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Let’s get this started shall we!
Hehe! I was thinking that COVID scared a bunch of people off! Gluck everyone and stay safe!Quiet in here! I wonder if there will be more applicants because of covid...
These are 3 program directors for PCCM. Not sure if COVID is responsible, but application numbers are up.
Its good thing tho. People get to find out earlier honestly. But I suspect the reason is straight CC is a smaller pool than the traditional P/CC? Just a thought.Is there a reason why critical care does not participate in NRMP yet?
Its good thing tho. People get to find out earlier honestly. But I suspect the reason is straight CC is a smaller pool than the traditional P/CC? Just a thought.
No... it's not. When I went through the process I got 3 interviews. I got an exploding offer out of state (would have meant a long distance/no relationship with my now fiancee/COVID wife) that was supposed to explode 3 days before an instate interview. I verbally accepted that offer, got the letter of intent the day before the interview, delayed signing until after the second interview where I explained my situation and got an offer about 30 minutes after the local interview. That resulted in me calling the first place and retracting my acceptance.
It was a terrible week and an awesome week. I do feel a little bad about going back on my word... but that's the nature of exploding offers.
Oh wow, you're already receiving offers? Thats nice. But yea I hear what you're saying.
Gotcha. Also I kept reading the "exploding offer" thinking what in the heck? Haha, then realized it was expiring...This was 2 years ago...
No... it's not. When I went through the process I got 3 interviews. I got an exploding offer out of state (would have meant a long distance/no relationship with my now fiancee/COVID wife) that was supposed to explode 3 days before an instate interview. I verbally accepted that offer, got the letter of intent the day before the interview, delayed signing until after the second interview where I explained my situation and got an offer about 30 minutes after the local interview. That resulted in me calling the first place and retracting my acceptance.
It was a terrible week and an awesome week. I do feel a little bad about going back on my word... but that's the nature of exploding offers.
Some programs will be offering spots prior to other places even sending out interviews this year. Tough to figure out how to try to balance the schedule.No... it's not. When I went through the process I got 3 interviews. I got an exploding offer out of state (would have meant a long distance/no relationship with my now fiancee/COVID wife) that was supposed to explode 3 days before an instate interview. I verbally accepted that offer, got the letter of intent the day before the interview, delayed signing until after the second interview where I explained my situation and got an offer about 30 minutes after the local interview. That resulted in me calling the first place and retracting my acceptance.
It was a terrible week and an awesome week. I do feel a little bad about going back on my word... but that's the nature of exploding offers.
Just for the record... it wasn't Baylor...How could you do that to Baylor.
(I’m jk... In case it actually is Baylor. I don’t know who you are.)
Gotcha. Also I kept reading the "exploding offer" thinking what in the heck? Haha, then realized it was expiring...
No... it's not. When I went through the process I got 3 interviews. I got an exploding offer out of state (would have meant a long distance/no relationship with my now fiancee/COVID wife) that was supposed to explode 3 days before an instate interview. I verbally accepted that offer, got the letter of intent the day before the interview, delayed signing until after the second interview where I explained my situation and got an offer about 30 minutes after the local interview. That resulted in me calling the first place and retracting my acceptance.
It was a terrible week and an awesome week. I do feel a little bad about going back on my word... but that's the nature of exploding offers.
Yes. There are no rules when it comes to non-Match offers and nothing had been signed yet.when you say you explained your situation, did you actually tell them that you verbally accepted another offer without signing the contract?
I see, I am in a similar predicament - I accepted an offer via email and a phone call because they gave me 24 hours to decide( which seems a bit odd ) I still have another interview left and I was wondering if it was acceptable for me to 1) interview there if I gave my word ( and an email ) elsewhereYes. There are no rules when it comes to non-Match offers and nothing had been signed yet.
I see, I am in a similar predicament - I accepted an offer via email and a phone call because they gave me 24 hours to decide( which seems a bit odd ) I still have another interview left and I was wondering if it was acceptable for me to 1) interview there if I gave my word ( and an email ) elsewhere
2) should let them know that I have tentatively accepted another offer but that I’m more interested in their program ( based on what I gather on the interview day )
Yes. There are no rules when it comes to non-Match offers and nothing had been signed yet.
