2018 APPIC Internship Phase II - onward and upward!

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Quick question – I know sites are not supposed to tell you about ranking. But i’m having difficulty deciding which sites are the most interested. I have been emailing back-and-forth with a few sites – which I think shows their interest. But a couple of sites have said things like good luck. Good luck does not strike me as very hopeful....
 
Quick question – I know sites are not supposed to tell you about ranking. But i’m having difficulty deciding which sites are the most interested. I have been emailing back-and-forth with a few sites – which I think shows their interest. But a couple of sites have said things like good luck. Good luck does not strike me as very hopeful....

I would think that saying "good luck" is just fine. Supervisors should not be hinting at how they will be ranking you and should seem unbiased, it should really be based on how you feel about the site. Unless you think an interview went terribly and you believe you have virtually no chance of matching, I would rank the sites based on their fit and how excited you are about the prospect of training there.
 
I hate that we can’t be picky at this stage (although I also feel lucky that there are so many great options). I’ve had some wonderful interviews and some really really awful ones...I think you get a good glimpse into the program by how the interview process goes. But then I’m not actually going to NOT rank places that don’t make a great impression...ugh. Hope you’re all hanging in there.
Yes!! I feel you. On the one hand - I get not making a great interview impression as an interviewee. I've spent a lot of time thinking about ways I could improve my interview game just incase that was the reason I am in phase II. On the other hand... I had a few interviews this past week where I left thinking, "Why would I work there? I think it'd be miserable based on this (interview) time alone." Yeah... it's been a weird process for me more in phase II than it was in phase 1.
 
Just submitted my (tentative) rankings. Anyone else feeling kind of bummed/worried/pessimistic now that interviews have died down? When I submitted my rankings, the bottom of the page was a reminder of my Phase I results, and the words "regret to inform you..." I want to be hopeful about matching, but know that it's still a possibility it won't work out in Phase II. And I feel like in post match vacancy there REALLY won't be anything I'll want to apply to. So it'll be another year of putting my life on hold....
Yep, I am worried and have a pessimistic part of me that's hard to co-exist with at some moments. I felt like I'd have a match somewhere in phase 1 and was pretty shocked...not out of a sense of confidence about being that good, but in phase 1 I had enough interviews that felt good, enough places that felt like a great fit, and the numbers alone were in my favor. I felt heartbroken by the result. This prolonged process is having a negative impact on some areas of my life so it's pretty hard to approach the rankings process. I have one last interview this phase before rankings and am dreading sending my rankings off to the system and waiting for the match process to do its thing. On the other hand, I'm not typically a "look at the silver linings" kind of person but I did find a site in this second phase that seems like a way better match than any sites I found in the first phase. In that way I have some hope, even if it feels slippery at times to hold onto. I hope you all have something like that too... if not, I do feel the struggle as well.
 
Does anyone know the match statistics for round II? Just curious of that they are, even though they were not in my favor first round. I had 5 interviews first round, which had a high match percentage, and did not match. This round I have 10, so I am hoping for a better outcome.
 
Does anyone know the match statistics for round II? Just curious of that they are, even though they were not in my favor first round. I had 5 interviews first round, which had a high match percentage, and did not match. This round I have 10, so I am hoping for a better outcome.
You can find them on the same page if you google “APPiC match statistics” then on each year just hit the p2 link - they are pretty similar to in p1
 
Just submitted my (tentative) rankings. Anyone else feeling kind of bummed/worried/pessimistic now that interviews have died down? When I submitted my rankings, the bottom of the page was a reminder of my Phase I results, and the words "regret to inform you..." I want to be hopeful about matching, but know that it's still a possibility it won't work out in Phase II. And I feel like in post match vacancy there REALLY won't be anything I'll want to apply to. So it'll be another year of putting my life on hold....


I’m completely torn between remaining optimistic/telling myself not matching isn’t the worst thing that can happen to a person, and feeling like a complete failure and sure I’ll be trying the match again next year. I’m going to be a mess these next couple weeks and I’m dreading work on match day.
 
As for disappointment...I applied to 14 places this round and had 0 interviews. However my training director mentioned in the past some sites rank people on paper without interviews. I find that highly doubtful and just some last thread to cling to before the axe falls.
 
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Is anyone else weighing the options of ranking and not ranking an non-apa accredited site (with whom will hear back about their accreditation status by the start of internship)? Phase II has been a blessing in disguise for me and I am hoping to make the "best" decision with matching to a site. The non-apa sites are amazing (training and clinical population wise), I am just torn between the idea of banking off a site potentially receiving accreditation or not.
 
