2009 Match Lists

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eek09 said:
I dont' know. Something seems fishy. Did that one company go to Harvard and recruit students directly or did the students want to go into consulting at the outset? That we may never know. Business development manager? The question bares to ask if that person was already working for that company and went to medical school for a job advancement? Like I said, this seems fishy.
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Consulting firms do recruit heavily at Harvard, even the med school.
 
pntgrd said:
The md/phds you mention with zero interest in patient care are expected to go into biomedical research, not consulting. It is a failure if an MD/PhD student puts 8 years into his medical education and ends up consulting.
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expected but not required. there is no "service obligation" into biomedical research for those that did mstp. besides, not everyone in an md/phd program even wants to do science...they want to be able to get the degrees and not have a lot of debt. I've also met hundreds of phd students and md/phd students who at the end of it all were so beat up and turned off by the 'science machine' and by biomed research that they want nothing to do with it. so they "take a break" and make some decent money in the process. let's not ignore human motivation and non-selflessness here.
 
cornell also had a mckinsey
 
edfig99 said:
expected but not required. there is no "service obligation" into biomedical research for those that did mstp.
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There is no requirement for any graduate of any school. It doesn't mean it is not a waste to spend almost a decade pursuing an MD and PhD degree and to neither practice medicine nor science. Med schools would agree and would never accept someone into an MD/PhD program knowing they won't research or take care of patients.
 
pntgrd said:
There is no requirement for any graduate of any school. It doesn't mean it is not a waste to spend almost a decade pursuing an MD and PhD degree and to neither practice medicine nor science. Med schools would agree and would never accept someone into an MD/PhD program knowing they won't research or take care of patients.
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I don't disagree that it could be a waste to spend that time studying and not "do anything" with it. However, med school faculty/administrators have no idea what someone is going to do at the end of their training. A medical school has zero control over what a student may find interesting or may identify as their purpose in life. The school hopes that they've done a good job selecting individuals who will go on to be leaders in patient care, teaching and research, and in exposing them to the broad range of science and clinical experience that is required by the accrediting bodies...but that doesn't always happen. There are people being accepted all the time who ultimately won't do research or won't take care of patients.
 
For such a small school (I think 58 this year?) in an unknown location (nowhere, East Tennessee) we had quite a remarkable match list.

I couldn't find a link on my school's web-page, so I typed this up from reading the list, so I'm sure I've missed a few. I was too lazy to type WHERE for each, but they included:
Wake, Vandy, UPENN, UAB, UVA, USC, UCLA, Rush and Emory.

Anesthesiology x 2
Derm x 2
Urology x 2
OB/GYN x 9
General Surgery x 6
Emergency Med x 4
Med/Peds x 1
Med/Psych x 1
Path x 1
Family Med x 6
Internal Med x 8
Peds x 5
Psych x 1

All these include our 5 or so doing military match.
 
zpiff said:
How do you know that there were 17 derm applicants?
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I was told buy a few of them when they interviewed at my program that there was 18 of them. Also if you look at the match list you can actually say 13 matched derm when you included the one who matche derm/im at NW.
 
edfig99 said:
I don't disagree that it could be a waste to spend that time studying and not "do anything" with it. However, med school faculty/administrators have no idea what someone is going to do at the end of their training. A medical school has zero control over what a student may find interesting or may identify as their purpose in life. The school hopes that they've done a good job selecting individuals who will go on to be leaders in patient care, teaching and research, and in exposing them to the broad range of science and clinical experience that is required by the accrediting bodies...but that doesn't always happen. There are people being accepted all the time who ultimately won't do research or won't take care of patients.
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What is your point? I'm just saying that it is considered a failure. Stating that this happens and that med schools can't control it doesn't make it not a failure.
 
eek09 said:
This just proves that you can match into derm at a no name school and at Harvard. Your chances just increase, if you are a top student, of matching into derm or radiology if you go to a school like Harvard.
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I won't argue that at all. The point is, they got derm AND urology. And they weren't lower tier schools, either. One of the derms was Geisinger, which is pretty well known. To be honest, though, most going into even the difficult stuff chose location over reputation. Many got interviews at top West Coast and NE schools, and ranked them low due to location of family, weather, etc. We're kinda country here, and people tend to stick to their roots. Name doesn't always mean anything.

Also, I missed it on the website. Here is the link:
http://www.etsu.edu/com/sa/admissions/collegeinfo/files/2009_Residency_Placement_Results_1.pdf
 
pntgrd said:
What is your point? I'm just saying that it is considered a failure. Stating that this happens and that med schools can't control it doesn't make it not a failure.
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a failure by who?
not to the student -- for them it's a success. they chose to do this.

for the school? if there were a huge number of students not going on into residencies...sure, but that's not happening.
 
edfig99 said:
a failure by who?
not to the student -- for them it's a success. they chose to do this.

for the school? if there were a huge number of students not going on into residencies...sure, but that's not happening.
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For the school. If it were a huge number of their students not practicing medicine or research, it would be considered a huge failure.
 
Medical College of Wisconsin


Anesthesiology (24)
Duke
Harvard – Brigham and Women's
Harvard – BIDMC
Johns Hopkins
Maine Medical Center
Mayo
MCW (8)
Ohio State University (2)
Tulane
University of Florida
University of Iowa
University of Minnesota
University of Utah (2)
University of Wisconsin
Washington University

Dermatology (4)
Henry Ford Hospital
MCW
University of Illinois Chicago
University of Connecticut

Emergency Medicine (17)
Case Western – MetroHealth Medical Center
East Virginia Medical School
HealthPartners Institute for Medical Education (St. Paul, MN)
MCW (2)
Michigan State University – Grand Rapids
Michigan State University – Kalamazoo
Ohio State University (2)
Resurrection Medical Center (Chicago)
Thomas Jefferson
University of Arizona
University of Kentucky
University of Michigan
University of New Mexico
University of Wisconsin
Wayne State

Family Medicine (20)
Aurora Health Care/St. Lukes (Milwaukee)
Case Western – MetroHealth Med Center
Duluth Graduate Med Ed Council Program
Franciscan Skemp Healthcare (4)
Lancaster General Hospital (Lancaster, PA)
McKay-Dee Hospital center (Ogden, UT)
MCW/Waukesha Memorial Hospital (2)
MCW/Columbia St. Mary's Hospital (4)
Mountain Area Health Eudcation Center (Asheville, NC)
University of Minnesota
University of Utah
Ventura County Medical Center
Womack Army Medical Center

Internal Medicine (19)
Advocate Lutheran General Hospital (Park Ridge, IL)
Duke
Loyola University
Mayo
MCW (3)
Northwestern
University of California Irvine (3)
University of Southern California
University of Washington (2)
University of Wisconsin
University of Wisconsin – Primary Care Track
Vanderbilt (2)
Washington University

Internal Med/International Health
Case Western

Med/Neuro
MCW

Med/Peds (5)
Loyola University
MCW (2)
University of Rochester
UT Houston

Medical Genetics/Peds
Baylor

Neurology
Northwestern

Neurosurgery
Case Western

OB/Gyn (8)
Indiana University
MCW (3)
Michigan State University – Grand Rapids
Penn State
University of New Mexico
University of Tennessee

Ophthalmology (5)
Jackson Health System – Bascom Palmer Eye Institute
Mayo
Rush
University of Washington
William Beaumont

Orthopaedic Surgery (14)
Geisinger Health System
Loma Linda
Loyola University
Mayo
MCW
Michigan State University – Kalamazoo
Northwestern
SUNY Stony Brook
UMDNJ-NJ Med School
University of Minnesota
University of Nebraska
University of Rochester – Research track
University of Wisconsin
William Beaumont

