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As many of you have come to realize, I generally don't waste my precious free time with this forum anymore. Past transgressions aside, I just have more valuable and important things to do in my life in the real world. That said, I felt compelled to share this story with you.

Since I was a fairly active, regularly-posting, and often brusque poster on this forum who was essentially "forced into exile", I have made partner in my firm. I am board-certified and actively practicing. I have achieved the "good life", so to speak. So, I share this story with you up-and-coming young bucks (and buckettes) to underscore the importance of your track record. You have started developing this, tending to it and pruning it like a rare orchid, and realize that you are now creating an image that will follow you long after you finish residency.

Me? I was (and am) an outspoken and occasionally controversial figure even in the real world. What I have, though, is a solid track record of providing expert care in a variety of difficult situations. Even now, I am seen as the "go to" guy that can get the job done in a tough case. As such, my blessing (or maybe it's a curse) is that I'm given the challenging cases that others may not be able to handle as deftly. My reputation is being somewhat tough and brutally honest, but I am respected for that.

So, what's my tale?

I want to tell you a story about a co-resident in my class. Let's call him "Roger".

Roger, much like myself, was an outspoken guy during residency. He tended to speak his mind but often didn't know when to back down, especially when he was right but even when he was wrong. Unlike myself, he didn't appreciate or have the knack to know when he was cornered and found himself in a "no-win" situation. Likewise, he often skipped meetings and didn't necessarily take the educational part of our residency program seriously. He was unwilling to take direction, and often left the impression that he only wanted to march to the beat of his own drum instead of being a team player. He fought openly with certain attendings instead of learning how to effectively manage his way around them. He frequently insulted people openly in a sarcastic and mocking way... other residents, attending anesthesiologists, and even some surgeons. He had a lot of personality conflicts with people he didn't like, and made no bones about it.

Now, Roger was a "good" resident technically. Not great. Certainly not as good as he thought he was. But, this arrogance was palpable and real and ever-present in the way he interacted with everyone. Very funny guy, though, provided you weren't the target of his acerbic tongue. Roger always knew better, though, than to direct his ire at me.

Why is Roger's story important? A few months ago I got a call from another colleague from residency who is practicing in another state. He relayed to me that he'd previously spoken to Roger, who was actively looking for another job. What was most ironic about his call is that Roger had frequently made fun of this colleague, and they'd even had a run-in that resulted in a sit-down in the Program Director's office.

Turns out that Roger had not done quite so well in his first gig in private practice, in spite of jumping through the board-certification hoops without a hitch. Seems that much of the crap that he pulled as a resident had apparently segued nicely into his junior attending job. As such, he was being passed-up for partnership. At least, this is what I surmise (recognizing that he simply may have fell victim to what a lot of junior attendings in their first job befall, namely being worked to death without the real promise of ever becoming partner).

The reasons for his change in practice situation are, although, somewhat beside the point.

Needless to say, this colleague of mine was in no position to offer him the opportunity to pursue employment in his firm. His reputation had preceded him. So, it was no small irony that about two weeks later my office also got a call from Roger (I wasn't available to talk when he called). Do you think I returned that call?

This was a few months ago. I spoke to my residency colleague over the weekend. As of July 7th, Roger has been out of work and still looking for a job.

It's one thing to be a loud a-hole sometimes. It's another to be one ALL the time. And, fact is, you will probably rely on your connections and the people you've met and interacted with during your career in the future. You may depend on these people to gain future employment even.

Guard your reputation carefully. If you are great at what you do and are dependable, you will probably be able to get away with more "bad attitude" than others. Still, if you garner and foster the reputation of being the "angry clown", you will reap what you sew.

Don't be Roger.

-copro
 
So your insight, which is so remarkable and precious that you broke your self-imposed SDN "exile" to slum the gas forum again, is don't be an obnoxious blowhard with mediocre skills because people might not like you and offer you employment?



Welcome back, I guess.
 
Oh thank you great and mighty Copro for bestowing upon us mere mortals such sage words! How shall we ever thank you? Wait, I know....just having you grace us with your presence is reward enough! Jag off....
 
How have you been, Roger?

God you're narcissistic. Or is it cluster b?
 
You might be reading too much into it. Roger probably thought Obama was an brilliant genius. More reasonable men saw this as a total lack of judgement and didn't offer Roger employment. Simple as that.
 
