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No I won't. And this is specific to boomers because plenty of millennials could take these jobs too but the only ones with any interest seems to be boomers who don't care about anything except themselves.


All the boomers around here have retired or gone part-time doing their own cases at surgicenters. I’m gen X and I’m the oldest guy remaining at my hospital. We do our own cases here too.
 
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This isn’t a boomer attitude… this is what literally everybody would do when they are their way out. Doesn’t matter what the profession is. You will do something like this, too, when you’re on your way out.


Yes it is natural to have a much shorter term outlook as we enter the tail end of our careers.
 
Maybe I’m not understanding your point.

It you have a lawsuit from a case on your last day at age 65 wouldn’t you expect the massive aggravation of dealing with it for the next 2-5 years when it’s supposed to be some of the best years of your life?

I was once involved as a defense expert on a case where it was still unresolved 4 years after the anesthesiologist had retired, another one where the anesthesiologist had died with it unresolved
I knew a radiologist who missed a feeding tube in the bronchus. Patient got tube feeds and had a bad pneumonia / prolonged hospitalization.

Lawsuit comes.

Rad retired and then *admitted he missed it*, turning the case into a circus of “how did the hospital not have protocols to confirm tube placement”

I think he got assigned 40% of the verdict but he was retired and the insurance company paid out.

I could see a similar move if someone is literally peri retirement and gets sued in a 1:10 supervision, especially in a state with tort reform…
 
The ASA and the younger generation anesthesiologists should lobby state and federal Congresses on postgraduate training schools and establish more AA schools and have all states be able to employ AAs. That way 1) more anesthesia providers 2) improved care team model 3) keeps more anesthesiologists as team leaders as opposed to just chart-signers or "collaborative" liability sponges 4) More AAs means that maybe less nurses go to CRNA school thus increasing the number of nurses who stay nurses instead of jumping to CRNA school. The CRNAs can be independent, but they cannot have the anesthesiologists take blame if there is a lawsuit under their independent care and the surgeons shouldn't have to take the blame either unless they agree to "staff" the CRNAs.

The anesthesiologists who choose jobs that are 8:1 supervision or collaborative or whatever you want to call it maybe have no options in that geographical area or they just don't care and want to have a cash grab while waiting for retirement. It's up to the younger generation of anesthesiologists to have political persuasion to change the direction of the current narrative in anesthesiology. Pride in the Profession
 
Currently contracted with essential on a prn basis here in San Antonio. They aren't bad to work for. Pay was low initially, primarily due to my amateur status in negotiations. Currently earning $300/hr with an 8hr guarantee and $325 for overtime and then there's call stipends. They've always paid me on time and haven't ever given me any issues with psycho demands. It's possible he moved but the founder lives in Southlake as far as I know. I'd say their salaried positions need to come up higher cause the hospitals that they currently are contracted for a run somewhat poorly so you're gonna be working more than a few hours.
I'm getting $425/hr, $475/hr OT. General, MD-only. You're still being taken advantage of.
 
I'm getting $425/hr, $475/hr OT. General, MD-only. You're still being taken advantage of.
Those are excellent hourly rates. Way better than me.

Depending how many hours and calls you want to take. You easily make 100k a month with limited effort plus a week off or even 2 weeks off each month.

I’m only getting averaging $350/-375/hr this past month and worked 1/3 the month and still made it rain 110k this month with 20 days off. And no weekends. I did work New Year’s Day (1.5x) so that helps.

I really just make my money on guarantee hours sleeping and run up the hours but go for lower hourly rate.

One month I would like to kick it up a notch and hit 200k. Summer or the holiday months are the best times to hit the locums weeks hard.
 
that works, unless the consent form requires the signature of an anesthesiologist.
if you are signing the consent after the fact and without face to face interaction, I do not know how kosher that is.
I believe my PAs can sign my consent forms. I know every one of my surgeons that has a PA, has their PA sign the consent.
 
I believe my PAs can sign my consent forms. I know every one of my surgeons that has a PA, has their PA sign the consent.
For anesthesiology services specifically, there is an official anesthesia consent form that lists all staff and at the end only has space for MD/DO to sign. That came out mid 2023 and most facilities in Texas now use it.

Indicating that there is no such thing as Crna only or “independent practice”. It must have all anesthesia staff documented including Crna, Md.

At the end only a physician can sign it. Either anesthesiologist or operating physician (surgeon, GI, proceduralist etc etc). And they cannot be a midlevel themself if they’re supervising Crna. A physician must be involved somewhere.

I believe this was done because there were too many complications from endoscopy and pain procedures in office based anesthesia where the patients weren’t aware that there is no anesthesiologist available anywhere.

Non anesthesiologist pain docs/ surgeons/ proceduralists and GI docs must take on the liability of supervision of Crna and document and sign the consent.

Many do not want to - it’s not their speciality. It would be equivalent to me doing solo anesthesia for a cardiac PA and supervising them doing a solo CABG.
 
