81 unfilled radiology spots this year

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Anyway, I just didn't see a need to be so critical of a person who is just doing her best to help applicants.

Like black-balling a school for the actions of one person.

I can take the grandiosity. I can take equating UT Houston with Penn. I can take the unrealistic expectations. Those are just silly.

But using the actions of ONE person to justify not interviewing any other applicants from that person's school the next year is megalomaniacal. How is that fair? How is that for the "best" of her applicants? Add on the fact that she bragged about it. Geez what kind of ridiculous ego trip do you have to be on to do that?
 
Like black-balling a school for the actions of one person.

I can take the grandiosity. I can take equating UT Houston with Penn. I can take the unrealistic expectations. Those are just silly.

But using the actions of ONE person to justify not interviewing any other applicants from that person's school the next year is megalomaniacal. How is that fair? How is that for the "best" of her applicants? Add on the fact that she bragged about it. Geez what kind of ridiculous ego trip do you have to be on to do that?
Yeah I agree, that's unprofessional and ridiculous. A good friend of mine cancelled a general surgery interview through email this year and didn't think anything of it when they didn't respond. The program coordinator missed his email and she and the program director called student affairs to threaten the same thing until he got it sorted out (still had to personally call and apologize to the coordinator, director and chairman when he did nothing wrong). Anyway I agree with you completely on that point and had forgotten about it.
 
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2014 Unfilled programs (Pre-Soap) per NRMP report:
* (star) Indicates the program went unfilled 2013 as well.

U South Alabama Hospitals: 3/5
Santa Barbara Cottage (CA): 2/4
Hartford Hospital-CT: 4/5
Mt Sinai Med Ctr-Miami-FL: 3/5
Emory: 13/16
*Medical College of Georgia: 3/4
Advocate IL Masonic: 1/3
*Presence Saint Francis IL (Evanston): 2/3
U Kansas SOM- Wichita: 1/3
U Louisville SOM-KY: 5/6
*LSUHSC Shreveport LA: 5/6 (or 3/4 unclear)
Ochsner Clinic LA: 3/5
Lahey Clinic: 3/5
Henry Ford: 7/9
Oakwood Hospital MI: 2/4
St Joseph Mercy Oakland MI: 3/4
*University Hosp Jackson MS: 2/5
*St Louis Univ: 4/6
University Hosp Columbia MO: 4/7
*Cooper NJ: 1/4
Morristown NJ: 3/5
*Rutgers R W Johnson NJ: 3/5
*St Barnabas NJ: 3/4
U New Mexico: 2/6
Einstein/Montefiore Med NY: 6/9
Maimonides Med NY: 1/4
*Nassau University NY: 2/4
*Rochester Gen Hospital: 3/4
Aultman Hospital / NEOMED: 3/4
MetroHealth CWRU: 4/5
*U Oklahoma COM:5/6
*Allegheny General: 5/7
*Temple University: 5/6
Baptist Mem Hospital TN: 4/5
U Tennessee Memphis: 4/6
Eastern VA Med Norfolk: 3/4
*West Virginia University: 3/4
Medical College of Wisconsin (MCW): 5/8
*Wheaton Franciscan St Joseph: 1/3
 
Wonder if that's accurate.

Emory didn't fill? Lol
 
A friend of mine didn't match ortho and soaped into radiology. She told me about the 3 unfilled spots at Emory last week. So weird. Maybe they didn't rank enough people?
 
Copy and Pasted from Aunt Minnie:


2014 Unfilled programs (Pre-Soap) per NRMP report:
* (star) Indicates the program went unfilled 2013 as well.

U South Alabama Hospitals: 3/5
Santa Barbara Cottage (CA): 2/4
Hartford Hospital-CT: 4/5
Mt Sinai Med Ctr-Miami-FL: 3/5
Emory: 13/16
*Medical College of Georgia: 3/4
Advocate IL Masonic: 1/3
*Presence Saint Francis IL (Evanston): 2/3
U Kansas SOM- Wichita: 1/3
U Louisville SOM-KY: 5/6
*LSUHSC Shreveport LA: 5/6 (or 3/4 unclear)
Ochsner Clinic LA: 3/5
Lahey Clinic: 3/5
Henry Ford: 7/9
Oakwood Hospital MI: 2/4
St Joseph Mercy Oakland MI: 3/4
*University Hosp Jackson MS: 2/5
*St Louis Univ: 4/6
University Hosp Columbia MO: 4/7
*Cooper NJ: 1/4
Morristown NJ: 3/5
*Rutgers R W Johnson NJ: 3/5
*St Barnabas NJ: 3/4
U New Mexico: 2/6
Einstein/Montefiore Med NY: 6/9
Maimonides Med NY: 1/4
*Nassau University NY: 2/4
*Rochester Gen Hospital: 3/4
Aultman Hospital / NEOMED: 3/4
MetroHealth CWRU: 4/5
*U Oklahoma COM:5/6
*Allegheny General: 5/7
*Temple University: 5/6
Baptist Mem Hospital TN: 4/5
U Tennessee Memphis: 4/6
Eastern VA Med Norfolk: 3/4
*West Virginia University: 3/4
Medical College of Wisconsin (MCW): 5/8
*Wheaton Franciscan St Joseph: 1/3