Otolaryngology (4)
MCW (2)
University of Minnesota
West Virginia University

Pathology (9)
Loyola University
MCW (2)
New York Presbyterian Hospital – Cornell
Tufts University – Baystate
University of Arizona
University of Iowa
UTHSC-San Antonio
Yale

Pediatrics (19)
Case Western
MCW (5)
Michigan State University – Grand Rapids
Northwestern
Phoenix Children's Hospital/Maricopa Medical Center
Rush
St. Louis University
University of California Irvine (2)
University of Cincinnati
University of Maryland
University of Minnesota
University of Nebraska
University of Pittsburgh
UTSW

PM&R (3)
Johns Hopkins
University of California Davis
University of Colorado

Plastic Surgery
MCW

Psychiatry (6)
Case Western
Hartford Hospital – Institute of Living
Harvard
MCW (2)
University of California Irvine

Radiation Oncology (3)
Mayo
MCW
Northwestern

Radiology (12)
Aurora Health Care/St. Lukes Medical Center
Case Western
Drexel
Duke
Loyola University
Madigan Army Medical Center
Mayo
MCW
University of Arizona
University of Kansas -- Wichita
University of Nebraska
University of Wisconsin

Surgery (12)
Brown
Ohio State University
OHSU
St. Joseph Mercy-Oakland (Pontiac, MI)
SUNY Upstate
Tufts University – Baystate
University of California Irvine
University of Cincinnati
University of Massachusetts
University of North Carolina
University of Pittsburgh
Wright State

Urology
University of Minnesota
University of Utah

1st year only (6)
Creighton University IM prelim
MCW/St. Joe's TY
Michigan State University Grand Rapids TY
San Antonio Uniformed Services Health Education Corsortium
UT Houston Surg prelim
Virginia Mason Medical Center Surg prelim

Residency Deferred
4

Total 202
 
My, my, my, how the hatred of Harvard remains strong.

Please allow me to expand on some salient points.

1. McKinsey recruits very hard on Harvard's Campus because they have an affinity for "big name" graduates to fill their ranks of consultants. I have to admit it is quite tempting to think about consulting when you are promised a starting salary of 200-300,000 with the prospect of making much more after a year or two of work. When you are leaving school with +100,000 dollars worth of debt, it is something to think about.

Moreover, people are also forgetting that the MD/MBA classes from Harvard are now graduating, several of whom were aimed at consulting anyway.

2. It seems as if the high number of derm applicants/matched has caused some consternation among the masses. The fact of the matter is, it is not Harvard's job to create primary care doctors, family med doctors, etc. The job of Harvard Med is to allow its students to be able to pick and to apply with adequate and strong applications to any field that they want. Period. That's how I view match lists - were the students able to match in the fields of their choice or not? I would be much more weary of a list with a higher number of students only in prelim programs with no advanced program placement, than one with a bunch of future radiologists.

(One challenge to that statement is, how can anyone know what the applicant really wanted. There in lies the rub in looking at match lists, at the end of the day they probably don't mean as much as we make them out to be.)

3. I am surprised that a commentator above who usually assails both pre med and med students alike concerning the validity of match lists would choose to use said match list to chastise another school. The fact of the matter is, this list is a snapshot of one amalgamated class of Harvard 4th, 5th, md/phd, md/mba, md/mph, etc. year students.

In fact, the match list was quite interesting in that there were so many interesting anomalies. I can't recall Brigham medicine taking that many students, let alone BI (the former darling of the past 3 years) only having 2 students. Furthermore, there seemed to be a great deal more students opting to leave the Harvard system for home this match cycle.

Nonetheless, this is a list comprised of people who wanted to do what they wanted to do, and were able to match into their field of choice. I would no quicker chastise them or their school for following their wants then to chastise any of you for doing the same damn thing.

Please get off you high horses and realize everyone has their reasons and they are equally as valid as your wish to do family medicine or forgo your MD degree to become a potato farmer.

p
 
Wow. I'm going to agree with Prions here.

There's a reason MD/MBA's exist, and I hope we can all be glad that one of the most respected consulting firms in the country is actually relying upon those with an MD when health-related issues are at stake. Behind the scenes, we are probably all unwittingly grateful.

and now can I just gently nudge this back onto topic by asking if anybody's got Keck's match list 🙄?
 
prions06 said:
My, my, my, how the hatred of Harvard remains strong.

Please allow me to expand on some salient points.

1. McKinsey recruits very hard on Harvard's Campus because they have an affinity for "big name" graduates to fill their ranks of consultants. I have to admit it is quite tempting to think about consulting when you are promised a starting salary of 200-300,000 with the prospect of making much more after a year or two of work. When you are leaving school with +100,000 dollars worth of debt, it is something to think about.

Moreover, people are also forgetting that the MD/MBA classes from Harvard are now graduating, several of whom were aimed at consulting anyway.

2. It seems as if the high number of derm applicants/matched has caused some consternation among the masses. The fact of the matter is, it is not Harvard's job to create primary care doctors, family med doctors, etc. The job of Harvard Med is to allow its students to be able to pick and to apply with adequate and strong applications to any field that they want. Period. That's how I view match lists - were the students able to match in the fields of their choice or not? I would be much more weary of a list with a higher number of students only in prelim programs with no advanced program placement, than one with a bunch of future radiologists.

(One challenge to that statement is, how can anyone know what the applicant really wanted. There in lies the rub in looking at match lists, at the end of the day they probably don't mean as much as we make them out to be.)

3. I am surprised that a commentator above who usually assails both pre med and med students alike concerning the validity of match lists would choose to use said match list to chastise another school. The fact of the matter is, this list is a snapshot of one amalgamated class of Harvard 4th, 5th, md/phd, md/mba, md/mph, etc. year students.

In fact, the match list was quite interesting in that there were so many interesting anomalies. I can't recall Brigham medicine taking that many students, let alone BI (the former darling of the past 3 years) only having 2 students. Furthermore, there seemed to be a great deal more students opting to leave the Harvard system for home this match cycle.

Nonetheless, this is a list comprised of people who wanted to do what they wanted to do, and were able to match into their field of choice. I would no quicker chastise them or their school for following their wants then to chastise any of you for doing the same damn thing.

Please get off you high horses and realize everyone has their reasons and they are equally as valid as your wish to do family medicine or forgo your MD degree to become a potato farmer.

p
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My, my, my..who uses words like "consternation" and "assails" on an online forum? I mean, daaaaamn homey, it's not that serious


kidding, kidding- just couldn't help myself 😛
 
Ashers said:
Medical College of Wisconsin


Anesthesiology (24)
Duke
Harvard – Brigham and Women’s
Harvard – BIDMC
Johns Hopkins
Maine Medical Center
Mayo
MCW (8)
Ohio State University (2)
Tulane
University of Florida
University of Iowa
University of Minnesota
University of Utah (2)
University of Wisconsin
Washington University

Dermatology (4)
Henry Ford Hospital
MCW
University of Illinois Chicago
University of Connecticut

Emergency Medicine (17)
Case Western – MetroHealth Medical Center
East Virginia Medical School
HealthPartners Institute for Medical Education (St. Paul, MN)
MCW (2)
Michigan State University – Grand Rapids
Michigan State University – Kalamazoo
Ohio State University (2)
Resurrection Medical Center (Chicago)
Thomas Jefferson
University of Arizona
University of Kentucky
University of Michigan
University of New Mexico
University of Wisconsin
Wayne State

