2012 Match Lists

[mave]

Does anyone have Rosalind Franklin match list?

The school hasn't published the external list yet. Geographically, the preliminary copy shows a NYC-SoCal-Chicago distribution that seems pretty typical for us.

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[bluewater4]

anyone have TAMHSC's list yet? thanks!

 

[xanthomondo]

Errr...NEOUCOM is an MD school, isn't it? It looks like a pretty typical list, though. It's refreshing to see a match list not riddled with all the Ivies posted on SDN.

Yeah NEOMED is definitely allopathic

 

[chucktown]

Anyone have VCU/MCV or Brody/ECU?

 

[MtHoodWood]

Wow "top schools," really good job addressing the primary care shortage.

 

[drizzt3117]

Wow "top schools," really good job addressing the primary care shortage.

There's plenty of DO/FMGs for that...

Harvard did have 43% Primary care this year, though.

 

[Chakrabs]

Harvard did have 43% Primary care this year, though.

Source?

 

[drizzt3117]

Source?

There was an article in the crimson about it, can't find the link atm though.

 

[Guillemot]

The 43% includes things like IM ....of which the majority will probably do fellowships and not go into primary care.

 

[drizzt3117]

The 43% includes things like IM ....of which the majority will probably do fellowships and not go into primary care.

Well, obviously. That being said, if IM doesn't count as primary care, what does?

 

[Guillemot]

Just meant that if harvard was bragging about the percent they have going into "primary care" they are full of crap.

 

[uncgrad2002]

if IM doesn't count as primary care, what does?

primary care?

 

[thomprya]

There's plenty of DO/FMGs for that...

Harvard did have 43% Primary care this year, though.

You tell those filthy mudbloods.....

 

[mmmcdowe]

Columbia
A strange match for us. Super high levels of interest in peds and neurology. This class also had the highest Step 1 average ever at Columbia.

Anesthesiology
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr
U Rochester/Strong Mem-NY
Mt Sinai Hospital-
-Columbia Univ Med Ctr
-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-
-New Haven Hosp-CT
-Columbia Univ Med Ctr
Stanford Univ Progs
UCLA Medical Center
U Washington Affil Hosps-WA

Dermatology
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
NYU School of Medicine-NY
St. Lukes-Roosevelt-NY

Emergency Medicine
Johns Hopkins Hosp-MD
U Wisconsin Hospital and Clinics
-WI Rhode Island Hosp/Brown Univ-RI
Alameda Co Med Ctr-CA
Johns Hopkins Hosp-MD
NY Methodist Hospital-NY
U Southern California-CA
Emory Univ SOM-GA
UC San Francisco-CA
St Lukes-Roosevelt-NY

Family Medicine
Brown Med Sch/Memorial Hosp-RI
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
Mayo School of Grad Med Educ-MN
Sutter Med Ctr of Santa Rosa-CA

General Surgery
UC San Francisco-CA
Dartmouth-Hitchcock Med Ctr-NH
B I Deaconess Med Ctr-MA NYU
School Of Medicine-NY
U Florida COM-Shands Hosp-FL
NYU School Of Medicine-NY

Int Med
Einstein/Jacobi Med Ctr-NY
Hosp of the Univ of PA-PA
NYP Hosp-Weill Cornell Med Ctr-NY
Johns Hopkins Hosp-MD
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
Yale-New Haven Hosp-CT
Mt Sinai Hospital-NY
U Southern California-CA
Hosp of the Univ of PA-PA
Yale-New Haven Hosp-CT
University of Virginia-VA
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
Johns Hopkins Hosp-MD Einstein/Montefiore Med Ctr-NY
Stanford Univ Progs-CA
Johns Hopkins Hosp-MD
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
North Shore-LIJ Health Sys-NY
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
Brigham & Womens Hosp-MA
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
Hosp of the Univ of PA
NYU School Of Medicine-NY
Yale-New Haven Hosp-CT
Mt Sinai Hospital-NY

Masters of Public Health
Harvard School of Public Health

Medicine-Pediatrics
Hosp of the Univ of PA-PA
U Minnesota Med School-MN

Medicine-Primary (Care?)
NYP Hosp-Weill Cornell Med Ctr-NY

Med-Prelim/Neurology
Yale-New Haven Hosp-CT
Stanford Univ Progs-CA

Neurological Surgery
NYU School Of Medicine-NY
U Utah Affil Hospitals-UT
Johns Hopkins Hosp-MD
Hosp of the Univ of PA-PA
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY

