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2018-2019 Nephrology Fellowship Application Cycle

Discussion in 'Other Subspecialties' started by blackninja, Jul 5, 2018.

  1. avengerfullofrevenge

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    Albert Einstein philadephia, anything new this week guys
     
  4. avengerfullofrevenge

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    I guess that was all. No more invites for this season unless someone else cancels theirs?
     
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    I agree with this. It always best to submit fellowship apps on time so that yield greatest amount of invitations even if nephrology is super uncompetitive.
     
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    A colleague of mine only went to two IV and submitted his application august 15th out of hubris . He didn’t not match . But he still Pickedup a scramble spot in a top university academic center
     
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    there should be plenty of spots to pick from in post match scramble. No official way like SOAP for residency. But programs will be desperate to fill unfilled spots and you can get a top 10 program with 1 or 2 openings easily by attending just that one IV
     
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    got TEMPLE uni IV
     
  9. docebzz

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    Had a questions, I got IV from UCLA ronald regan, UCLA olive view and harbour as well Uni of CA Irvine program, I want to go to two interviews in CA because of time constraint , for sure i will go to ronald regan as its a top ranked hospital in the country, whats the second best option?
     
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    anybody has the suggestion for above! need to schedule interviews soon
     
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    Hey guys if you guys had to choose between Emory and Baylor houston? Which one would you pick? Also what about georgetown and georgewashington which one is better? Anyone has any input?
     
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    I heard UCLA harbor is mainly population without insurance and the program has not filled in past years. I imagine is a heavy program. UC irvine fills every year and its in orange. I guess depends where you want to live. Dont know about olive view.
     
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    Olive view is good. I have friend who is doing Chief year next year and he likes that program alot
     
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    For those who have been around on sdn forums.... on average based on previous matches, how many programs do we need to rank for Nephro in order to match??
     
  15. docebzz

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    i think 6 at most will be definitive for match.
     
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    Have someone interviewed at any program in Chicago, IL? if so please share your experience. I'll be going to UIC, Loyola and Rush. Thanks!
     
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    I haven’t interviewed at either one of those places.
     
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    Has someone interviewed at Columbia? Can you share your experience. I have been told is a ver malignant program. I was thinking of canceling because of money but I want to be sure I am not missing out on a good program?
     
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    has anyone interviewed at UPENN. What are your thoughts about the program in general?
     
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    Sorry. I haven’t interviewed at UPenn and Columbia
     
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    hi guys , Any idea how is the UCONN program . Any one interviewed there ?
    thank you
     
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    any idea about cleveland? is it malignant?
     
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    Combined nephrology/critical care program at Jersey Shore university hospital,interested applicants apply through ERAS.
     
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    Has anybody interviewed at Houston Methodist? Would anyone like to share their experience?? Thanks!
     
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    You guys do realize that there are reasons why this specialty is non-competitive right? The reason I say so is because half of my nephrology friends are back doing hospitalist work. You can look up all previous threads of what people have said about reimbursement/work balance, I don’t need to repeat it. Let me give you a glimpse of the real world:

    1) In this article a well known nephrology job recruiter laments that nephrology graduates are choosing hospitalist medicine over a nephrology career.

    https://www.healio.com/nephrology/practice-management/news/print/nephrology-news-and-issues/{58251b65-ec06-4456-a009-93c9e7b9f126}/fellows-priorities-are-changing-so-must-the-specialty

    2) Another article reveals data showing that 36% of nephrology graduates are returning to hospitalist medicine. And of the remaining people who join a nephrology practice, “some 50% leave within 5 years”.

    https://www.healio.com/nephrology/practice-management/news/print/nephrology-news-and-issues/{55c6a882-e99b-4511-b6a5-327d66092ceb}/an-appeal-to-industry-leaders-take-charge-of-the-future-of-nephrology

    Nephrologists don’t want to do nephrology, yet you guys want to do nephrology, God bless. Best wishes to all.
     
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    Yawn. Oh here we go again with the anecdotes. Another fellowship interview season, and another season of condescending non-nephrologist "experts" coming out of the woodwork to enlighten us as to why nephrology is inferior. So your number of "nephrology friends" is 2. And 1 decided he/she preferred to be a hospitalist after the fact. Clearly a robust sample size. Well done.

    Nephrology being the black sheep of IM is so 5 years ago. So perhaps all of us should descend on the other specialty threads here and bash those fields too. If enough online keyboard warriors were to keep making vague claims about cardiology or rheumatology or endocrine, eventually they must be true, right? You could put a ridiculously negative spin on literally any specialty out there.
     
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    except that their societies are not published task force documents after every match cycle and many specialists in those fields are not raising red flags about the lack of jobs in their field. The healio link above provides info from a guy in Davita which owns like 40 percent of dialysis centers.