Family Medicine (20)
Aurora Health Care/St. Lukes (Milwaukee)
Case Western – MetroHealth Med Center
Duluth Graduate Med Ed Council Program
Franciscan Skemp Healthcare (4)
Lancaster General Hospital (Lancaster, PA)
McKay-Dee Hospital center (Ogden, UT)
MCW/Waukesha Memorial Hospital (2)
MCW/Columbia St. Mary’s Hospital (4)
Mountain Area Health Eudcation Center (Asheville, NC)
University of Minnesota
University of Utah
Ventura County Medical Center
Womack Army Medical Center

Internal Medicine (19)
Advocate Lutheran General Hospital (Park Ridge, IL)
Duke
Loyola University
Mayo
MCW (3)
Northwestern
University of California Irvine (3)
University of Southern California
University of Washington (2)
University of Wisconsin
University of Wisconsin – Primary Care Track
Vanderbilt (2)
Washington University

Internal Med/International Health
Case Western

Med/Neuro
MCW

Med/Peds (5)
Loyola University
MCW (2)
University of Rochester
UT Houston

Medical Genetics/Peds
Baylor

Neurology
Northwestern

Neurosurgery
Case Western

OB/Gyn (8)
Indiana University
MCW (3)
Michigan State University – Grand Rapids
Penn State
University of New Mexico
University of Tennessee

Ophthalmology (5)
Jackson Health System – Bascom Palmer Eye Institute
Mayo
Rush
University of Washington
William Beaumont

Orthopaedic Surgery (14)
Geisinger Health System
Loma Linda
Loyola University
Mayo
MCW
Michigan State University – Kalamazoo
Northwestern
SUNY Stony Brook
UMDNJ-NJ Med School
University of Minnesota
University of Nebraska
University of Rochester – Research track
University of Wisconsin
William Beaumont

Otolaryngology (4)
MCW (2)
University of Minnesota
West Virginia University

Pathology (9)
Loyola University
MCW (2)
New York Presbyterian Hospital – Cornell
Tufts University – Baystate
University of Arizona
University of Iowa
UTHSC-San Antonio
Yale

Pediatrics (19)
Case Western
MCW (5)
Michigan State University – Grand Rapids
Northwestern
Phoenix Children’s Hospital/Maricopa Medical Center
Rush
St. Louis University
University of California Irvine (2)
University of Cincinnati
University of Maryland
University of Minnesota
University of Nebraska
University of Pittsburgh
UTSW

PM&R (3)
Johns Hopkins
University of California Davis
University of Colorado

Plastic Surgery
MCW

Psychiatry (6)
Case Western
Hartford Hospital – Institute of Living
Harvard
MCW (2)
University of California Irvine

Radiation Oncology (3)
Mayo
MCW
Northwestern

Radiology (12)
Aurora Health Care/St. Lukes Medical Center
Case Western
Drexel
Duke
Loyola University
Madigan Army Medical Center
Mayo
MCW
University of Arizona
University of Kansas -- Wichita
University of Nebraska
University of Wisconsin

Surgery (12)
Brown
Ohio State University
OHSU
St. Joseph Mercy-Oakland (Pontiac, MI)
SUNY Upstate
Tufts University – Baystate
University of California Irvine
University of Cincinnati
University of Massachusetts
University of North Carolina
University of Pittsburgh
Wright State

Urology
University of Minnesota
University of Utah

1st year only (6)
Creighton University IM prelim
MCW/St. Joe’s TY
Michigan State University Grand Rapids TY
San Antonio Uniformed Services Health Education Corsortium
UT Houston Surg prelim
Virginia Mason Medical Center Surg prelim

Residency Deferred
4

Total 202
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Wow, not as many California residency spots as I thought there would be.

Do you know what percentage of people that wanted to go back to California were able to?
 
medking said:
Wow, not as many California residency spots as I thought there would be.

Do you know what percentage of people that wanted to go back to California were able to?
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No. That would involve me knowing everyone in my class, and what they wanted to do/where they wanted to go. This information is not released.

I know where my good friends WANTED to go. Some ended up there, and some didn't.
 
prions06 said:
My, my, my, how the hatred of Harvard remains strong....

3. I am surprised that a commentator above who usually assails both pre med and med students alike concerning the validity of match lists would choose to use said match list to chastise another school. ...
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This isn't about hate. It's a VERY strange thing to put into a match list because (1) it isn't a match, it's a hiring outside of the match, and (2) it is something that is considered a failing by most med schools because pretty much all med schools have the mission, whether explicit or implicit, to educate clinicians and researchers. There are very limited seats to med school and the demand for physicians is huge. So folks who end up going into other things represent a failing by the school of their mission. Whether they lost these folks on admission or along the way is unknown, but they got into medical school and ended up going into a non-medical industry, at a time when bright minds in medicine are in high demand.

As for your point #3 above, I don't consider this a criticism of the match list because honestly this isn't something that belongs on a match list. It's not an accident that other programs don't list this. It's not a match. It's attrition from the profession. And listing them is spin. And yet another reason maybe the match list is a dangerous thing to look at, because here you are being fed a bill of goods. These smart people, after 4 years of med school (and more education than that if they truly were PhD/MD types), chose not to be doctors. At most places that wouldn't be construed positively, although this program is spinning it that way.
 
I remember when reading around on the MD/MBA forums a couple of years ago that a lot of these folks never do a residency.

Personally, I think that is problematic. They are not licensed physicians but still dole out their advice as such in the business world.

But, as these folks stick mainly to the business realm, they dont really have to face the consternation of their doctor "colleagues."

Just something to think about before you do a MD/MBA... will you really be doctor?
 
also, lets remember that these people coming from harvard that dont do residencies free up spots for everyone else 🙂
 
University of Maryland (Courtesy of the C/O 2013 thread):

University of Maryland 2009 Match List​


- Anesthesiology (8)
o U Utah Affil Hospitals
§ U Md – Mercy Med Ctr -> Medicine – Preliminary
o Med Coll Georgia – Augusta
§ U Maryland Med Ctr -> Medicine – Preliminary
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o Henry Ford HSC – MI
o UPMC Mercy Hosp – PA
§ Union Memorial Hosp. – MD -> Medicine – Preliminary
o U Southern California
§ U Md – Mercy Med Ctr -> Medicine – Preliminary
o U Maryland Med Ctr
§ GBMC – MD -> Medicine - Preliminary
o Oregon Health & Science Univ - OR
§ GBMC – MD -> Medicine - Preliminary

- Child Neurology (2)
o Columbia NYP
§ Westchester Med Ctr – NY -> Pediatrics
o New York University
§ St. Christophers Hosp – PA -> Pediatrics

- Dermatology (3)
o Stony Brook – NY
§ GBMC – MD -> Medicine – Preliminary
o University of Virginia
§ Washington Hosp Ctr – DC -> Medicine – Preliminary
o Washington Hosp Ctr – DC
§ U MD – Mercy Med Ctr -> Medicine – Preliminary

- Emergency Medicine (15)
o York Hospital – PA
o William Beaumont Hosp. – MI
o U Southern California
§ Franklin Square Hosp – MD -> Medicine – Preliminary
o Christiana Care – DE
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o Albert Einstein Med Ctr – PA
o UC San Francisco – Fresno – CA
o Washington Hosp Ctr – DC
o U Southern California
o SUNY HSC Brooklyn, NY
o U Michigan Hosps – Ann Arbor
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o Univ. of Chicago Med Ctr - IL

- Family Medicine (16)
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o Trident Medical Center – SC
o So. Nassau Comm Hosp – NY
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o U North Carolina Hospitals
o Franklin Square Hosp – MD
o Kaiser Perm – Woodland Hills – CA
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o Phoebe Putney Mem Hosp – GA
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o Mayo – MN
o University Hospitals Case Med Ctr – OH
o Bayfront Med Ctr – FL
o U North Carolina
o U Maryland Med Ctr

- General Surgery (6)
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o Sinai Hosp – Baltimore, MD
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o Caritas St Elizabeths Med Ctr – MA
o VCU/ MCV – Richmond, VA
o VCU/ MCV – Richmond, VA

- Internal Medicine (23)
o U Michigan Hosps - Ann Arbor
o Thomas Jefferson Univ
o Temple Univ.
o Univ. of Chicago Med Ctr – IL
o Yale
o Johns Hopkins/ Bayview – MD
o National Naval Medical Center
o UMDNJ – New Jersey Med – Newark
o University Hospitals Case Med Ctr – OH
o Yale
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o Stanford Univ.
o Vanderbilt
o Mass General Hosp
o Cedars-Sinai Medical Center – CA
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o Univ of Chicago Med Ctr – IL
o UC San Francisco – CA
o Yale
o NYP Hosp – Weill Cornell Med Ctr – NY
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o U Rochester/ Strong Mem – NY
o Hosp of the Univ of Penn.

