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i might be wrong, but wasn't the SAT created to predict high schoolers performance as college freshmen?

my sat predicted i'd have a D+ average
my average for semester 1 = A-

my friend who got a 2100/2400
predicted average A-
real average C+

the sat is comparable to a IQ test

i took the test on a day where everyone got below 2000
my friend took one that was writen easily and had a outstandingly easy reading and math section
thus she got a good score

the sat's are going to be removed in the next 20 years
 
My sis goes to Brown and you can choose which class you want to be displayed as Pass/Fail and which have a grade on them.

TBH I would choose all the class i KNOW i'm not that strong at to be P/F

And the ones I ace A/B/C etc format.

soooo, if I transfer to brown, can I change some of my other classes to P/F?

Hermione goes to brown. Brown the new Hogwartzzz!
 
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Look up your Schools avg GPA @ http://gradeinflation.com/

3.3 for UF in '06
 
Speaking of Emma Watson. She is friends with my sister. Well not friends but rather are in the same something or another. Anyways I went to visit my sis and she was there with her friends so I was like :O.

Shes cute.

So last week I touched Emma Watson, What did you do?
 
Avg gpa was 3.55 in '05

Apparently, students at Stanford have gotten over 1.0 better in GPA over the past 90 years! Students back then must have been total idiots if they were, on average, getting a 2.48. I sure I am glad Stanford has gotten its act together and students are now all getting 3.55s. It shows the school is obviously doing its job to ensure students do well. Either that, or students have truly become more intelligent. Either way, way to go Stanford! [/sarcasm]

The sad thing is that this is the case at so many schools. It's not just Brown or Stanford. It's across the board.
 
Speaking of Emma Watson. She is friends with my sister. Well not friends but rather are in the same something or another. Anyways I went to visit my sis and she was there with her friends so I was like :O.

Shes cute.

So last week I touched Emma Watson, What did you do?

So did you play it off like you didn't know who she was? I think I would and when she told me her name be like "Oh, are you the actor"

Did you ask her about this?
http://www.theweek.com/article/index/103918/The_Harry_Potter_sex_scene

Anyway its pretty cool you met her.
 
my sat predicted i'd have a D+ average
my average for semester 1 = A-

my friend who got a 2100/2400
predicted average A-
real average C+

the sat is comparable to a IQ test

i took the test on a day where everyone got below 2000
my friend took one that was writen easily and had a outstandingly easy reading and math section
thus she got a good score

the sat's are going to be removed in the next 20 years

The test measures the ability of a student to do well in college, not their motivation.

Speaking of Emma Watson. She is friends with my sister. Well not friends but rather are in the same something or another. Anyways I went to visit my sis and she was there with her friends so I was like :O.

Shes cute.

So last week I touched Emma Watson, What did you do?

I'm so jealous 🙁

*transfers*
 
The test measures the ability of a student to do well in college, not their motivation.



I'm so jealous 🙁

*transfers*

actually she studies more then me..
and in all the same classes..

the sat is just a iq test.. which only tests english comp and math
cuz in reality.. i rock the humanities.. and my english comp is well for someone who speaks 5 diff langs
but when it comes to the math she's better
so in reality it really is just a IQ test..
 
actually she studies more then me..
and in all the same classes..

the sat is just a iq test.. which only tests english comp and math
cuz in reality.. i rock the humanities.. and my english comp is well for someone who speaks 5 diff langs
but when it comes to the math she's better
so in reality it really is just a IQ test..

Your statement makes no sense. It's like you're trying to discredit the exam but in so doing are actually giving it more credit. It may also be the courses you are taking. Your English comprehension is probably fine but, TBH, your writing does sound like a second language. That may have hurt your SAT score somewhat on the writing portion and may have slowed you down on the reading comp as well. Overall, that may have given you a lower score than you would have otherwise earned. In college, you are able to take more time to study or compensate for difficulties in other ways that you could not do on a timed, standardized exam.
 
I have experienced both ends of the private-public university spectrum. The kids at Brown/any other prestigious institution would probably own at public universities. I used to go to a state school, and I recently transferred to an Ivy. Let me tell you: THE DIFFERENCE IS HUGE!

For one, I actually have to try super hard to get an A. Even if the class is curved to a B+, I have to work my ass off just to ensure I get above the median. When I was at my state school, I barely studied and I managed to get an A in every single class.

