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What do you mean?
S/he is saying they have a strong match list.
What do you mean?
Or may it's the best internal medicine program in the country, where the birth of structured medicine training began. Where the concept of residency and terms like "rounds" were first spoken. I think any of these speculations for other schools/programs can apply, but does anyone really think that leaving the Osler medicine program at Hopkins is worth it just to get "another experience" ? We have the rest of our lives to get other experiences and training that will also contribute (fellowship and advanced training are other possibilities). There are people that leave for family reasons (marriage, need to go home to be closer to family, etc), but those that can stay, from my knowledge here at Hopkins, do stay and for good reason.
Arguing about which hospital is better belongs in Pre-Allo. We should simply be happy for each other as we finish up med. school and embark on the next step of our journey, no matter if it is Hopkins or no-name local medical center.
I think it's the rigor of the program, the patient load, the diversity and complexity of the patient cases that come to Hopkins that at the end produces world renowned physicians. Hopkins arguably receives the most complex cases from all over the world, more so than any other hospital. I think the end product is someone that can deal with the bread and butter, but also deals with patients with a multitude of co-morbidities. Learning to manage such complex cases isn't trivial, and I think Hopkins is special in that regard because of the shear volume of such cases it receives. I mentioned the "tradition" above, and maybe it doesn't make a difference to some, but Hopkins extremely values the patient-centered approach and bed side etiquette and there are small things that are done differently here at Hopkins. An important distinction to make is that tradition does not mean lack of progress, since part of the Hopkins tradition is one of continued innovation in medicine.
Also of note, I think in terms of career planning, there is no better regarded IM certificate than the one that has the Osler stamp on it. This will not make a difference to many, and to each her/his own, but for those of us who care to stay in academia (clinical, teaching, or even bench) it does carry some weight (you can argue over how much, but I think we can all at least agree that, unfortunately, prestige of a program does matter to those old white men running competitive departments, themselves having chased prestige and name their entire lives, now deciding who to accept to their fellowship or on their faculty).
Here we go!
WashU!
Psychiatry
Barnes-Jewish Hospital St. Louis MO
Barnes-Jewish Hospital St. Louis MO
Barnes-Jewish Hospital St. Louis MO
Barnes-Jewish Hospital St. Louis MO
Barnes-Jewish Hospital St. Louis MO
Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania Philadelphia PA
Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai New York NY
University of Washington Seattle WA
Stanford University Program Stanford CA
Hopkins/bmore sucks. It's the epitome of tradition/hierarchy for its own sake. Stanford/UCSF/Harvard/Mayo/ClevelandClinic ftw.
anyone have duke?
Links to previous match lists: 2011 and 2012.
Internal Medicine (39)
B I Deaconess Med Ctr-MA
Barnes-Jewish Hosp-MO
Brigham & Womens Hosp-MA
Brigham & Womens Hosp-MA
Brigham & Womens Hosp-MA
Brigham & Womens Hosp-MA
Brigham & Womens Hosp-MA
Brigham & Womens Hosp-MA (primary care)
Duke Univ Med Ctr-NC
Einstein/Montefiore Med Ctr-NY
Hosp of the Univ of PA
Hosp of the Univ of PA
Hosp of the Univ of PA
Hosp of the Univ of PA
Hosp of the Univ of PA
Hosp of the Univ of PA
Hosp of the Univ of PA (primary care)
