2017 ABA ITE Results

Discussion in 'Anesthesiology' started by MaximusD, Mar 27, 2017.

  1. MaximusD

    MaximusD Anatomically Incorrect
    Physician 10+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2006
    Messages:
    5,140
    Likes Received:
    273
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    Anyone get their results yet?

    I'm guessing end of this week or beginning of next...

    Anyone have any intel otherwise?
     
  2. MaximusD

    MaximusD Anatomically Incorrect
    Physician 10+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2006
    Messages:
    5,140
    Likes Received:
    273
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    100 views and no responses = big fat "No!"
     
  3. mikey014

    mikey014 nervous...
    10+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2008
    Messages:
    176
    Likes Received:
    15
    Status:
    Pre-Medical
    Our coordinator said by the end of first week of April
     
  4. Koan

    Koan ASA Member
    7+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2009
    Messages:
    444
    Likes Received:
    171
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    Looking forward to hearing. Our program reimburses Basic exam registration if we exceed 70th %ile. Would be nice to have $775 extra dollars...
     
  5. Shinkansen

    2+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2014
    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    5
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    Heard a rumor from my attending that our scores came in last week. Dunno why they aren't released yet.
     
  6. MaximusD

    MaximusD Anatomically Incorrect
    Physician 10+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2006
    Messages:
    5,140
    Likes Received:
    273
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    Ogod why would you do this to me?
     
    hiyaman likes this.
  7. killerleaf

    killerleaf beware, beyond there be dragons
    10+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2006
    Messages:
    617
    Likes Received:
    628
    Status:
    Academic Administration
    No they haven't. those that took the first round of Oral Exams found out last week if they passed or not. ITE's have NOT been released/sent...
     
  8. AdmiralChz

    AdmiralChz ASA Member
    10+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2008
    Messages:
    2,780
    Likes Received:
    1,955
    Status:
    Attending Physician
    I am almost positive we didn't get results the past 3 years before April. Expect something next week.
     
  9. 2828

    7+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2010
    Messages:
    14
    Likes Received:
    3
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    I emailed the ABA, they told me ITE results would be released "by mid April". I'm hoping for next week, but who knows. It's been a long 6 weeks!
     
  10. MaximusD

    MaximusD Anatomically Incorrect
    Physician 10+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2006
    Messages:
    5,140
    Likes Received:
    273
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    Jesus mid-April!? They told me 4-6 weeks when I called two weeks ago. "mid" April would be 7-8 weeks -- to grade a computerized test!
     
    #10 MaximusD, Mar 27, 2017
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2017
  11. 61November

    61November Ex-Flight Surgeon
    7+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2009
    Messages:
    693
    Likes Received:
    486
    Status:
    Attending Physician
    Chill out my flight surgeon brother..

    Results will be out next week, usually tue-wed

    - ex 61N
     
  12. MaximusD

    MaximusD Anatomically Incorrect
    Physician 10+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2006
    Messages:
    5,140
    Likes Received:
    273
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    *breathes into paper bag*

    [​IMG]
     
    #12 MaximusD, Mar 27, 2017
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2017
  13. Shinkansen

    2+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2014
    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    5
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    ah ok, it didn't sound right. he said they were released to our advisors. damn attendings trolling residents again...
     
    MaximusD likes this.
  14. 2828

    7+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2010
    Messages:
    14
    Likes Received:
    3
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    Another resident in my class emailed the ABA yesterday to ask, they told him results will come the week of April 10th, just to temper expectations about next week. :eyebrow:
     
  15. MaximusD

    MaximusD Anatomically Incorrect
    Physician 10+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2006
    Messages:
    5,140
    Likes Received:
    273
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
  16. MaximusD

    MaximusD Anatomically Incorrect
    Physician 10+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2006
    Messages:
    5,140
    Likes Received:
    273
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    Confirmed. 7-8 weeks this year (week of the 10th). Awesome.
     
  17. osumd

    osumd ASA Member
    7+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2010
    Messages:
    72
    Likes Received:
    12
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    Your program should be paying for this regardless
     
  18. d9sccr

    d9sccr ASA Member
    5+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2012
    Messages:
    176
    Likes Received:
    81
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    There were only a handful of programs that were doing this when I was interviewing. It wasn't that common a few years ago.
     
  19. AdmiralChz

    AdmiralChz ASA Member
    10+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2008
    Messages:
    2,780
    Likes Received:
    1,955
    Status:
    Attending Physician
    You'd be surprised how many do not pay. We were one of the few a couple years ago.
     
  20. MaximusD

    MaximusD Anatomically Incorrect
    Physician 10+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2006
    Messages:
    5,140
    Likes Received:
    273
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    My program doesn't pay for the basic.
     