- Internal Medicine – Preliminary (7)
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o Einstein/ Montefiore Med Ctr – NY
o Johns Hopkins/ Bayview – MD
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o George Washington Univ. – DC
o Johns Hopkins/ Bayview
o U MD – Mercy Med Ctr

- Neurological Surgery (2)
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o Loma Linda University - CA

- Neurology (4)
o Baylor Coll Med – Houston, TX
o Hosp of Univ. of Penn.
§ Washington Hosp Ctr – DC -> Medicine – Preliminary
o U North Carolina
§ Pitt County Hospital/ Brody SOM – NC -> Medicine – Preliminary
o University Hospitals Case Med Ctr – OH
§ St Johns Hospital – MI -> Medicine - Preliminary

- Obstetrics-Gynecology (5)
o Washington Hosp Ctr – DC
o Cedars-Sinai Medical Center – CA
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o Lehigh Valley Hosp - PA

- Ophthalmology (1)
o Georgetown Univ. Hosp – DC
§ Washington Hospital Ctr – DC -> Medicine – Preliminary

- Orthopaedic Surgery (4)
o SUNY Upstate
o St Lukes – Roosevelt, NY
o Union Memorial Hosp – MD
o Cleveland Clinic - OH

- Pathology (1)
o U Maryland Med Ctr

- Pediatrics (9)
o UPMC - PA
o U South Florida COM – Tampa
o Childrens Natl Med Ctr – DC
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o Jefferson Med Coll/ duPont Childrens – PA
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o Loma Linda University – CA
o NYU
o St Christophers Hosp - PA

- Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation (1)
o Harvard/ Spaulding – MA
§ Georgetown Univ Hosp – DC -> Medicine – Preliminary

- Plastic Surgery (2)
o Johns Hopkins
o Johns Hopkins

- Psychiatry (6)
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o George Washington Univ – DC
o Brown
o Medical University of SC
o U Maryland Med Ctr

- Radiation-Oncology (1)
o Henry Ford HSC – MI
§ Richmond University Med Ctr – NY -> Medicine – Preliminary

- Radiology (8)
o U Florida COM – Shands Hosp.
§ Greenwich Hospital – CT -> Medicine – Preliminary
o Norwalk Hospital – CT
§ Harbor Hospital Ctr – MD -> Medicine – Preliminary
o U Maryland Med Ctr
§ U Maryland Med Ctr -> Medicine – Preliminary
o U Maryland Med Ctr
§ U MD – Mercy Med Ctr -> Medicine – Preliminary
o U Maryland Med Ctr
§ Union Memorial Hosp – MD -> Surgery – Preliminary
o U Rochester/ Strong Mem – NY
§ GBMC – MD -> Medicine – Preliminary
o Barnes – Jewish Hosp. – MO
§ Caritas Carney – MA -> Transitional
o U Maryland Med Ctr
§ Harbor Hospital Ctr – MD -> Transitional

- Surgery – Preliminary (1)
o Cornell Univ. – Ithaca, NY

- Thoracic Surgery (1)
o U Maryland Med Ctr

- Transitional (1)
o Naval Medical Center

- Urology (4)
o Columbia University
§ NYP Hosp. -> Surgery – Preliminary
o Mt Sinai Medical Center
§ Mt Sinai Medical Center -> Surgery – Preliminary
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o U Maryland Med Ctr

- Vascular Surgery (1)
o U North Carolina Hospitals
 
rogerwilco said:
University of Maryland (Courtesy of the C/O 2013 thread):

University of Maryland 2009 Match List​


- Anesthesiology (8)
o U Utah Affil Hospitals
§ U Md – Mercy Med Ctr -> Medicine – Preliminary
o Med Coll Georgia – Augusta
§ U Maryland Med Ctr -> Medicine – Preliminary
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o Henry Ford HSC – MI
o UPMC Mercy Hosp – PA
§ Union Memorial Hosp. – MD -> Medicine – Preliminary
o U Southern California
§ U Md – Mercy Med Ctr -> Medicine – Preliminary
o U Maryland Med Ctr
§ GBMC – MD -> Medicine - Preliminary
o Oregon Health & Science Univ - OR
§ GBMC – MD -> Medicine - Preliminary

- Child Neurology (2)
o Columbia NYP
§ Westchester Med Ctr – NY -> Pediatrics
o New York University
§ St. Christophers Hosp – PA -> Pediatrics

- Dermatology (3)
o Stony Brook – NY
§ GBMC – MD -> Medicine – Preliminary
o University of Virginia
§ Washington Hosp Ctr – DC -> Medicine – Preliminary
o Washington Hosp Ctr – DC
§ U MD – Mercy Med Ctr -> Medicine – Preliminary

- Emergency Medicine (15)
o York Hospital – PA
o William Beaumont Hosp. – MI
o U Southern California
§ Franklin Square Hosp – MD -> Medicine – Preliminary
o Christiana Care – DE
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o Albert Einstein Med Ctr – PA
o UC San Francisco – Fresno – CA
o Washington Hosp Ctr – DC
o U Southern California
o SUNY HSC Brooklyn, NY
o U Michigan Hosps – Ann Arbor
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o Univ. of Chicago Med Ctr - IL

- Family Medicine (16)
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o Trident Medical Center – SC
o So. Nassau Comm Hosp – NY
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o U North Carolina Hospitals
o Franklin Square Hosp – MD
o Kaiser Perm – Woodland Hills – CA
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o Phoebe Putney Mem Hosp – GA
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o Mayo – MN
o University Hospitals Case Med Ctr – OH
o Bayfront Med Ctr – FL
o U North Carolina
o U Maryland Med Ctr

- General Surgery (6)
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o Sinai Hosp – Baltimore, MD
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o Caritas St Elizabeths Med Ctr – MA
o VCU/ MCV – Richmond, VA
o VCU/ MCV – Richmond, VA

- Internal Medicine (23)
o U Michigan Hosps - Ann Arbor
o Thomas Jefferson Univ
o Temple Univ.
o Univ. of Chicago Med Ctr – IL
o Yale
o Johns Hopkins/ Bayview – MD
o National Naval Medical Center
o UMDNJ – New Jersey Med – Newark
o University Hospitals Case Med Ctr – OH
o Yale
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o Stanford Univ.
o Vanderbilt
o Mass General Hosp
o Cedars-Sinai Medical Center – CA
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o Univ of Chicago Med Ctr – IL
o UC San Francisco – CA
o Yale
o NYP Hosp – Weill Cornell Med Ctr – NY
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o U Rochester/ Strong Mem – NY
o Hosp of the Univ of Penn.