I’m gen x and agree with pgg. No extended care team…. I won’t sell out and will condemn those that do. It’s not generational…. The new grads at my old practice sold out as much as gen x, boomers, etc.
the excuse of location is bull****. Every decent job pays moving expenses and sign on bonus these days.
Integrity is expensive because it’s worth it
 
In San Antonio? 1099 prn or Locums?
That’s the going rate in San Antonio. In the 400s an hr range. That’s why I was annoyed my buddy took $325/hr in San Antonio a few months ago before he moved on to Pacific Northwest. He’s 61 so not a big negotiator.

While you always want to negotiate top rate. They need to be within 10% of each other.

Sometimes they play games. If I offer a place at least 12 days a month. They will give me a higher rate. Its all voodoo made up negotiations
 
In San Antonio? 1099 prn or Locums?

That’s the going rate in San Antonio. In the 400s an hr range. That’s why I was annoyed my buddy took $325/hr in San Antonio a few months ago before he moved on to Pacific Northwest. He’s 61 so not a big negotiator.

While you always want to negotiate top rate. They need to be within 10% of each other.

Sometimes they play games. If I offer a place at least 12 days a month. They will give me a higher rate. Its all voodoo made up negotiations
SA 1099, Standard locums contract. I'll PM you if its not a dumpster fire to get you in.
 
SA 1099, Standard locums contract. I'll PM you if its not a dumpster fire to get you in.
Good gig. Milk it while u can.

Love to do it but these days I like to stick around home

Just shows you there is money to be made just about anywhere in the us.
 
There is an article on ProPublica about physicians who become "medical directors" for health insurance companies. These physicians some of them have a lot of lawsuits. These medical directors are the ones that the health insurance companies pay to approve or deny (most are denials) claims for treatments/ medicines for patients. One Ob/Gyn mentioned in the article had been sued and settle multiple lawsuits. The article said this Ob/Gyn was sued after a diagnostic laparoscopy for failing to supervise the nurse and failing to intubate a patient. I have never seen an Ob/Gyn intubate a patient but this Ob/Gyn was named in the lawsuit for that. Also the Colorado plastic surgeon who got blamed for the 18 year old girl who coded in his surgery center after an anesthetic that the independent CRNA performed and left the girl alone unmonitored but the surgery had not started yet. The Colorado surgeon didn't want the ASC staff to call 911. During the trial the CRNA testified against the surgeon and in return for getting the CRNA's testimony, the lawyers dropped the charges for the CRNA but pursued the plastic surgeon and the surgeon was convicted guilty even though it was the anesthetic and not being monitored by the CRNA that caused the 18 year old's demise. So it's not a benign thing for physicians to co-sign or be "responsible" for these midlevels. You probably will be blamed even if you weren't in the room where it happens at the time because they will revert to midlevel or nurse profession to save their own skin
 
SA 1099, Standard locums contract. I'll PM you if its not a dumpster fire to get you in.
Ah that makes more sense. I'm not working with a locums company. This was all just side work from the Army. I'll be living in SA for the foreseeable future so I can't be getting involved with locums and then being restricted by a non compete. Admittedly, I haven't done any work for them in a few months, primarily because the Army ****ed me last year with a PCS. But I'm getting out soon. Currently, I have a contract with another company that I signed for when I get out. 650K, 50ish hrs/week, 12 weeks off, although it is pure 1099 work.
 
MirrorTodd = chump
Do you all not accept a lower hourly rate (roughly) when not using a locums company and staying local to where you live? It makes business sense to me to have the option to go full time/permanent rather than demanding the highest rate for a short term assignment and then them not wanting to hire me later.
 
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Do you all not accept a lower hourly rate (roughly) when not using a locums company and staying local to where you live? It makes business sense to me to have the option to go full time/permanent rather than demanding the highest rate for a short term assignment and then them not wanting to hire me later.
Agree with above. Sorry for the "chump", champ.
 
Do you all not accept a lower hourly rate (roughly) when not using a locums company and staying local to where you live? It makes business sense to me to have the option to go full time/permanent rather than demanding the highest rate for a short term assignment and then them not wanting to hire me later.
Hospitals are a pain to work with directly. You can literally offer them $400hr no locums fees and they would rather pay the locums company 30% locums fees $500.hr. Before hca did their own hca heathtrust

It’s like the pharmacy benefits managers from Walgreens or cvs Caremark jacking up drug costs.

But it’s tricky to to direct for the hospital 1099 because docs need to get their own malpractice

Now hca is getting smarter with their hca heathtrust 1099 division but that’s just hca.

All the other hospitals need to do the same thing. And it’s cumbersome for them to create loosely affiliated subsidiaries 1099 divisions

I really don’t know why big hospitals won’t do this.

Maybe too much work for them to do it. I don’t know.

Independent 1099 docs certainly don’t want to pay own malpractice without guarantee 1099 pay.