  21. kidthor

    kidthor meep
    10+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2005
    Messages:
    621
    Likes Received:
    151
    Status:
    Attending Physician
    Mine didn't pay for any exams - which I suspect is the norm these days... and I think it's exploitative. The financial impact of a department paying for trainees' exams is trivial, and the soul suck and financial hardship of residents paying for endless needless exams is huge. IMO residencies should pay for every exam regardless of performance, along with medical licensing & DEA fees.
     
    mostwanted likes this.
  22. MaximusD

    MaximusD Anatomically Incorrect
    Physician 10+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2006
    Messages:
    5,140
    Likes Received:
    273
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    That sounds nice. Can I also get 8 vacation weeks per year? LOL
     
  23. Mazshax

    2+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2014
    Messages:
    13
    Likes Received:
    13
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    My program purchased a subscription to an online course called Learnly, by Stanford. If we have 90% completion of the daily modules, the Basic Exam is paid for. Seems fair, but a subscription to a qbank or two would probably be more helpful. That being said, I'm happy to hear that my program is one of the few that actually pays for the basic.
     
  24. MaximusD

    MaximusD Anatomically Incorrect
    Physician 10+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2006
    Messages:
    5,140
    Likes Received:
    273
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    We did learnly (previously known as StartPrep) as well.
     
  25. AdmiralChz

    AdmiralChz ASA Member
    10+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2008
    Messages:
    2,780
    Likes Received:
    1,955
    Status:
    Attending Physician
    Perhaps for small programs but those with 20+ it gets to be an aggressive cost.

    I'm a fan of those programs which tag a benchmark on ITE performance to a partial or full reimbursement for Basic/Advanced. It's a nice carrot to offer and has an indirect effect of beefing up a program's ITE scores, particularly in CA-3 year. It might even increase pass rates on boards by "strongly suggesting" they start studying earlier and with earnest. Not all programs can afford this, especially if it's a huge program, but a partial reimbursement could help.
     
  26. MaximusD

    MaximusD Anatomically Incorrect
    Physician 10+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2006
    Messages:
    5,140
    Likes Received:
    273
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    Still hopeful for next week
     
  27. d9sccr

    d9sccr ASA Member
    5+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2012
    Messages:
    176
    Likes Received:
    81
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    The total cost is a bigger number, but I have a hard time believing that even big programs couldn't do it without much thought. I'm at a bigger program and could easily find at least one crna/day to force-off to cover that cost. @$100-110/hr (their rumored wage), it wouldn't take more than a few weeks of empty lounges to "afford" paying for these exams
     
  28. MaximusD

    MaximusD Anatomically Incorrect
    Physician 10+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2006
    Messages:
    5,140
    Likes Received:
    273
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    Has anyone heard anything new?
     
  29. pgg

    pgg Laugh at me, will they?
    Moderator Physician Faculty 10+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2005
    Messages:
    11,598
    Likes Received:
    6,725
    Status:
    Attending Physician
    Jesus Christ, drink a beer. They'll be out when they get around to it.
     
  30. MaximusD

    MaximusD Anatomically Incorrect
    Physician 10+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2006
    Messages:
    5,140
    Likes Received:
    273
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    Done
     
    pgg likes this.
  31. caveat87

    10+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2008
    Messages:
    151
    Likes Received:
    9
    Status:
    Medical Student
    I heard a rumor from one of our faculty members who was at an ABA meeting April 10th was the score release date.
     
  32. algosdoc

    algosdoc algosdoc
    10+ Year Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2005
    Messages:
    3,835
    Likes Received:
    1,555
    Status:
    Attending Physician
    The expectation of programs paying for exams and fees appears to be a millennial thing. The best solution would be a participation trophy instead.
     
  33. MaximusD

    MaximusD Anatomically Incorrect
    Physician 10+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2006
    Messages:
    5,140
    Likes Received:
    273
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    Same at my program. 7 weeks is too long. But, as they say, it is what it is.
     
  34. wickedskillz

    wickedskillz ASA Member
    7+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2011
    Messages:
    167
    Likes Received:
    43
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    imo ABA's examintations are kind of a joke. 6-8 week turnaround time on a computerized test? I don't understand what could possibly take that long. Also, too many questions that are irrelevant to clinical practice, as well as exploitively high examination fees. ABA has plenty of ways to make money beside charging residents/fellows huge fees. Not a big fan of ABA's current exam structure at all
     
  35. d9sccr

    d9sccr ASA Member
    5+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2012
    Messages:
    176
    Likes Received:
    81
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    It's only getting worse with the OSCE component being introduced. The ACGME Step 3 CS has been on-going for years but was little more than an English test. I imagine this is going to be something along the lines of "can you apply the standard monitors and do a machine check".
     
  36. Green Grass

    Physician 10+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2007
    Messages:
    1,689
    Likes Received:
    249
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    We got ours today


    Sent from my iPhone using SDN mobile
     
  37. MaximusD

    MaximusD Anatomically Incorrect
    Physician 10+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2006
    Messages:
    5,140
    Likes Received:
    273
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    Hopefully we get ours tomorrow
     
  38. anbuitachi

    anbuitachi ASA Member
    10+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2008
    Messages:
    3,885
    Likes Received:
    1,167
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    Same, got ours today
     
  39. IkeBoy18

    IkeBoy18 ASA Member
    10+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2005
    Messages:
    677
    Likes Received:
    66
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    Can anyone post the norms?
     