As for disappointment...I applied to 14 places this round and had 0 interviews. However my training director mentioned in the past some sites rank people on paper without interviews. I find that highly doubtful and just some last thread to cling to before the axe falls.

I was looking at the breaking news and there are still sites that are looking for applications, with deadlines for interview scheduling going until Monday, March 19.
 
As for disappointment...I applied to 14 places this round and had 0 interviews. However my training director mentioned in the past some sites rank people on paper without interviews. I find that highly doubtful and just some last thread to cling to before the axe falls.

My Training Director told us this as well. Although it isn't extremely common, students have been matched to sites they didn't get an interview for. It's my understanding that sites only have so much time and energy to give to interviews. Thus although they really like you (from your application) and wasn't able to give you an interview, they may still rank you on their list. If I remember correctly, sites do not have a limit to how many students they may put on their ranking list. In addition, just like applicants want to get matched to a site, sites are also pressured and want have their positions filled. Stay hopeful! 🙂
 
Is anyone else weighing the options of ranking and not ranking an non-apa accredited site (with whom will hear back about their accreditation status by the start of internship)? Phase II has been a blessing in disguise for me and I am hoping to make the "best" decision with matching to a site. The non-apa sites are amazing (training and clinical population wise), I am just torn between the idea of banking off a site potentially receiving accreditation or not.

If they are Accredited, on contingency, it's safe to do so. If they do not have that designation, I, personally, would forgo that rank. It's always a personal decision, but it's much, much better to take a year and beef up a CV and get an accredited position the following year, than to complete an unaccredited internship. It will lock you out of many jobs for your entire career and make licensure difficult in many states.
 
I just finished an interview where I was asked "what happened in Phase I?"....I'm not sure if this was an information-gathering question, or one to see how defensive I would get LOL but it definitely caught me off guard. Anyone else get this one?
This exact question happened in both of my interviews so far so I felt prepared for the second time it was asked.
 
This exact question happened in both of my interviews so far so I felt prepared for the second time it was asked.
I had been treating Phase II such that I had, either consciously or unconsciously, wiped Phase I from my memory....which is why I never prepared to answer this one. Yikes to me lol
 
I had been treating Phase II such that I had, either consciously or unconsciously, wiped Phase I from my memory....which is why I never prepared to answer this one. Yikes to me lol

Not one of mine asked but i withdrew early vs not matching :shrug:
 
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Quick question – I know sites are not supposed to tell you about ranking. But i’m having difficulty deciding which sites are the most interested. I have been emailing back-and-forth with a few sites – which I think shows their interest. But a couple of sites have said things like good luck. Good luck does not strike me as very hopeful....
I've had a lot of "best of luck" and "good luck" as well. Makes me dive into the deep end of my anxiety pool, real quick.

"Are they wishing me luck because I bombed this so bad that I need a four-leaf clover to save me?"
"Are they wishing me luck because I will never speak to them again because they are not ranking me and that is something nice to say?"
...things like that 😵
 
My Training Director told us this as well. Although it isn't extremely common, students have been matched to sites they didn't get an interview for. It's my understanding that sites only have so much time and energy to give to interviews. Thus although they really like you (from your application) and wasn't able to give you an interview, they may still rank you on their list. If I remember correctly, sites do not have a limit to how many students they may put on their ranking list. In addition, just like applicants want to get matched to a site, sites are also pressured and want have their positions filled. Stay hopeful! 🙂


I heard from my Training Director when I spoke with him today that this ranking of students that haven't interviewed at a site is not likely...Just wanted to dispel one of the rumors going around on here 🙂
 
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As a training director with a phase 2 position open, I have wished all of my applicants good luck. It is a sincere wish that they get whatever they define as success in Phase II, whether it is with my site or another one. I actually don't communicate differently with the applicants I most versus applicants I don't see as a great fit, and some of that is to be sure to stick within Match policies.
 
Hi everyone! I received an email today from one of the sites informing me that they will rank me (of course not how they will rank me). I’m trying not to read too much into this, but can’t help but wonder if sites usually tell whether or not they will rank someone, and if they do, does that mean they see you as a good match with their site? In phase 1 I never received any emails about sites ranking me or not ranking me.
 
Hi everyone! I received an email today from one of the sites informing me that they will rank me (of course not how they will rank me). I’m trying not to read too much into this, but can’t help but wonder if sites usually tell whether or not they will rank someone, and if they do, does that mean they see you as a good match with their site? In phase 1 I never received any emails about sites ranking me or not ranking me.
In phase 1 I had a TD tell me at the end of an interview she hoped the match system put us together and another site let me know they wouldn't be ranking me. Those two were the odd ducks, I had a fair number of other sites that didn't say anything about whether they were going to rank me. Congrats, by the way, that you have that message from a site!!! I am assuming that means they see you as a good fit, but I have no idea if (from a TD's perspective) that's reading too much into it.
 