Thanks for posting the list, looks like the person who posted on auntminnie already took it down.
 
Very surprised Emory did not fill. Does anyone know if they really had open spots or just decided to decrease size mid-season. There was an article a few weeks ago on AM about how the Emory directors were proponents of decreasing spots nationally.
 
Someone on auntminnie who interviewed at Emory this season said they were told at the interview that the # of spots was decreasing to 13. I wouldn't count on Emory having gone unintentionally unfilled.

Then again, another person said they interviewed there and weren't told that. Of course, they could have decided in the middle of interview season, maybe somebody here knows more.
 
I agree that the Emory thing is weird.

UT-Memphis is also odd considering that there were ~25 med students from there on the trail this year...according to one I met. Odd that a program that generates that many rads applicants would not fill.

The last one that really surprised me was UNM only filling 2/6. There seemed to be some good chatter about that program on AM.
 
When is a program's deadline to notify the NRMP of the number of slots? I don't think there is a way to intentionally not fill all your slots.

Either way I think in Emory's case it was either 1. At typo by the NRMP when it said 13/16 or 2. Emory just flat out didn't fill. I believe the latter.
 
It wasn't a typo. Even if a program withdraws spots from the match (due to restructuring or GME funding falling through) they still are listed in the SOAP.

If a program had an asterisk next to its ID number then it wasn't SOAPable. Not all 81 of the spots listed above were actually open spots. I bet whoever copied that list didn't read what the asterisk actually meant when he put it next to the programs on that list.
 
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Someone on auntminnie who interviewed at Emory this season said they were told at the interview that the # of spots was decreasing to 13. I wouldn't count on Emory having gone unintentionally unfilled.

Then again, another person said they interviewed there and weren't told that. Of course, they could have decided in the middle of interview season, maybe somebody here knows more.

How does that happen? Do they only rank 13 of 16 spots?
 
Really surprised at Montefiore.

Don't know why it was the only NYC academic program to have issues, only NYC community program was Maimo.

Seemed like a decent place when I applied, anyone know what happened? Some big red flag (aside from the Bronx) or just hubris?
 
Really surprised at Montefiore.

Don't know why it was the only NYC academic program to have issues, only NYC community program was Maimo.

Seemed like a decent place when I applied, anyone know what happened? Some big red flag (aside from the Bronx) or just hubris?
I'm with you, really surprised by Monte AND Maimonides
 
Are any of those programs actually good?

Wvu is my home institution. I can say that, while you'll never see it on any tier list, the faculty are all very good and involved in resident education. They PD is outgoing and will have your back at every turn. I would have ranked them a lot higher, as I think it's a quality program, but I despise Morgantown. As fate would have it, I'm back there next year for my TY. DAMN YOU, NRMP GODS!

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A friend of mine didn't match ortho and soaped into radiology. She told me about the 3 unfilled spots at Emory last week. So weird. Maybe they didn't rank enough people?

I didn't even get an interview invite there... :-\

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I know someone who INTERVIEWED at one of the programs that went unfilled. He has excellent scores... but may be considered slightly eccentric, certainly not over the top though. Anyways, he didn't match into the program.

So some of these places are obviously not including enough people on their rank list.
 
I interviewed at Emory and ranked it pretty low, which is not to say that I didn't think I would've gotten good training there. In truth, I got weird vibes from some of the faculty there and the program felt too big for me (in terms of hospitals/imaging centers covered, not necessarily # of residents). I can see how some would view the variety of experience as an advantage, but for me it would just get irritating having to commute to different locations after a while...especially in Atlanta traffic.
 
The Auntminnie explanation for Emory being on the list makes wayyyyy more sense than Emory not filling. Emory is essentially a top 30 program. C'mon people, common sense.
 
Agreed about above poster regarding Montefiore. I am incredibly surprised it did not fill. It is considered one of the top 5 programs in NYC: NYU, Cornell, Columbia, Mt. Sinai, and Monte. Of these I think NYU takes the cake followed by the other 4. I interviewed at Monte and felt it was a great program. I know 2 people who matched into Monte who are excellent candidates. I am shocked.