Neurology
Hosp of the Univ of PA
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
University of Virginia-VA
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
Barnes-Jewish Hosp-MO
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
Mayo School of Grad Med Educ-MN
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
NYU School Of Medicine-NY

Obstetrics-Gynecology
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
UC San Francisco-CA
St Lukes-Roosevelt-NY
North Shore-LIJ Health Sys-NY

Ophthalmology
Wilmer Eye Inst-Johns Hopkins-MD
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
Wilmer Eye Inst-Johns Hopkins-MD
Wills Eye Program- Jefferson-PA
New York Eye & Ear Infirmary-NY
U Southern California-CA

Ortho Surg
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
Hosp For Special Surg-NY
Tufts Medical Center-MA
Mayo School of Grad Med Educ-MN
Rush University Med Ctr-IL
Barnes-Jewish Hosp-MO
George Washington Univ-DC
Barnes-Jewish Hosp-MO
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
U Florida COM-Shands Hosp-FL

Otolaryngology
Temple Univ Hosp-PA
NYP Hosp-Columbia & Cornell-NY

Pathology
Univ of Chicago Med Ctr-IL
Stanford Univ Progs-CA
Hosp of the Univ of PA

Pediatrics
Childrens Hosp-Philadelphia-PA
Childrens Hospital-LA-CA
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
Oregon Health & Science Univ-OR
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
Childrens Hosp-Philadelphia-PA
UC San Francisco-CA
UCLA Medical Center-CA
Johns Hopkins Hosp-MD
NYU School Of Medicine-NY
Rush University Med Ctr-IL
U Connecticut Health Ctr-CT
Johns Hopkins Hosp-MD
U Florida COM-Shands Hosp-FL
Emory Univ SOM-GA
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
Mt Sinai Hospital-NY
Einstein/Montefiore Med Ctr-NY
UC San Francisco-CA
Childrens Hospital-Boston-MA
UCLA Medical Center-CA
NYU School Of Medicine-NY
Childrens Hosp-Philadelphia-PA

Psychiatry
UCLA Semel Inst for Neuroscience-CA
NYU School Of Medicine-NY
Massachusetts Gen Hosp-MA
St Lukes-Roosevelt-NY
Hosp of the Univ of PA-PA
NYP Hosp-Weill Cornell Med Ctr-NY
Brown Univ Psych Res-RI

Radiation-Oncology
Duke Univ Med Ctr-NC

Radiology-Diagnostic
Mt Sinai Hospital-NY
North Shore-LIJ Health Sys-NY
UC San Francisco-CA
Mt Sinai Hospital-NY
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY

Plastic Surgery
UC San Francisco-CA

Thoracic Surgery
Stanford Univ Progs-CA

Urology
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
UC San Diego Med Ctr-CA

Vascular Surgery
UCLA Medical Center-CA
Mt Sinai Hospital-NY

 

[jcu]

You tell those filthy mudbloods.....

A+

 

[Beta Cell]

Columbia
A strange match for us. Super high levels of interest in peds and neurology. This class also had the highest Step 1 average ever at Columbia.

Anesthesiology
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr
U Rochester/Strong Mem-NY
Mt Sinai Hospital-
-Columbia Univ Med Ctr
-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-
-New Haven Hosp-CT
-Columbia Univ Med Ctr
Stanford Univ Progs
UCLA Medical Center
U Washington Affil Hosps-WA

Dermatology
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
NYU School of Medicine-NY
St. Lukes-Roosevelt-NY

Emergency Medicine
Johns Hopkins Hosp-MD
U Wisconsin Hospital and Clinics
-WI Rhode Island Hosp/Brown Univ-RI
Alameda Co Med Ctr-CA
Johns Hopkins Hosp-MD
NY Methodist Hospital-NY
U Southern California-CA
Emory Univ SOM-GA
UC San Francisco-CA
St Lukes-Roosevelt-NY

Family Medicine
Brown Med Sch/Memorial Hosp-RI
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
Mayo School of Grad Med Educ-MN
Sutter Med Ctr of Santa Rosa-CA

General Surgery
UC San Francisco-CA
Dartmouth-Hitchcock Med Ctr-NH
B I Deaconess Med Ctr-MA NYU
School Of Medicine-NY
U Florida COM-Shands Hosp-FL
NYU School Of Medicine-NY

