2010-2011 Internship Thread

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I don't understand why sites have vacancies after hosting interviews. Obviously they pour over apps and selected the best of those apps for interviews, so how does a site still have an opening after all that work? If they didn't like the best of the best what are they hoping to find with candidates that come into the Clearing House? (no offense to anyone that will use Clearing House) Isn't the assumption that they had selected the best match and interviewed candidates. Enlighten me please.

My guess is that since we aren't allowed to tell sites where they rank for us, sites end up ranking who they like, but those people may not have felt the same about the site. Also, since it is super competitive, I bet the best people get the most interviews, but can of course only place at one site. That means the other 10 (or w/e) sites they applied to, who may have ranked them highly, won't get them. This is why I think we should be limited to the # of sites we can apply to. While I get rejected from a site I LOVED, someone who doesn't really care about them but has better credentials may get an interview and then not even match. That could have been my spot!

It is a broken system 🙁
 
Wow, that last little infight really put a damper on people's talkativeness huh?

I need you all! You distract me from my anxiety and provide comic relief! I feel so lost!!! :help:
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHzdsFiBbFc[/YOUTUBE]

humour is distracting😀
 
[YOUTUBE]sHzdsFiBbFc[/YOUTUBE]

humour is distracting😀

hahahahahhahahahahahahahahah

OH MY GOD THAT WAS HILARIOUS! And yes, only obnoxious caps could express that accurately. AND, just to put a cherry on top, it says at the end the film was made by the First Church of Christ. If my parents' church had made videos like that I DEF would have gone more often!

Thank you for that!!
 
i'm with you isitover, has anyone heard from lij child?

I emailed today and i got a reply that there had been a clerical error sending out some notifications (which seemed to me like they were referring to rejection notifications)
 
I emailed today and i got a reply that there had been a clerical error sending out some notifications (which seemed to me like they were referring to rejection notifications)

Oooo...well, ya never know! Could be invites too...
 
HVD2011,
Just curious, would you be comfortable sharing what you feel you've learned from the process this year, and what insights you've gained about the whole thing?

While not from this year, I'll give my 2 cents about the experience, both as a former applicant, and also as someone on the other side now.

1. It is probably the most tiring thing you will do, next to defending.....so start early!

2. Fit, fit, and fit. You can have all of the stats in the world, but if the site doesn't see how what you need/want fits with what they offer....you won't get an interview.

3. Get feedback about your application and your site selection from faculty that know you and have been on the other end. As an applicant I didn't really understand what the sites were looking for, so I asked a couple of faculty members (and former DCTs) to help.

4. If every site you are considering gets 150-200+ applications and interviews 15 people for 2 spots, you better have a stellar application and be applying to at least 10 sites.

5. Dissertation status matters. Sites do not like to have their former interns floating out there struggling to finish their dissertations and unable to go on post-doc. Make sure to at least have your proposal approved, and hopefully have your data collected. In an Employer's market, you will not be marketable unless you have your doctorate in hand.

6. Understand the Pro's / Con's of the different Acred. types. Personally I wouldn't consider anything that wasn't APA-approved, but different people have different priorities and circumstances.

7. If you do not match, recruit two people with laptops/computer access to help you out with Clearing House. One person monitors the e-mails, you Yay/Nay the sites, and one is updating the addresses and DCT names for the cover letters.

8. The best sites are usually gone within the first day, and many times within the first few hours. Many sites will close out accepting apps rather quickly, which is why you need to do #7. Sites can trickle through after that, but the biggest collection of APA-acred sites match go in the first day.

I don't understand why sites have vacancies after hosting interviews. Obviously they pour over apps and selected the best of those apps for interviews, so how does a site still have an opening after all that work?

Some sites may invite 30 people, and after the interviews feel good about ranking 20. That may be okay if they never have to go past #10 to fill their spots, but some places may want to have more people ranked, so they offer another round of interviews. Ultimately, some sites may rather go unmatched than rank people that won't fit as well (in their opinion). While the Clearing House isn't an ideal process, there can be some great candidates that land there, and also some good sites.
 
While not from this year, I'll give my 2 cents about the experience, both as a former applicant, and also as someone on the other side now....

Thank you so much for sharing this (and so clearly and concisely - that skill must have helped your cover letters!). I esp appreciate #7, as clearinghouse seems likely to be a reality for many of us. While I am keeping the mindset that I will match, I may need to start recruiting those two people now.
 
My guess is that since we aren't allowed to tell sites where they rank for us, sites end up ranking who they like, but those people may not have felt the same about the site. Also, since it is super competitive, I bet the best people get the most interviews, but can of course only place at one site. That means the other 10 (or w/e) sites they applied to, who may have ranked them highly, won't get them. This is why I think we should be limited to the # of sites we can apply to. While I get rejected from a site I LOVED, someone who doesn't really care about them but has better credentials may get an interview and then not even match. That could have been my spot!

