2012-2013 Wayne State University Application Thread

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mrbobian said:
I'm IS. 29/3.9 GPA. Small town. Minimal "clinical" experience but strong research and other factors that I feel replace "clinical." Seems as if several waitlisted students with good news were in a similar range?
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Yes that's what it seems like. Has anyone called to see if there will be more acceptances this week, from what the office told me they were going to accept on Thursday/Friday. Looks like they went ahead and sent them yesterday, but hopefully there will be more spots open.
 
i assume that they would wait a bit before sending out more offers since they gave the new acceptances 3 weeks to decide. but that is completely a guess
 
Agh I wonder what I did to get so low on the list.

OOS MCAT >35 GPA >3.7
 
I was accepted yesterday off the wait-list and I'm Canadian.
 
lionsfan1 said:
Yes that's what it seems like. Has anyone called to see if there will be more acceptances this week, from what the office told me they were going to accept on Thursday/Friday. Looks like they went ahead and sent them yesterday, but hopefully there will be more spots open.
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I called them today, they will be sending more emails tomorrow and then again in 3 weeks later, or as soon as the new acceptances decline the acceptance offer.
 
torredchally said:
I called them today, they will be sending more emails tomorrow and then again in 3 weeks later, or as soon as the new acceptances decline the acceptance offer.
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thanks for the info!
Im in a kind of weird spot, my girlfriend (and basically future fiance) and I were both all in for MSUCHM. We both obviously want to live together, and were looking into apartments in EL since we were both placed there. Now that she got into Wayne, she's waiting to see if I do as well before she accepts or denies the spot.

So basically I have three weeks to get in or she will deny it. What would suck is if I get in after the three weeks and she already turned them down. Do you think this is something I should bring up to admissions? I don't even know if this matters for admission purposes but its just a strange situation.

Hopefully I'll get an email tomorrow, or else I don't really know what to do.
 
jaywags234 said:
thanks for the info!
Im in a kind of weird spot, my girlfriend (and basically future fiance) and I were both all in for MSUCHM. We both obviously want to live together, and were looking into apartments in EL since we were both placed there. Now that she got into Wayne, she's waiting to see if I do as well before she accepts or denies the spot.

So basically I have three weeks to get in or she will deny it. What would suck is if I get in after the three weeks and she already turned them down. Do you think this is something I should bring up to admissions? I don't even know if this matters for admission purposes but its just a strange situation.

Hopefully I'll get an email tomorrow, or else I don't really know what to do.
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Writing them a letter and asking to speak with the Dean of Admissions can't hurt. Have your girl friend call when there are only a couple days left to decide in order to explain your situation and ask for an extension to the 3 week deadline.
 
If you both would attend Wayne over MSU for sure, I would try to let admissions know ASAP so that they can take this information into consideration. Don't wait on this. If it makes a difference, then great, otherwise no harm done but it should be something that they should know sooner the better.

Edit because I read that you were already engaged (bit in your post you said almost). It makes a difference if you were actually engaged (similar situation happened with one of my friends), and not so much if you're still dating.
 
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torredchally said:
Writing them a letter and asking to speak with the Dean of Admissions can't hurt. Have your girl friend call when there are only a couple days left to decide in order to explain your situation and ask for an extension to the 3 week deadline.
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Thanks for the advice!




psycam said:
If you both would attend Wayne over MSU for sure, I would try to let admissions know ASAP so that they can take this information into consideration. Don't wait on this. If it makes a difference, then great, otherwise no harm done but it should be something that they should know sooner the better.

Edit because I read that you were already engaged (bit in your post you said almost). It makes a difference if you were actually engaged (similar situation happened with one of my friends), and not so much if you're still dating.
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Yeah, I figured since its not official it wouldn't be as relevant to admissions but thanks for the advice anyway!

My girlfriend actually made a joke about getting engaged next week and seeing if that would make any difference.... at least I hope it was a joke :laugh::laugh:
 
ughhh I just got accepted off of waitlist.... I dont know what to do. Drexel or Wayne. My head >.<

OOS, 29R/3.8
 
Make a list of pros/cons.

