2013 Cycle: LizzyM Score and Interviews, Acceptances and Rejections

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So this question goes out to those of you finishing up the 2013 cycle. If you used your LizzyM score to help you choose which schools to apply to, how accurate of a predictor did you think that was?

I ask because I've noticed that the equation for the LizzyM score has changed over time due to increasing competition (used to be [(gpa*10)+MCAT+1] and now seems to be [(gpa*10)+MCAT-1] ) and I wonder if this updated formula is a good predictor or if it needs to be tweaked even further. I DO recognize that this is only a rough guide to where you are competitive, but think its a useful tool and am therefore curious about your experiences.

I found a thread from 2008 where people listed their LizzyM and then their admissions outcomes - could people do the same here?

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=540806

Thanks for your input!


example:

My LizzyM = 72
My schools:
73 (Interview, Acceptance)
72 (Interview, Rejected)
63 (Interview, Acceptance, Withdrew)
68 (Interview, Rejected)
68 (Rejected w/o interview)
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Edit: Non trad 4 years post graduation
Edit: 6/20 AMCAS, received 7/18 ish. Completed secondaries by Mid August
CA applicant

My LizzyM = 66.4

69.5 = (Interview, waitlisted)
71.6 = (Interview, Accepted, will probably withdraw)
71.5 = (Interview, Accepted, will probably matriculate)
69.1 = (Interview, waitlisted)
69.7 = (Interview, waitlisted)

Applied to a variety of other schools ranging from 64.5 to 70. All gave secondaries, but all also rejected me post-secondary or left me in the dark...
 
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64.7

My Schools:

68.1 (.94) = No Interview
71.3 (.91) = No Interview

65.7 (.98) = Interviewed, Withdrew
65.7 (.98) = Interviewed, Withdrew

63.2 (1.02) = Accepted, Withdrew
66.1 (.98) = Accepted, Withdrew

69.0 (.94) = Accepted, Matriculating

Iraq Vet, only applied instate (TX)
 
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Submitted AMCAS 6/7 and was complete 6/25
Combat Veteran (five years), URM, Score of 66 (just got diagnosed w/ADD and it makes a huge difference-if only I had Ritalin when I studied and took the MCAT)
68.7 Accepted, Withdrew
71.7 Accepted, Matriculating😍
72.1 Interviewed, WL
66.5 Interviewed, WL
67.3 Accepted, Withdrew
70.1 Accepted, Withdrew
72.7 Interviewed, Rejected

Also rejected from JHU-didn't expect to receive an interview though
 
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My LizzyM Score: 71.7 (semi-trad applicant, ORM, primary/secondaries submitted early)

Schools where I received a II:

65.3-Accepted
66-Accepted
66.1-Accepted
67.2-Accepted
67.3-Accpted
68.1-WL, withdrew
68.5-Accepted
69.2-II, withdrew before interview
71.1-Accepted
71.4-WL
72-Rejected
 
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It would also benefit if you note when you submitted your application.
 
Traditional (one year off), resident of California. Secondaries all done by the end of August.
My LizzyM score: 80.
So this is high enough to give me a "high chance" everywhere, but obviously numbers aren't everything! Obvious caveat that my list is top school-heavy (started declining interviews after first acceptance).

76.3: Accepted
75.1: Accepted
74.1: still waiting to hear
74: Rejected pre-interview
73.7: Waitlisted
73.7: Rejected post-interview
73.4: Waitlisted
72.6: Rejected post-interview
72.4: Accepted
72.3: Rejected pre-interview
72.3: Waitlisted
71.6: still waiting to hear
71: Waitlisted
68: Rejected pre-secondary (OOS)


Note to others: I believe this is the source of current LizzyM scores.
 
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Not sure I'm doing this right... I downloaded a random spreadsheet (2011?).

My LizzyM Score: 77.7
-only non-trad in the sense that I took a gap year...

Schools with IIs:
77: accepted (complete mid-Aug)
75: accepted (complete Sep)
75: ________ (complete late Sep)
75: accepted (complete Sep)
74: waitlisted (complete Sep)
73: accepted (complete Sep)
73: accepted (complete Sep)
73: accepted (complete Sep)
71: ________, assume rejection (complete Sep)
71: ________ (complete Sep)
71: declined ii (complete late Sep)
69: waitlisted (complete Sep)

Rejected pre-II:
75 (complete mid-Aug)
75 (complete Sep)
73 (complete mid-Aug)
73 (complete mid-Aug)
73 (complete Sep)
73 (complete Sep)
72 (complete Sep)
71 (complete mid-Aug)
67 (complete Sep)
67 (complete Sep)
 
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Sophocles said:
Submitted AMCAS 6/7 and was complete 6/25
Combat Veteran (five years) and URM-Score of 66 (just got diagnosed w/ADD and it makes a huge difference-if only I had Ritalin when I studied and took the MCAT)
68.7 Accepted, Withdrew
71.7 Accepted, Matriculating😍
72.1 Interviewed, WL
66.5 Interviewed, WL
67.3 Accepted, Withdrew
70.1 Accepted, Withdrew
72.7 Interviewed, Rejected

Also rejected from JHU-didn't expect to receive an interview though
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Holy moly, sophocles, I didn't know that about you. You are now 1000X more awesome.
 