I see, I am in a similar predicament - I accepted an offer via email and a phone call because they gave me 24 hours to decide( which seems a bit odd ) I still have another interview left and I was wondering if it was acceptable for me to 1) interview there if I gave my word ( and an email ) elsewhere
2) should let them know that I have tentatively accepted another offer but that I’m more interested in their program ( based on what I gather on the interview day )
I don’t know if I’d tell them you accepted somewhere else. I think that make come off poorly.
I’d email the other program now to see if they can interview you sooner.
I was in a similar situation -interviewed at my top choice on a Wednesday, they said they’d make offers in a week. Thursday got an offer from somewhere else with 72h to respond. Didn’t accept but emailed my top choice friday to explain and they called me with an offer that same day
I don’t know if I’d tell them you accepted somewhere else. I think that make come off poorly.
Just... be cautious.
Siggy is correct, until you've signed a contract, nothing is binding. Even an LOI isn't technically binding.
But... CCM is a small community. You're going to run into these people at conferences, on the job trail, and other places for years to come. You don't want to burn bridges even at places you don't end up going to.
If I had a prospective applicant sign a LOI, then call me a few days later and retract it, I would be irked but I'd understand their situation and I wouldn't think too harshly of them. And if you're going to do this, you had best make a phone call; don't do this by email.
If I had a prospective applicant sign a LOI, then call me a few -weeks- or months later to retract it that would bother me a lot more. Because that would significantly affect my offer timeline for other people and would likely cause me to miss out on better candidates.
Yea. Just say you have another offer that you have to make a decision on immediately. If you told me that you had already signed somewhere else but would go back on it to come to my institution, I wouldn't offer you a spot on that bit of information alone.
Is it normal for the leadership to give the candidates only 24-48 hours to accept? Seems harsh.
24 hours is a little short but bigger name programs can do that. But 24-72 hours is the norm.
Here's what I wrote about this in another thread...
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Pulmonary and Critical Care fellowship 2020/2021 cycle
How many interviews are people planning on doing? I was told 10 is average? I am planning on 10-12. Guess that could change.forums.studentdoctor.net
...and to be clear, I retracted my verbal intent within 48 hours of giving it and before sending back a LOI. It would have been something major to require me to retract an LOI, legally binding or not.If I had a prospective applicant sign a LOI, then call me a few days later and retract it, I would be irked but I'd understand their situation and I wouldn't think too harshly of them. And if you're going to do this, you had best make a phone call; don't do this by email.
If I had a prospective applicant sign a LOI, then call me a few -weeks- or months later to retract it that would bother me a lot more. Because that would significantly affect my offer timeline for other people and would likely cause me to miss out on better candidates.
If the second program did not make room for you sooner, or offer you a spot with the leverage of an outside offer, you could also infer that they are not as interested. Something else to think about in this black box game we're playing.I called the 2nd program the day I got my first offer ( Tuesday ) to let them know that I had an offer and if they can interview me sooner. They said they would do their best but that they did not have any guarentees( they did not give mean earlier day). Thank you for your advice.
Congrats. IMG here as well. Hopefully will have some offers this week. I thought that I will at least get some more interviews when others cancel but nothing from that end either!I recently accepted a CCM offer. It was also an exploding offer and was after my first interview. Was given 24 hours and managed to stall for a week but it just wasn't long enough to do other interviews/get offers.
I'll have to move + family issues and but as an IMG the alternative of not matching is just too distressing so even though its just a LOI, I cancelled other interviews and withdrew from the PCCM match. I am super happy but theres always that....what if?
You hear about CCM Prematch but actually going through it is a unique level of stress
Congrats. IMG here as well. Hopefully will have some offers this week. I thought that I will at least get some more interviews when others cancel but nothing from that end either!
Does any mind mind sharing where try received offers? Trying to make contingency plans
If the second program did not make room for you sooner, or offer you a spot with the leverage of an outside offer, you could also infer that they are not as interested. Something else to think about in this black box game we're playing.
Check out the spreadsheet! All the red columns are filled programs
applied to 9 programs and have 1 offer ! Why am i even here
sorry, offer meaning interview invite !You have an offer? Are you complaining?
Just curious, does anyone know of any kind of ranking formal, informal or otherwise of CCM fellowship programs anywhere? Its seems a bit difficult to find outside (aka not their website) information on pure CCM programs. Esp now with everything being virtual.
Wasnt sure if that was up to date based on what people have been posting