- Internal Medicine – Preliminary (7)
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o Einstein/ Montefiore Med Ctr – NY
o Johns Hopkins/ Bayview – MD
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o George Washington Univ. – DC
o Johns Hopkins/ Bayview
o U MD – Mercy Med Ctr

- Neurological Surgery (2)
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o Loma Linda University - CA

- Neurology (4)
o Baylor Coll Med – Houston, TX
o Hosp of Univ. of Penn.
§ Washington Hosp Ctr – DC -> Medicine – Preliminary
o U North Carolina
§ Pitt County Hospital/ Brody SOM – NC -> Medicine – Preliminary
o University Hospitals Case Med Ctr – OH
§ St Johns Hospital – MI -> Medicine - Preliminary

- Obstetrics-Gynecology (5)
o Washington Hosp Ctr – DC
o Cedars-Sinai Medical Center – CA
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o Lehigh Valley Hosp - PA

- Ophthalmology (1)
o Georgetown Univ. Hosp – DC
§ Washington Hospital Ctr – DC -> Medicine – Preliminary

- Orthopaedic Surgery (4)
o SUNY Upstate
o St Lukes – Roosevelt, NY
o Union Memorial Hosp – MD
o Cleveland Clinic - OH

- Pathology (1)
o U Maryland Med Ctr

- Pediatrics (9)
o UPMC - PA
o U South Florida COM – Tampa
o Childrens Natl Med Ctr – DC
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o Jefferson Med Coll/ duPont Childrens – PA
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o Loma Linda University – CA
o NYU
o St Christophers Hosp - PA

- Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation (1)
o Harvard/ Spaulding – MA
§ Georgetown Univ Hosp – DC -> Medicine – Preliminary

- Plastic Surgery (2)
o Johns Hopkins
o Johns Hopkins

- Psychiatry (6)
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o George Washington Univ – DC
o Brown
o Medical University of SC
o U Maryland Med Ctr

- Radiation-Oncology (1)
o Henry Ford HSC – MI
§ Richmond University Med Ctr – NY -> Medicine – Preliminary

- Radiology (8)
o U Florida COM – Shands Hosp.
§ Greenwich Hospital – CT -> Medicine – Preliminary
o Norwalk Hospital – CT
§ Harbor Hospital Ctr – MD -> Medicine – Preliminary
o U Maryland Med Ctr
§ U Maryland Med Ctr -> Medicine – Preliminary
o U Maryland Med Ctr
§ U MD – Mercy Med Ctr -> Medicine – Preliminary
o U Maryland Med Ctr
§ Union Memorial Hosp – MD -> Surgery – Preliminary
o U Rochester/ Strong Mem – NY
§ GBMC – MD -> Medicine – Preliminary
o Barnes – Jewish Hosp. – MO
§ Caritas Carney – MA -> Transitional
o U Maryland Med Ctr
§ Harbor Hospital Ctr – MD -> Transitional

- Surgery – Preliminary (1)
o Cornell Univ. – Ithaca, NY

- Thoracic Surgery (1)
o U Maryland Med Ctr

- Transitional (1)
o Naval Medical Center

- Urology (4)
o Columbia University
§ NYP Hosp. -> Surgery – Preliminary
o Mt Sinai Medical Center
§ Mt Sinai Medical Center -> Surgery – Preliminary
o U Maryland Med Ctr
o U Maryland Med Ctr

- Vascular Surgery (1)
o U North Carolina Hospitals
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2 plastic surgeries at JH for UMD, nice. makes up for getting run over by memphis
 
ar2388 said:
Also, let's remember that these people coming from Harvard that don't do residencies free up spots for everyone else 🙂
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Yea, the same spots they already took from undergrads applying to medical school. . . that is, those who actually wanted to become doctors
 
Law2Doc said:
This isn't about hate. It's a VERY strange thing to put into a match list because (1) it isn't a match, it's a hiring outside of the match, and (2) it is something that is considered a failing by most med schools because pretty much all med schools have the mission, whether explicit or implicit, to educate clinicians and researchers. There are very limited seats to med school and the demand for physicians is huge. So folks who end up going into other things represent a failing by the school of their mission. Whether they lost these folks on admission or along the way is unknown, but they got into medical school and ended up going into a non-medical industry, at a time when bright minds in medicine are in high demand.

As for your point #3 above, I don't consider this a criticism of the match list because honestly this isn't something that belongs on a match list. It's not an accident that other programs don't list this. It's not a match. It's attrition from the profession. And listing them is spin. And yet another reason maybe the match list is a dangerous thing to look at, because here you are being fed a bill of goods. These smart people, after 4 years of med school (and more education than that if they truly were PhD/MD types), chose not to be doctors. At most places that wouldn't be construed positively, although this program is spinning it that way.
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Do you think your law school failed because you decided to switch careers and go into medicine?
 
SDN2013 said:
lol that's a lot of dermatology
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Last year and most years past, only a few HMS students applied/matched into dermatology. I doubt that the consulting path is popular every year but probably a fluke like derm.
 
gujuDoc said:
You know I don't think you can make that comparison or that it is fair.

Lawyers are in overabundance and therefore not all lawyers can even get good work all the time unless you are one of the best of the best from a top tier school.

A lot of lawyers are not making mad money like doctors, there is not a shortage of them, and so forth.

Medical doctors are in a far, far, far greater shortage right now and therefore, far, far, far greater demand then lawyers are. And the numbers are only rising as of late in terms of need for new physicians. This is in stark contrast to everything I've heard about the need for new lawyers.
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It doesn't matter if there is NEED or not - just because a student can get a job in a profession doesn't mean they LIKE the profession, or want to work in it (I could go out and get a job as a garbage collector - it doesn't mean I'm going to do it). The point of a professional school is to train people to work in a profession. If a student completes their education and decides to do something else, it is not a fault of the school, but an incorrect match between the student and the profession. People change careers all the time, and with the rigors of third and fourth year, it's pretty easy to determine by the end of medical school if being a physician is simply not for you. I don't see how it's any different if a medical student decides not to be a doctor, or a law student decides not to be a lawyer, or a nursing student decides not to be a nurse. The only difference is that the med students from Harvard aren't STUCK in their respective profession because of loans, b/c, hey this firm is offering them a TON OF MONEY, right out of school.

Sure, you could argue that schools need more stringent screening processes, but based on all the crying the premeds do on this forum about how they have to "jump through so many hoops" already, I can't imagine that going over well. Not to mention that we're talking about Harvard here; my guess is that all of these students got offers from many other medical schools as well.

Besides, you can't necessarily say that these students won't work for the firm for a few years and then decide to go back and do a residency.
 
diosa428 said:
Do you think your law school failed because you decided to switch careers and go into medicine?
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No, but that's apples and oranges. The two have very different missions (if law even has a mission at all). Law schools, unlike med schools don't hold themselves out as serving a public need. There has been a glut of lawyers for many decades now. Thus the schools don't really care how many people become lawyers, and admit more than the country needs, fail out a good number, and don't really care who goes into what. The state bars play the bad guy and fail a quarter to a third of examinees twice a year to prevent too many lawyers from entering practice. The nation probably benefits from law schools not having a mission of churning out more and more lawyers for specific fields.

