2008-2009 UMDNJ-RWJMS Secondary Application Thread

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if you think about it, how did med students before us get by without pdas? it is honestly just a luxury. you are not going to whip it out and look stuff up in front of the residents or attendings.

Just a hunch......but you must not have started your clinical years yet?

That said, I agree that a PDA is a luxury that you can definitely get by without. I never had one. The trade-off: you'll definitely be carrying a lot of extra weight in your white coat in the form of pocket books.
 
I interviewed the last week of January and haven't received any communications. It's been almost 3 months. Is this normal?
 
I interviewed the last week of January and haven't received any communications. It's been almost 3 months. Is this normal?

I interviewed the first week of feb and have not heard anything from them either (Im in state). I did call a while back and they said mid-april is when theyd have a decision made on my file, so I guess it could be any day now.
 
I interviewed the last week of January and haven't received any communications. It's been almost 3 months. Is this normal?

I was thinking the same thing until today. I interviewed in the middle of Feb and I just got a letter in mail saying that I have been placed on High Priority alternate list because the class is overbooked.

BTW, anyone have any idea if there is any other alternative to this (like a regular alternate list, or rejections) . Also, is there much movement of this list??
 
I don't know how much movement there is. From what I understand people on the high priority list would have been accepted had there been any spots left in the class. So it's the highest of the waitlists.

I was thinking the same thing until today. I interviewed in the middle of Feb and I just got a letter in mail saying that I have been placed on High Priority alternate list because the class is overbooked.

BTW, anyone have any idea if there is any other alternative to this (like a regular alternate list, or rejections) . Also, is there much movement of this list??
 
Just withdrew my acceptance yesterday... I'm sure that'll help someone out. Good luck!
 
I am currently a 1st year at RWJMS and hopefully I can address some of your concerns. However, if you look at that thread most of the issues are not with Robert Wood but with NJMS and the SOM in Stratford. Although we are all under the UMDNJ umbrella, we all operate very indepedently of each other. There is the sharing of some resources and money, but in regards to my medical education, what happens there and what happens here is completely separate. Remember we are separate medical schools! Robert Wood is currently undergoing our own LCME recertification and from what I hear it is going very well.

The only concerns I have heard about Camden clinical campus is grade inflation/some lack of good clinical instruction from a few years ago. From what I have heard from current 3rd and 4th years that is no longer the case, because there has been (for 1-2 years now I think) a new interim Dean at the Camden Campus. Hopefully I answered your questions, if you have any more concerns PM me. Good luck with everything.

P.S. Not sure if this matters to you. But the quality of life of students here is very good. The administration is very responsive and the P/F system here is awesome (again, something different that is not offered at the NJMS or the DO school, we are all very different institutions!)


Looking at the LCME website we are not on probation. If you look at George Washington University, they are currently under probation. It says so right under their name (although they remain accredited).
 
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Right, they are not under probation by LCME, but UMDNJ was put under it by the mid atlantic university accrediting body some while ago, and then it got off of it. (http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/03/accrediting_body_ends_umdnj_pr.html).

Overall, I was highly impressed by Robert Wood, and I am sure it is perceived as a solid program because its match list is stellar. Still, the university as a whole has had some problems. Thanks for getting back to me.
 
Yup, again I guess it's good you are really doing your homework. But, from my experience thus far, this is all administrative/scandals in the UMDNJ system that will not affect your medical education. It seems remote that there is any scandal that could ever bring down the UMDNJ system. (Meaning all 3 medical schools would fall). Honestly, if there is a LCME reacceditation issue maybe that should concern you (but still, not something I would consider from an established university--Like no one things GW is not going to get reaccredited after being on probation, they are a WELL established university). The LCME is only more of a worry if it's a whole NEW medical school, which is still trying to establish itself. Like the new Touro medical school that was trying to open in NJ, which by the way won't be opening becaus they failed LCME accreditation twice (monetary issues).

I think at this stage sometimes, (regardless of where you are looking to go to medical school), students tend to focus on the wrong things. THESE ARE NOT IN A RANK ORDER:

1) Match list (where are the students going--in general NOT a particular specialty because you'll change your mind 1000 times)

2) Does the school have strengths that match your interest (Research, Community Service etc.) whatever gets you up in the morning.

3) Dual degrees that your interested

4) Cost of attendence (everyone underestimates this one)

5) Finally, go somewhere pass/fail to make your life less stressful.

I am sure there are more, but a well established university on LCME probation or whatever in the US isn't likely going anywhere. When was the last well-esblished US medical school you heard of going under? If anything, we are trying to open more and more medical schools. Okay, enough of my ranting. Again, good luck with everything.
 
Just a hunch......but you must not have started your clinical years yet?

That said, I agree that a PDA is a luxury that you can definitely get by without. I never had one. The trade-off: you'll definitely be carrying a lot of extra weight in your white coat in the form of pocket books.

no i said i was MS2. i can't imagine a better way to make things worse other than telling the attending hold on i will look it up when they are trying to pimp you. but like you said i haven't started my rotations so i can be completely wrong about this...
 
no i said i was MS2. i can't imagine a better way to make things worse other than telling the attending hold on i will look it up when they are trying to pimp you. but like you said i haven't started my rotations so i can be completely wrong about this...

