~2008-2009~"What Are My Chances/Where Should I Apply/What Should I Do" Thread

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Hey everyone,


I just got my MCAT score back i got 21M (i know it's bad) My undergraduate science GPA is 2.5 and overall GPA is about the same (oddly). My graduate GPA is 3.42 and i am going to get Master degree next may. i was wondering with my stat, can i get into a DO school, Please help, thank you
 
Are you getting a Master's to pull up your GPA??? If so, you can save money by just retaking the few courses you did poor in. AACOMAS replaces instead of averaging grades like AMCAS. Also, adcoms look at your undergrad course moreso than graduate courses unless you are taking a SMP. And of course retake the MCAT. Make sure this time around that you only take the MCAT when you are consistently scoring in your range for an acceptable score (assuming this was the issue for getting a subpar score). I would say you do have a chance at getting into a DO school if you can improve in those areas. My two pennies worth.

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I think with a low undergraduate gpa and low MCAT you would have a tough time. However, if you improved your MCAT and keep your graduate GPA decent, I'd think you would have a responable shot. I heard from some schools, like PCOM for example, that they heavly weigh post-graduate GPA and are "essentially willing to give you a second chance" (quote from a pcom admissions officer.) So if i was you, I would apply next year, but i would start studying for the mcat right now and retake it early summer next year.

Well according to Punk, undergraduate is more important to DO schools, so i guess it depends on which school. What i told you about PCOM is true, though.
 
I don't know DO school will replace your bad grade with a new one if you re-take the class. If that true, my undergraduate GPA will be higher than 2.5, but i don't know how much higher (2.5 is based on my AMCAS application). The Masters that i am doing is a regular Master's Program (two years and you got to write a thesis, everything). I am applying DO schools this year, but my application hasn't get verified yet. Just base on stat now, which DO school do you think i have a shot at. Thank you so much.
 
I don't know DO school will replace your bad grade with a new one if you re-take the class. If that true, my undergraduate GPA will be higher than 2.5, but i don't know how much higher (2.5 is based on my AMCAS application). The Masters that i am doing is a regular Master's Program (two years and you got to write a thesis, everything). I am applying DO schools this year, but my application hasn't get verified yet. Just base on stat now, which DO school do you think i have a shot at. Thank you so much.


IMHO, you need to retake the MCAT. I highly doubt that you will get into any DO school with that MCAT, but miracles have happened before. If your GPA raises to at least a 3.0 and you can get at least a 27 or better on your MCAT then you will have a chance. As far as this year, I wouldn't waste your money until you have at least improved your MCAT.
 
Thank you so much for replying. I applied PCOM this year, so let's see what gonna happen. I know i am facing a lot of obstacles this year, but i REALLY REALLY want to start my Medical school next year. I am tired of waiting around. Thank you for the wonderful/truthful advices. Base on my Stat, do you think i still have a slightly chance to a DO school next year. Thank you
 
All schools use the best grade you received in a course, so your GPA will be higher than that 2.something at every school. It should be listed on your AACOMAS somewhere.
 
so do you think i have a shot at any DO schools this year. Thank you.
 
so do you think i have a shot at any DO schools this year. Thank you.


Check your verified AACOMAS application and you'll find a calculated GPA with the retakes counted and the original classes not. If the science gpa is above 3.0, your shot at getting into a school is a lot better granted you have great EC's, LOR, and a PS.

Check MDapplicants.com and see if someone with similar stats has received an acceptance to a school. If there is nothing, don't worry. You can always be the first. Being dead set on getting into school this year, you better apply to a large number of schools and cross your fingers. Good luck.
 
Thank you for replying. YES, I am APPLYING a lot of schools this year. But AACOMAS haven't verified my application yet. I will update the new info as soon as they verified my application. I really hope i can get some where next year. I really do. Thank you for the help.
 
Bump, any opinion or am I too late to apply? I have my AACOMAS submitted and they're waiting on 1 transcript (sent on 9/11). Thanks in advance!


So I'm applying to PCOM-GA, and Nova. I was wondering how my stats looked compared to those applying there.

I graduated from Samford University in Spring '08, biology/pre-med.
- overall GPA - 3.28
- science GPA - 2.94
- all other GPA - 3.69

I'm currently taking histology, endocrinology, and cellular physiology, post-bac at UAB, which should help out with the lower science GPA.