    The issue here is that exisitng ppl forget to agree there is an issue. Everyone else seem to know that there is an issue. Graduating fellows are now more focused on life style. Many dont prefer driving to two hospitals 40 miles apart on weekends and write 50 notes a day.

    The healio article also points to several things that can potentially be changed and eyeopening. For ppl who are set on nephro too, this article will help to understand the job market.
     
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    Eye of the beholder. My job sometimes involves driving 30+ minutes in one direction, and I enjoy it. My lifestyle on weekends at the hospital is also substantially better than most other specialists I know and run into while there. They get crushed working 14 hours, and I leave when it's still sunny outside. And it seems like they're working more weekends there than I am.
     
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    To quote your own, thats n=1, who enjoys driving around town on call to different hospitals.
     
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    Absolutely. Especially when I'm still wrapping up my day several hours before other IM subspecialists are.
    Are you finished trolling the Nephrology thread yet?
     
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    Well,really, with a 64% unfilled rate it is kind of but I agree nephro or not, the people who are coming here have thought about their decision to apply to nephrology and sometimes going into subspecialty is not about money or even lifestyle but enjoying the discipline enough to say you want to do that type of work.

    Obviously posting about the real world difficulties and possible misconceptions of the field makes sense even here.
     
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    Quick question. I updated my MyERAS application by adding my NRMP ID number this morning. I hadn’t had the chance to get to it during this interview season. Is there any further actions and I need to do?? I was going to update my programs by email about it. Thanks.
     
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    Hi All.
    So I understand that most of us are done interviewing now and it’s time to prepare that dreaded rank list and honestly everything from all 10 programs I interviewed at seems to have muddled together. Here is my list of the ones I liked so far, in no particular order, and I hope that your inputs can help me decide.
    1. Columbia
    2. Mt Sinai
    3. Yale
    4. Duke
    5. BWH/MGH
    6. BIDMC
    7. Cornell

    :)
    Good luck to all. Let me know if i can help with any inputs.
     
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    1. Trust your gut. How did you feel during your interview day? Did the fellows at the program look happy? Or do they look miserable and very overworked? Or were they scattered all over the place that you minimal contact with them? Call schedule? Protected time for research so that you can write up stuff for ASN and NKF? Does the curriculum fits your learning style?

    2. Geography. Is there specific geographic location that you would like to practice in?

    3. Does either one of those program has something that you personally desire? I.e. research opportunities, in house Transplant fellowship, interventional Nephrology certification etc.

    4. Avoid places that have gone consistently unfilled for the match. You don’t want to be the only fellow from you batch.

    Hope this helps.
     
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    Thanks a lot!
    It does.
    GL
     
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    anybody help me decide how to rank the following :
    1) Mayo phx
    2) Cleveland clinic FL
    3) uic
    4) Uni of colorado
    5) darthmout
    6) brown
    7) NYU
    8) UCLA ( main campus)
    9) emory

    thank you!
     
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    Does anyone have any thoughts about the Boston programs?
    BWH/MGH
    BI
    BU
    Tufts
     
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    anybody help me decide how to rank the following:

    SUNY downstate Brooklyn,NY
    Harlem hospital, NY
    Saint Louis university hospital, MO
    Arkansas university for medical sciences., AR
     
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    Big factor here.

    Don't pick the location that the 23 year-old version of you would want. Be practical.

    Academic medical centers looking to hire and private practice groups are most likely to rely on their connections with local fellowship programs. They aren't going to ask the fellowship PD who to hire. They're going to dig deeper into faculty rosters to find someone they know who will tell them the real truth about a trainee. This is why you can't simply train on the coasts and expect to easily land a job anywhere in the country when you decide the "time is right".
     
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    Can some one please tell me what would happen if you didn't match?what is the process of post match scramble? do one need to call up the programs and speak with them asap or what?and how do we know that which programs have unfilled positions?
     
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    The same way as in residency match...unfilled list comes out on the day of match...the next day you start calling programs...not like SOAP but the previous scramble...you call,fax,email programs and they get back to you and offer spot
     
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    Thank you for the information
     
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    Curious question for 11/28/18. Will we get an email notification when match results come out or do login into NRMP on noon EST time to get our results??
     
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    I find that this article provides good perspective on supply and demand issues in the nephrology workforce and how fellowship programs are contributing to this imbalance. A worthwhile read for all who plan to enter this specialty.

    Resizing Nephrology Training Programs
     
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    One last question. Once we certify our list and we get green ‘certified’ status in nrmp, is there anything else we need to do?? Please let me know and best of luck to everyone!
     
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    you should be all set
     
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    Thank You!!
     

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