Int Med
Einstein/Jacobi Med Ctr-NY
Hosp of the Univ of PA-PA
NYP Hosp-Weill Cornell Med Ctr-NY
Johns Hopkins Hosp-MD
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
Yale-New Haven Hosp-CT
Mt Sinai Hospital-NY
U Southern California-CA
Hosp of the Univ of PA-PA
Yale-New Haven Hosp-CT
University of Virginia-VA
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
Johns Hopkins Hosp-MD Einstein/Montefiore Med Ctr-NY
Stanford Univ Progs-CA
Johns Hopkins Hosp-MD
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
North Shore-LIJ Health Sys-NY
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
Brigham & Womens Hosp-MA
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
Hosp of the Univ of PA
NYU School Of Medicine-NY
Yale-New Haven Hosp-CT
Mt Sinai Hospital-NY

Masters of Public Health
Harvard School of Public Health

Medicine-Pediatrics
Hosp of the Univ of PA-PA
U Minnesota Med School-MN

Medicine-Primary (Care?)
NYP Hosp-Weill Cornell Med Ctr-NY

Med-Prelim/Neurology
Yale-New Haven Hosp-CT
Stanford Univ Progs-CA

Neurological Surgery
NYU School Of Medicine-NY
U Utah Affil Hospitals-UT
Johns Hopkins Hosp-MD
Hosp of the Univ of PA-PA
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY

Neurology
Hosp of the Univ of PA
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
University of Virginia-VA
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
Barnes-Jewish Hosp-MO
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
Mayo School of Grad Med Educ-MN
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
NYU School Of Medicine-NY

Obstetrics-Gynecology
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
UC San Francisco-CA
St Lukes-Roosevelt-NY
North Shore-LIJ Health Sys-NY

Ophthalmology
Wilmer Eye Inst-Johns Hopkins-MD
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
Wilmer Eye Inst-Johns Hopkins-MD
Wills Eye Program- Jefferson-PA
New York Eye & Ear Infirmary-NY
U Southern California-CA

Ortho Surg
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
Hosp For Special Surg-NY
Tufts Medical Center-MA
Mayo School of Grad Med Educ-MN
Rush University Med Ctr-IL
Barnes-Jewish Hosp-MO
George Washington Univ-DC
Barnes-Jewish Hosp-MO
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
U Florida COM-Shands Hosp-FL

Otolaryngology
Temple Univ Hosp-PA
NYP Hosp-Columbia & Cornell-NY

Pathology
Univ of Chicago Med Ctr-IL
Stanford Univ Progs-CA
Hosp of the Univ of PA

Pediatrics
Childrens Hosp-Philadelphia-PA
Childrens Hospital-LA-CA
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
Oregon Health & Science Univ-OR
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
Childrens Hosp-Philadelphia-PA
UC San Francisco-CA
UCLA Medical Center-CA
Johns Hopkins Hosp-MD
NYU School Of Medicine-NY
Rush University Med Ctr-IL
U Connecticut Health Ctr-CT
Johns Hopkins Hosp-MD
U Florida COM-Shands Hosp-FL
Emory Univ SOM-GA
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
Mt Sinai Hospital-NY
Einstein/Montefiore Med Ctr-NY
UC San Francisco-CA
Childrens Hospital-Boston-MA
UCLA Medical Center-CA
NYU School Of Medicine-NY
Childrens Hosp-Philadelphia-PA

Psychiatry
UCLA Semel Inst for Neuroscience-CA
NYU School Of Medicine-NY
Massachusetts Gen Hosp-MA
St Lukes-Roosevelt-NY
Hosp of the Univ of PA-PA
NYP Hosp-Weill Cornell Med Ctr-NY
Brown Univ Psych Res-RI

Radiation-Oncology
Duke Univ Med Ctr-NC

Radiology-Diagnostic
Mt Sinai Hospital-NY
North Shore-LIJ Health Sys-NY
UC San Francisco-CA
Mt Sinai Hospital-NY
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY

Plastic Surgery
UC San Francisco-CA

Thoracic Surgery
Stanford Univ Progs-CA

Urology
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
UC San Diego Med Ctr-CA

Vascular Surgery
UCLA Medical Center-CA
Mt Sinai Hospital-NY

Do you know what the Step 1 average was?

 

[daptomycin]

That's a very high number of neurology applicants for one medical school. It seems that half of the incoming resident class is going to be internal candidates!

 

[KinasePro]

That's a very high number of neurology applicants for one medical school.