BTW, the average student at a prestigious university is more intelligent/hardworking than the average student at "random state school." It's the truth...
 
Your statement makes no sense. It's like you're trying to discredit the exam but in so doing are actually giving it more credit. It may also be the courses you are taking. Your English comprehension is probably fine but, TBH, your writing does sound like a second language. That may have hurt your SAT score somewhat on the writing portion and may have slowed you down on the reading comp as well. Overall, that may have given you a lower score than you would have otherwise earned. In college, you are able to take more time to study or compensate for difficulties in other ways that you could not do on a timed, standardized exam.

Sorry i didn't give it much mind to actually proofread my statement
What i was saying is that
you have 2 students in all the same classes, 1 with a lower sat preforming better then the other whom has a higher sat. That being said i also added that the person with a higher sat studies more then the person with a lower sat.
FYI... for college you can easily get through with a 5th graders comprehension of english. The reason i did badly on the english/writing/reading section of the sat is because half passages were mundane and incredibly boring. Hell my last one was written with a pre-schoolers understanding of zoology. The writing section is honestly horrible for the simple reason that modern English has multiple terms which suffice the requirements of making a sentence grammatically proper.

I believe you should study the Multiple Intelligence Theory. Its one of the principles of why tests like the Sat's prove to be useless in prospecting a persons abilities to preform in College.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_multiple_intelligences

btw.. do you understand me now 😀
 
I do. Thanks for clarifying.

I'm pretty well aware of the multiple intelligences theories (did a HS thesis on one of them). In reality, intelligence is far more difficult to define than any of those single theories would have you believe. One thing that seems to have a fair amount of support is a general intelligence factor (aka, G), found via factor analysis. Many intelligence tests are really trying to measure this "G" factor that seems to have influence upon performance in a variety of domains.

A 5th-grade reading level, btw, may "get you through" college but if you read a few posts back, I was actually surprised at how many students w/ that kind of a reading level and limited comprehension (likely low G values) seem to struggle in college. (Actually, I'm surprised we have them at a university. I was surprised to hear they existed, TBH. Lol, I would have expected such students to be remediated back in jr high or HS at the latest.)
 
I do. Thanks for clarifying.

I'm pretty well aware of the multiple intelligences theories (did a HS thesis on one of them). In reality, intelligence is far more difficult to define than any of those single theories would have you believe. One thing that seems to have a fair amount of support is a general intelligence factor (aka, G), found via factor analysis. Many intelligence tests are really trying to measure this "G" factor that seems to have influence upon performance in a variety of domains.

A 5th-grade reading level, btw, may "get you through" college but if you read a few posts back, I was actually surprised at how many students w/ that kind of a reading level and limited comprehension (likely low G values) seem to struggle in college. (Actually, I'm surprised we have them at a university. I was surprised to hear they existed, TBH. Lol, I would have expected such students to be remediated back in jr high or HS at the latest.)

well the thing is in college if your not a english major you'll take at most.. 3 english classes.. 2 comprehension and 1 lit. This lack of refinement with the fact that casual/daily english is completely distorted and has very little bases on formal english.
my chem teacher actually talked about how a german foreign exchange student came and took her class and while failing most english comprehension tests she still managed to out pre-form most people in chem.
of course thats a 1 in a million situation, having low english comprehension is a death warrant for most higher level classes.

and people with low english comp/low math comp are forced to take remedial classes which basically go over the basic foundations of the subject.
 
Hahahaha. Yeah. Right. Or they curve the piss out of all of their classes. 47% A's in physical science? That's not right.

even at my U which considered crappy by many, so many A's arent given out..lol maybe 25% A's but not 47%
 
yup.. this site totally made my hunt for transfer colleges so much more easier😀

So there are two conclusions one can draw from a university giving 50% A's.

1) Kids are getting smarter (arent the SAT/ACT scores relatively stable)

2) Grade inflation.


I'll take #2 for the win. I guess I should set up a poll to see what people on SDN think.:idea:
 
i cant say that kids arent getting smarter.. but people seeking college degree's is always getting higher..
back then a 2.5 could get you into medical school
now anything else then 3.5 is a maybe maybe situation.. and teacher know this, so some do help out the students with inflating grades/curving
 
I just get really irritated when there is grade inflation across different departments within the same school....say between science majors and education majors.
I know quite a few people with education majors that are around the 3.8-4.0 gpa marks but can't do basic math/understand "advanced" vocabulary.
My husband was a dual chemistry/education major before he dropped the ed and decided to pursue a PhD. Basically to get an A in many of his ed classes he just had to hand in his homework at some point in time.