Hi everyone! I received an email today from one of the sites informing me that they will rank me (of course not how they will rank me). I’m trying not to read too much into this, but can’t help but wonder if sites usually tell whether or not they will rank someone, and if they do, does that mean they see you as a good match with their site? In phase 1 I never received any emails about sites ranking me or not ranking me.

I received an email like this too today. I wonder if it's the same site haha.
 
hi folks -i'm likely getting way ahead of myself with this question but looking at potential internship start dates made me think- is there a standard way people handle internships w/ later start dates ending after post-docs typically begin? Pretty sure internships have to be full year so are post docs flexible with start dates? Or are you just limited
 
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I just finished an interview where I was asked "what happened in Phase I?"....I'm not sure if this was an information-gathering question, or one to see how defensive I would get LOL but it definitely caught me off guard. Anyone else get this one?

This exact question happened in both of my interviews so far so I felt prepared for the second time it was asked.

This seems a little bit obnoxious - I sort of hope y'all asked the same thing back to them.
 
hi folks -i'm likely getting way ahead of myself with this question but looking at potential internship start dates made me think- is there a standard way people handle internships w/ later start dates ending after post-docs typically begin? Pretty sure internships have to be full year so are post docs flexible with start dates? Or are you just limited

Not an expert, but based on conversations with people in my program who went on late start internships, and with interns at those sites during interviews, postdocs are pretty flexible. They also vary a lot, in that positions may not even know if they have funding until the Spring, so they can start later.
 
Not an expert, but based on conversations with people in my program who went on late start internships, and with interns at those sites during interviews, postdocs are pretty flexible. They also vary a lot, in that positions may not even know if they have funding until the Spring, so they can start later.
thankyou! good to know
 
This seems a little bit obnoxious - I sort of hope y'all asked the same thing back to them.

Not sure I'd ask this specific question if we were in Phase II, but I'd ask a similar one to get at the same concept. It's very much fair game. It's getting at self-reflection and awareness.
 
Not sure I'd ask this specific question if we were in Phase II, but I'd ask a similar one to get at the same concept. It's very much fair game. It's getting at self-reflection and awareness.
Thanks for explaining, though I think you may have missed that it was a joke. I suspect that everyone here is smart and thoughtful enough to recognize that they could actually ask that more diplomatically, and that it would provide them good info, so I didn't feel the need to actually explain that out. Rather, levity seemed more in order given the stress around everything internship-related.
 
Not sure I'd ask this specific question if we were in Phase II, but I'd ask a similar one to get at the same concept. It's very much fair game. It's getting at self-reflection and awareness.
It makes sense that there's value to this question. As an intern, I'm curious about your perspective of whether you'd be open to responding if an applicant asked a similar question about your training. I realize your answer may depend upon the manner in which the question is being asked... Assuming an applicant was wondering the same things about the site (whether the site is reflective about not filling its openings and about what the staff reflects upon), would you be open to sharing your thoughts with an applicant?
 
It makes sense that there's value to this question. As an intern, I'm curious about your perspective of whether you'd be open to responding if an applicant asked a similar question about your training. I realize your answer may depend upon the manner in which the question is being asked... Assuming an applicant was wondering the same things about the site (whether the site is reflective about not filling its openings and about what the staff reflects upon), would you be open to sharing your thoughts with an applicant?

Of course, although, as you said, it all depends on how and with what tone the question is asked. The answer would be very dependent on the year. For example, an accredited site in phase II in 2010-2012 would likely have a much different answer than a site this year, on average.
 
Thanks for explaining, though I think you may have missed that it was a joke. I suspect that everyone here is smart and thoughtful enough to recognize that they could actually ask that more diplomatically, and that it would provide them good info, so I didn't feel the need to actually explain that out. Rather, levity seemed more in order given the stress around everything internship-related.

Didn't miss the joke at all. My comment was directed at the original question that was posed to the interviewee. Just a comment that the question, at its heart, is neither obnoxious, nor unfair.
 
I’m surprised I still haven’t heard from so many sites. I expected at least a slew of rejections this weekend. I know they don’t have to notify us but it seems the courteous thing to do, no?
 
I’m surprised I still haven’t heard from so many sites. I expected at least a slew of rejections this weekend. I know they don’t have to notify us but it seems the courteous thing to do, no?

Yeahh..definitely would be nice but they probably don’t have time! And I sorta expected it, given the proportion of sites that seemed to give rejection notifications in the last couple years’ threads.
 