You guys are beasts, but if your score is >75 the notion of using it to pick schools is moot. You are competitive anywhere. Wheres my sub-70 amigos at?
 
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70

71 -> waitlist
69 -> accepted during match
69 -> rejected no interview
67 -> accepted
66 -> rejected no interview
66 -> accepted
66 -> rejected no interview
63 -> rejected no interview

non-trad.
 
Narmerguy said:
We're getting close to just asking users to copy/paste their MDapps into the thread. :laugh:
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I know what you mean 🙂 , though lots of people who post on this forum don't have an MDApps for anonymity reasons so I thought this would be a good way to compile all the data. Thanks so much to everyone who's posted, this is really helpful for me and I'm sure for other future applicants! Keep 'em coming!!
 
This is definitely really awesome, and a quick and anonymous way to help others figure their chances of getting in 🙂

Thanks everyone!!!
 
Mt Kilimanjaro said:
You guys are beasts, but if your score is >75 the notion of using it to pick schools is moot. You are competitive anywhere. Wheres my sub-70 amigos at?
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Right here!

Non-URM, traditional applicant
My LizzyM: 66
Accepted/Matriculating school LizzyM: 70

Also interviewed at:
67-rejected post-interview
68-withdrew application post-interview
 
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OwlPower22 said:
Holy moly, sophocles, I didn't know that about you. You are now 1000X more awesome.
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Thanks, I appreciate that.

I have read from LizzyM that this makes a big difference and can help bring up some of the weaker points of the application. I think she said to add 4-5 pts to the LizzyM score and I think this really helped me out. Such a big part of my app. and I spent a lot of my time talking about this time in my life.

Everyone has their own stories though, and I think people do benefit from having a diverse class.
 
This is neat. I'll bite. Did this using GPAx10 + MCAT - 1.

Reapplicant, submitted AMCAS in mid-June, all secondaries by the end of July. White female, fairly traditional - doing a SMP during my gap year. I'm from IL.

My score: 67.2

My schools:

65.8 = Rejected
74.0 = Rejected
72.3 = Rejected
71.0 = Rejected
68.4 = Rejected
69.2 = Silence (assumed rejection)
69.2 = Silence (assumed rejection)
68.5 = Silence (assumed rejection)
68.3 = Silence (assumed rejection)
67.2 = Interviewed, Accepted (My 1st acceptance - my exact LizzyM score!:meanie:)
63.7 = Interviewed, Accepted
69.7 = Interviewed, Waitlist (In the top 10)
68.8 = Interviewed, Waitlist
70.5 = Interviewed, Waitlist
70.0 = Interviewed, Deferred (essentially a waitlist)
65.0 = Interviewed, On Hold
 
My LizzyM Score: 67
Submitted AMCAS mid June
Coming straight from college


67.5 - interviewed, withdrew
68.6 - interviewed, still waiting for decision
68.8 - accepted, most likely matriculating
69.2 - accepted
 
Calculated LizzyM using GPAx10 + MCAT - 1.

First-time applicant
Traditional, ORM, California resident, top-heavy list for personal reasons, submitted AMCAS on 6/05, submitted secondaries by early or mid August (didn't know about 2 week rule)

My LizzyM = 70.3

76.3: Rejected, no interview
75.1: Rejected, no interview
74.1: Rejected, no interview
74.0: Rejected, no interview
74.0: Interviewed, still waiting on decision
73.7: Rejected, no interview
73.7: Rejected, no interview
73.4: Rejected, no interview
72.6: Rejected, no interview
72.3: Accepted (matriculating) at top choice 😍
72.3: Rejected, secondary received, no interview
72.0: Rejected, no interview
71.6: Interviewed, still waiting on decision
71.4: Accepted
70.5: Rejected, no interview, messed up secondary
 
LizzyM score 64.6

Accepted at a 67 (only interview)
rejected no interviews
67.5
63.7
66.0
69.8
withdrew
68.4
65.3


Non Trad applicant
 
My Lizzy M Score: 72.3

Rejected without interview:
71.6
74.1
76.3
68.8

Invited to interview but withdrew:
68.0
68.2
66.0
72.3

Attended Interview, Waitlisted:
72.3
73.4
73.7
75.1
71.0


Attended Interview, Accepted:
72.3
73.7
74.0
72.6
71.4
71.0
70.5
68.7
66.4
 
My score: 68.7

71.2-Accepted, matriculating😍
67.2-Invited to interview, withdrew
69.9-interviewed, waitlisted
69.4-interviewed, waitlisted
66.3-invited to interview, withdrew

I applied to 19 schools but withdrew from most early in the cycle because I was accepted at my top choice.

Non-trad, ORM, complete mid september after an early Aug. MCAT.
 
My Score: 69.4

Non-trad, avg age, non-urm, rounded to whole #. Designated IS/OOS only for schools that give preference. Submitted primary in mid August, most secondaries sept/oct.