I've taken the MCAT 3 times now, and my last attempt didn't change the score any.

Jan 2007 - 18M (5v/5p/8b-M)
July 2007 - 23K (6v/8p/9b-K) don't know what happened on the writing portion!
August 2008 - 23O (8v/7p/8b-O)

I have 800+ hours of volunteering in an ER, and have had a lot of "hands on" experience there. I've shadowed several physicians in the ER, as well as orthopedic surgeons and cardiologists. I also have been on several hurricane Katrina relief trips, inner city missions trips, and Hispanic healthcare clinic trips.

How do I stack up? BTW, I live in Alabama, if living in the southeast gives me an advantage (thought I read somewhere that they want to keep phyiscians in the southeast because it's underserved).
 
It might be a bit rough considering you are only applying to a couple places with a lower than average gpa and relatively late in the cycle.

Any chance you can toss out more applications?


Justin
 
It might be a bit rough considering you are only applying to a couple places with a lower than average gpa and relatively late in the cycle.

Any chance you can toss out more applications?


Justin

I also have an application to LMU-DeBusk, as well as the 2 in-state allopathic schools (South Alabama, UAB). Hopefully something will happen this year, but I'd really like to go to PCOM-GA if I have a choice.
 
I got my new MCAT scores.

I went from an 18P to a 25M.
My GPA is 3.64 with a Sci GPA of about 3.5.
I'm taking graduate courses, but not plan on completing the MS if I get into med school.
I have over 2 years experience working as an aid and in medical imaging at a county hospital. This is my second time applying, and I'm staying strictly DO like last time. (I want to go into rural primary care)

My top choice is KCOM.
Anyone have any comments or words of wisdom for me?
 
I'm still trying to figure out how my 26P will do for a competative DO application...not sure what to say about that other than apply earlier than I did...(I applied 8/26/08 or so)

Make ***sure*** that you have DO LOR, but that's a given in this thread =)

Doesn't KCOM favor Kansas residents HEAVILY?
 
bump...thoughts?

Application submitted 8/26/08 ish...still not approved, but MD form was processed okay.


Degree:
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1) Rochester Inst of Tech, NY, 2002, 3.8 cum, (only took AP bio and 1 qtr of Physics --> B=3.0). B.S. Information Technology (~ Computer Science). Full-time

Local college, PA: 3.96 science (all pre-req's), no liberal arts (post-bac, non-degree). Part-time 1-2 courses/semester


MCAT:
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- 8/15/08 MCAT: 26p (9,7,10)......ARG🙁!!!! (1 summer studying HARD with Kaplan - did about 18 practice tests - all AAMC's, 10/11 Kaplan's)

AAMC average going in: 28 average, 29 max (x2?), a few 26's, 2 23's. Completed all 10 AAMC's

Kaplan Diagnostic: 19, max Kaplan: 32 (x1)
AAMC3: 23 (lowest)
AAMC6 (max 29...last)
AAMC7-10 (28,27,29,26), then aamc6 (29) 2 days before
Experience:
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(29 y/o, white, married x 3 yrs, Pennsylvania resident)

- AnimalHospital - Son of a veterinarian who owned a animal hospital with 2 locations....lots of experience assist with surgery, medicine. I have done
intubations, x-rays, dentals on pets, etc since I was about 15 years old. I had worked there since I was about 5...or something like that...no idea😀

- Managed same animal hospital as described above for 1 year after my parents died when I was 22 old until I could sell the practice. Traumatic death after my parents' divorce proceedings when sour about 2 weeks after I graduated from college 🙁. Did ALL accounting, inventory, etc. Needless to say, lots of pressure, little sleep, pretty darn stressful all around...Sibling was not able to help...she was having a psyche breakdown 99% of the time - I had to help yet get through it, too...

- Properties manager - managed 23 rental units (about 13 properties, including residential, commercial, and agricultural) after parents died. Performed 90% of the work myself, including plumbing and electrical repairs, accounting, lease negotiations, etc.

