personal problem to deal with bc I know exactly what I implied what that post. And I think this has officially been beaten to death so let it die...oh, and i think i couldve saved u a few of the "his/hers" by telling u im a guy. good luck all

 

[Vizsla]

If this is really how you think we get in, Vizsla, then I hope an Asian male comes along and drops out. . . just for you.

I think I'm done with this thread for a while. Good luck to everyone! Looking forward to seeing you this summer.

thanks!!

 

[crazy_cavalier]

I think Vizsla is right, to a certain degree, especially in terms of URMs. If I were a school looking to recruit URMs, and if an URM declines an offer, you could bet your ass I'd look into finding another URM recruitment from the waitlist. In general though, I doubt this happens all too frequently, and let's all just chill out over the whole idea.

 

[christi5784]

Hey everyone, I'm still deciding between VCU and another school. Does anyone know what kind of reputation VCU has both in the state of VA and outside of it?

 

[crazy_cavalier]

Hey everyone, I'm still deciding between VCU and another school. Does anyone know what kind of reputation VCU has both in the state of VA and outside of it?

What's the other school? More info from you = more info from us.

 

[mbawife]

What's the other school? More info from you = more info from us.

She has another thread dedicated to this decision:
I apologize in advance: VCU vs SIU

 

[mbawife]

christi5784, you have nearly 50 posts on your other thread about this decision, what information are you hoping to get out of folks responding that you haven't already received? 😕

 

[Mixtli]

If this is really how you think we get in, Vizsla, then I hope an Asian male comes along and drops out. . . just for you.

I think I'm done with this thread for a while. Good luck to everyone! Looking forward to seeing you this summer.

Just like me, especially from the state of Maryland ( 👎 ). Good luck man.

 

[christi5784]

I was hoping people int his thread would know more about VCU's reputation that's all.

 

[tacrum43]

I was hoping people int his thread would know more about VCU's reputation that's all.

I've heard VCU described as a "good middle of the pack school". So, it's not a top 10, but it's not a low tier school either. Apparently it has a pretty strong reputation around the mid-atlantic area, but outside of there it wouldn't really mean too much one way or the other.

 

[christi5784]

I've heard VCU described as a "good middle of the pack school". So, it's not a top 10, but it's not a low tier school either. Apparently it has a pretty strong reputation around the mid-atlantic area, but outside of there it wouldn't really mean too much one way or the other.

thanks!