  40. rakotomazoto

    rakotomazoto ASA Member
    7+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2009
    Messages:
    225
    Likes Received:
    195
    Status:
    Attending Physician
    Grumbling about exam fees might appear to the old farts like a millennial attitude problem, but the real issue is that young docs are much more financially screwed than the generations that went before.

    I can't speak for anyone else, but I am drowning in medical school debt and I cringe every time I have to fork over another stack of cash just to jump through another hoop. There are more hoops than there used to be and they cost more and more each year. You can keep your trophy, just stop squeezing the young trainees who are in a much worse financial position than many older physicians. I am upset that they keep adding insult to injury. With things like MOCA and the revision of the board exam schedule (ie, creating a basic exam) the trend is that the ABA is pushing the limit of how frequently they can mug me and empty my wallet. They are in good company with insurance, government, lawyers, and others who have decided that doctors are an easy scapegoat and source of cash to fund their own agendas.

    I expect this will continue and only get worse throughout my career. the over-regulation of healthcare is oppressive and our specialty is caught up in the thick of it.

    Would I like my program to pay my exam fees? Give me a participation trophy? Nope. I wish they would just tell the ABA to shove it and administer their own exam. How would we be able to compare outcomes across programs? We couldn't, so we wouldn't. Board exam scores are not a comprehensive indication of the quality of training received, so maybe we should stop pretending like they are. At the least, let's move into the modern era and stop making oral board examinees fly to North Carolina when video conferencing technology is literally sitting in our pockets. Or how about scoring a computerized exam in a fashion that returns a result faster than the Pony Express?

    So on that happy note, can't wait to get my ITE score. I am just hoping to get the portion of my annual education fund that is held hostage until these scores come out. Get above the 50th percentile or no $$$ for you. Even though we don't pay directly, there are always hidden costs. Such is life.
     
  41. InfinitiPSI

    InfinitiPSI SLPYTME
    Bronze Donor Classifieds Approved 7+ Year Member

    Joined:
    May 25, 2010
    Messages:
    173
    Likes Received:
    11
    MDApps:
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    Still waiting here...
     
  42. CharleyVCU1988

    CharleyVCU1988 Are we having fun yet?
    10+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2007
    Messages:
    37
    Likes Received:
    4
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    Got my results today and I am not happy at all as a CA3...
     
  43. OTCAwesome

    2+ Year Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2015
    Messages:
    30
    Likes Received:
    57
    Status:
    Attending Physician
    I talked to my PD, he just got back from some meeting where they were talking about the OSCE. It's going to be 7 stations, 5/7 are for "communication skills" Informed consent, discussion with surgeon, complication following procedure etc. The other two stations are going to be scenarios, they still don't know how those are going to work. Still sounds like step 3, making sure you can speak english and that you're not a total creeper
     
  44. turnupthegas

    2+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2014
    Messages:
    113
    Likes Received:
    68
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    I've had better days


    Sent from my iPhone using SDN mobile
     
  45. wickedskillz

    wickedskillz ASA Member
    7+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2011
    Messages:
    167
    Likes Received:
    43
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    Really curious why some programs would get grades back before others...
     
  46. pgg

    pgg Laugh at me, will they?
    Moderator Physician Faculty 10+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2005
    Messages:
    11,598
    Likes Received:
    6,725
    Status:
    Attending Physician
    Oh :smack: what a waste of time.

    Make sure you wash your hands upon entering and exiting the room. I guarantee that's on their little checklist.
     
  47. 2828

    7+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2010
    Messages:
    14
    Likes Received:
    3
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    Norm table
     

    Attached Files:

    mostwanted likes this.
  48. waterbottle10

    7+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    264
    Likes Received:
    39
    Status:
    Pre-Pharmacy
    Why do you care as a ca3....
     
  49. amp3r5and

    10+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2007
    Messages:
    419
    Likes Received:
    6
    MDApps:
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    My chair mentioned he was in a good mood today because he had just seen our ite scores....Looks like ours are probably coming next week

    Sent from my SM-G930V using SDN mobile
     
  50. WashMe

    10+ Year Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2008
    Messages:
    1,812
    Likes Received:
    46
    Status:
    Attending Physician
    Looking at the norm table, scores have skyrocketed across the board in the past two years! A CA-3 would now have to score a perfect 50 just to sniff the 99th percentile (which I didn't lol). Looking at the score report, they only counted 196 of the 200 questions, and I think you could miss ~20 (maybe slightly fewer) to get a perfect score, for the neurotic souls among us who worry about this stuff. People must be preparing for this stuff a lot more than in previous years... My score went up but my percentile went down. Doesn't matter, I'm riding the CA3 train to the promised land :D
     
    Green Grass likes this.

Share This Page