Are you IS for either? Which location/curriculum do you like more? Which is cheaper?
 
no... I wonder if they actually sent out a batch today or maybe they will Monday? I can't take the waiting anymore...
 
jaywags234 said:
no... I wonder if they actually sent out a batch today or maybe they will Monday? I can't take the waiting anymore...
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I called the admissions office yesterday and they told me they weren't sending out any more acceptances till June unfortunately. I was really hoping the person I talked to was wrong (especially after reading some more responses posted yesterday) but alas it appears to be a few more weeks of waiting unfortunately 🙁
 
wingedhelmet said:
I called the admissions office yesterday and they told me they weren't sending out any more acceptances till June unfortunately. I was really hoping the person I talked to was wrong (especially after reading some more responses posted yesterday) but alas it appears to be a few more weeks of waiting unfortunately 🙁
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I called too and it looks like they sent out acceptances and the next time they will be accepting will be if these students don't take those spots.
 
Is there a facebook group we can join for the incoming class? Thanks!
 
I just recently submitted my FAFSA and also got accepted off the waitlist. I was wondering how long it would take them to let me know financial aid/scholarship information? Because the OOS tuition is simply too expensive, if no scholarship/bursaries are awarded :S

Thanks in advance 🙂
 
This is a better question for the financial aid office. I'm going to give you my perspective but I don't want to give false info. --> contact here: (313) 577-1039

But, in my experience it's taken a month or more to get my financial aid package back after submitting FAFSA. I do not know if they are getting through them faster on account of people needing to make decisions, or what, but that's basically the clip they've been on both times I've gotten reads.

I'm OOS as well. The price tag is hefty, to say the least. I did get a fairly decent aid package from school that was need-based. Not mind-blowing, but helped take the sting away a little bit.

Good luck with your decision!

jubilantx said:
I just recently submitted my FAFSA and also got accepted off the waitlist. I was wondering how long it would take them to let me know financial aid/scholarship information? Because the OOS tuition is simply too expensive, if no scholarship/bursaries are awarded :S

Thanks in advance 🙂
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Have any in-state students received their financial aid packages? I haven't received mine yet (was accepted back in March), but am trying to get an idea of how much scholarship money they offer. Thanks in advance! 🙂
 
togaedere said:
This is a better question for the financial aid office. I'm going to give you my perspective but I don't want to give false info. --> contact here: (313) 577-1039

But, in my experience it's taken a month or more to get my financial aid package back after submitting FAFSA. I do not know if they are getting through them faster on account of people needing to make decisions, or what, but that's basically the clip they've been on both times I've gotten reads.

I'm OOS as well. The price tag is hefty, to say the least. I did get a fairly decent aid package from school that was need-based. Not mind-blowing, but helped take the sting away a little bit.

Good luck with your decision!
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Thanks!!
 
Shouraisei said:
Have any in-state students received their financial aid packages? I haven't received mine yet (was accepted back in March), but am trying to get an idea of how much scholarship money they offer. Thanks in advance! 🙂
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Did you try logging in to pipeline and checking? I received mine a long time ago but it took them a month to notify me (meanwhile it was posted online). I'm in state.
 
CatalyzeMe said:
Did you try logging in to pipeline and checking? I received mine a long time ago but it took them a month to notify me (meanwhile it was posted online). I'm in state.
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Thanks for the response. I just received it today! I've been checking, but the official award and email just showed up today.
 
I just started looking for a place to stay and I realize some of the nice lofts and apartments are full. Does anyone have any recommendations as to where to stay? I'm looking for a place nearby campus in midtown or downtown with a parking garage and utilities included in rent (just a plus for all the heating required during winter), any ideas???
 
Something I would do in your situation is get myself on the roommate finder google doc ASAP. I don't know anything about the apartments downtown (Riverfront, etc) in terms of what they have included, but I think you'll be sort of surprised by the rental situation here in Detroit, especially near school, and how freaking competitive it is (Midtown is at 99 percent rental capacity) The roommate finder google doc is linked on the facebook page, which is linked somewhere else on this forum. I deactivated my facebook account, otherwise i would put the link right here for you. I do think a good bet for you at this point is to be a roommate of someone who has secured an apartment, look into living with people from other years, etc.