- Managed parent's estate - sold off animal hospital x2, properties x10, and some assets. Appeared and testified in court to recover assets. Settled wrongful death of my mother's boyfriend. Had about 11 attorney's to settle business, financials, and litigation. Did all bookkeeping and prep for taxes. Comforted my widowed grandmother after my father died, then she developed dementia and cancer. Took her to almost all of her doctors appointments before she died.

- Scribe - work in an emergency department; shadow docs and write-up physical exams, gather pt hx before PE, etc. Train all new doctors and PA's to the department how to use computer system. Spent alot of time (> 600 hrs) helping at a underserved clinic in a ~dangerous neighborhood.

- Programmer at same emergency department; wrote backup system to archive the "who's in what room" for our department. 2 months of development, and on-going 2 year project that has been presented at the company's national meeting. Company's founder, MD in Chicago, called my idea "Brilliant"...most of the attendee's wanted to hire me on the spot 😀.

- Volunteered to do some landscaping at our church (1 summer)

- Pilot, senior year HS

- Eagle scout, Brotherhood

- Pre-med honor's society, treasurer and webmaster (2 yrs)

- Physics tutor, volunteer (2 yrs)

- A few computer certifications

- Good PStatement to be a physician (answering vet vs human med question)

LOR:
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- Assistant Director of ED...I would assume an immaculate LoR
- Organic prof
- Bio prof
- Pre-med committee letter (whenever they DO it....)
- Can get numerous MD's (I could easily get about 4 nice ones, including the director of the Dept), but haven't asked one of the DO's that I have shadowed off and on for about 1 year yet. No other LoR from DO's yet, but have some idea who I would ask (I haven't yet)....

Current status
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Currently working p/time as educator/programmer in our ED, part properties manager, part student (1-2 courses/semester)

Comments? What are my chances???

Applied to most MD schools in PA, and almost all DO schools except NY city, CA, and NEngland

THANKS!!
 
What are my chances...of POOPING???

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I got my new MCAT scores.

I went from an 18P to a 25M.
My GPA is 3.64 with a Sci GPA of about 3.5.
I'm taking graduate courses, but not plan on completing the MS if I get into med school.
I have over 2 years experience working as an aid and in medical imaging at a county hospital. This is my second time applying, and I'm staying strictly DO like last time. (I want to go into rural primary care)

My top choice is KCOM.
Anyone have any comments or words of wisdom for me?

Nice work on bringing up the MCAT. I don't know about the rest of your app, but at least your numbers look fine.

I wouldn't be so sure about not finishing that MS. Many schools' acceptance would be contingent upon completion of the MS before med school starts. You need to find out ASAP what you should do. You might need to change AACOMAS to say the equivalent of "no degree sought." Seriously. Look into it.
 
I'm still trying to figure out how my 26P will do for a competative DO application...not sure what to say about that other than apply earlier than I did...(I applied 8/26/08 or so)

Make ***sure*** that you have DO LOR, but that's a given in this thread =)

Doesn't KCOM favor Kansas residents HEAVILY?

26P is right around average. The rest of your app looks rock solid, provided you get those doc letters.
 
Unofficial AACOMAS GPA: 3.1 cum, 3.4 sci
MCAT: 30R (11/11/8)
250+ Volunteer Hours
Work Experience in an unrelated field
2 sci, 1 nonsci, and 1 employer letter. My premed advisor told me they're strong letters. Waiting on 1 DO letter and 1 committee letter.

The big ones I want to get into are AZCOM, PCOM-Pa, and DMU.

Here's the problem, I'm still waiting on one transcript to even start verification. AHHH! I should've listened to TT's advice, I feel like I screwed myself by applying late.

I don't know if the 3.1 will get you screened out at any of those schools. Otherwise, looks fine.

Can you bribe someone about the transcript?
 
So I just got my first exam grades back and after studying harder than I ever did for any class in my undergrad, I still managed to score below the class average.

I am pretty sure if I stick with the SMP, my grad GPA will be significantly lower than my undergrad (about .5 difference on the 4.0 scale).

When schools see my forwarded transcripts with the low 3's GPA in my SMP that highly contrast the high 3's I originally submitted my application with from my undergrad, will it destroy my overall chance at admissions?

I originally enrolled in the SMP because I thought my GPA's weren't high enough but now it looks like they will just go down after this fall quarter.