I've heard a lot of speculation about neurology becoming a competitive specialty in the not-so-distant future. Decent reimbursement, decent lifestyle, the layman "wow" factor, and a stack of new interventions coming through the pipeline.

 

[drizzt3117]

I've heard a lot of speculation about neurology becoming a competitive specialty in the not-so-distant future. Decent reimbursement, decent lifestyle, the layman "wow" factor, and a stack of new interventions coming through the pipeline.

Lol

 

[Cactus3]

For the most part these lists (with some exceptions, BNI neurosurg, BP ophtho, and a few others) will be MGH, BWH, UCSF, Hopkins, Penn, UCLA, Mayo, Wash U, Duke, Columbia, Cornell, etc in some order. Not particularly useful if you ask me. There are a few exceptions where the traditionally top programs aren't elite, like UCSF/MGH peds and Columbia rads, but they're few and far between.

I found it interesting how you were able to single out these programs, especially Columbia radiology, as not being elite. I'm curious as to why this is so and if this is common knowledge in academic circle. I'd think they'd still be rather competitive residency spots considering general reputation and location. If not elite, I'd assume they're still very good programs?

 

[drizzt3117]

I found it interesting how you were able to single out these programs, especially Columbia radiology, as not being elite. I'm curious as to why this is so and if this is common knowledge in academic circle. I'd think they'd still be rather competitive residency spots considering general reputation and location. If not elite, I'd assume they're still very good programs?

Mid tier at best. Lots of flux, including multiple PDs and chairs leaving.

 

[RadicalRadon]

This is def true. NYU and Cornell>>Columbia rads as far as quality and rep go in rads circles. Drizz, mind sharing your thoughts/list on elite rads?

Mid tier at best. Lots of flux, including multiple PDs and chairs leaving.

 

[Chakrabs]

I've heard a lot of speculation about neurology becoming a competitive specialty in the not-so-distant future. Decent reimbursement, decent lifestyle, the layman "wow" factor, and a stack of new interventions coming through the pipeline.

If you enjoy sitting around for hours and pontificating about lesion locations and then getting an MRI anyway, go for it. As far as interventions, neurologists will be taking a back seat to the neurosurgeons and interventional neuroradiologists for the foreseeable future.

 

[drizzt3117]

This is def true. NYU and Cornell>>Columbia rads as far as quality and rep go in rads circles. Drizz, mind sharing your thoughts/list on elite rads?

In rads circles I think in NY it's like NYU ~ Cornell >> Monti = Sinai = Columbia > SLR = Jacobi etc.

As far as elite programs go, I think this is sort of a difficult question to answer because people have different wants/needs in a program. That being said, most people would agree a reasonable top 5 for academics would be MIR/UCSF/MGH/PENN/JHU in some order. It's the next 5-10 that are more controversial; I'd personally say bwh, duke, stanford, Washington, ucla, mayo, nyu would fit in the elite category as well. That being said, i feel like there's not too much difference between the top 15 programs. I ranked Ucla above a lot of programs that people consider "higher ranked" and generally the contention is that mgh/bwh/sf/Ucla/Stanford are the most competitive in terms of difficulty matching, with Washington and Penn close behind. As you can see, there's a lot of variability. There are also elite community programs that would give great training for private practice like Baylor Dallas...

 

[Runner585]

do you know what the step 1 average was?

237

 

[KinasePro]

Lol

If you enjoy sitting around for hours and pontificating about lesion locations and then getting an MRI anyway, go for it. As far as interventions, neurologists will be taking a back seat to the neurosurgeons and interventional neuroradiologists for the foreseeable future.

Yeah, I understand that. It's just speculation, nothing more. Maybe our MS3/4's are sipping the kool aid, but a decent number of our top students go into neurology each year.

[I'm personally not interested in it, just shooting the **** here.]

 

[Chakrabs]

In rads circles I think in NY it's like NYU ~ Cornell >> Monti = Sinai = Columbia > SLR = Jacobi etc.

As far as elite programs go, I think this is sort of a difficult question to answer because people have different wants/needs in a program. That being said, most people would agree a reasonable top 5 for academics would be MIR/UCSF/MGH/PENN/JHU in some order. It's the next 5-10 that are more controversial; I'd personally say bwh, duke, stanford, Washington, ucla, mayo, nyu would fit in the elite category as well. That being said, i feel like there's not too much difference between the top 15 programs. I ranked Ucla above a lot of programs that people consider "higher ranked" and generally the contention is that mgh/bwh/sf/Ucla/Stanford are the most competitive in terms of difficulty matching, with Washington and Penn close behind. As you can see, there's a lot of variability. There are also elite community programs that would give great training for private practice like Baylor Dallas...