As many of you have come to realize, I generally don't waste my precious free time with this forum anymore. Past transgressions aside, I just have more valuable and important things to do in my life in the real world. That said, I felt compelled to share this story with you.

Since I was a fairly active, regularly-posting, and often brusque poster on this forum who was essentially "forced into exile", I have made partner in my firm. I am board-certified and actively practicing. I have achieved the "good life", so to speak. So, I share this story with you up-and-coming young bucks (and buckettes) to underscore the importance of your track record. You have started developing this, tending to it and pruning it like a rare orchid, and realize that you are now creating an image that will follow you long after you finish residency.

Me? I was (and am) an outspoken and occasionally controversial figure even in the real world. What I have, though, is a solid track record of providing expert care in a variety of difficult situations. Even now, I am seen as the "go to" guy that can get the job done in a tough case. As such, my blessing (or maybe it's a curse) is that I'm given the challenging cases that others may not be able to handle as deftly. My reputation is being somewhat tough and brutally honest, but I am respected for that.

So, what's my tale?

I want to tell you a story about a co-resident in my class. Let's call him "Roger".

Roger, much like myself, was an outspoken guy during residency. He tended to speak his mind but often didn't know when to back down, especially when he was right but even when he was wrong. Unlike myself, he didn't appreciate or have the knack to know when he was cornered and found himself in a "no-win" situation. Likewise, he often skipped meetings and didn't necessarily take the educational part of our residency program seriously. He was unwilling to take direction, and often left the impression that he only wanted to march to the beat of his own drum instead of being a team player. He fought openly with certain attendings instead of learning how to effectively manage his way around them. He frequently insulted people openly in a sarcastic and mocking way... other residents, attending anesthesiologists, and even some surgeons. He had a lot of personality conflicts with people he didn't like, and made no bones about it.

Now, Roger was a "good" resident technically. Not great. Certainly not as good as he thought he was. But, this arrogance was palpable and real and ever-present in the way he interacted with everyone. Very funny guy, though, provided you weren't the target of his acerbic tongue. Roger always knew better, though, than to direct his ire at me.

Why is Roger's story important? A few months ago I got a call from another colleague from residency who is practicing in another state. He relayed to me that he'd previously spoken to Roger, who was actively looking for another job. What was most ironic about his call is that Roger had frequently made fun of this colleague, and they'd even had a run-in that resulted in a sit-down in the Program Director's office.

Turns out that Roger had not done quite so well in his first gig in private practice, in spite of jumping through the board-certification hoops without a hitch. Seems that much of the crap that he pulled as a resident had apparently segued nicely into his junior attending job. As such, he was being passed-up for partnership. At least, this is what I surmise (recognizing that he simply may have fell victim to what a lot of junior attendings in their first job befall, namely being worked to death without the real promise of ever becoming partner).

The reasons for his change in practice situation are, although, somewhat beside the point.

Needless to say, this colleague of mine was in no position to offer him the opportunity to pursue employment in his firm. His reputation had preceded him. So, it was no small irony that about two weeks later my office also got a call from Roger (I wasn't available to talk when he called). Do you think I returned that call?

This was a few months ago. I spoke to my residency colleague over the weekend. As of July 7th, Roger has been out of work and still looking for a job.

It's one thing to be a loud a-hole sometimes. It's another to be one ALL the time. And, fact is, you will probably rely on your connections and the people you've met and interacted with during your career in the future. You may depend on these people to gain future employment even.

Guard your reputation carefully. If you are great at what you do and are dependable, you will probably be able to get away with more "bad attitude" than others. Still, if you garner and foster the reputation of being the "angry clown", you will reap what you sew.

Don't be Roger.

-copro

I remember an eloquently spoken Copro from back in the day, wielding enough of THE FORCE to be credible, yet able to express enough personality WITH A LITTLE THUG

to keep readers enamored.

This post doesn't resemble what I recall of the eloquence from past.

This is a

FU CK YOU

post.

Save it, man.

Maybe

THINGS IN YOUR LIFE AREN'T AS ROSY AS YOU PORTRAY.
 
:laugh:
The gang's all here. Is mil lurking as well?

I wish he was.

MIL, NOY, UT.

The

Three Stooges

missing here.