I guess I am just one of those people who will always believe that GPA=/=intelligence or ability
 
I guess I am just one of those people who will always believe that GPA=/=intelligence or ability

I agree, most of the time GPA is only a measure of how much effort one put in.
 
So there are two conclusions one can draw from a university giving 50% A's.

1) Kids are getting smarter (arent the SAT/ACT scores relatively stable)

2) Grade inflation.


I'll take #2 for the win. I guess I should set up a poll to see what people on SDN think.:idea:

Actually, if SAT/ACT scores are stable it means the population taking the test is becoming less intelligent and/or less prepared from year to year! Due to a well-documented effect (the term escapes me), test scores tend to increase over time (i.e., over the life of a test, the mean score of test takers will rise such that the percentile rank of any given score will fall over time). As a result, if scores are staying the same from year to year, then we are actually seeing a loss of some attribute being measured by the test!


I just get really irritated when there is grade inflation across different departments within the same school....say between science majors and education majors.
I know quite a few people with education majors that are around the 3.8-4.0 gpa marks but can't do basic math/understand "advanced" vocabulary.
My husband was a dual chemistry/education major before he dropped the ed and decided to pursue a PhD. Basically to get an A in many of his ed classes he just had to hand in his homework at some point in time.

I guess I am just one of those people who will always believe that GPA=/=intelligence or ability

True, although at least where I've been, science majors generally only thought they had tougher work than other majors! (I've been on both sides of the fence, so I know what little science majors really have to do by comparison to other disciplines and how much some of them complain about their "heavy" courseloads vs. those of other students.)


I agree, most of the time GPA is only a measure of how much effort one put in.


Gotta disagree here. IME, the students w/ the highest GPA often did the "least" amount of work (i.e., they were most efficient). I have talked w/ B students who have literally spent days memorizing the book verbatim. They could rattle off 10-20x as much as I know about the subject matter, yet they will probably never achieve an A with their current way of doing things (not to say they cannot if they learn to learn the material but with their current approach it is highly improbable). They spend 10x (literally) the amount of time and effort working on things that I do, yet they do not understand what they are doing and, therefore, are unable to get the A. (I've watched that and, as a tutor, it's hard to figure out how to help them.) I really do not see much of a correlation between time spent and GPA achieved. Sure, if you spend absolutely no time studying, you're probably not going to do great despite your natural abilities; however, I have found that, at least for me, even if I don't do any studying beyond having attended most classes, I can usually still synthesize my way to a/the correct answer on most exams (ending up w/ an A) simply by using background knowledge and/or common sense. (How do you think many of the answers came about in the first place? Someone had to think up those terms and w/ some decent background, it's often not too difficult to predict how an experiment probably turned out if given a brief description of what was tested, for instance.) So, seeing as strong students are able to figure these things out without studying, I don't really think it has as much to do with study time as much as you suppose. While there is certainly a correlation, study time really relies upon aptitude in order to be effective. An approximation for GPA might look something like GPA=(K*M*I*S*A^2)/E where K is some constant, M is motivation (generalized), I is interest (per class), S is study time, A is aptitude, and E is emotional stressors.
 
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This is why they should all just go by percentage. It is much easier to make the claim that top 10% from Brown is better than top 10% from a medium ranked state university. They can try to related this to standardized test and their actual performance in med school (historical performance of students from certain school, with certain stats). However, with so much grade inflation is a 4.0 from Brown really better than a 4.0 from a medium ranked state university? (There are incredibly hard classes in my school were only 2% people gets A while most people fail).

The whole GPA system is so flawed compared to a percent ranking system. While adcom may try to adjust but they only know a few schools...there is just really now way for them to know if my school is "hard" or "easy"

Grade Inflation is good for those people who are in the school. For several reasons:

1. Adjustment by adcom is slow...and usually not as much as they should.
2. Some time it is not adjusted for inflation at all...or even adjust the wrong way.
3. Less stressful since if you got 4.0 you dont really have to try harder...
4. Most of the time you get benefit of the doubt! No one is going to just your 4.0 to a 3.6 even if getting 4.0 from your institution may be as easy as getting 3.6 from some hardcore state school. Conversely, if your school have grade deflation..you are pretty fked (especially if your school is not well known.
 
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