I'm curious, what exactly makes a rads program elite? I'm quite ignorant of the field, and while I know surgical subspecialties are heavily driven by the skills of the attendings and residents they train, I'm unsure how one grades radiology programs. I mean, there are only so many ways to read films. I'm assuming that IR probably drives a lot of value of most rads programs. Would that be correct?

 

[Shufflin]

Northwestern Feinberg

Our Step 1 avg was 241, one of the highest nationally. We rock.


Anesthesiology

U Michigan Hosps-Ann Arbor
Wake Forest Baptist Med Ctr-NC
UCLA Medical Center-CA
Brigham & Womens Hosp-MA
Mt Sinai Hospital-NY
U Michigan Hosps-Ann Arbor
University of Virginia

Child Neurology

Oregon Health & Science Univ
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY

Dermatology

NYU School of Medicine
U Colorado SOM-Denver
Univ of Chicago Med Ctr-IL
Henry Ford HSC-MI
Hosp of the Univ of PA

Emergency Medicine

Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL
UC San Diego Med Ctr-CA
B I Deaconess Med Ctr-MA
Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL
U Arizona/UPHK GME Consortium
B I Deaconess Med Ctr-MA
University Hosp-Cincinnati-OH
U Michigan Hosps-Ann Arbor
U Texas Med Sch-Houston
NY Hosp Med Ctr Queens
Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL

Otolaryngology/ENT

Einstein/Montefiore Med Ctr-NY
Med Coll Wisconsin Affil Hosps
U Washington Affil Hosps
U Colorado SOM-Denver

Family Medicine

Einstein/Montefiore Med Ctr-NY
La Crosse-Mayo-WI
Oregon Health & Science Univ
West Subruban Med Ctr-IL
Sts Mary and Elizabeth Med Ctr-IL
Ventura County Med Ctr-CA
Lancaster Gen Hosp-PA
U Utah Affil Hospitals
Grtr Lawrence Fam Hlth Ctr-MA
U Illiinois COM-Rockford
MacNeal Hospital-IL
Hinsdale Hospital-IL
Naval Hospital-Pensacola

Internal Medicine

Vanderbilt Univ Med Ctr-TN
Moses H Cone Mem Hosp-NC
APMC Medical Education-PA
Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL
Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL
NYU School of Medicine
Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL
Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL
Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL
UPMC Medical Education-PA
Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL
UC San Francisco-CA
Brigham & Womens Hosp-MA
NYU School Of Medicine
Emory Univ SOM-GA
NYP Hosp-Weill Cornell Med Ctr-NY
U Illinois COM-Chicago
Stanford Univ Progs-CA
Med Coll Wisconsin Affil Hosps
Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL
Cedars-Sinai Medical Center-CA
Cedars-Sinai Medical Center-CA
Rhode Island Hosp/Brown Univ
University of Virginia
Brighan & Womens Hosp-MA
Stanford Univ Progs-CA
George Washington Univ-DC
Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL
Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL
Med Coll Wisconsin Affil Hosps
Virginia Mason Med Ctr-WA
Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL
Massachusetts Gen Hosp
Vanderbil Univ Med Ctr-TN
Mayo School of Grad Med Educ-MN
Barnes-Jewish Hosp-MO

Medicine-Pediatrics

Case Western/Univ Hosps Case Med Ctr-OH
Case Western/Univ Hosps Case Med Ctr-OH
Med Coll Wisconsin Affil Hosps
Duke Univ Med Ctr-NC

Medicine-Primary

Med Coll Wisconsin Affil Hosps
Boston Univ Med Ctr-MA
U Chicago SOM-Denver

Neurology

Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL
U Washington Affil Hosps
Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL
Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL

Neurosurgery

Emory Univ SOM-GA
St Josephs Hospital-AZ

Obstetrics and Gynecology

Exempla St Joseph Hosp-CO
Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL
U Illinois COM-Chicago

Ophthalmology

Mayo School of Grad Med Educ-MN
U Arizona/UPHK GME Consortium Program
Stanford University Program
Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL
Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL

Orthopaedic Surgery

U Southern California
Tufts Medical Center-MA
UC San Diego Med Ctr-CA
Hosp of the Univ of PA