Hosp of the Univ of PA (global health)
Johns Hopkins Hosp-MD
Johns Hopkins Hosp-MD
Massachusetts Gen Hosp
Massachusetts Gen Hosp
Massachusetts Gen Hosp
Massachusetts Gen Hosp
Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL
NYU School Of Medicine
NYU School Of Medicine
NYU School Of Medicine
NYU School Of Medicine
Temple Univ Hosp-PA
U Michigan Hosps-Ann Arbor
U Washington Affil Hosps (primary care)
U Washington Affil Hosps (primary care)
UC San Francisco-CA
UC San Francisco-CA
UC San Francisco-CA (primary care)
UC San Francisco-CA (primary care)
UCLA Medical Center-CA
Univ of Chicago Med Ctr-IL
UPMC Medical Education-PA (global health)
Yale-New Haven Hosp-CT (physician-scientist)
Anesthesiology
U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Univ of Chicago Med Ctr-IL
Univ of Chicago Med Ctr-IL
Barnes-Jewish Hosp-MO
Emergency Medicine
Alameda Co Med Ctr-CA
Maricopa Med Ctr-AZ
Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL
University Hosp-Cincinnati-OH
Family Medicine
Swedish Medical Center-WA
U Colorado SOM-Denver
Boston Univ Med Ctr-MA
Scripps Mercy Hosp-Chula Vista-CA
U Washington Affil Hosps
UC San Diego Med Ctr-CA
General Surgery
B I Deaconess Med Ctr-MA
Duke Univ Med Ctr-NC
Univ of Chicago Med Ctr-IL
UPMC Medical Education-PA
York Hospital-PA
Internal Medicine
Boston Univ Med Ctr-MA
Brigham & Womens Hosp-MA
Duke Univ Med Ctr-NC
Hosp of the Univ of PA
Loyola Univ Med Ctr-IL
Loyola Univ Med Ctr-IL
North Shore-LIJ Health Sys-NY
Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL
Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL
Stanford Univ Progs-CA
U Wisconsin Hospital and Clinics
UC San Diego Med Ctr-CA
UC San Diego Med Ctr-CA
UC San Francisco-CA
UCLA Medical Center-CA
Univ of Chicago Med Ctr-IL
Univ of Chicago Med Ctr-IL
Univ of Chicago Med Ctr-IL
UPMC Medical Education-PA
Vanderbilt Univ Med Ctr-TN
Yale-New Haven Hosp-CT
Medicine-Pediatrics
UCLA Medical Center-CA
Yale-New Haven Hosp-CT
Medicine-Preliminary
St Joseph Hosp-IL
Univ of Chicago Med Ctr-IL
Univ of Chicago Med Ctr-IL
Univ of Chicago Med Ctr-IL
Univ of Chicago Med Ctr-IL/NorthShore
Medicine-Primary
Massachusetts Gen Hosp
Medicine-Psychiatry
Duke Univ Med Ctr-NC
Neurological Surgery
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
UCLA Medical Center-CA
Neurology
Johns Hopkins Hosp-MD
Obstetrics-Gynecology
Advocate Lutheran Gen Hosp-IL
Hosp of the Univ of PA
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
U Utah Affil Hospitals
Univ of Chicago Med Ctr-IL
Yale-New Haven Hosp-CT
Ophthalmology
Emory Univ SOM-GA
U Illinois COM-Chicago
Orthopaedic Surgery
Case Western/Univ Hosps Case Med Ctr-OH
U Utah Affil Hospitals
UC San Francisco-CA
Otolaryngology
Icahn SOM at Mount Sinai-NY
UC San Francisco-CA
Pathology
U Colorado SOM-Denver
Univ of Chicago Med Ctr-IL
Pediatrics
Johns Hopkins Hosp-MD
Northwestern McGaw/CMH-IL
U Colorado SOM-Denver
U Utah Affil Hospitals
U Washington Affil Hosps
Univ of Chicago Med Ctr-IL
Univ of Chicago Med Ctr-IL
Univ of Chicago Med Ctr-IL
Vanderbilt Univ Med Ctr-TN
Pediatrics/Health Economics Trk
Univ of Chicago Med Ctr-IL
Pediatrics/Med Education Trk
Univ of Chicago Med Ctr-IL
Peds/Psych/Child Psych
UPMC Medical Education-PA
Plastic Surgery (Integrated)
U Washington Affil Hosps
Psych/Research 5 Yr
UCLA Semel Inst for Neuroscience-CA
Radiation-Oncology
Stanford Univ Progs-CA
U Michigan Hosps-Ann Arbor
Radiology-Diagnostic
Barnes-Jewish Hosp-MO
U New Mexico SOM
U Wisconsin Hospital and Clinics
Surgery-Preliminary
Univ of Chicago Med Ctr-IL
Transitional
Resurrection Med Ctr-IL
Emory Univ SOM-GA
Univ of Chicago Med Ctr-IL/NorthShore
Univ of Chicago Med Ctr-IL/NorthShore
What makes Hopkins better than Mayo, Houston, OHSU, Mass Gen etc?
How on earth did houston end up on that list?
How on earth did houston end up on that list?