Mil with his never-ending challenges, which he could pull off, since five years from now I will have mastered HALF of what that dude

FORGOT

Last week.



NOY....

Dude makes his benjamins as an anesthesiologist but...

seriously....

if you met the dude you'd think he was a

ROKKSTAR.

I could bore you with description. Take my word for it. If you are OCD, search my posts.

UT SOUTHWESTERN:

What comes to mind is the

CONSUMATE PROFESSIONAL.

The DUDE who is able to,

KNOWING HE IS RIGHT,

look the other way, yet in the same instance,

Send a message.

That you might not wanna hear.


Eloquently.

There it stands. The Homies I miss on this forum. Mil, Noy, UT, in no particular order. Wishing you dudes

WOULD

REENGAGE.

[/B]

The O.P.?

Insignificant compared to

YOU THREE.


The truth hurts sometimes.
 
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As many of you have come to realize, I generally don't waste my precious free time with this forum anymore. Past transgressions aside, I just have more valuable and important things to do in my life in the real world. That said, I felt compelled to share this story with you.

Since I was a fairly active, regularly-posting, and often brusque poster on this forum who was essentially "forced into exile", I have made partner in my firm. I am board-certified and actively practicing. I have achieved the "good life", so to speak. So, I share this story with you up-and-coming young bucks (and buckettes) to underscore the importance of your track record. You have started developing this, tending to it and pruning it like a rare orchid, and realize that you are now creating an image that will follow you long after you finish residency.

Me? I was (and am) an outspoken and occasionally controversial figure even in the real world. What I have, though, is a solid track record of providing expert care in a variety of difficult situations. Even now, I am seen as the "go to" guy that can get the job done in a tough case. As such, my blessing (or maybe it's a curse) is that I'm given the challenging cases that others may not be able to handle as deftly. My reputation is being somewhat tough and brutally honest, but I am respected for that.

So, what's my tale?

I want to tell you a story about a co-resident in my class. Let's call him "Roger".

Roger, much like myself, was an outspoken guy during residency. He tended to speak his mind but often didn't know when to back down, especially when he was right but even when he was wrong. Unlike myself, he didn't appreciate or have the knack to know when he was cornered and found himself in a "no-win" situation. Likewise, he often skipped meetings and didn't necessarily take the educational part of our residency program seriously. He was unwilling to take direction, and often left the impression that he only wanted to march to the beat of his own drum instead of being a team player. He fought openly with certain attendings instead of learning how to effectively manage his way around them. He frequently insulted people openly in a sarcastic and mocking way... other residents, attending anesthesiologists, and even some surgeons. He had a lot of personality conflicts with people he didn't like, and made no bones about it.

Now, Roger was a "good" resident technically. Not great. Certainly not as good as he thought he was. But, this arrogance was palpable and real and ever-present in the way he interacted with everyone. Very funny guy, though, provided you weren't the target of his acerbic tongue. Roger always knew better, though, than to direct his ire at me.

Why is Roger's story important? A few months ago I got a call from another colleague from residency who is practicing in another state. He relayed to me that he'd previously spoken to Roger, who was actively looking for another job. What was most ironic about his call is that Roger had frequently made fun of this colleague, and they'd even had a run-in that resulted in a sit-down in the Program Director's office.

Turns out that Roger had not done quite so well in his first gig in private practice, in spite of jumping through the board-certification hoops without a hitch. Seems that much of the crap that he pulled as a resident had apparently segued nicely into his junior attending job. As such, he was being passed-up for partnership. At least, this is what I surmise (recognizing that he simply may have fell victim to what a lot of junior attendings in their first job befall, namely being worked to death without the real promise of ever becoming partner).

The reasons for his change in practice situation are, although, somewhat beside the point.

Needless to say, this colleague of mine was in no position to offer him the opportunity to pursue employment in his firm. His reputation had preceded him. So, it was no small irony that about two weeks later my office also got a call from Roger (I wasn't available to talk when he called). Do you think I returned that call?

This was a few months ago. I spoke to my residency colleague over the weekend. As of July 7th, Roger has been out of work and still looking for a job.

It's one thing to be a loud a-hole sometimes. It's another to be one ALL the time. And, fact is, you will probably rely on your connections and the people you've met and interacted with during your career in the future. You may depend on these people to gain future employment even.