Pathology

UC San Francisco-CA

Pediatrics

Childrens Hosp-Philadelphia-PA
Childrens Hospital-Boston-MA
Indiana Univ Sch of Med
Cincinnati Childrens Hosp MC-OH
Indiana Univ Sch of Med
Einstein/Montefiore Med Ctr-NY
Harbor-UCLA Med Ctr-CA
Northwestern McGaw/CMH-IL
National Capital Consortium-MD
UVM/Fletcher Allen-VT
U Maryland Med Ctr
Childrens Hospital-Oakland-CA
Advocate Lutheran Gen Hosp-IL
Baylor Coll Med-Houston-TX
Baylor Coll Med-Houston-TX
Childrens National Med Ctr-DC

Plastic Surgery

U Michigan Hosps-Ann Arbor

Psychiatry

Harbor-UCLA Med Ctr-CA
Yale-New Haven Hosp-CT
Harvard Longwood Psych-MA
UC San Francisco-CA
U Southern California
SIU SOM & Affil Hosps-IL
Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL
Medical University of South Carolina

Radiation Oncology

NY Hosp Med Ctr Queens

Radiology

Beaumont Health System-MI
University of Toronto
Case Western/Univ Hosps Case Med Ctr-OH
Oregon Health & Science Univ
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
U Colorado SOM-Denver
U Arizona Affil Hospitals
NYP Hosp-Weill Cornell Med Ctr-NY
Stanford Univ Progs-CA
Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL
Johns Hopkins Hosp-MD
Tufts Medical Center-MA
Rhode Island Hosp/Brown Univ
Harbor-UCLA Med Ctr-CA
UPMC Medical Education-PA

Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation

Northwestern McGaw/RIC-IL
UPMC Medical Education-PA

Surgery

Med Coll Wisconsin Affil Hosps
George Washington Univ-DC
UC San Francisco (East Bay)
Virginia Mason Med Ctr-WA
Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL
Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL
St Joseph Hosp-IL
Brigham & Womens Hosp-MA
Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL
Cleveland Clinic Fdn-OH
Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL
U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas

Thoracic Surgery

Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL

Urology

Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL
Brigham & Womens Hosp-MA
Cleveland Clinic Fdn-OH
Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL
U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas

Vascular Surgery

Yale-New Haven Hosp-CT

 

[RadicalRadon]

I'd say this is pretty consistent with what I've heard from rads attendings at my institution. I've been told JHU and Penn alternate for 1/2 in terms of NIH funding from someone at Penn. However, I've also heard that JHU has an academics or die mentality and they aren't very supportive if people eventually want to end up in PP. I've also heard MIR has ridiculous resources.

The rest of the list are all superstars but provide you with dramatically different locations for 4-5 years of your life, which I imagine alters difficulty in terms of matching (i.e. Rochester, MN vs LA/SF).

top 5 for academics would be MIR/UCSF/MGH/PENN/JHU in some order. It's the next 5-10 that are more controversial; I'd personally say bwh, duke, stanford, Washington, ucla, mayo, nyu would fit in the elite category as well

 

[DoctwoB]

For the most part these lists (with some exceptions, BNI neurosurg, BP ophtho, and a few others) will be MGH, BWH, UCSF, Hopkins, Penn, UCLA, Mayo, Wash U, Duke, Columbia, Cornell, etc in some order. Not particularly useful if you ask me. There are a few exceptions where the traditionally top programs aren't elite, like UCSF/MGH peds and Columbia rads, but they're few and far between.

And as always, these lists fail to acknowledge that top programs exist between the two coasts.

Pitt, Uchicago, Northwestern, UTSW, Baylor, Michigan, and even less big name schools like Wisconsin and Iowa have fantastic residency programs that are top in their field.

They tend to get less name recognition however then the boston, Philly, and NY programs, but don't assume a match isn't good because of a lack of MGH/Penn/BWH/Hopkins.

 

[drizzt3117]

I'm curious, what exactly makes a rads program elite? I'm quite ignorant of the field, and while I know surgical subspecialties are heavily driven by the skills of the attendings and residents they train, I'm unsure how one grades radiology programs. I mean, there are only so many ways to read films. I'm assuming that IR probably drives a lot of value of most rads programs. Would that be correct?

NIH funding, prominent faculty, and like surgical specialties, the case mix, complex volume, etc. Often the quality of surgical subspecialties helps define the quality of the program.