In my defense, my undergrad didn't have the -/+ system, so a 90 was a 4.0 whereas here a 93 is an A, 92-90 is a 3.75, 89-87 is a 3.5, 85 is a 3.25, etc. and I anticipate having around a 3.3 grad GPA for the fall transcript; again, much lower than what I had originally submitted before attending the SMP. I've been told the undergrad/grad GPA's are kept separately so not too worried there. Mostly just concerned about the major difference in the two.

I'm considering withdrawing before fall quarter ends, but I've been told that will look really bad, especially at interviews when they ask me why I dropped out from the program.

Or should I just stick it out and hope that the significant decrease in GPA will be ignored?? Also, it'll cost me about 20k more to stay the other 2 quarters in this program.

And I decided I don't really need the master's degree if I'm going to be a doctor anyway, assuming I get in.
 
Hey all, im new to this, and my awesome roommate just informed me about this site. He is pre-podiatry and got like a 45, ridiculous i know. anyway, i have 3.97, 29 on my MCAT, over 700 hours in the PRE-OP/PACU volunteering, over 2 years and half of shadowing a MD General surgeon, and alot of leadership experience.. im in a fraternity obviously as my name states.. what do you think are my chances, and which schools would be best for me to attend as I am interested in a Surgerical residency after DO school 🙂.. Hope to hear from you all soon!
 
I also have 4.0 Science GPA, double major in Biology & Chemistry and a 3.92 Non Science GPA....
 
So I just got my first exam grades back and after studying harder than I ever did for any class in my undergrad, I still managed to score below the class average.

I am pretty sure if I stick with the SMP, my grad GPA will be significantly lower than my undergrad (about .5 difference on the 4.0 scale).

When schools see my forwarded transcripts with the low 3's GPA in my SMP that highly contrast the high 3's I originally submitted my application with from my undergrad, will it destroy my overall chance at admissions?

I originally enrolled in the SMP because I thought my GPA's weren't high enough but now it looks like they will just go down after this fall quarter.

In my defense, my undergrad didn't have the -/+ system, so a 90 was a 4.0 whereas here a 93 is an A, 92-90 is a 3.75, 89-87 is a 3.5, 85 is a 3.25, etc. and I anticipate having around a 3.3 grad GPA for the fall transcript; again, much lower than what I had originally submitted before attending the SMP. I've been told the undergrad/grad GPA's are kept separately so not too worried there. Mostly just concerned about the major difference in the two.

I'm considering withdrawing before fall quarter ends, but I've been told that will look really bad, especially at interviews when they ask me why I dropped out from the program.

Or should I just stick it out and hope that the significant decrease in GPA will be ignored?? Also, it'll cost me about 20k more to stay the other 2 quarters in this program.

And I decided I don't really need the master's degree if I'm going to be a doctor anyway, assuming I get in.


If you had a high 3. gpa, why did you go into a masters program again? I am confused.
 
If you had a high 3. gpa, why did you go into a masters program again? I am confused.

I've been out of school for a while and thought it would improve my chances of admission to show I could handle the rigorous course load of medschool. Unfortunately, with the +/- system and consistently scoring B's will look really low compared to my undergrad GPA.

I guess I'm just wondering if staying in will hurt my chances at admission?

My MCAT is recent and I averaged a 9 in each section so I'm not going to worry about that unless I have to re-apply next year.
 
Im not quite sure why you are asking about your chances with an extremely high gpa and decent MCAT score. I know some people like to show off with their stats around here and hope that isn't why you are posting.
Hey, I totally did not mean to demeanour anyone with my stats, I was simply just trying to gauge my chances with my complete statistics so I can have a better understanding and conclusion by my fellow comrades. Didn't mean to hurt your feelings.
 
Hey all, im new to this, and my awesome roommate just informed me about this site. He is pre-podiatry and got like a 45, ridiculous i know. anyway, i have 3.97, 29 on my MCAT, over 700 hours in the PRE-OP/PACU volunteering, over 2 years and half of shadowing a MD General surgeon, and alot of leadership experience.. im in a fraternity obviously as my name states.. what do you think are my chances, and which schools would be best for me to attend as I am interested in a Surgerical residency after DO school 🙂.. Hope to hear from you all soon!