It is a broken system 🙁

I understand the heartbreak of getting rejected from a site that you love, but for people who get a ton of interviews it doesn't mean that they don't love/like/have affection for all of them. I have 11 interviews and I am excited about every single one of them for different reasons. Neither I nor the site will be able to fully gauge what our perfect match is without meeting each other. Unless I get my first choice, I'm sure I'll rank some sites higher than they will rank me and vice versa. People pick "back ups" but many have stated on here that they got rejections from their back ups so even that is a flawed way of picking sites. Also, people pick these back up sites out of fear/anxiety/what have you because the reality is 800 (or how ever many) people won't match, and then others will have to match through clearinghouse. There really is no scientific approach to the match. It's an arbitrary system. I think we all have regrets and bitterness about this process.
 
Some sites may invite 30 people, and after the interviews feel good about ranking 20. That may be okay if they never have to go past #10 to fill their spots, but some places may want to have more people ranked, so they offer another round of interviews. Ultimately, some sites may rather go unmatched than rank people that won't fit as well (in their opinion). While the Clearing House isn't an ideal process, there can be some great candidates that land there, and also some good sites.

I want to echo one of these points. For those of you thinking that you may have to go to the clearinghouse it actually can be an extremely positive process. In fact I have heard of people saying I wish I could of done this without ever having to participate in the match. I know plenty of people who got sites that they really enjoyed through the clearinghouse. It's not like you're waiting in line for government cheese! There can be plenty of top-notch sites that have a spot or two open. I will like to re-iterate a point I made earlier about the clearinghouse, if you get an offer you should take it! If you are hesitant or say let me get back to you, they will just call the next person on their list. If you decide you can't do that and would rather wait another year that's an option as well. You can't just assume though if you pass one call you'll get another because it's kinda like a dog race.
 
I understand the heartbreak of getting rejected from a site that you love, but for people who get a ton of interviews it doesn't mean that they don't love/like/have affection for all of them. I have 11 interviews and I am excited about every single one of them for different reasons. Neither I nor the site will be able to fully gauge what our perfect match is without meeting each other. Unless I get my first choice, I'm sure I'll rank some sites higher than they will rank me and vice versa. People pick "back ups" but many have stated on here that they got rejections from their back ups so even that is a flawed way of picking sites. Also, people pick these back up sites out of fear/anxiety/what have you because the reality is 800 (or how ever many) people won't match, and then others will have to match through clearinghouse. There really is no scientific approach to the match. It's an arbitrary system. I think we all have regrets and bitterness about this process.

I am actually pretty regret free but agree with you totally that there is currently no scientific approach on our parts w/ app and interviews and it is an arbitrary process. My point is, 10 of your 11 sites will not match with you (and from what we've heard, many who have a large number of interviews still won't match). Thus, you potentially have sites with unfilled openings. That's all I'm saying. The match process itself IS scientific in a way, there is a clear process through which the Match agency goes, we just have trouble wrapping our brains around it because it is so complicated.
 
I am actually pretty regret free but agree with you totally that there is currently no scientific approach on our parts w/ app and interviews and it is an arbitrary process. My point is, 10 of your 11 sites will not match with you (and from what we've heard, many who have a large number of interviews still won't match). Thus, you potentially have sites with unfilled openings. That's all I'm saying. The match process itself IS scientific in a way, there is a clear process through which the Match agency goes, we just have trouble wrapping our brains around it because it is so complicated.

Yes, number of interviews is not indicative of matching or not. I know people who have had 2 or 3 interviews match and people with 15 not match! Which is why I have been trying to send out positive energy to those that are dejected because they only received a couple of interviews. They break down how the match system works on the appic site so I have a good understanding of how it works, but you still have humans ranking other humans and I think that's where the arbitrariness comes from. You may go in thinking I did excellent or bad at a particular interview, and the interviewer may have viewed the situation differently. Or you interview at a place thats not your top choice and it comes out in the interview. I mean I could literally type out dozens of different factors. Basically, at the end of the day there are some leftovers, sites that don't have all their spots covered because the people they chose to rank got placed somewhere else, and students because unfortunately they happened to be ranked #4 at a place that only had 3 spots. I guess the moral is we have to go into every interview like its our first choice and then see what happens!
 
Did anyone apply to GeoCare in South Florida? I am waiting for a response from them still.
 
Did anyone apply to GeoCare in South Florida? I am waiting for a response from them still.

I did. Got "passed over" on Dec 1st. Hopefully no news is good news? Might want to check their notification date and e-mail them if it has passed. Good luck!
 
Which one, I noticed there are a couple.

Did you apply to the south florida state hospital one or the south flroida assessment and treatment, or treasure coast?
 
Which one, I noticed there are a couple.