Guard your reputation carefully. If you are great at what you do and are dependable, you will probably be able to get away with more "bad attitude" than others. Still, if you garner and foster the reputation of being the "angry clown", you will reap what you sew.

Don't be Roger.

-copro

Congrats on partnership. Welcome to the real world. Your next decision is how much do you care about having a leadership role in your group and climbing the medical/political/social ladder. Being good worker and a strong clinician just gets you in the game. If you can keep your "filters" engaged, you can move up that ladder too.
 
I wish he was.

MIL, NOY, UT.

The

Three Stooges

missing here.

Mil with his never-ending challenges, which he could pull off, since five years from now I will have mastered HALF of what that dude

FORGOT

Last week.



NOY....

Dude makes his benjamins as an anesthesiologist but...

seriously....

if you met the dude you'd think he was a

ROKKSTAR.

I could bore you with description. Take my word for it. If you are OCD, search my posts.

UT SOUTHWESTERN:

What comes to mind is the

CONSUMATE PROFESSIONAL.

The DUDE who is able to,

KNOWING HE IS RIGHT,

look the other way, yet in the same instance,

Send a message.

That you might not wanna hear.


Eloquently.

There it stands. The Homies I miss on this forum. Mil, Noy, UT, in no particular order. Wishing you €£cksucker$

WOULD

REENGAGE.

[/B]

The O.P.?

Insignificant compared to

YOU THREE.


The truth hurts sometimes.

Dude, I'm still here. Wrapping my brain around a couple of giant projects. Once just got funded, one is in its infancy but will rock the medical world.
 
As many of you have come to realize, I generally don't waste my precious free time with this forum anymore. Past transgressions aside, I just have more valuable and important things to do in my life in the real world. That said, I felt compelled to share this story with you.

Since I was a fairly active, regularly-posting, and often brusque poster on this forum who was essentially "forced into exile", I have made partner in my firm. I am board-certified and actively practicing. I have achieved the "good life", so to speak. So, I share this story with you up-and-coming young bucks (and buckettes) to underscore the importance of your track record. You have started developing this, tending to it and pruning it like a rare orchid, and realize that you are now creating an image that will follow you long after you finish residency.

Me? I was (and am) an outspoken and occasionally controversial figure even in the real world. What I have, though, is a solid track record of providing expert care in a variety of difficult situations. Even now, I am seen as the "go to" guy that can get the job done in a tough case. As such, my blessing (or maybe it's a curse) is that I'm given the challenging cases that others may not be able to handle as deftly. My reputation is being somewhat tough and brutally honest, but I am respected for that.

So, what's my tale?

I want to tell you a story about a co-resident in my class. Let's call him "Roger".

Roger, much like myself, was an outspoken guy during residency. He tended to speak his mind but often didn't know when to back down, especially when he was right but even when he was wrong. Unlike myself, he didn't appreciate or have the knack to know when he was cornered and found himself in a "no-win" situation. Likewise, he often skipped meetings and didn't necessarily take the educational part of our residency program seriously. He was unwilling to take direction, and often left the impression that he only wanted to march to the beat of his own drum instead of being a team player. He fought openly with certain attendings instead of learning how to effectively manage his way around them. He frequently insulted people openly in a sarcastic and mocking way... other residents, attending anesthesiologists, and even some surgeons. He had a lot of personality conflicts with people he didn't like, and made no bones about it.

Now, Roger was a "good" resident technically. Not great. Certainly not as good as he thought he was. But, this arrogance was palpable and real and ever-present in the way he interacted with everyone. Very funny guy, though, provided you weren't the target of his acerbic tongue. Roger always knew better, though, than to direct his ire at me.

Why is Roger's story important? A few months ago I got a call from another colleague from residency who is practicing in another state. He relayed to me that he'd previously spoken to Roger, who was actively looking for another job. What was most ironic about his call is that Roger had frequently made fun of this colleague, and they'd even had a run-in that resulted in a sit-down in the Program Director's office.

Turns out that Roger had not done quite so well in his first gig in private practice, in spite of jumping through the board-certification hoops without a hitch. Seems that much of the crap that he pulled as a resident had apparently segued nicely into his junior attending job. As such, he was being passed-up for partnership. At least, this is what I surmise (recognizing that he simply may have fell victim to what a lot of junior attendings in their first job befall, namely being worked to death without the real promise of ever becoming partner).

