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Average allopathic accepted MCAT at 33. Yikes.

Edit: Messed up a bit here. 33 MCAT is the median, not the average. Sorry!
 
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Are they using data from the 2012-2013 cycle? 33 is kind of high IMO... Is the applicant pool getting smarter or people have figured out how to beat the MCAT?
 
Narmerguy said:
33? Unreal. Interested to see what the new MCAT does to this.
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I assume MSAR is using the 2013 data. I wonder why there is a 1.7 difference between average and median. Maybe rounding or MSAR double/triple/etc counts accepted applicants with multiple acceptances? (whereas table 17 is matriculating students, so only count each person once) That could explain the uncharacteristically high average MCAT number.

https://www.aamc.org/download/321494/data/2013factstable17.pdf
 
Dumb question, but can you post a link to the newest MSAR? I'm trying to purchase it
 
BestDoctorEver said:
Are they using data from the 2012-2013 cycle? 33 is kind of high IMO... Is the applicant pool getting smarter or people have figured out how to beat the MCAT?
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The applicants pool is increasing disproportionate to the number of new seats in medical schools. The score percentiles of all people taking the MCAT remain the, but there are just so many applicants now that the absolute number of people with great scores is much higher.
 
How much bigger do you think the applicant pool will be this coming cycle? Seems like some of the Illinois schools greatly reduced the amount of In state applicants they accepted. Is this a trend?
 
Boolean said:
Click on any medical school and you should see the national average (on phone, sorry!)
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Awwww got it, i found the official MSAR site... thought I could get away a a "guest user."
 
This is possible given the new MCAT 😛
Underu said:
A point per year?... Through advanced mathematics, I calculate the average MCAT in 2030.... will be 49.

It's official folks, soon nobody will be good enough for medical school.
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These new stats are damning, is this why the mcat is changing?
 
cookiemonsters said:
USC too. Case Western went up to 36 😱

edit: last year's WashU picture was an Asian female holding a white baby with a pink background, this year it's a whitish male holding a black baby with a blue background lol.
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What is it with them and babies?
 
Some of the MCAT accepted average increases are
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. Penn is tied with Wash U now...
 
Is this worth buying if I'm a sophomore planning to apply a year or two after graduation?
 
The is a BIG reason why I advocate purchasing the US News Medical School Compass. Showing accepted data is meaningless. BU may have a median accepted MCAT of 35 but half of those accepted students aren't going to matriculated at BU. Compass gives you the average data of matriculated students which is much more realistic.
 
Espadaleader said:
The is a BIG reason why I advocate purchasing the US News Medical School Compass. Showing accepted data is meaningless. BU may have a median accepted MCAT of 35 but half of those accepted students aren't going to matriculated at BU. Compass gives you the average data of matriculated students which is much more realistic.
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Your goal is to get accepted first, and then to decide where you want to matriculate. Can't do the latter without the former. Acceptance data is far more useful as far as choosing where to apply.
 
lnvictus said:
Is this worth buying if I'm a sophomore planning to apply a year or two after graduation?
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Not really. Buy it right before you begin to apply. The rate things are going, looks like the average mcat percentile will be 95 percentile by the time you apply..ha ha
 
Narmerguy said:
Your goal is to get accepted first, and then to decide where you want to matriculate. Can't do the latter without the former. Acceptance data is far more useful as far as choosing where to apply.
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But when someone with 40 gets 10+ acceptances, and the acceptances count multiple times, that invariably screws the data...
 
No, accepted data is not useful. With all due respect you have it backwards. The majority of students that are accepted don't go to the school, so the true pool of students at BU stats are a little lower. Schools always overadmit students that are better than there student body. The bottom line is don't get scared of by the GPA/MCAT of accepted applicants. As long as you at least meet the matriculant average of the school you should consider yourself competitive. Maybe @LizzyM could chime in.
 
*accepted data is not as useful. It still is important of course but it doesn't show the whole picture
 
Espadaleader said:
The is a BIG reason why I advocate purchasing the US News Medical School Compass. Showing accepted data is meaningless. BU may have a median accepted MCAT of 35 but half of those accepted students aren't going to matriculated at BU. Compass gives you the average data of matriculated students which is much more realistic.
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Normally I'd agree, but median matriculant MCAT at BU is 34...so basically the same thing.
 
Well, if what you guys are saying about the new MCAT numbers is true I feel slightly better about all my waitlists...
 
Espadaleader said:
The is a BIG reason why I advocate purchasing the US News Medical School Compass. Showing accepted data is meaningless. BU may have a median accepted MCAT of 35 but half of those accepted students aren't going to matriculated at BU. Compass gives you the average data of matriculated students which is much more realistic.
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It's basically the difference between someone who gets in early vs. someone who gets in months later / off the waitlist. That's a meaningful metric.
 
Oops, I forgot MSAR only gives accepted students data. I've forgotten a lot about these things already and I only applied a few months ago. Probably not a great sign for my future step 1 studying. Last summer when I finally got a US News subscription, I pretty much stopped looking at MSAR.
 
People who are thinking about giving up an acceptance so they can get into a 'better' school next cycle should really think hard before doing that...

'3.6 c/sGPA and 30 MCAT' is not a the benchmark anymore... I guess the DO 'market' is getting more and more attractive.
 
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BestDoctorEver said:
People who are thinking about giving up an acceptance so they can get into a 'better' school next cycle should really think hard before doing that...

'3.6 c/sGPA and 30 MCAT' is not a the benchmark anymore...
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The era of the 3.7 / 33 is here. Soon to be replaced by the wra of the 3.8/NewMCAT
 
nemo123 said:
Some of the MCAT accepted average increases are
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. Penn is tied with Wash U now...
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That's a good thing though. That means scoring high on the MCAT = easy II access :naughty:

The applicant pool is becoming frighteningly smarter... just like multidrug resistant pathogens... This is bad... really really bad.
 
Beat the system? Nope, just you kids getting smarter and smarter. Hopefully some of you will go into Geriatrics and take care of me in my old age!

BestDoctorEver said:
Are they using data from the 2012-2013 cycle? 33 is kind of high IMO... Is the applicant pool getting smarter or people have figured out how to beat the MCAT?
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I gotta say, some of these numbers are insane. I didn't think it was possible for a school to have a median *matriculant* MCAT of 38. Well, gl to Premeds everywhere.
 
lol just lol, Im in NY with a 3.6, if I dont absolutely crush the MCAT its DO for me.
 
Lucca said:
I kind of want to buy it as well but it will just heighten my neuroticism and accomplish nothing since my cycle has not come. Just hold off on it and think positive thoughts.
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Definitely do not buy. These new averages are nowhere close to what it was 2-3 years ago. Expect the Osteopathic average to shoot up when kids that get a 31 can't make it into allo.
 
Microglia said:
I gotta say, some of these numbers are insane. I didn't think it was possible for a school to have a median *matriculant* MCAT of 38. Well, gl to Premeds everywhere.
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Jesus, what school is that?
 
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