Didn't miss the joke at all. My comment was directed at the original question that was posed to the interviewee. Just a comment that the question, at its heart, is neither obnoxious, nor unfair.

...neither obnoxious nor unfair in your opinion. I think it's ok for people to disagree with you. This should be a space that welcomes and doesn't shut down alternate opinions.
 
...neither obnoxious nor unfair in your opinion. I think it's ok for people to disagree with you. This should be a space that welcomes and doesn't shut down alternate opinions.

Indeed, disagreements are just fine. But, at its heart, this site is all about providing accurate information to students at various stages of training. This is just one such clarification of that information.
 
Indeed, disagreements are just fine. But, at its heart, this site is all about providing accurate information to students at various stages of training. This is just one such clarification of that information.
Many things the students here understand without needing to have it TD-splained. I think it was clear from the start why someone would ask that, but that doesn't mean it doesn't sting. That was my point - that your clarification was unnecessary and a bit patronizing because it was intuited already.
 
Many things the students here understand without needing to have it TD-splained. I think it was clear from the start why someone would ask that, but that doesn't mean it doesn't sting. That was my point - that your clarification was unnecessary and a bit patronizing because it was intuited already.

I'm sorry you feel that way. But, I do feel that some students, according to the PMs I receive, still do appreciate clarifications from the other side of the equation and do find it helpful.
 
Indeed, disagreements are just fine. But, at its heart, this site is all about providing accurate information to students at various stages of training. This is just one such clarification of that information.

I'm sorry you feel that way. But, I do feel that some students, according to the PMs I receive, still do appreciate clarifications from the other side of the equation and do find it helpful.

Oh dear. You think that you're providing objective "TD clarification" by saying something is or isn't obnoxious? I know your site has low productivity demands, but this seems like a step below low productivity. It's harmful.
 
Oh dear. You think that you're providing objective "TD clarification" by saying something is or isn't obnoxious? I know your site has low productivity demands, but this seems like a step below low productivity. It's harmful.

I guess we are all entitled to our opinion. Be it ad hominem or otherwise.
 
I guess we are all entitled to our opinion. Be it ad hominem or otherwise.

My opinion is directed at you in so far as at this moment you're the individual in power asserting your opinion as if were an indisputable fact that is without doubt helpful to all.
 
My opinion is directed at you in so far as at this moment you're the individual in power asserting your opinion as if were an indisputable fact that is without doubt helpful to all.

I would question where exactly it was that I asserted my view as an unalienable fact? Instead, it seems very hypocritical as it seems that one view is really the only one that is assailed as unacceptable and trying to be "silenced." I merely brought up the notion that there is a good reason such a question may be asked. You were the one that will only accept one point of view, not I.
 
I'm sorry you feel that way. But, I do feel that some students, according to the PMs I receive, still do appreciate clarifications from the other side of the equation and do find it helpful.
My comment was directed at the fact that no one asked for clarification or demonstrated, in any way, that they didn't understand. When people ask or show ignorance, have at! When that doesn't occur, that's frequently when unsolicited advice becomes unwelcome and sounds patronizing.
 
Mod Note: A friendly, pre-emptive reminder to all to please remain civil and professional. Thanks.

hi folks -i'm likely getting way ahead of myself with this question but looking at potential internship start dates made me think- is there a standard way people handle internships w/ later start dates ending after post-docs typically begin? Pretty sure internships have to be full year so are post docs flexible with start dates? Or are you just limited

As was said above, postdocs tend to be much more flexible than internships; and yep, internships must be a full year. A very late internship start date could preclude participation in some of the more highly time-sensitive fellowships, so that's at least a small possibility. But in my own case, for example, my late internship start date wasn't a problem for postdoc. It just meant I finished fellowship a few weeks later than some others. I don't recall running across any postdoc sites that had absolutely zero flexibility in their start dates.
 
I would question where exactly it was that I asserted my view as an unalienable fact? Instead, it seems very hypocritical as it seems that one view is really the only one that is assailed as unacceptable and trying to be "silenced." I merely brought up the notion that there is a good reason such a question may be asked. You were the one that will only accept one point of view, not I.

To clarify: I am saying it is unacceptable to say repeatedly that something is or isn't obnoxious without stating as an opinion, not that your opinion is unacceptable.

Being aware of power differentials and self-reflecting are important parts of being a TD; considerations I am aware of in my own positions of power. It does not seem that various students' pleas (on this thread and others) for you to be more welcoming of alternate opinions are effective or productive so I will stop engaging to open up the thread for it's real purpose.
 
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