Also, given the sheer volume of schools and students in the NYC area (along with the hundreds more wanting to come to NYC), I'm surprised that not only did Monte not fill...it wasn't even close! 3 open spots out of 9...
 
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It wasn't a typo. Even if a program withdraws spots from the match (due to restructuring or GME funding falling through) they still are listed in the SOAP.

If a program had an asterisk next to its ID number then it wasn't SOAPable. Not all 81 of the spots listed above were actually open spots. I bet whoever copied that list didn't read what the asterisk actually meant when he put it next to the programs on that list.

The original AM poster put asterisks beside programs who also did not fill last year.
 
I interviewed at Emory and ranked it pretty low, which is not to say that I didn't think I would've gotten good training there. In truth, I got weird vibes from some of the faculty there and the program felt too big for me (in terms of hospitals/imaging centers covered, not necessarily # of residents). I can see how some would view the variety of experience as an advantage, but for me it would just get irritating having to commute to different locations after a while...especially in Atlanta traffic.

I ranked it really low for the same reasons. Atlanta traffic sucks bad.
 
Copy and Pasted from Aunt Minnie:


2014 Unfilled programs (Pre-Soap) per NRMP report:
* (star) Indicates the program went unfilled 2013 as well.

U South Alabama Hospitals: 3/5
Santa Barbara Cottage (CA): 2/4
Hartford Hospital-CT: 4/5
Mt Sinai Med Ctr-Miami-FL: 3/5
Emory: 13/16
*Medical College of Georgia: 3/4
Advocate IL Masonic: 1/3
*Presence Saint Francis IL (Evanston): 2/3
U Kansas SOM- Wichita: 1/3
U Louisville SOM-KY: 5/6
*LSUHSC Shreveport LA: 5/6 (or 3/4 unclear)
Ochsner Clinic LA: 3/5
Lahey Clinic: 3/5
Henry Ford: 7/9
Oakwood Hospital MI: 2/4
St Joseph Mercy Oakland MI: 3/4
*University Hosp Jackson MS: 2/5
*St Louis Univ: 4/6
University Hosp Columbia MO: 4/7
*Cooper NJ: 1/4
Morristown NJ: 3/5
*Rutgers R W Johnson NJ: 3/5
*St Barnabas NJ: 3/4
U New Mexico: 2/6
Einstein/Montefiore Med NY: 6/9
Maimonides Med NY: 1/4
*Nassau University NY: 2/4
*Rochester Gen Hospital: 3/4
Aultman Hospital / NEOMED: 3/4
MetroHealth CWRU: 4/5
*U Oklahoma COM:5/6
*Allegheny General: 5/7
*Temple University: 5/6
Baptist Mem Hospital TN: 4/5
U Tennessee Memphis: 4/6
Eastern VA Med Norfolk: 3/4
*West Virginia University: 3/4
Medical College of Wisconsin (MCW): 5/8
*Wheaton Franciscan St Joseph: 1/3


What is really depressing is that 3 of those programs I applied to last year filled when I did not match. I seriously chose the wrong year to apply if I wanted to match.
 
What is really depressing is that 3 of those programs I applied to last year filled when I did not match. I seriously chose the wrong year to apply if I wanted to match.

Not to be a buzzkill, but just because a program doesn't fill doesn't mean you would have matched.

Most of the better programs on that list did not rank everyone they interviewed.
 
I'm still surprised MCW didn't match. I didn't apply there but I always thought of it as a solid mid tier place.
 
I'm still surprised MCW didn't match. I didn't apply there but I always thought of it as a solid mid tier place.
Wonder if it is due to the "sky is falling" predictions.
 
I met a resident from a top tier program who wasn't sure whether or not he would be able to find a job in his city next year. He told me that he should have done derm instead.

That's basically the norm nowadays. Pay still sounds solid, but some of our fellows are going to some pretty middle of nowhere places after striking out in our local metro area
 
Not to be a buzzkill, but just because a program doesn't fill doesn't mean you would have matched.

Most of the better programs on that list did not rank everyone they interviewed.

Granted, I am assuming that all the programs I interview at actually rank me. I was referring to "lower" tier programs like USA, EVMS and Mt Sinai Miami. All 3 filled last year, but did not fill the year before last.
 
I met a resident from a top tier program who wasn't sure whether or not he would be able to find a job in his city next year. He told me that he should have done derm instead.

Sounds like this resident picked radiology for the wrong reasons.
 
Not being able to find a job without going to the boonies is a real concern.

