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2017 Pathology NRMP statistics

Discussion in 'Pathology' started by Doormat, Mar 17, 2017.

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  1. y2k_free_radical

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    Perhaps the optimistic-pessimistic split is secondary to varied experiences and expectations.Also there may be differences between academic and community pathologists.
     
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  3. yaah

    yaah Boring SDN Administrator 10+ Year Member

    It's also just a general way of looking at the world. Experience colors this but it isn't everything.
     
  4. postbacpremed87

    postbacpremed87 5+ Year Member

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    What programs in the Midwest and Southeast would you recommend to do a DO with a Step 1 of 239 (taking Step 2 CK also)? I want a program with a big enough name to be recognizable in the Pathology community. My goal is community practice, either hospital, PP based, or a combination. I'm not interested in Academics.
     
  5. Future.miss.doctor

    Future.miss.doctor 2+ Year Member

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    Im an incoming M1 student and I have explored the field enough to be 99% sure it is what I want to pursue in the future. I'm going to work hard to be the bset pathologist I can be, regardless of how "uncompetitive" it is. I have already built some conmections with program directors and some pathologists.

    As someone said here, the field needs bright and motivated AMGs who couldve gone for another specialty but chose pathology for a genuine interest in it, and not because it's the only specialty they could get in.

    Wait for me, path! I'm coming for you.
     
  6. postbacpremed87

    postbacpremed87 5+ Year Member

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    What does around a 240 on USMLE Step 1 and around a 250 on USMLE Step 2 buy you in terms of Pathology programs as a DO? Ill have 12-14 weeks of Pathology exposure through rotations at the time of application.
     
  7. postbacpremed87

    postbacpremed87 5+ Year Member

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    And before anyone says "unemployment" let me stop you right there
     
  8. DrfluffyMD

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    One thing I worry about is how competitive the top programs are. Even in noncompetitive specialties the tops are tough. I think folks want pathology will also tend to have a higher step 1 toward the high end applicants. Think of your 240 like a 230 I would say.
     
  9. postbacpremed87

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    I think of my 240 like a 240. If they deduct 10 pts then my respect for them is deducted by 10 pts.
     
  10. Future.miss.doctor

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    Well I'm no expert here as I'm still an incoming M1, but from the data I looked at, I think you can get into pretty much any program that is not academic and research heavy. DO students who matched into pathology this year had an average COMLEX score in the 77th percentile (can't remember the exact score). No data was published about the usmle scores, but to put it into perspective, the US MDs had an average score of 233 and the IMGs an average score in the 220s, so DOs probably scored in the 220-240 range.
     
  11. DrfluffyMD

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    I don't think I conveyed my thoughts well. I simply said pathology at upper tier programs may have a higher average step 1 score due to applicant's interest in pathology and step 1 being a pathology heavy exam.

    You will have no trouble matching though, the score thing may or may not even come into play at the highest level because as I alluded to earlier, there aren't enough candidates applying to make it competitive.
     
  12. postbacpremed87

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    How important is Step 2CK to Pathology residencies if you scored well on Step 1(exam probably more relevant to the field).
     
  13. Euchromatin

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    As long as you score relatively similarly, it isn't that big of a deal. Getting a much worse score (or failing) would obviously be a huge red flag, though. If I remember correctly, some programs require your Step 2 CK score (and CS pass) before scheduling interviews and/or ranking you, also, so keep that in mind.
     
  14. Pathbusiness

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    Pathology is a great field. the problem is self created. Programs train too many residents. For them it is cheap labor for grossing specimens, and doing autopsies. Plus they are federally funded as they are "teaching". That leads to too many applicants for a job, and eventually the whole field turns into a commodity. I have watched it happen over the last 15 or so years. We ourselves created a situation where everyone could take advantage and our ability to put the foot down became impossible. That has given rise to a lot of bad practices being adopted in private practice run by big labs esp GI, GU, and Derm.
    Its time for ABP, CAP etc to go back to the drawing board. Chop the number of residency spots by at least 50%. Once it is done, the other issues can be tackled easily.
     
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  15. Pathman1000

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    Well said. Especially with so little interst among american medical students, it makes no sense to have so many training programs filled with burnouts from other specialties, imgs with no other options, and those with red flags and communication issues.
     
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  16. jupiterianvibe

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    But with the upcoming shortage we need to train as many individuals, either foreign or domestic, to be pathologists regardless of their qualifications, ethics or communication skills.

    In other words, business as usual.
     
  17. BUCKFUTTER

    BUCKFUTTER 5+ Year Member

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    I appreciate this post. Thank you for sharing.
    I joined SDN around the same time yaah and LADoc00 joined. There was quite a bit of doom and gloom then (repeated links to some stupid tripod website back in those days) but that didn't dissuade me from going into pathology.

    I'm pretty happy in my job. Great opportunities to help patients and awesome lifestyle with very good pay.

    I don't frequent this forum much but seems to me that the doom and gloom still persists.
     
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  18. yaah

    yaah Boring SDN Administrator 10+ Year Member

    Doom and gloom will never go away. It's the dominant force in politics now, too (along with spite).

    Doom-and-gloomers are always SO sure that their opinion is the only correct one, and that everyone who disagrees with them is (pick one) biased, ignorant, or corrupt. They jump on any evidence they can find to support their opinion, and dismiss anything contrary. You can never win an argument with a doom-and-gloomer, especially online. If you do, they just go away and are silent. Or they move the goalposts. Or they just say that the predictions that haven't come true yet are going to come true soon. And then they insult you and leave.
     
  19. yaah

    yaah Boring SDN Administrator 10+ Year Member

    What I always really wanted was a way to put up a counter on the front forum page, "Days since link to tripod site has been posted by using it as evidence to back up an opinion." I think it just got posted again a couple of weeks ago. The record is probably about 100 days. And that website is older than iphones and half the internet companies that everyone thinks indispensable.
     

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