Considering your stats alone, you will be competitive at most places. However, you should know (if you don't already) that some D.O. schools require a letter of recomendation from a D.O. So without one of those, you don't stand a chance at some schools.

As for which school(s) you should shoot for, that gets complicated. All D.O. schools emphasize primary care (or at least claim to). My advice would be to first see which schools are located in areas where you would want to live. Then, look at the clincal years of those schools. Some only give you 4 weeks of surgery and then some electives. Others allot more weeks for surgery. Also, I think that DMU has some sort of crazy surgery workshop (with patient simulators to work on, or something like that). You might want to look into that. And look at the preclinical years. Some schools do all PBL. Some do systems. See which fits your style of learning best.

Good luck
 
I'm in the middle of applying right now, but I'm wondering if I should even bother throwing thousands of dollars at these schools that I might not even have a chance with. Here are my stats:

3.5 GPA (3.05 Sci, 3.9 Non-sci)
33N (13P 9V 11B)
About 600 hours volunteering (HS included), including about 100 clinical
Volunteer coordinator for school's Pre-SOMA group
About 2 years in various research labs, got a poster, abstract, and paper published
Letter from a D.O. I shadowed for a few months
Don't really have any other solid letters in mind (does anyone know if professors with whom you've done research but haven't taken a lecture course can count for an academic letter?)
Decent ECs (marching band, IM sports, a few clubs)

My major concern is the science GPA and the lack of faculty letters. I'm at a big public university (Michigan) and never really developed a lot of relationships with my professors, except the ones I've done research with.

Any advice will be greatly appreciated.
 
Nice work on bringing up the MCAT. I don't know about the rest of your app, but at least your numbers look fine.

I wouldn't be so sure about not finishing that MS. Many schools' acceptance would be contingent upon completion of the MS before med school starts. You need to find out ASAP what you should do. You might need to change AACOMAS to say the equivalent of "no degree sought." Seriously. Look into it.


I have indicated that I have not intention of completing the MS. (This is my first semester) I've got lots of extra curriculars and volunteer experience. I'm hoping this will be it for me.
 
Ahhh....ammo for secondaries! =) Thanks for your insight!

I don't know about anyone else, but most of the school's websites only include a very brief amount of information...they don't go nearly into the depth that I hope that they would...

As for which school(s) you should shoot for, that gets complicated. All D.O. schools emphasize primary care (or at least claim to). My advice would be to first see which schools are located in areas where you would want to live. Then, look at the clincal years of those schools. Some only give you 4 weeks of surgery and then some electives. Others allot more weeks for surgery. Also, I think that DMU has some sort of crazy surgery workshop (with patient simulators to work on, or something like that). You might want to look into that. And look at the preclinical years. Some schools do all PBL. Some do systems. See which fits your style of learning best.

Good luck
 
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Thanks Chocolate Bear...you're a great assest to this forum! 👍👍👍

So whats the true story? Scrubs rocks hardcore (esp Turk, IMHO), but is that YOU or Turk in the picture??

26P is right around average. The rest of your app looks rock solid, provided you get those doc letters.

I was just concerned because DMU's average mcat is the highest its ever been this year....27. My friend got accepted into 2012 with a 26,24,32 mcats last year and another got accepted for 2011 with 26....

I'm just really bugging over this mcat increase and I'd like to get into a school that I would prefer it at all possible! I was really shooting for 27 at the minimum and ideally hit a 28, 29, or 30 or something...
 
Hi, I received an interview invite to DMU but I want to know my chances of getting accepted with my low MCAT score of a 23L. I know DMU's average is 27O. I have a 3.7 sci/overall gpa and great LORs along with ECs. Is it worth interviewing at DMU? Thanks.
 
Hi, I received an interview invite to DMU but I want to know my chances of getting accepted with my low MCAT score of a 23L. I know DMU's average is 27O. I have a 3.7 sci/overall gpa and great LORs along with ECs. Is it worth interviewing at DMU? Thanks.


If you got an II that means they feel you are academically qualified and met all of their screening procedures. You should def go if you want to go there.
 
If you got an II that means they feel you are academically qualified and met all of their screening procedures. You should def go if you want to go there.

II = secondary?

DMU just seems like a very competitive school. But I'll go for it!
 