Medicine is the opposite -- there is a need for the number of doctors who graduate, and as a result the licensing bodies allow most people to get through. It also should be noted that law doesn't filter into specific practices the same way that medicine does, and people don't match, they go off and get jobs. Law schools have no problem with folks getting a law degree and never practicing, or for folks using the degree for other fields. They don't have a mission to populate the nations law firms (and that would be a sick mission if it were). It's fine if folks go off and use their law degrees in the government, in private practice, in the business sector.
 
anyone have university of toledo's match results?
 
diosa428 said:
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Yeah, it does. Med schools have missions, explicit or implicit. Law schools don't. There are very limited seats in med school. There aren't in law school. Everyone coming out of a US allo med school will get a residency. But there's not a job for every person coming out of a US law school. So there are key distinctions --if you are giving up a precious seat in a field that desperately needs smart people, you have a duty and mission to select and train folks who will work within the profession. If instead, you are faced with a huge glut, and the best thing you could really do would be to close your doors to everyone, then it's actually not a bad thing at all when people you do take branch off into other areas. Such is the distinction of medicine vs law. A profession that needs everyone it admits vs a profession that needs more members like a hole in the head. So yes, if you admit someone to your limited seat and they don't help you in your mission, you squandered a seat. Law has nothing like this. It's apples and oranges.
 
Law2Doc said:
No, but that's apples and oranges. The two have very different missions (if law even has a mission at all). Law schools, unlike med schools don't hold themselves out as serving a public need. There has been a glut of lawyers for many decades now. Thus the schools don't really care how many people become lawyers, and admit more than the country needs, fail out a good number, and don't really care who goes into what. The state bars play the bad guy and fail a quarter to a third of examinees twice a year to prevent too many lawyers from entering practice. The nation probably benefits from law schools not having a mission of churning out more and more lawyers for specific fields.

Medicine is the opposite -- there is a need for the number of doctors who graduate, and as a result the licensing bodies allow most people to get through. It also should be noted that law doesn't filter into specific practices the same way that medicine does, and people don't match, they go off and get jobs. Law schools have no problem with folks getting a law degree and never practicing, or for folks using the degree for other fields. They don't have a mission to populate the nations law firms (and that would be a sick mission if it were). It's fine if folks go off and use their law degrees in the government, in private practice, in the business sector.
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So you that people who, after completing medical school, decided that they HATED the profession should just stick it out? Stay in the job that they hate? Or are you saying that it's the medical school's fault that everyone who completes school doesn't love medicine? I think it's a pretty standard concept on these forums that medical education doesn't differ between schools, so I find it hard to believe that Harvard is more likely to turn their students off to medicine any more than any other school. I think it's just that a Harvard education is likely to provide you with more/different opportunities than other schools due to the prestigious name on your diploma.
 
diosa428 said:
It doesn't matter if there is NEED or not - just because a student can get a job in a profession doesn't mean they LIKE the profession, or want to work in it (I could go out and get a job as a garbage collector - it doesn't mean I'm going to do it). The point of a professional school is to train people to work in a profession. If a student completes their education and decides to do something else, it is not a fault of the school, but an incorrect match between the student and the profession. People change careers all the time, and with the rigors of third and fourth year, it's pretty easy to determine by the end of medical school if being a physician is simply not for you. I don't see how it's any different if a medical student decides not to be a doctor, or a law student decides not to be a lawyer, or a nursing student decides not to be a nurse. The only difference is that the med students from Harvard aren't STUCK in their respective profession because of loans, b/c, hey this firm is offering them a TON OF MONEY, right out of school.

Sure, you could argue that schools need more stringent screening processes, but based on all the crying the premeds do on this forum about how they have to "jump through so many hoops" already, I can't imagine that going over well. Not to mention that we're talking about Harvard here; my guess is that all of these students got offers from many other medical schools as well.

Besides, you can't necessarily say that these students won't work for the firm for a few years and then decide to go back and do a residency.
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I agree with this completely. If anything, if a school can get you into a high-paying consulting gig (which aren't easy to come by), I'd say the school actually helped you become successful. EVERY YEAR from almost every medical school there are people who decide they weren't meant for clinical medicine (or research). If consulting is the best option and my school gives me the opportunities to pursue it, I'd say that's a positive.

Also, I think it's fine to list consulting on a match list. Schools list "research year" all the time and that's outside the match.
 
Law2Doc said:
So yes, if you admit someone to your limited seat and they don't help you in your mission, you squandered a seat. Law has nothing like this. It's apples and oranges.
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I am convinced it is impossible to know if being a doctor is for you until you're on rotations. It is the school's responsibility to make sure you are exposed to, and have a good experience in, various medical fields to decide which one is right for you. If the answer turns out to be "none of them", then so be it.

As far as a mission to solve the physicial shortage, there is only a shortage i primary care. Are you implying that all schools should have a mission to promote primary care? Would this make the PC mission of ECU more worthy than that of specialist-oriented schools like Harvard/Hopkins/Wash U/Duke/etc?
 
VCU/MCV (full list)