I'm not sure how much you want to pay for an apartment, but check out grad student housing/campus apartments. Chatsworth apartments are actually pretty nice one bedroom deals in the 800 dollar range. I'm not sure if utilities are included, I think so but check on that just to make sure. Parking would be through school, so you would get a parking pass that allowed you to park in a set number of structures. http://housing.wayne.edu/chatsworth.php

The thing I don't really like about the school apartments is that you need to sign in guests, show your One Card, stuff like that. The people who work the desk at Chatsworth seem pretty chill about signing in guests if they buzz you in and recognize you though, which I think is why I'd consider living there myself.

chipmunkdoe said:
I just started looking for a place to stay and I realize some of the nice lofts and apartments are full. Does anyone have any recommendations as to where to stay? I'm looking for a place nearby campus in midtown or downtown with a parking garage and utilities included in rent (just a plus for all the heating required during winter), any ideas???
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I was recently accepted this past week off the alternate list! Did not expect it at all, since they said nothing until this upcoming week. IS, 29, 3.9 GPA. Still in complete shock because I had really given up 🙁 but dont lost hope! Good luck everyone!
 
congrats!! was it a phone call or email?? hopefully some more good news for more this upcoming week
 
Just withdrew my spot. OOS here. Hope it goes to one of you folks!
 
jaywags234 said:
congrats!! was it a phone call or email?? hopefully some more good news for more this upcoming week
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Thank you! It was just a email in the afternoon, no phone call. Best of luck :luck: , looks like theres some movement now.
 
Can any current students or anyone that ones comment on the grading? It sounds like its pass/fail on the website with the 75% percentile thing and then they go into standard deviations and comparisons to the class. Is there a curve then? Does that make it not truly pass/fail? and will that 75% ever go up because the class does too well?
 
blueamex said:
Can any current students or anyone that ones comment on the grading? It sounds like its pass/fail on the website with the 75% percentile thing and then they go into standard deviations and comparisons to the class. Is there a curve then? Does that make it not truly pass/fail? and will that 75% ever go up because the class does too well?
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It is not true pass fail, as it is broken down into honors, pass, fail.

75% is the guaranteed pass rate, meaning if everyone scores above 75% on the exam, everyone passes. The actual pass rate, meaning lowest percentage that is passing, for a course is always lower that this, in the 60's for all the courses this past year (M1) if I remember correctly.

The standard deviations set the actual pass rate, and the honors rate. 1 SD above the class mean is honors, one SD below the class mean is failing. The results of each exam are set to a "standard score" based on the distribution, with a standard score of 500 being the mean score, 600 is one standard deviation above, 400 is one standard deviation below, etc.

Once the course is completed, they calculate a standard score that is "passing" (for some reason, when they calculate it the passing cut off is usually below 400, despite the breakdown I described above) and also publish a "danger zone" overall percentage that puts you in danger of failing/in the failing range. It is definitely possible to recover from a badly failed exam and still pass the course. Each question on each exam is equivalently weighted, so if there are 4 exams, if there are more questions on one exam than another the longer exam counts for more than the shorter exam. In anatomy, lab practical questions are worth half of the written exam questions.

Any other questions, let me know.
 
That said there were certainly exams where the average was so high that even if you passed with a significant margin (say an 85 percent), your standard deviation would be low (say like a .340, more than one standard deviation below .500). This happened to me on one exam this year. While it sucks for a bit to know that you're so far below your peers, I never really felt like I failed that particular exam. (I should also say that exams of this profile are not really that common). Danger zone gets set at a maximum of 70 percent, and pass rate is set at a maximum of 75. So if the class of 2017 happens to be full of geniuses and they get 100 percents on every exam, and you are the only one who gets 75s, you will definitely pass med school still and become a doctor even though maybe your Z score will be low.

Theseeker, correct me if I'm wrong but that's how I understood Ms. Robinson's orientation presentations.

theseeker4 said:
It is not true pass fail, as it is broken down into honors, pass, fail.

75% is the guaranteed pass rate, meaning if everyone scores above 75% on the exam, everyone passes. The actual pass rate, meaning lowest percentage that is passing, for a course is always lower that this, in the 60's for all the courses this past year (M1) if I remember correctly.

The standard deviations set the actual pass rate, and the honors rate. 1 SD above the class mean is honors, one SD below the class mean is failing. The results of each exam are set to a "standard score" based on the distribution, with a standard score of 500 being the mean score, 600 is one standard deviation above, 400 is one standard deviation below, etc.

Once the course is completed, they calculate a standard score that is "passing" (for some reason, when they calculate it the passing cut off is usually below 400, despite the breakdown I described above) and also publish a "danger zone" overall percentage that puts you in danger of failing/in the failing range. It is definitely possible to recover from a badly failed exam and still pass the course. Each question on each exam is equivalently weighted, so if there are 4 exams, if there are more questions on one exam than another the longer exam counts for more than the shorter exam. In anatomy, lab practical questions are worth half of the written exam questions.