II, Interviewed, Accepted:
65 (IS) w/scholarship-still considering
67 (IS)
67
69 (IS), likely matriculating
70 (OOS), likely matriculating
1 school no lizzy M, based on MSAR I would say around 69-70

II, Withdrew:
64 (oos)
65 (oos)
67 (oos)

Pre-II rejection:
72-not surprised, top 5 heavy research school, I had minimal research.
70-very surprised, thought I would get in here
67 (oos,school strong IS preference, but I applied because I really want to move to this state)
68-surprised by this school, known as a safety school in my state, no interview granted. Maybe I didn't put as much into the secondary essays knowing I wasn't keen on going there.
66 (oos)-

Withdrew from a couple more early in the season.

I had no post interview rejections.
 
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My score: 71.66
Reapplicant, CA resident, Primary submitted 7/16, verified 8/22, secondaries completed July-October

72.8 - Post Secondary Rejection
72.3 - Post Secondary Rejection
71.6 - Interviewed, Awaiting Decision
71.1 - Post Secondary Rejection
71 - Post Secondary Hold
70.3 - Post Secondary Rejection
69.8 - Post Secondary Rejection
69.7 - Post Secondary Rejection
68.7 - Secondary Submitted, Awaiting Rejection
68.4 - Post Secondary Rejection
68.4 - Post Secondary Rejection
68.2 - Secondary Submitted, Awaiting Rejection
68 - Post Secondary Rejection
67.9 - Secondary Submitted, Awaiting Rejection
67.9 - Secondary Submitted, Awaiting Rejection
67.4 - Interviewed, Waiting Decision
67.2 - Post Secondary Rejection
67 - Secondary Submitted, Awaiting Rejection
66.4 - Post Secondary Rejection
66.4 - Interviewed, Alternate List
66 - Post Secondary Rejection
66 - Post Secondary Hold
66 - Post Secondary Rejection
65.8 - Accepted, Likely Matriculating
65.8 - Accepted
65 - Post Secondary Rejection

Thoughts: Reapplication is definitely a hurdle to overcome. I did not recieve II's at some schools where I was invited during my last cycle, despite a much stronger application. Applying early is probably as important as everyone says, although outliers do occur (my M.D. acceptances were my last two secondaries, which I completed in mid October). Apply very broadly and expect nothing.

Overall, i'm very happy with the institutions where I was accepted and i'm looking forward to next year. Although their LizzyM scores may not be out of this world, I'm optimistic about the education I believe I will receive.
 
Traditional student, non URM, male

My LizzyM score = 69.2

Accepted at:
68 (IS and matriculating)
65.3 (OOS)
67.2 (OOS with 50% tuition scholarship)
 
Sophocles said:
Is that a thing?

I know most people here are just specifying whether or not they are URM, but I don't think there is a separate calculation for that.
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Haha nevermind, I noticed your post stating "and URM-Score of 66" and read it wrong.
 
VitaminVater said:
How does one do a URM score?.
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Just through my own anecdotal experience, using the LizzyM scale I would add 2-3 points for chance of acceptance and maybe even more for chance of getting an II for a Waitlist spot, if we can differentiate it like that. But maybe LizzyM can give us a definite answer
 
Nontrad, white kid

LizzyM = 78
matriculating = 76
 
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My LizzyM score: 77

71.3-accepted and matriculating
71.1-accepted
72.4- waitlisted and withdrew
75.1-rejected
71.4- rejected
71.0- rejected
72.4- rejected
74.1- rejected
74- rejected

In addition to this I got into to all of my big safeties that I dont feel are worth listing.

Non-URM, middle class, applied late july.

I'm very happy with where I'm going to be going (a top 20), but I think my cycle shows that being cookie cutter really kills you for the top 10.
 
So are people calculating their LizzyM score by +1 or -1 to the gpa(10)+mcat?
 
Turd said:
White, non-unique, good EC's, trad app.

My score: 78

For schools I didn't withdraw from:

Accepted
69.7
74.1- Attending
71.0
70.0
69.2
68.4

Rejected:
73.4
73.7
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Is your last name Ferguson?
 
I think it should just be MCAT + (GPA*10) just to keep things simple, straightforward. And the same should apply for the schools too. All this plus one and minus one stuff complicates things.
 
Non-traditional LizzyM of 67. Submitted AACOMAS and AMCAS at the middle/end of June. I really tried to keep my school selections to my LizzyM score. If the school LizzyM was more than a point higher, it got crossed off the list early in the process.

Accepted
61.1(DO)
63.6(DO)
67.6 (MD) IS and matriculating. School has huge in state bias.

Interviewed, Wait list and withdrew
60.5 (DO)
67.2 (MD)

II then Withdrew pre-interview
55 DO
58 DO
60.3 DO
60.5 DO
64.2 DO
64.4 MD
67.7 MD

Withdrew post secondary
59.8 DO
67.3 MD
67 MD

Rejected
65.8 MD
66.1 MD

dsoz
 
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aishtr1295 said:
Where can I find the latest LizzyM score spreadsheet?
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Ya can't....the information on it is copyrighted and belongs to the MSAR so it's illegal to distribute on the interwebz 😉
 
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