Did you apply to the south florida state hospital one or the south flroida assessment and treatment, or treasure coast?
Which one, I noticed there are a couple.

Did you apply to the south florida state hospital one or the south flroida assessment and treatment, or treasure coast?
 
Which one, I noticed there are a couple.

Did you apply to the south florida state hospital one or the south flroida assessment and treatment, or treasure coast?

South Florida. I believe that is the only one that is APA accredited.
 
Got a call from Marcus Autism this morning. They said that they sent me a letter with information and I should receive it in a few days. Sounds like a sure rejection. 🙁
 
What does it mean to be on the waitlist for an interview? Does anyone know when Woodhull's interview dates are just in case?
 
Just heard from Geisinger.

To the above... I think being on a waitlist means that if they have room for whatever reason you will be given an interview slot.
 
Just heard from Geisinger.

To the above... I think being on a waitlist means that if they have room for whatever reason you will be given an interview slot.


What did Geisinger say? I am still waiting....
 
lol IsItOver


I think if the referee wanted us to see the letter they would send us a copy. This sounds like a big red-flag...

It is true that edieb`s practice is unethical in a strict sense. However I have endorsed this practice myself. There is too much at stake to have petty letter writers ruin several years of work in a vindictive letter. You might think that letter writers would be graceful or that you would be able to discern a negative "grinch." That simply is not always the case. Moreover even if not explicitly negative, you want the very best letter writers. The match is no longer about competition. It's a numbers game and it's about luck. Too many overqualified people do not get matched. It is a fallacy to believe that if you match you were the guaranteed best person for the job. A letter that is less than priceless can be a serious deterrent to sites.

Folks, this is the Match. People will disagree with me but the numbers say it all. Many of you now know how crazy this process is. You all got rejected at sites you thought you were definitely a good match at even though you may have exactly the experience they were looking for (as indicated in their brochure or through email communiques). Likewise, perhaps you are like me and received an interview or two at a place you did not expect. I hope this year was a wake-up call. I was sad that I could not monitor my letters this year and I received even less interviews than last year!
 
Waitlist from Woodhull

Still waiting to hear from:
Dutchess
Hudson River
 
It is true that edieb`s practice is unethical in a strict sense. However I have endorsed this practice myself. There is too much at stake to have petty letter writers ruin several years of work in a vindictive letter. You might think that letter writers would be graceful or that you would be able to discern a negative "grinch." That simply is not always the case. Moreover even if not explicitly negative, you want the very best letter writers. The match is no longer about competition. It's a numbers game and it's about luck. Too many overqualified people do not get matched. It is a fallacy to believe that if you match you were the guaranteed best person for the job. A letter that is less than priceless can be a serious deterrent to sites.

Folks, this is the Match. People will disagree with me but the numbers say it all. Many of you now know how crazy this process is. You all got rejected at sites you thought you were definitely a good match at even though you may have exactly the experience they were looking for (as indicated in their brochure or through email communiques). Likewise, perhaps you are like me and received an interview or two at a place you did not expect. I hope this year was a wake-up call. I was sad that I could not monitor my letters this year and I received even less interviews than last year!

I concur, Manko. I asked all my reference writers to send me a copy of the letter because I wanted to be strategic it what letters I used for which sites. I had four people writing me letters and while they said similar things they each had something different they emphasized about me. I read each sites brochure and picked the ones that I thought would make me look best for that site. I only slightly disagree on one point, I too believe it is a numbers/luck game, but I think there is still some competition involved. On the same token, I think you can do everything "right" and still not match. Which is why even though I have a decent number of interviews I'm not letting myself get comfortable. I am sorry to hear that you received less interviews, but that is not indicative of whether or not you will match, and I am hoping that you do.
 
From the UCSD rejection letter:

We believe in giving early notification to the applicants whom we most likely will not consider further so that they can make appropriate plans.


And we also believe that the word "early" can be interpreted to mean "two days past the deadline."
 
From the UCSD rejection letter:

We believe in giving early notification to the applicants whom we most likely will not consider further so that they can make appropriate plans.

And we also believe that the word "early" can be interpreted to mean "two days past the deadline."

Nice (sarcasm) 👎
 
The dates for Hudson (poughkeepsie) are the same at both sites, the last 3 weeks in January every Tuesday and Thursday. I hope you receive good news IsItOver!

On another subject (and without any intention of starting an argument),
I had some pretty terrible experiences with my LOR's. I was able to see one of my letters from my dissertation chair (which thankfully, was really great). On December 2nd, I found out from one the sites that I applied to that one of my letters had my name at the top (heading) but another person's name in the body of the letter. This was after all my apllications had been submitted with this letter........ Sooooo, although I would never ask for a copy of a letter (because I'm chicken), it would be great to make sure the letters were free of errors and mistakes such as the above mentioned.....

:xf:Still sending out good vibes to all you guys waiting....
 
