2017 ABA ITE Results

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  1. MaximusD

    MaximusD Anatomically Incorrect 10+ Year Member

    Anyone get their results yet?

    I'm guessing end of this week or beginning of next...

    Anyone have any intel otherwise?
     
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  3. MaximusD

    MaximusD Anatomically Incorrect 10+ Year Member

    100 views and no responses = big fat "No!"
     
  4. mikey014

    mikey014 nervous... 7+ Year Member

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    Our coordinator said by the end of first week of April
     
  5. Koan

    Koan ASA Member 7+ Year Member

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    Looking forward to hearing. Our program reimburses Basic exam registration if we exceed 70th %ile. Would be nice to have $775 extra dollars...
     
  6. Shinkansen

    Shinkansen 2+ Year Member

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    Heard a rumor from my attending that our scores came in last week. Dunno why they aren't released yet.
     
  7. MaximusD

    MaximusD Anatomically Incorrect 10+ Year Member

    Ogod why would you do this to me?
     
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  8. killerleaf

    killerleaf beware, beyond there be dragons 10+ Year Member

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    No they haven't. those that took the first round of Oral Exams found out last week if they passed or not. ITE's have NOT been released/sent...
     
  9. AdmiralChz

    AdmiralChz ASA Member 7+ Year Member

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    I am almost positive we didn't get results the past 3 years before April. Expect something next week.
     
  10. 2828

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    I emailed the ABA, they told me ITE results would be released "by mid April". I'm hoping for next week, but who knows. It's been a long 6 weeks!
     
  11. MaximusD

    MaximusD Anatomically Incorrect 10+ Year Member

    Jesus mid-April!? They told me 4-6 weeks when I called two weeks ago. "mid" April would be 7-8 weeks -- to grade a computerized test!
     
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  12. 61November

    61November Ex-Flight Surgeon 7+ Year Member

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    Chill out my flight surgeon brother..

    Results will be out next week, usually tue-wed

    - ex 61N
     
  13. MaximusD

    MaximusD Anatomically Incorrect 10+ Year Member

    *breathes into paper bag*

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  14. Shinkansen

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    ah ok, it didn't sound right. he said they were released to our advisors. damn attendings trolling residents again...
     
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  15. 2828

    2828 5+ Year Member

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    Another resident in my class emailed the ABA yesterday to ask, they told him results will come the week of April 10th, just to temper expectations about next week. :eyebrow:
     
  16. MaximusD

    MaximusD Anatomically Incorrect 10+ Year Member

  17. MaximusD

    MaximusD Anatomically Incorrect 10+ Year Member

    Confirmed. 7-8 weeks this year (week of the 10th). Awesome.
     
  18. osumd

    osumd ASA Member 7+ Year Member

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    Your program should be paying for this regardless
     
  19. d9sccr

    d9sccr ASA Member 5+ Year Member

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    There were only a handful of programs that were doing this when I was interviewing. It wasn't that common a few years ago.
     
  20. AdmiralChz

    AdmiralChz ASA Member 7+ Year Member

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    You'd be surprised how many do not pay. We were one of the few a couple years ago.
     
  21. MaximusD

    MaximusD Anatomically Incorrect 10+ Year Member

    My program doesn't pay for the basic.
     
  22. kidthor

    kidthor meep 10+ Year Member

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    Mine didn't pay for any exams - which I suspect is the norm these days... and I think it's exploitative. The financial impact of a department paying for trainees' exams is trivial, and the soul suck and financial hardship of residents paying for endless needless exams is huge. IMO residencies should pay for every exam regardless of performance, along with medical licensing & DEA fees.
     
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  23. MaximusD

    MaximusD Anatomically Incorrect 10+ Year Member

    That sounds nice. Can I also get 8 vacation weeks per year? LOL
     
  24. Mazshax

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    My program purchased a subscription to an online course called Learnly, by Stanford. If we have 90% completion of the daily modules, the Basic Exam is paid for. Seems fair, but a subscription to a qbank or two would probably be more helpful. That being said, I'm happy to hear that my program is one of the few that actually pays for the basic.
     
  25. MaximusD

    MaximusD Anatomically Incorrect 10+ Year Member

    We did learnly (previously known as StartPrep) as well.
     
  26. AdmiralChz

    AdmiralChz ASA Member 7+ Year Member

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    Perhaps for small programs but those with 20+ it gets to be an aggressive cost.

    I'm a fan of those programs which tag a benchmark on ITE performance to a partial or full reimbursement for Basic/Advanced. It's a nice carrot to offer and has an indirect effect of beefing up a program's ITE scores, particularly in CA-3 year. It might even increase pass rates on boards by "strongly suggesting" they start studying earlier and with earnest. Not all programs can afford this, especially if it's a huge program, but a partial reimbursement could help.
     
  27. MaximusD

    MaximusD Anatomically Incorrect 10+ Year Member

    Still hopeful for next week
     
  28. d9sccr

    d9sccr ASA Member 5+ Year Member

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    The total cost is a bigger number, but I have a hard time believing that even big programs couldn't do it without much thought. I'm at a bigger program and could easily find at least one crna/day to force-off to cover that cost. @$100-110/hr (their rumored wage), it wouldn't take more than a few weeks of empty lounges to "afford" paying for these exams
     
  29. MaximusD

    MaximusD Anatomically Incorrect 10+ Year Member

    Has anyone heard anything new?
     