Anesthesiology Albany Med Ctr Hosp-NY
Anesthesiology Georgetown Univ Hosp-DC
Anesthesiology Georgetown Univ Hosp-DC
Anesthesiology Johns Hopkins Hosp-MD
Anesthesiology Loyola Univ Med Ctr-IL
Anesthesiology SUNY HSC Brooklyn-NY
Anesthesiology U Illinois COM-Chicago-IL
Anesthesiology U Louisville SOM-KY
Anesthesiology U North Carolina Hospitals-NC
Anesthesiology U Oklahoma COM-OK City-OK
Anesthesiology U Southern California
Anesthesiology U Texas HSC-San Antonio-TX
Anesthesiology UC San Diego Med Ctr-CA
Anesthesiology University of Virginia-VA
Anesthesiology Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Anesthesiology Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Anesthesiology Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Anesthesiology Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Anesthesiology Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Anesthesiology Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Child Neurology Childrens Natl Med Ctr-DC
Child Neurology UC San Francisco-CA
Child Neurology Univ Texas Southwestern-Dallas-TX
Dermatology Eastern VA Med School-VA
Dermatology Einstein/Montefiore Med Ctr-NY
Dermatology Mayo School of Grad Med Educ-FL
Emergency Medicine Mt. Sinai Hospital-NY
Emergency Medicine Thomas Jefferson Univ-PA
Emergency Medicine U Florida COM-Jacksonville-FL
Emergency Medicine U Southern California-CA
Emergency Medicine Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Emergency Medicine Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Emergency Medicine Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Emergency Medicine Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Emergency Medicine Wake Forest Baptist Med Ctr-NC
Family Medicine Brown Med Sch/Memorial Hosp-RI
Family Medicine Chippenham Med Ctr-VA
Family Medicine Chippenham Med Ctr-VA
Family Medicine Franklin Square Hosp-MD
Family Medicine Great Plains Med Fdn-OK
Family Medicine Lancaster Gen Hosp-PA
Family Medicine Mtn Area Health Ed Ctr-NC
Family Medicine Providence Hospital-DC
Family Medicine Riverside Reg Med Ctr-VA
Family Medicine VCU-Fairfax Family Med Res-VA
Family Medicine VCU-Fairfax Family Med Res-VA
Family Medicine VCU-Fairfax Family Med Res-VA
Family Medicine VCU-Shenandoah Valley-VA
Family Medicine/Tufts Cambridge Health Alliance-MA
Family Medicine/UIH U Illinois COM-Chicago-IL
General Surgery Kern Medical Center-CA
General Surgery Med Coll Georgia-Augusta-GA
General Surgery University Hospitals Case Med Ctr-OH
General Surgery Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
General Surgery Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Internal Medicine Boston Univ Med Ctr-MA
Internal Medicine CA Pacific Med Center-CA
Internal Medicine CA Pacific Med Center-CA
Internal Medicine Carilion Clinic-VA
Internal Medicine Exempla St Joseph Hosp-CO
Internal Medicine Harbor-UCLA Med Ctr-CA
Internal Medicine Huntington Memorial Hosp-CA
Internal Medicine Huntington Memorial Hosp-CA
Internal Medicine Johns Hopkins/Bayview-MD
Internal Medicine Mayo School of Grad Med Educ-MN
Internal Medicine Ochsner Clinic Foundation-LA
Internal Medicine Oregon Health and Science Univ-OR
Internal Medicine Temple Univ Hosp-PA
Internal Medicine Thomas Jefferson Univ-PA
Internal Medicine U Iowa Hosp and Clinics-IA
Internal Medicine U Maryland Med Ctr-MD
Internal Medicine U Maryland Med Ctr-MD
Internal Medicine U Maryland Med Ctr-MD
Internal Medicine U Minnesota Med School-MN
Internal Medicine U Southern California-CA
Internal Medicine UC Davis Med Ctr-CA
Internal Medicine UPMC Medical Education Prog-PA
Internal Medicine UPMC Medical Education Prog-PA
Internal Medicine Vanderbilt Univ Med Ctr-TN
Internal Medicine Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Internal Medicine Wake Forest Baptist Med Ctr-NC
Medicine-Pediatrics University Hospitals Case Med Ctr-OH
Medicine-Preliminary Brown U Int Med Res-RI
Medicine-Preliminary Carilion Clinic-VA
Medicine-Preliminary Englewood Hospital-NJ
Medicine-Preliminary Franklin Square Hosp-MD
Medicine-Preliminary Franklin Square Hosp-MD
Medicine-Preliminary Geisinger Health System-PA
Medicine-Preliminary Hershey Med Ctr-Penn State-PA
Medicine-Preliminary Johns Hopkins/Sinai-MD
Medicine-Preliminary NYU School of Medicine-NY
Medicine-Preliminary Pitt County Mem Hosp/Brody SOM-NC
Medicine-Preliminary UC San Diego Med Ctr-CA
Medicine-Preliminary UC San Francisco-Fresno-CA
Medicine-Preliminary University Hospitals Case Med Ctr-OH
Medicine-Preliminary Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Medicine-Preliminary Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Medicine-Preliminary Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Medicine-Preliminary Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Medicine-Preliminary Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Medicine-Preliminary Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Medicine-Preliminary Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Medicine-Preliminary Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Medicine-Preliminary Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Medicine-Preliminary Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Medicine-Preliminary Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Medicine-Preliminary Yale-New Haven Hosp-CT
Neurological Surgery U Texas Med Sch-Houston-TX
Neurology Beth Israel Med Ctr-NY
Neurology U Washington Affil Hosps-WA
Neurology Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Obstetrics-Gynecology Carilion Clinic-VA
Obstetrics-Gynecology Christiana Care-DE
Obstetrics-Gynecology Kaiser Permanente-So CA Region-CA
Obstetrics-Gynecology Lenox Hill Hospital-NY
Obstetrics-Gynecology Reading Hospital Med Ctr-PA
Obstetrics-Gynecology Tufts Medical Center-MA
Obstetrics-Gynecology U Kentucky Med Ctr-KY
Obstetrics-Gynecology U Kentucky Med Ctr-KY
Obstetrics-Gynecology Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Obstetrics-Gynecology Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Obstetrics-Gynecology Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Obstetrics-Gynecology Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Obstetrics/Gynecology Dartmouth-Hitchcock Med Ctr-NH
Obstetrics/Gynecology Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Obstetrics/Gynecology-Prelim New York Univ SOM-NY
Ophthalmology Cleveland Clinic-OH
Ophthalmology Johns Hopkins Hosp-MD
Ophthalmology SUNY Upstate-Syracuse-NY
Ophthalmology Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Orthopaedic Surgery Hamot Med Ctr-PA
Orthopaedic Surgery St Lukes-Bethlehem-PA
Orthopaedic Surgery U North Carolina Hospital-NC
Orthopaedic Surgery University of Virginia-VA
Orthopaedic Surgery Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Orthopaedic Surgery Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Orthopaedic Surgery Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Pathology Duke Univ Med Ctr-NC
Pathology Hosp of the Univ of PA- PA
Pathology Mayo School of Grad Med Educ-MN
Pathology Pitt County Mem Hosp/Brody SOM-NC
Pathology Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Pediatrics Childrens Hosp-Oakland-CA
Pediatrics INOVA Fairfax Hospital-VA
Pediatrics INOVA Fairfax Hospital-VA
Pediatrics Johns Hopkins Hosp-MD
Pediatrics Johns Hopkins Hosp-MD
Pediatrics Medical University of SC-SC
Pediatrics North Shore-LIJ Health Sys-NY
Pediatrics St Christophers Hosp-PA
Pediatrics U Louisville SOM-KY
Pediatrics U Tennessee COM-Memphis-TN
Pediatrics UC San Francisco-CA
Pediatrics UC San Francisco-Fresno-CA
Pediatrics University of Virginia-VA
Pediatrics University of Virginia-VA
Pediatrics Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Pediatrics Yale-New Haven Hosp-CT
Pediatrics-Preliminary Childrens Natl Med Ctr-DC
Peds/Psych/Child Psych Mt Sinai Hospital-NY
Phys Medicine and Rehab University of Virginia-VA
Phys Medicine and Rehab UPMC Medical Education Prog-PA
Phys Medicine and Rehab Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Phys Medicine and Rehab Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Psychiatry Brown Univ Psych Res-RI
Psychiatry Einstein/Montefiore Med Ctr-NY
Psychiatry St Vincents Hospital-NY
Psychiatry Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Radiation-Oncology Georgetown Univ Hosp-DC
Radiology-Diagnostic Geisinger Health System-PA
Radiology-Diagnostic Hosp of the Univ of PA-PA
Radiology-Diagnostic Morristown Mem Hosp-NJ
Radiology-Diagnostic Morristown Mem Hosp-NJ
Radiology-Diagnostic Newark Beth Israel Med Ctr-NJ
Radiology-Diagnostic Santa Barbara Cottage Hosp-CA
Radiology-Diagnostic U Florida COM-Jacksonville-FL
Radiology-Diagnostic U Florida COM-Shands Hosp-FL
Radiology-Diagnostic U Florida COM-Shands Hosp-FL
Radiology-Diagnostic U Maryland Med Ctr-MD
Radiology-Diagnostic U Maryland Med Ctr-MD
Radiology-Diagnostic UMDNJ-R W Johnson- Piscataway-NJ
Radiology-Diagnostic University of Virginia-VA
Radiology-Diagnostic Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Radiology-Diagnostic Virginia Mason Med Ctr-WA
Radiology-Diagnostic West Virginia Univ SOM-WV
Radiology-Diagnostic Yale-New Haven Hosp-CT
Surgery-Preliminary Beth Israel Med Ctr-NY
Surgery-Preliminary Brooke Army Medical Center-TX
Surgery-Preliminary Kaiser Permanente-So CA Region-CA
Surgery-Preliminary Massachusetts Gen Hosp-MA
Surgery-Preliminary Univ of Texas/HSC-Houston-TX
Surgery-Preliminary University of Virginia-VA
Surgery-Preliminary University of Virginia-VA
Surgery-Preliminary Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Surgery-Preliminary Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Surgery-Preliminary Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Surgery-Preliminary Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
Transitional Carilion Clinic-VA
Transitional Harbor Hospital Ctr-MD
Transitional Mayo School of Grad Med Educ-FL
Transitional Northwestern McGaw/ENH-IL
Transitional Riverside Reg Med Ctr-VA
Transitional St Josephs-Syracuse-NY
Transitional University of Hawaii-HI
Transitional UPMC Presbyterian Shadyside-PA
Transitional/Derm Mayo School of Grad Med Educ-FL
Urology Brooke Army Medical Center-TX
Urology Kaiser Foundation Hospital-LA-CA
Urology Univ of Texas/HSC-Houston-TX
Urology Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys-VA
* Dec 09 Graduate
* Harvard MPH
* MPH
* MPH
* Post Doctoral Fellowship NIH or VCU
* Research
* Will wait one year
* Will wait one year
 
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So you that people who, after completing medical school, decided that they HATED the profession should just stick it out? Stay in the job that they hate? ...
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No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying the people can and should go do what they need to. But I'm saying it is a failing by the med school, either in its admissions or in generating enthusiasm once the person is in med school. So the school ought not be BRAGGING about it by PUTTING IT ON A MATCH LIST. They should be saying %$#*, we dropped the ball here.
 