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I'm in the middle of applying right now, but I'm wondering if I should even bother throwing thousands of dollars at these schools that I might not even have a chance with. Here are my stats:

3.5 GPA (3.05 Sci, 3.9 Non-sci)
33N (13P 9V 11B)
About 600 hours volunteering (HS included), including about 100 clinical
Volunteer coordinator for school's Pre-SOMA group
About 2 years in various research labs, got a poster, abstract, and paper published
Letter from a D.O. I shadowed for a few months
Don't really have any other solid letters in mind (does anyone know if professors with whom you've done research but haven't taken a lecture course can count for an academic letter?)
Decent ECs (marching band, IM sports, a few clubs)

My major concern is the science GPA and the lack of faculty letters. I'm at a big public university (Michigan) and never really developed a lot of relationships with my professors, except the ones I've done research with.

Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

The 3.05 will get you screened at just a few schools, though I'm not sure exactly which ones.

Most schools' letter requirements say "science faculty," although a few of them do say "...who taught you in class." The latter would be a problem, in your case.

Contact a few schools, ask to talk to an admissions counselor, and see what they say.
 
Hi, I received an interview invite to DMU but I want to know my chances of getting accepted with my low MCAT score of a 23L. I know DMU's average is 27O. I have a 3.7 sci/overall gpa and great LORs along with ECs. Is it worth interviewing at DMU? Thanks.

Yes, why not go - you've already applied and paid them money to look at you!!
I actually got rejected pre-secondary with an MCAT higher than yours, must've been my low GPA. Boo!
Anyways getting an interview invite is a major screening step in the process and so I'd go to all of mine unless I already had an acceptance in hand and could afford to be pickier...
 
Hi, I received an interview invite to DMU but I want to know my chances of getting accepted with my low MCAT score of a 23L. I know DMU's average is 27O. I have a 3.7 sci/overall gpa and great LORs along with ECs. Is it worth interviewing at DMU? Thanks.

they woulnd't invite you if they didn't think you were qualified to be at their school. Don't play in to the numbers game. The interviewers do take notes on your file before the interveiw, so one of them might ask you a question about it (so be prepared), but honestly now they are just interested in meeting you so they can evaluate you as a person and future physician. They have already evaluated you in terms of numbers on a piece of paper, and the rest of your app was sufficient enough to offset the low MCAT.

Congrats on the interview! DMU is a great school and my interview day was a blast. It would be a shame if you didn't go for fear of being rejected, especially if it is high on your list.
 
Took the MCAT once, got a 10v, 7ps, 11bs. Been volunteering in the OR since I graduated. Working part time for a vascular surgeon for the next year. Going on a medical mission trip to Guatemala in November.

What do you think my chances are? I've applied to allopathic schools and osteopathic schools.

Let me know. 👍

You'll be competitive at pretty much all DO schools....as long as you're applying now and not in January or something later even then you'll be strong. I would think if you've applied early and broadly you'll also get a good amount of MD love. Goodluck.
 
I graduate in Engineering a few years ago, never really liked my jobs. I'm working on Post Grad classes to improve my science GPA. My overall GPA in undergraduate was a 2.4. My science GPA in undergraduate was a 2.75. My post Grad GPA is 3.6, so far I have taken 24 additional credit hours. My MCAT score was a 33, but I'm considering taken it again. I have been doing volunteering, shadowing, and clinical work. Do you think I have chance or are my chances over because of my low GPA from undergrad. I would like to apply to DO schools for 2010.
 
My undergrad GPA was a 2.2

Don't know my undergrad science GPA. I only had a handful of classes towards it though.

I took 80+ hours of post-bac (all science) at about a 3.5 clip, raising my overall GPA to the 2.7 range.

My MCAT was a 33

I am a first-year medical student who just got home from studying every little piece of bull**** entering and leaving the skull all day. I hate it, but I love it.

Your MCAT is probably fine. Any problems any DO school has with you at a 33, they will still have with you at a 35, 37, 40, whatever. Take a couple more semesters if you can, finish strong, no letdowns, and apply. You'll get some love somewhere.
 
Thanks for the feedback, Its good to know that some people are given a second chance with a low GPA. Were you also an Engineering graduate? Are you in a DO school or MD school?
 
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