Not finding a job in his desired area does not necessarily mean he has to go to the boonies.

Plus, having grown up in the boonies, I can tell you, they're not so bad. Our 2-teeth women can look just as pretty in the moonlight.
 
Not finding a job in his desired area does not necessarily mean he has to go to the boonies.

Plus, having grown up in the boonies, I can tell you, they're not so bad. Our 2-teeth women can look just as pretty in the moonlight.

On SDN, the boonies is anywhere except New York, Boston, Chicago, LA, Seattle, Portland, SF, or San Diego.
 
On SDN, the boonies is anywhere except New York, Boston, Chicago, LA, Seattle, Portland, SF, or San Diego.


I would say the reality is somewhere between this statement and the statements that "there are no jobs anywhere".

It's not like everyone is settling for jobs in Houston, St. Louis, or Milwaukee.

I know people who are begging jobs in Detroit (unsuccessfully)

There are jobs, even some in ideal locations. But I guarantee you all would think long and hard about moving to some of the places the current fellows are going
 
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The market for most fields in large Metro areas are bad to very bad. Some fields are doing better. There is also a lot of changes over time. If a field is very good now, there is not guarantee that it will stay good once you finish fellowship. If you want a guaranteed job in a large metropolitan areas there are your five options:

1-Choose your desirable field. But be ready to get a pay cut. Even when the market was booming, the salaries in the boonies were much higher. If you are OK to have a huge pay cut, even now you can find a job almost everywhere.

2- Choose you desirable field. But be ready to do the scut work. over time you may be able to get out of it. For radiology it means working as nighhawk of a group or doing mammo or (may be IR) that most don't want to do.

3- Choose primary care fields or ED: Many specialties have gone through ups and downs in the past. But PCP, internist, OB, Peds and some other fields were always in high demand. Pretty much you can get job everywhere. Obviously the salary in boonies is higher, but not as much as specialists.

4- Choose the field that you like and be a super star. If you have 40 publications and multiple grants you can pretty much choose the department that you like to work at.

5- Avoid medicine: If you want a nice life during your 20s or probably the rest of your life, medicine should not be your choice.
 
I would say the reality is somewhere between this statement and the statements that "there are no jobs anywhere".

It's not like everyone is settling for jobs in Houston, St. Louis, or Milwaukee.

I know people who are begging jobs in Detroit (unsuccessfully)

There are jobs, even some in ideal locations. But I guarantee you all would think long and hard about moving to some of the places the current fellows are going


There is a big problem with not being local. There are jobs available in Detroit. But groups don't offer them to everybody. A nightmare for a group is to hire someone and he leaves the job in one year or even 2 years. Hiring someone is difficult and expensive. This is a problem that you will face once you are looking for a job. Let's say you are from Houston and did all your training in Houston. If you can not find a job in Texas, then groups in Michigan think twice before offering you a job.

The market is tight, but you can find a job within 2 hours of most big cities. However, IMO, there is no point in living 2 hours away unless you have a very strong ties to the area.
 
I would say the reality is somewhere between this statement and the statements that "there are no jobs anywhere".

It's not like everyone is settling for jobs in Houston, St. Louis, or Milwaukee.

I know people who are begging jobs in Detroit (unsuccessfully)

There are jobs, even some in ideal locations. But I guarantee you all would think long and hard about moving to some of the places the current fellows are going
What do you consider the boonies? Name some larger population centers under that classification.
 
5- Avoid medicine: If you want a nice life during your 20s or probably the rest of your life, medicine should not be your choice.


Lol. I think you need a new outlook on life.
 
I would say the reality is somewhere between this statement and the statements that "there are no jobs anywhere".

It's not like everyone is settling for jobs in Houston, St. Louis, or Milwaukee.

I know people who are begging jobs in Detroit (unsuccessfully)

There are jobs, even some in ideal locations. But I guarantee you all would think long and hard about moving to some of the places the current fellows are going


What exactly are we talking here? Rural Tennessee where you have to live 30 minutes outside of Memphis and commute 20 minutes to work in the middle of no where? Or rural West Virginia where you literally are surrounded by the middle of no where?

Not to say there is anything wrong with any of these places... but if you're a city person, you're a city person. And vice-versa.
 
Lol. I think you need a new outlook on life.

Ha, I tend to agree. My buddies working at multiple crappy jobs after college sure are glad they dodged the med school bullet.
 
What exactly are we talking here? Rural Tennessee where you have to live 30 minutes outside of Memphis and commute 20 minutes to work in the middle of no where? Or rural West Virginia where you literally are surrounded by the middle of no where?

Not to say there is anything wrong with any of these places... but if you're a city person, you're a city person. And vice-versa.