Any other questions, let me know.
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togaedere said:
That said there were certainly exams where the average was so high that even if you passed with a significant margin (say an 85 percent), your standard deviation would be low (say like a .340, more than one standard deviation below .500). This happened to me on one exam this year. While it sucks for a bit to know that you're so far below your peers, I never really felt like I failed that particular exam. (I should also say that exams of this profile are not really that common). Danger zone gets set at a maximum of 70 percent, and pass rate is set at a maximum of 75. So if the class of 2017 happens to be full of geniuses and they get 100 percents on every exam, and you are the only one who gets 75s, you will definitely pass med school still and become a doctor even though maybe your Z score will be low.

Theseeker, correct me if I'm wrong but that's how I understood Ms. Robinson's orientation presentations.
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Thank you for clarifying guys! I have heard some things about the grading system and some said it was a real turn off so I just wanted to be sure. But that 75% pass rate seems fair enough. Is that Z score then just to set honors? I assume that is what you would be aiming to raise in order to Honor the pre-clinicals.
 
anyone hear anything today or this week yet? Hoping this week theres more good news since the 3 week mark was today from the May 15th batch
 
jaywags234 said:
anyone hear anything today or this week yet? Hoping this week theres more good news since the 3 week mark was today from the May 15th batch
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the secretary in the admissions office said they typically notify people who get off the waitlist on fridays
 
OOS. just withdrew in favor of staying in-state at a DO school (just got off the WL). goodluck to those still on the WL! there's still hope 🙂
 
blueamex said:
Thank you for clarifying guys! I have heard some things about the grading system and some said it was a real turn off so I just wanted to be sure. But that 75% pass rate seems fair enough. Is that Z score then just to set honors? I assume that is what you would be aiming to raise in order to Honor the pre-clinicals.
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Not just honors, it sets the pass rate as well; the 75% is the highest possible cutoff for pass/fail, but the pass rate can be (and generally is) much lower than that 75%. You are correct that you have to keep your z score (standard score) high to get honors, but the z score also determines the pass rate.
 
togaedere said:
That said there were certainly exams where the average was so high that even if you passed with a significant margin (say an 85 percent), your standard deviation would be low (say like a .340, more than one standard deviation below .500). This happened to me on one exam this year. While it sucks for a bit to know that you're so far below your peers, I never really felt like I failed that particular exam. (I should also say that exams of this profile are not really that common). Danger zone gets set at a maximum of 70 percent, and pass rate is set at a maximum of 75. So if the class of 2017 happens to be full of geniuses and they get 100 percents on every exam, and you are the only one who gets 75s, you will definitely pass med school still and become a doctor even though maybe your Z score will be low.

Theseeker, correct me if I'm wrong but that's how I understood Ms. Robinson's orientation presentations.
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Sounds right to me. Just to clarify for everyone, the danger zone is set to 70 or so before any exams are taken, as the likely maximum failing score (based on past classes). After exams are taken, the distribution of the class is used to set the actual pass rate and actual honors rate. The 70% danger zone is not a guarantee like the 75% max pass rate is. That said, during first year there was no course with a pass rate above 70 for this past year or the year before, so realistically, as long as you score in the 70's you are pretty safe.
 
hey guys, just wanted to say that you shouldn't lose any hope really if your waiting on wayne. I was waitlisted on the second round of admissions in November! the second :/ and was on there until last week. I know the feeling so I wish you all the best!
 
weasel23 said:
the secretary in the admissions office said they typically notify people who get off the waitlist on fridays
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I was just accepted on Thursday. I will be withdrawing though for mainly financial reasons. Hopefully the spot goes to one of you!
 
For all those who have been accepted off the waitlist, did you send in your final (undergrad; official/unofficial) transcripts as an update? I am unsure whether or not I should send them my final transcripts since I graduated this past May. I am asking because my GPA dropped from the GPA I applied with and I don't know if sending in a transcript with some poor grades may affect my potential waitlist movement.

If you could let me know your thoughts when you get the chance that would be great, Thanks!
 
aMaizenBlue said:
For all those who have been accepted off the waitlist, did you send in your final (undergrad; official/unofficial) transcripts as an update? I am unsure whether or not I should send them my final transcripts since I graduated this past May. I am asking because my GPA dropped from the GPA I applied with and I don't know if sending in a transcript with some poor grades may affect my potential waitlist movement.

If you could let me know your thoughts when you get the chance that would be great, Thanks!
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I only sent in my final offical transcripts after I was accepted. Nothing before hand though. My GPA did drop as well. However instead of a transcript maybe you can send an update letter their way. I'm not sure how much of an impact it may have now but it's worth a shot!
 
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