 

[drizzt3117]

I think Stanford is always #1 in NIH funding. Sam Gambir, their chair, has $15m in grants per year on his own.

I'd say this is pretty consistent with what I've heard from rads attendings at my institution. I've been told JHU and Penn alternate for 1/2 in terms of NIH funding from someone at Penn. However, I've also heard that JHU has an academics or die mentality and they aren't very supportive if people eventually want to end up in PP. I've also heard MIR has ridiculous resources.

The rest of the list are all superstars but provide you with dramatically different locations for 4-5 years of your life, which I imagine alters difficulty in terms of matching (i.e. Rochester, MN vs LA/SF).

 

[BigFrank9997721]

Radiology residency quality is a complicated topic. There is a discussion ongoing related to "top" radiology residency programs at Auntminnie.com, that can be accessed here:
http://www.auntminnie.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=342082

For non-members, here's the breakdown (remember, these are not hard and fast rankings, just a delineation of commonly competitive academic programs -- for more info, read the discussion on the above linked forum):

1) UCSF
1) MGH
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2) PENN
2) MIR
2) Hopkins
2) Duke
2) U Michigan
2) U Washington
2) Stanford
2) BWH
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3) Mayo Clinic - Rochester
3) UCLA
3) UCSD
3) NYU
3) BID
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4) Wake Forest
4) U Virginia
4) U Pittsburgh
4) U Wisconsin
4) UTSW
4) Cleveland Clinic
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5) Cornell
5) UNC
5) Indiana
5) Thomas Jefferson
5) Northwestern
5) U Chicago
5) UAB
5) Vanderbilt
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*Honorable Mention: USC, OHSU, Utah, Colorado, Brown, Iowa, Minnesota, Davis, Irvine, Florida-Gainesville, Emory, South Carolina, Maryland, Baylor-Houston, Arkansas, Baylor-Dallas, UT-Houston, UIC, Rush, Loyola, MCW, Albert Einstein, New Mexico, Virginia Mason, Scott and White, Santa Clara Valley, Mount Auburn, Maine Medical Center, USA, William Beaumont, Henry Ford, Yale

 

[drizzt3117]

And as always, these lists fail to acknowledge that top programs exist between the two coasts.

Pitt, Uchicago, Northwestern, UTSW, Baylor, Michigan, and even less big name schools like Wisconsin and Iowa have fantastic residency programs that are top in their field.

They tend to get less name recognition however then the boston, Philly, and NY programs, but don't assume a match isn't good because of a lack of MGH/Penn/BWH/Hopkins.

My list had two Midwestern programs on it (and I probably should have put Michigan, although I personally didn't like it too much, it certainly qualifies as elite, I just forgot.

I think UW, UPMC, UTSW, and Northwestern would all be in the 10-20 range, while the other programs are good but probably slightly lower in the academic hierarchy. I go to Wisconsin so I obviously know it has a strong academic reputation.

Also, for the premeds and junior med students here, I think program reputation should only be one of the factors one uses in deciding where to go for residency. For me, the most important factors were the best mix of rep/location, and for me (and many others) CA was the preferred location, lifestyle, then general gestalt. That led the east coast programs to be ranked lower than the west coast (and even Midwest) programs.

 

[RadicalRadon]

Yeah, idk, it's just what i heard from someone at Penn who has multiple RO1s. I always thought Stanford was a smaller enterprise than Harvard/Penn/JHU but the quality of their research was arguably better (higher NIH/faculty than anywhere else). I know that's definitely the case for its medical school but IDK about the rads dept specifically.

I think Stanford is always #1 in NIH funding. Sam Gambir, their chair, has $15m in grants per year on his own.

 

[drizzt3117]

Yeah, idk, it's just what i heard from someone at Penn who has multiple RO1s. I always thought Stanford was a smaller enterprise than Harvard/Penn/JHU but the quality of their research was arguably better (higher NIH/faculty than anywhere else). I know that's definitely the case for its medical school but IDK about the rads dept specifically.