So reading between the lines of these match lists, are the data points under "transitional year", "preliminary", etc basically graduates that didn't match their main specialty...so they just list them under that?
Not necessarily. Many of the programs in derm, radiology, neurology, gas, optho, PM+R start in the 2nd year(PGY2). What these people do in the first year is an intern year as a "transitional" resident or do a preliminary medicine(or surgery) year before starting as a resident in the respective field. Transitional years are the most preferred, and also very competitive to get into. However, it can be possible for someone to not succeed matching in a specialty and only match a transitional year.
In addition, there are people who might fail to match into their preferred specialty and have matched into prelim medicine/surgery as a backup. However, it's more likely that the prelims + transitionals listed is what students in advanced residencies are doing as an intern before going into the field of choice.
Not necessarily. Many of the programs in derm, radiology, neurology, gas, optho, PM+R start in the 2nd year(PGY2). What these people do in the first year is an intern year as a "transitional" resident or do a preliminary medicine(or surgery) year before starting as a resident in the respective field. Transitional years are the most preferred, and also very competitive to get into. However, it can be possible for someone to not succeed matching in a specialty and only match a transitional year.
In addition, there are people who might fail to match into their preferred specialty and have matched into prelim medicine/surgery as a backup. However, it's more likely that the prelims + transitionals listed is what students in advanced residencies are doing as an intern before going into the field of choice.
I think this is very school dependent. At my school, it would only list a student under a prelim or TY category if they failed to match advanced. We're listed by the categorical/advanced specialty, so in my case I'm listed under PM&R. Under the PM&R heading, it says "RangerBob: Advanced: Program X, Preliminary: Program Y; RangerTom: Categorical: Program Z, etc."
However, in the case of the George Washington match list, I think it's pretty clear that you're statement is correct--I highly doubt A) that many people failed to match advanced, and B) that people who could get into those TY programs wouldn't have matched advanced. There are some non-competetive TY programs out there (mostly because of location), but I don't believe those are some of them.
At least at my school people who show up under prelim only are the ones who didn't match and had to SOAP. Otherwise their advanced programs would've shown on the match list too.
Absolutely. That makes sense. However, what I'm asking is this -- [for example] checking out Rosalind Franklin University (Post #86). They have all the PMRs, Ophthos, Rads, et al distinctly listed... Yet they also have distinct "Prelim" categories.
Are these graduates that most likely failed to match into their advanced specialty this cycle?
How on earth did houston end up on that list?
Not the answer you might wanna hear but: "maybe"
In the RFU list, it doesn't link a student name to the specialties. Ex: In the Anesthesiology section, it lists the programs that they got into. However, unless all of them are PGY1 positions(i.e. they can start right away), they need to also do a prelim year. Because this list is a tally of specialties as opposed to linking the name of a student to a speciality(like RangerBob mentions), it is shown separately. Therefore, the distinct prelims listed can fall into one of two camps:
A) Graduates who matched into an advanced specialty doing a preliminary year
B) Graduates who failed to match into their specialty of choice and is doing a preliminary year.
Iowa for example, has a match list organized by name. If they only matched into a prelim spot, it shows that. If they match into an advanced spot, it shows both programs.
Hopefully I didn't make this more confusing and convulted
First of all there's no way 30+ students didn't match at a US MD school. There's no way to tell how many people had to SOAP etc by looking at the match lists he way they are presented here so don't try to infer that.
The TMC does indeed have a lot of hospitals/clinics but just about half the real estate there is pretty much just MD Anderson. While UT Houston residencies do rotate at MD Anderson, the majority of their experience comes from rotating through Memorial Hermann and LBJ County Hospital (not part of TMC). When I interviewed at UT Houston, it seemed like the residents just went to MD Anderson to get that name on their resume. Their autonomy was limited there compared to the other sites.The Texas Medical Center's hospitals sees every pathology that Hopkins Hospital does, and a lot more of it. It's not 1983 anymore...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Medical_Center
The TMC does indeed have a lot of hospitals/clinics but just about half the real estate there is pretty much just MD Anderson. While UT Houston residencies do rotate at MD Anderson, the majority of their experience comes from rotating through Memorial Hermann and LBJ County Hospital (not part of TMC). When I interviewed at UT Houston, it seemed like the residents just went to MD Anderson to get that name on their resume. Their autonomy was limited there compared to the other sites.