MrBurns10 said:
...If anything, if a school can get you into a high-paying consulting gig (which aren't easy to come by), I'd say the school actually helped you become successful....
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Sure. But they did this at the expense of one of their very limited seats. A seat that could have been used by someone who actually wanted to become a doctor, and fulfill the school's mission -- TO TRAIN DOCTORS. It's like living in a starving country and using one of the few farms to grow tobacco. Sure the farmer might get rich, but at the expense of the real need the farm was set up for. It's basically a "best use" doctrine, and this is not the best use for the school to devote one of its few seats. I'm not saying anybody should be forced to do anything other than what they want to do, career wise. I'm saying a school shouldn't brag about, what is in fact a failing of their primary mission. Notice that you aren't seeing other medical schools using their match lists in this way.
 
Fancy Rhetoric is all well and good till someone approaches you with a 6 figure cosulting gig.

But I agree with L2D that a med school shouldnt be bragging about how they drove a group of their students out of medicine.
 
Law2Doc said:
No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying the people can and should go do what they need to. But I'm saying it is a failing by the med school, either in its admissions or in generating enthusiasm once the person is in med school. So the school ought not be BRAGGING about it by PUTTING IT ON A MATCH LIST. They should be saying %$#*, we dropped the ball here.
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#1 - Failure by the med school in its' admissions process + Harvard = does not compute. You know as well as I do that those kids probably had waaaay more acceptances in hand than just that one. We all know that Harvard admits the kids that every school wants to have.

#2 - Failure to generate enthusiasm? Really? You think these kids picked a cushy consulting job b/c Harvard didn't generate their enthusiasm? I think it's more likely that medicine didn't generate their enthusiasm.

#3 - I agree with MrBurns - why not put it on a match list? They're not BRAGGING, they're listing where their grads to after school, because generally people want to know. Do schools tell their students, "No, we're not going to put your crappy #20 on your list, backup family medicine residency on our match list because we don't want to brag about that" or "No, we can't put your postdoc research position on the list because you're not going to be a real practicing physician"?
 
MrBurns10 said:
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As far as a mission to solve the physicial shortage, there is only a shortage i primary care. Are you implying that all schools should have a mission to promote primary care? Would this make the PC mission of ECU more worthy than that of specialist-oriented schools like Harvard/Hopkins/Wash U/Duke/etc?
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There are only 15.6k US med students, and over 24k residency slots. So demand exceeds supply in the US. We have to import people to fill the shortfall. It is a cross-specialty issue. Which is why all med schools have a mission, either explicit or implicit, to train DOCTORS. Not specifically primary care, but folks who go on to residency slots.

Now, there is also, as you suggest, a different kind of shortage in primary care, given that the number of residency slots is not generating the number of doctors needed in this field. But that is a different issue, and not within the control of med schools, which can only feed residencies. The feds will have to address that one. (Or not, since the generation following the baby boomer generation is substantially smaller.)
 
diosa428 said:
#1 - Failure by the med school in its' admissions process + Harvard = does not compute. You know as well as I do that those kids probably had waaaay more acceptances in hand than just that one. We all know that Harvard admits the kids that every school wants to have.

#2 - Failure to generate enthusiasm? Really? You think these kids picked a cushy consulting job b/c Harvard didn't generate their enthusiasm? I think it's more likely that medicine didn't generate their enthusiasm.

#3 - I agree with MrBurns - why not put it on a match list? They're not BRAGGING, they're listing where their grads to after school, because generally people want to know. Do schools tell their students, "No, we're not going to put your crappy #20 on your list, backup family medicine residency on our match list because we don't want to brag about that" or "No, we can't put your postdoc research position on the list because you're not going to be a real practicing physician"?
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And yet I don't see other schools listing multiple people "matching" into management consulting on their Match List... Hmmm. Wonder why. Could it be that it doesn't belong there? Or that it's not a positive thing for the school?

And "why not put it in a match list?" Because IT'S NOT A MATCH. The "match" is a very specific term relating to applying to and then matching into or scrambling into a residency program, run by NRMP. If you didn't get your position through this route, you didn't "match" into it and thus it doesn't belong on a match list. By contrast, the "crappy #20... backup family medicine residency" IS a match. It comes from going through the NRMP procedures and thus BELONGS on a match list. Now you're just being silly saying something that is clearly a product of the match should be given lesser billing because you somehow have a bias toward high paying consulting vs something that MEDICAL SCHOOL WAS ACTUALLY DESIGNED TO DO but perhaps is beneath the typical grad of this particular school.
 
gujuDoc said:
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Where I agree with MrBurns is that a lot of shortage is either due to a lack of people in a given field or lack of people in a given region of the uS where doctors are more in shortage i.e. rural places vs. certain richer parts of urban places where docs are in abundance. And the other part of our problem in medicine is shortage in given fields due to lack of money where there is much larger financial debt and more and more disillusioned people. So that makes it much tougher to solve the problems we face in terms of shortage in the field.
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You missed my prior post where I addressed this. Again, there's a shortage of doctors in certain fields, which med schools can't correct, and there's a shortfall of residents, which the med school has a mission to address. Med schools are designed to send folks on to residency. There are more residency slots than US medical student graduates, so there is a shortfall. To the extent people don't go on to residency, the med school isn't doing its part. Right now, there are more residency slots than the 15.6k US med school graduates. So all of them are needed -- demand far outstrips supply. That is the ONLY shortfall med schools need to be concerned about and there are residency slots in all specialties. The other thing that Mr Burns and you are talking about is the fact that in certain regions of the country and in certain primary care specialties, there is a shortage of physicians. That isn't something med schools can address -- it needs to be addressed, if at all, by a change in the number of residencies. Which won't happen at the med school level, but rather at the residency level. So that point doesn't come into play here. If residency programs were losing people to management consulting instead of sending them off to do FP in rural states, that would be a fair point, but it's not the concern here.
 
Law2Doc said:
And yet I don't see other schools listing multiple people "matching" into management consulting on their Match List... Hmmm. Wonder why. Could it be that it doesn't belong there? Or that it's not a positive thing for the school?

And "why not put it in a match list?" Because IT'S NOT A MATCH. The "match" is a very specific term relating to applying to and then matching into or scrambling into a residency program, run by NRMP. If you didn't get your position through this route, you didn't "match" into it and thus it doesn't belong on a match list. By contrast, the "crappy #20... backup family medicine residency" IS a match. It comes from going through the NRMP procedures and thus BELONGS on a match list. Now you're just being silly saying something that is clearly a product of the match should be given lesser billing because you somehow have a bias toward high paying consulting vs something that MEDICAL SCHOOL WAS ACTUALLY DESIGNED TO DO but perhaps is beneath the typical grad of this particular school.
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Arguing whether or not to include consulting positions into the match list is a matter of syntax and/or definition of "matching".

Implying that Harvard Medical School failed because some of its students decided to pursue consulting in lieu of practicing is one of the most idiotic leaps of logic I think I've read from a veteran poster on SDN. How can you possibly defend such an untenable position?
 
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