  30. pgg

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    Jesus Christ, drink a beer. They'll be out when they get around to it.
     
  31. MaximusD

    MaximusD Anatomically Incorrect 10+ Year Member

    Done
     
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  32. caveat87

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    I heard a rumor from one of our faculty members who was at an ABA meeting April 10th was the score release date.
     
  33. algosdoc

    algosdoc algosdoc 10+ Year Member

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    The expectation of programs paying for exams and fees appears to be a millennial thing. The best solution would be a participation trophy instead.
     
  34. MaximusD

    MaximusD Anatomically Incorrect 10+ Year Member

    Same at my program. 7 weeks is too long. But, as they say, it is what it is.
     
  35. wickedskillz

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    imo ABA's examintations are kind of a joke. 6-8 week turnaround time on a computerized test? I don't understand what could possibly take that long. Also, too many questions that are irrelevant to clinical practice, as well as exploitively high examination fees. ABA has plenty of ways to make money beside charging residents/fellows huge fees. Not a big fan of ABA's current exam structure at all
     
  36. d9sccr

    d9sccr ASA Member 5+ Year Member

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    It's only getting worse with the OSCE component being introduced. The ACGME Step 3 CS has been on-going for years but was little more than an English test. I imagine this is going to be something along the lines of "can you apply the standard monitors and do a machine check".
     
  37. Green Grass

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  38. MaximusD

    MaximusD Anatomically Incorrect 10+ Year Member

    Hopefully we get ours tomorrow
     
  39. anbuitachi

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    Same, got ours today
     
  40. IkeBoy18

    IkeBoy18 ASA Member 10+ Year Member

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    Can anyone post the norms?
     
  41. rakotomazoto

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    Grumbling about exam fees might appear to the old farts like a millennial attitude problem, but the real issue is that young docs are much more financially screwed than the generations that went before.

    I can't speak for anyone else, but I am drowning in medical school debt and I cringe every time I have to fork over another stack of cash just to jump through another hoop. There are more hoops than there used to be and they cost more and more each year. You can keep your trophy, just stop squeezing the young trainees who are in a much worse financial position than many older physicians. I am upset that they keep adding insult to injury. With things like MOCA and the revision of the board exam schedule (ie, creating a basic exam) the trend is that the ABA is pushing the limit of how frequently they can mug me and empty my wallet. They are in good company with insurance, government, lawyers, and others who have decided that doctors are an easy scapegoat and source of cash to fund their own agendas.

    I expect this will continue and only get worse throughout my career. the over-regulation of healthcare is oppressive and our specialty is caught up in the thick of it.

    Would I like my program to pay my exam fees? Give me a participation trophy? Nope. I wish they would just tell the ABA to shove it and administer their own exam. How would we be able to compare outcomes across programs? We couldn't, so we wouldn't. Board exam scores are not a comprehensive indication of the quality of training received, so maybe we should stop pretending like they are. At the least, let's move into the modern era and stop making oral board examinees fly to North Carolina when video conferencing technology is literally sitting in our pockets. Or how about scoring a computerized exam in a fashion that returns a result faster than the Pony Express?

    So on that happy note, can't wait to get my ITE score. I am just hoping to get the portion of my annual education fund that is held hostage until these scores come out. Get above the 50th percentile or no $$$ for you. Even though we don't pay directly, there are always hidden costs. Such is life.
     
  42. jlquick

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    Still waiting here...
     
  43. CharleyVCU1988

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    Got my results today and I am not happy at all as a CA3...
     
  44. OTCAwesome

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    I talked to my PD, he just got back from some meeting where they were talking about the OSCE. It's going to be 7 stations, 5/7 are for "communication skills" Informed consent, discussion with surgeon, complication following procedure etc. The other two stations are going to be scenarios, they still don't know how those are going to work. Still sounds like step 3, making sure you can speak english and that you're not a total creeper
     
  45. turnupthegas

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  46. wickedskillz

    wickedskillz ASA Member 5+ Year Member

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    Really curious why some programs would get grades back before others...
     
  47. pgg

    pgg Laugh at me, will they? SDN Moderator 10+ Year Member

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    Oh :smack: what a waste of time.

    Make sure you wash your hands upon entering and exiting the room. I guarantee that's on their little checklist.
     
  48. 2828

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    Norm table
     

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  49. waterbottle10

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    Why do you care as a ca3....
     
  50. amp3r5and

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    My chair mentioned he was in a good mood today because he had just seen our ite scores....Looks like ours are probably coming next week

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  51. WashMe

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    Looking at the norm table, scores have skyrocketed across the board in the past two years! A CA-3 would now have to score a perfect 50 just to sniff the 99th percentile (which I didn't lol). Looking at the score report, they only counted 196 of the 200 questions, and I think you could miss ~20 (maybe slightly fewer) to get a perfect score, for the neurotic souls among us who worry about this stuff. People must be preparing for this stuff a lot more than in previous years... My score went up but my percentile went down. Doesn't matter, I'm riding the CA3 train to the promised land :D
     
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