I think you'll find that in all rotations at RWJMS (except maybe surgery on rare occasions), the pimping is really benign and is not meant to be the "firing squad" environment that you would see in the early seasons of Scrubs. They do it to teach you, because like it or not, it is actually a really effective way of teaching, and allows them to gauge your knowledge level.

For the most part, they don't really care if they ask you something and you don't know. Usually they'll just tell you the answer, but sometimes they'll just move on to a discussion with your residents, which gives you a great chance to look it up on your PDA/book/whatever while you're all together at rounds.

For example:
Attending: Hey med student, what are Ranson's criteria?
Student: Well it's for prognostic value in pancreatitis, and it includes blah, blah, blah.....but I think there's one more I'm forgetting....
Attending: yes, there is one more. Anyway, hey resident - did you figure out why she has pancreatitis if she never drinks alcohol?
Resident: Um.....no. Still working on it.
(meanwhile med student has been looking up Ranson's criteria on PDA)
Student: OK, here....got it! It's serum AST greater than 250 at admission.
Attending: Vairy niiiiiiice!!! (In the Borat voice)


(OK, unfortunately, our attendings do not sound like Borat, but the rest of the scenario is pretty accurate)

The only thing is - once an attending asks you a question you don't know, and he tells you the answer, you used up your "get out of jail free" card, and you can NEVER EVER get it wrong again, or else you look like a jackass.
 
Can anyone who went to the April 24 reception clue me into any useful information i may have missed??.....unfortunately i was unable to make it.

Thanks so much!
 
Can anyone who went to the April 24 reception clue me into any useful information i may have missed??.....unfortunately i was unable to make it.

Thanks so much!

A bunch of people from RWJ spoke about the opportunities at the school, diversity programs, interest groups, housing days, etc. Then they had food, a chance to meet current and new students, and to speak to representatives from certain student groups.

They had us try on white coats for sizing and gave away a lot of free t-shirts and other RWJ items through free raffles. That's about it🙂.
 
Another for the High-Priority alternate list. Interviewed in mid-March.
 
Just got a letter saying I'm on the high priority waitlist. My interview was in early March. Is it true what the previous thread says that generally everybody on this waitlist is eventually accepted. I've spent long enough waiting without a positive decision...would love to have some (fact-based) reassurance.
 
Just got a letter saying I'm on the high priority waitlist. My interview was in early March. Is it true what the previous thread says that generally everybody on this waitlist is eventually accepted. I've spent long enough waiting without a positive decision...would love to have some (fact-based) reassurance.

From reading older threads, it's not a certainty. I think three years ago the waitlist was really slow and not everyone from the "high-priority" list got off. Other years they have taken as much as 75 people from the waitlist (I think I read the HP waitlist is ~30 people...??). Obviously take that all with a grain of salt since it came off SDN.

So far I think there are four people on here who are on the high-priority list:

drv482
CeeLos
ceilngsdontexst
fastd03

Not that it makes any difference since there are probably plenty not on here who are on the waitlist, but feel free to update as you find out.
 
Just got a letter saying I'm on the high priority waitlist. My interview was in early March. Is it true what the previous thread says that generally everybody on this waitlist is eventually accepted. I've spent long enough waiting without a positive decision...would love to have some (fact-based) reassurance.

I got rejected off the HP waitlist 2 cycles ago. I don't know what the breakdown is, but when I was on it they said 2/3 usually get in. It's probably very cycle-specific, dependent on how many acceptees are matriculating. With the economy it will probably be a tough year for waitlisters at state schools. Sorry, I know that's not reassuring.
 
Withdrew today, GL to you guys/gals that are waiting. Hope you get my spot.
 
I'm still on the HP waitlist and still very interested in hearing more from Robert Wood. Has anyone been accepted off of the list yet?

:xf::luck:

I don't believe anybody has been accepted from the HP list yet, but I just received an email from RWJMS saying that - although the newly matriculating class is still fully booked - they expect to be offering spots to some people on the HP waitlist "in the near future." I would very much like to go to RWJMS myself, and I think this email gives good cause for optimism. Hopefully see you at RWJMS in August.
~fastd03
 
I don't believe anybody has been accepted from the HP list yet, but I just received an email from RWJMS saying that - although the newly matriculating class is still fully booked - they expect to be offering spots to some people on the HP waitlist "in the near future." I would very much like to go to RWJMS myself, and I think this email gives good cause for optimism. Hopefully see you at RWJMS in August.
~fastd03

I recieved that same email, then I got a phone call. They basically told me that that they have a spot available to me, under the conditions that I drop my other acceptance. I told them that I had to think about it for a day, but I will likely keep my other acceptance. Hopefully this is good news for the rest of you on HP waitlist

GOOD LUCK ALL!!
 
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