Sorry, I meant #1 in funding specifically under the umbrella of the medical schools as per us news. Here's the top 10 by department in FY '10, also keep in mind much NIH funding for radiology is in different departments, like bme, med physics, and EE, so it doesn't show up on this list.
1
Massachusetts General Hospital
$71,068,986
2
Univ Of California San Fran Sch Of Med Total
$53,100,485
3
Brigham and Women's Hospital Total
$33,253,128
4
Stanford University Sch Of Medicine Total
$32,342,009
5
Johns Hopkins University Sch Of Medicine Total
$32,012,473
6
Univ Of Pennsylvania Sch Of Medicine Total
$29,063,355
7
Washington University Sch Of Medicine Total
$16,424,104
8
University Of Minnesota Medical School Total
$15,628,276
9
Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center
$15,530,520
10
Vanderbilt University Sch Of Medicine Total
$13,917,034

 

[Radiculous]

"for the premeds and junior med students here, I think program reputation should only be one of the factors one uses in deciding where to go for residency. For me, the most important factors were the best mix of rep/location, and for me (and many others) CA was the preferred location, lifestyle, then general gestalt."

Agree with above sentiment; rep/location/personal factors, plus gut feel

 

[MayoorBust]

HMS and Mayo Clinic match list

 

[DoctwoB]

My list had two Midwestern programs on it (and I probably should have put Michigan, although I personally didn't like it too much, it certainly qualifies as elite, I just forgot.

I think UW, UPMC, UTSW, and Northwestern would all be in the 10-20 range, while the other programs are good but probably slightly lower in the academic hierarchy. I go to Wisconsin so I obviously know it has a strong academic reputation.

My bad, I was talking about residencies in general not radiology in particular (which I know next to nothing about). I was just saying that when you look at "top lists" made by people who aren't intimately familiar with a given field, they tend to leave out the top programs between philly and San francisco.

 

[Kneuro]

If you enjoy sitting around for hours and pontificating about lesion locations and then getting an MRI anyway, go for it. As far as interventions, neurologists will be taking a back seat to the neurosurgeons and interventional neuroradiologists for the foreseeable future.

You have proven how little you actually know about neurology. As far as interventions, how many neurological diseases are managed surgically or ever will be? Only a select few. Clinical correlation to MRI findings is critical unless you want to be the one calling the R/O MS consult for just another young person with migraine and some white matter hyperintensities. Time for you to get some experience or train at a respected program that is strong in many specialities.

 

[pntgrd]

If you enjoy sitting around for hours and pontificating about lesion locations and then getting an MRI anyway, go for it. As far as interventions, neurologists will be taking a back seat to the neurosurgeons and interventional neuroradiologists for the foreseeable future.

Real life neuro doesn't have "hours of pontificating". Maybe teaching med students like you requires some pontificaiton.
I'd say other specialties use radiology at least as much (cardiologist using echos for example).
And the vast majority of treatments of neuro disease (MS, Parkinsons, dementias, the majority of strokes, migraine, epilepsy) does not involve surgery or interventional radiologists.

 

[DoctwoB]

Real life neuro doesn't have "hours of pontificating". Maybe teaching med students like you requires some pontificaiton.
I'd say other specialties use radiology at least as much (cardiologist using echos for example).
And the vast majority of treatments of neuro disease (MS, Parkinsons, dementias, the majority of strokes, migraine, epilepsy) does not involve surgery or interventional radiologists.

Not to mention that neurologists are well positioned to take many of the interventional procedures from neurosurgery. Why? Theres about 10x more neurologists then neurosurgeons.

 

[Chakrabs]

Not to mention that neurologists are well positioned to take many of the interventional procedures from neurosurgery. Why? Theres about 10x more neurologists then neurosurgeons.

Great, who's going to train them in the interventional procedures? Radiologists and neurosurgeons who have an incentive to train their own. Who makes more sense to hire? Probably the neurosurgeon who can do interventional work, in addition to operations that bring in money to fund the rest of the hospita;l not to mention maintain level-1 trauma status.

 

[drizzt3117]

There used to be a number of triple boarded neurology/neurorads/interventional neurorads cases. However, they were all canceled, because people felt the neuro training was superfluous.

 

[MtHoodWood]

Feeling a bit above FM, are we?

 

[Chakrabs]

Nope. With the new healthcare laws just over the horizon, those guys are going to be our new overlords.

 

[ZooeyGlass]

Any resident match list experts feel like weighing in on the strength of CU's match list this year?

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[drizzt3117]

Lots of EM, lots of primary care, few top academic programs in almost all fields.

 

[mmmcdowe]

Do you know what the Step 1 average was?

As was stated, 237. I'm interested to hear what the average is going to be for my class. The estimate earlier on was 240, but apparently it may be higher. We are the first class of the new curriculum where you do clinical stuff first plus have 10 weeks off. (most people studied 5-7).

 

[username456789]

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You guys had someone match at Brown too.