Would you want to pay $175-200 a day for daily malpractice ? Or 25-30k a year for occurrence malpractice. If they gurantee me 500k 1099 for 26 weeks off 40 hr workweeks coverage. I would pay my own malpractice.
 
The ASA and the younger generation anesthesiologists should lobby state and federal Congresses on postgraduate training schools and establish more AA schools and have all states be able to employ AAs. That way 1) more anesthesia providers 2) improved care team model 3) keeps more anesthesiologists as team leaders as opposed to just chart-signers or "collaborative" liability sponges 4) More AAs means that maybe less nurses go to CRNA school thus increasing the number of nurses who stay nurses instead of jumping to CRNA school. The CRNAs can be independent, but they cannot have the anesthesiologists take blame if there is a lawsuit under their independent care and the surgeons shouldn't have to take the blame either unless they agree to "staff" the CRNAs.

The anesthesiologists who choose jobs that are 8:1 supervision or collaborative or whatever you want to call it maybe have no options in that geographical area or they just don't care and want to have a cash grab while waiting for retirement. It's up to the younger generation of anesthesiologists to have political persuasion to change the direction of the current narrative in anesthesiology. Pride in the Profession
Its not that easy.

There is big money in status quo.

Hospitals do not care about safety and quality. They may say that, but they really do not. They only care about cost and profit. They view anesthesia as pain in the ass already due to subsidies and paying us for "on call" when there is no production or billable activity. They hate that anesthesia is rate limiting step for procedures.

They still have this archaic mindset where they feel that anesthesia should bill for itself and surgeon should bill for themselves and they will get the facility fee. At medicare rate of $20/unit and an aging population, convincing them on our lack of profitability and how market will not support a salary of $200K/year for an anesthesiologist with billing, is like talking to a big giant non responsive delusional wall.

I do not know what the right answer is. If you do, let me know. People much smarter and brighter than me are unable to solve these issues and current solution is cost difference paid for anesthesia services (i.e. subsidy).

My personal take is that instead of fighting this war for every young anesthesiologist, one should focus on dedicating their individual time working with a hospital/practice that is either MD only or strict medical direction with CRNAs that are already trained to know their place in team setting. Maybe academics is also a good option. And if those two options pay you acceptable market rate, take it. If not, then continue locums until you find a reaonable package. Locums long term is not for everyone. Its brutal if you have a family and children.

There are multiple layers of greed and corruption. Insurance companies that are wanting to nickel and dime everyone. Hospitals. Private equity. Surgeons. Surgeon partners that co-own facilities. Then anesthesia partners that have controlling interest in a practice and get to pick and choose schedule and operations. The same anesthesiologist partners are looking to work less and dump their work on the younger docs. My previous CMO was being paid for a full day's worth of work for "being last one on schedule". Typically he would do 1-2 endoscopy cases that started at 9/10, and then he'd leave. He was an employed CMO and made more than any of the regular anesthesiologists. Never worked past 1 pm in my 4 years there. No weekends, no call.

Unless there is parity in labor and pay, one cannot be satisfied.

And that's the best case private practice scenario.

Our only leverage is labor shortage and hospitals are trying to fill that gap with CRNAs. So right now the field is open. You don't like an environment - move. Walk with your feet. That's the best answer.

If you are employed, esp. with a CRNA led or owned company - you can kiss you autonomy and softer yet important aspects of being a physician completely good bye. Your role is transactional. That's ok for a little bit, but long term, you're not going anywhere professionally and not truly growing as a physician. These are the same places that allow CRNAs to do "peer reviews" on anesthesiologists and they think its ok.

So yes, the above thoughts sound idealistic and nice on paper and good to motivate and rile up younger anesthesiologists, but local politics and policies determine everything. I bet 95% of the anesthesiologists have never read bylaws, rules and regulations, and credentialing documents of a facility they work at. That would be start to see how you can locally make a difference. That's if you care to begin with. Most people feel its too much time and easier to hang the jacket once done, and spend time with their families or do something else. And thats ok too. How much can one fight? It takes a toll on you.
 
Do you all not accept a lower hourly rate (roughly) when not using a locums company and staying local to where you live? It makes business sense to me to have the option to go full time/permanent rather than demanding the highest rate for a short term assignment and then them not wanting to hire me later.
Why would you do this? You can literally put in your contract that the hospital can buy out your contract or that you can be perm placed at your locum site after x number of shifts. Mine has 50 shifts and the hospital can buy out my non-compete from the locums for 10k.
 
Why would you do this? You can literally put in your contract that the hospital can buy out your contract or that you can be perm placed at your locum site after x number of shifts. Mine has 50 shifts and the hospital can buy out my non-compete from the locums for 10k.
I did say that I’m a **** negotiator after all.
 
I did say that I’m a **** negotiator after all.
Why would you do this? You can literally put in your contract that the hospital can buy out your contract or that you can be perm placed at your locum site after x number of shifts. Mine has 50 shifts and the hospital can buy out my non-compete from the locums for 10k.
10k buyout is unusually low. Usually it’s 30-40k for a doc.
 
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