I'm talking <100k population town, 2.5 hours to the closest metro area. I know two fellows who took jobs like this out of desperation, and they're both "city people" who are praying they'll be able to find a better location for employment within 1-2 years
 
I'm talking <100k population town, 2.5 hours to the closest metro area. I know two fellows who took jobs like this out of desperation, and they're both "city people" who are praying they'll be able to find a better location for employment within 1-2 years

A lot of groups in large cities prefer to hire radiologists who have been in practice for a few years. Right out of training many radiologists are not fast and efficient enough. Also many are not confident enough to run the service on their own. The unfortunate part is that with more subspecialization in academic centers and glut of fellows, a lot of new trainees are only good at doing certain modalities. Examples include many procedures even as simple as thyroid biopsies, mammo, OB, MSK or body MRI or in general running the MR scanner. I understand that nobody can be good at all of these, but unfortunately many pp groups are still generalists with subspecialization. At least every group is general during weekends, nights and evenings.

I recommend you to take a job even if it is not in your desirable location. Then look very closely to the area of your interest. Just make sure that you keep all your skills fresh as you don't know what will be the requirements of the new group.

The market is tight, but finding a skillful comprehensive radiologist is not also easy. This is the reason that some groups look for two fellowships under your belt or look for a few years of practice experience.
 
Hey guys,

I think Radiology is still competitive, it's just that their match strategy has changed. The reason I say this is because the competitive residencies (such as Radiology) are now waiting for people who failed to match at the super competitive specialties to fill in their spots.

I was taken in 1st round by a great rads program during the SOAP after getting interviewed by 12 of the 20 Rads programs I applied to during SOAP and it was evident that they were expecting people like me.

As a Urology applicant who failed to match this year, I can tell you the competition was FIERCE for Uro. I had 20+ interviews (13 to the top 30 and 10 in the mid tier) and I didn't get in. My stats and CV were decent 255+ on steps, 5 pubs, 5 abstracts, 5 posters with national awards (first author on 50% of the research pubs, all Urology). There were many others in my situation who basically got unlucky. By the way, the actual match rate was closer to 48%, the 60% is for those who got ranked. Truly a deathmatch. Even so, many rads programs I interviewed at told me that they would rank me in their top 5, meaning to me that there were many well qualified people and radiology program directors were prepared for people like us to trickle through.

That being said, radiology is a great field and I am very fortunate to have landed into it. The outlook for DR is not good, and it will most likely never recover, but the fact is Interventional Radiology is becoming more vogue as we progress through this era of minimally invasive operations. Most surgical specialties have gravitated towards the davinci to enhance their minimally invasive appeal to patients and IR stands upon the apex of this movement. I think as long as the fellowships for radiology remain in high demand the field will continue to recruit excellent people. That's my 2 cents.
 
Hey guys,

I think Radiology is still competitive, it's just that their match strategy has changed. The reason I say this is because the competitive residencies (such as Radiology) are now waiting for people who failed to match at the super competitive specialties to fill in their spots.

I was taken in 1st round by a great rads program during the SOAP after getting interviewed by 12 of the 20 Rads programs I applied to during SOAP and it was evident that they were expecting people like me.

As a Urology applicant who failed to match this year, I can tell you the competition was FIERCE for Uro. I had 20+ interviews (13 to the top 30 and 10 in the mid tier) and I didn't get in. My stats and CV were decent 255+ on steps, 5 pubs, 5 abstracts, 5 posters with national awards (first author on 50% of the research pubs, all Urology). There were many others in my situation who basically got unlucky. By the way, the actual match rate was closer to 48%, the 60% is for those who got ranked. Truly a deathmatch. Even so, many rads programs I interviewed at told me that they would rank me in their top 5, meaning to me that there were many well qualified people and radiology program directors were prepared for people like us to trickle through.

That being said, radiology is a great field and I am very fortunate to have landed into it. The outlook for DR is not good, and it will most likely never recover, but the fact is Interventional Radiology is becoming more vogue as we progress through this era of minimally invasive operations. Most surgical specialties have gravitated towards the davinci to enhance their minimally invasive appeal to patients and IR stands upon the apex of this movement. I think as long as the fellowships for radiology remain in high demand the field will continue to recruit excellent people. That's my 2 cents.


We are very lucky to have you through light on the future of our field. A former-urology-lover who found IR great just one month ago. I love how in 20 days you have become an expert in predicting the future of DR, while all of my colleagues who have been in this business for 40 years are still uncertain.

I don't see ANYTHING similar between these two fields. Good luck. BTW, have you ever done any radiology or IR rotations?
 
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