The reasons for his change in practice situation are, although, somewhat beside the point.

Needless to say, this colleague of mine was in no position to offer him the opportunity to pursue employment in his firm. His reputation had preceded him. So, it was no small irony that about two weeks later my office also got a call from Roger (I wasn't available to talk when he called). Do you think I returned that call?

This was a few months ago. I spoke to my residency colleague over the weekend. As of July 7th, Roger has been out of work and still looking for a job.

It's one thing to be a loud a-hole sometimes. It's another to be one ALL the time. And, fact is, you will probably rely on your connections and the people you've met and interacted with during your career in the future. You may depend on these people to gain future employment even.

Guard your reputation carefully. If you are great at what you do and are dependable, you will probably be able to get away with more "bad attitude" than others. Still, if you garner and foster the reputation of being the "angry clown", you will reap what you sew.

Don't be Roger.

-copro

All of your narcissism aside, I think your intentions might be good... but your reputation precedes you. I hope you, being brutally honest, told him why he was being turned away by colleagues.
 
As such, he was being passed-up for partnership. At least, this is what I surmise (recognizing that he simply may have fell victim to what a lot of junior attendings in their first job befall, namely being worked to death without the real promise of ever becoming partner).

I won't insult or comment on you personally...

But I will say that the moral of your story, and your out-and-out condemnation of your former colleague, is based entirely on an assumption.

So, y'know...awesome.
 
Did Noyac ever mention/give reason why he left this forum? Or did he just turn his back to the sun and head east like Johnny Depp in Leaving Las Vegas..?

I enjoyed his posts.

D712
 
Did Noyac ever mention/give reason why he left this forum? Or did he just turn his back to the sun and head east like Johnny Depp in Leaving Las Vegas..?

I enjoyed his posts.

D712

Noy just recently posted on my "working out" thread.
 
Ah yes, and I think I responded to him.
#sleepdeprived
 
having read this post, I cant grasp the meaning of it..

there is something indirectly being said, nothing at all to do with Roger..

so what is the story corp, or does anyone really care what the real story is..?

just one word to you tho dude, being the go to guy? lol...these guys give you the sickest patients because they have the highest likely hood of dying..and you getting sued over it..it doesnt necessarily mean they think you are that qualified..it simply mean that they think you are too lame to speak up..
 
just one word to you tho dude, being the go to guy? lol...these guys give you the sickest patients because they have the highest likely hood of dying..and you getting sued over it..it doesnt necessarily mean they think you are that qualified..it simply mean that they think you are too lame to speak up..

Ahhh, there are so many injustices in the anesthesia world.
and this is just scratching the surface LOL.

But I love it when the guys who are doing the schedule shuffling desp erately trying to avert a disaster or a (high risk case.. likelihood of dying) end up getting the case after all. Thats some funny ****.. MOre time is spent trying to avoid cases, surgeons, long rooms, kids, early starts,than actually just relaxing and taking life as it comes. LOL. It truly is comedy.

Roger will find the right place for himself. it doesnt matter he is unemployed since JULY 7th. what is is is a damn shame. If he is a competent safe clinician who treats his patients with respect who gives a **** what your partners think. Just because you have decended the evolutionary ladder to become an invertebrate doesnt mean Roger has to do the same.
 
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This has got me thinking.

Jet posts of his success, overcoming obstacles, gaining riches, challenging his beliefs, growing, etc. Always positive. You can do it. Life is good! Don't settle, make things better. There's a genuinely good guy there with a secret urge to teach, and challenge the dogma, and make us all a bit better.

And than there's this...
😕

Agree about the "go to guy" comment BTW. Tell them "no" a couple of times or cancel an unprepared case and they'll find another sucker. I have an interesting story about that, but it's not the time.
 
Sorry dude, my bad.

You knew what I meant tho, which is the important part.😀

Dude, I wasn't correcting your choice of words. I was only pointing out the alternate definition:

consummate-
v: make marriage complete by sexual intercourse
adj: showing a high degree of skill or flair
 
Dude, I wasn't correcting your choice of words. I was only pointing out the alternate definition:

consummate-
v: make marriage complete by sexual intercourse
adj: showing a high degree of skill or flair

I figured that out after I posted my response.:laugh:
 
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