Call them!

I called yesterday, and 2 sites got back to me (including hudson) and said no, and one said yes!


Did Hudson River call or email you? I am still waiting to hear from them even after sending an email yeserday. Not sure what to think....

Congrats on your interview!
 
The dates for Hudson (poughkeepsie) are the same at both sites, the last 3 weeks in January every Tuesday and Thursday. I hope you receive good news IsItOver!

On another subject (and without any intention of starting an argument),
I had some pretty terrible experiences with my LOR's. I was able to see one of my letters from my dissertation chair (which thankfully, was really great). On December 2nd, I found out from one the sites that I applied to that one of my letters had my name at the top (heading) but another person's name in the body of the letter. This was after all my apllications had been submitted with this letter........ Sooooo, although I would never ask for a copy of a letter (because I'm chicken), it would be great to make sure the letters were free of errors and mistakes such as the above mentioned.....

:xf:Still sending out good vibes to all you guys waiting....

Haha yaahhh...I wasn't referred to by another name, but my dissertation chair did referred to me as a male a few times (and I am pretty sure I am female). He also made a mistake in describing my research AND had the same concluding paragraph twice. Thankfully I did not add him on the portal until after he sent me a copy (which I knew he would). He seemed annoyed he could not upload it right away, but I am sooo glad I got the chance to revise his letter before it went public. My current supervisor has a tendency to have lots of typos too, and I did not see his letter. I am sure it said good things, but worry that if it doesn't look professional it won't be taken as seriously.

Thanks for the good thoughts. Still no word from Hudson and I am totally scared to contact them b/c I don't want bad news!
 
Did Hudson River call or email you? I am still waiting to hear from them even after sending an email yeserday. Not sure what to think....

Congrats on your interview!
Hudson called me, possibly because I called them, maybe otherwise they would email you, dunno.

I think calling at this point is perfectly fine. The truth is it shows that you are interested in their site, and if you leave a voicemail you should actually say "I am interested in your site and I just wanted to follow up about the status of my application." It shows initiative, as long as you dont keep calling and bugging them.

I have one more I am waiting on from 12/15, and I already called yesterday, so I think I am stuck waiting with this one.
 
I called and left a message with Hudson yesterday, too but still no word back. I wonder if the Rockland site is just behind because it seems like most people who have heard have gotten word from Poughkeepsie.

I would encourage you to call, IsItOver but just know that I haven't heard back despite my call. I don't want to be a pain and call them again today so I guess I just have to wait.
 
I called and left a message with Hudson yesterday, too but still no word back. I wonder if the Rockland site is just behind because it seems like most people who have heard have gotten word from Poughkeepsie.

I would encourage you to call, IsItOver but just know that I haven't heard back despite my call. I don't want to be a pain and call them again today so I guess I just have to wait.
I applied to the Rockland site
 
Finally sucked it up and called Hudson. Left a VM. That was like the most nerve wracking thing so far! And now I am having these irrational thoughts: Did I sound ok? Was it professional? B/c now she has another basis on which to judge me and hopefully it sounded super professional and calm and nice and it will bolster my app but it could always go the other way!

Yup...officially loosing it. lol

But doesn't the TD sound really young and super nice? If I get a rejection now it'll sting even more!!

:xf::xf::xf::xf::xf::xf::xf::xf::xf::xf:
 
Finally sucked it up and called Hudson. Left a VM. That was like the most nerve wracking thing so far! And now I am having these irrational thoughts: Did I sound ok? Was it professional? B/c now she has another basis on which to judge me and hopefully it sounded super professional and calm and nice and it will bolster my app but it could always go the other way!

Yup...officially loosing it. lol

But doesn't the TD sound really young and super nice? If I get a rejection now it'll sting even more!!

:xf::xf::xf::xf::xf::xf::xf::xf::xf::xf:

So funny - I called a site too, for another reason, and my heart was pounding, breathing was shallow -

I am losing it too!

Good luck with everything, I hope you get some good news very soon.
 
Finally sucked it up and called Hudson. Left a VM. That was like the most nerve wracking thing so far! And now I am having these irrational thoughts: Did I sound ok? Was it professional? B/c now she has another basis on which to judge me and hopefully it sounded super professional and calm and nice and it will bolster my app but it could always go the other way!

Yup...officially loosing it. lol

But doesn't the TD sound really young and super nice? If I get a rejection now it'll sting even more!!

:xf::xf::xf::xf::xf::xf::xf::xf::xf::xf:
I just called and left a voicemail, too. The director does seem really nice. I spoke to her once before with a question and she was incredibly kind. Then, there was a problem with my app. where a symbol was showing up that it was incomplete, altough it wasn't. I emailed her about it, and she wrote back the sweetest email apologizing for my stress, and that they would be sure to review the whole thing. Here's to hoping we both get good news from her soon!
 
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