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So, odds are no one really cares at this point, and this ends up on page 11 by 4 PM.

However, this debate used to drive me insane, and I figure as sparingly as I've been posting, if everyone hates it, oh well. Let the TL;DR's begin!

So a friend of mine is doing an internship with a campus ministry. And she was telling me how it was so surprising how there is so much business that goes into running a church. If you don't have a building, people don't come. If the building doesn't have air conditioning in the summer and heat in the winter, people won't come. If there isn't electricity, people don't come. And, if you can't get people in the building, you can't get them to God. Of course, a church isn't the building, the AC, the heat, the electricity. The church is the people. You can have a church without all of that except the people...but you can't have the people without all of that. Spare me the "If you were a good Christian..." That doesn't apply. Unsaved people aren't going to sit in a cold dark room for an hour to listen to some right wing nut job ramble for an hour about.

And lastly...if you don't have a preacher, you can't deliver the message. Yeah, Brother Bob can get up and testify, but really, you want souls saved, you want a preacher. Well, the message is the message. The preacher is doing God's work whether it be at your church or someone else's. You want one, you gotta suck him in. That involves...$. That often involves a parsonage, sometimes with most house-related expenses paid.

Preacher man is a direct servant of the lord. Yet, he gets to make a living in doing so. People NEVER complain about that. He's our preacher, we have to take care of him.

Can I stop it there? Does everyone see what I (tried to) did there? Let's all bite the bullet and make NOTHING off something we spend 50+ hours a week doing, something we spent 25+ years working to learn, something cost us over 200K. Let the preacher man have a decent house, decent car, and put the doctors in a box.
 
no idea what point you're making, but i'd like to point out that if you want a preacher (especially like a priest) to run the huge number of hours they do they do not have room for a part time job on the side. Churches are quite similar to non-profit organizations, people still get paid for working, it's not all volunteer...
 
no idea what point you're making, but i'd like to point out that if you want a preacher (especially like a priest) to run the huge number of hours they do they do not have room for a part time job on the side. Churches are quite similar to non-profit organizations, people still get paid for working, it's not all volunteer...

yeah.... this
 
what are you talking about? my only issue is the last 2 lines. If you have no problem that the preacher wants to have a decent house and car, than you cannot think it is hypocritical when a 400lb doctor tells you that you need to lose weight. you need to practice what you preach, and if you spend time preaching that money is bad, give it to the church, and you turn around and buy a $500k house, people will walk away.
 
A lot of religious leaders live very modestly because they aren't paid much. And that's by relatively large churches. Religious training is rather exhaustive. They make less than doctors.

But yes, doctors shouldn't be paid nothing. Nobody should be given nothing in return for their services. In fact, if we didn't have such an interventionist system, people could pay each other what they both agreed on as a fair price.
 
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I can't believe I wasted 3 minutes reading this.
 
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ10Dm5rXEs[/youtube]


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what are you talking about? my only issue is the last 2 lines. If you have no problem that the preacher wants to have a decent house and car, than you cannot think it is hypocritical when a 400lb doctor tells you that you need to lose weight. you need to practice what you preach, and if you spend time preaching that money is bad, give it to the church, and you turn around and buy a $500k house, people will walk away.

Most preachers don't say money is bad. They say that anything that you put before god is bad, and they may use money as an example a lot of the time because so many people can relate to putting money before god.
 
So, odds are no one really cares at this point, and this ends up on page 11 by 4 PM.

However, this debate used to drive me insane, and I figure as sparingly as I've been posting, if everyone hates it, oh well. Let the TL;DR's begin!

So a friend of mine is doing an internship with a campus ministry. And she was telling me how it was so surprising how there is so much business that goes into running a church. If you don't have a building, people don't come. If the building doesn't have air conditioning in the summer and heat in the winter, people won't come. If there isn't electricity, people don't come. And, if you can't get people in the building, you can't get them to God. Of course, a church isn't the building, the AC, the heat, the electricity. The church is the people. You can have a church without all of that except the people...but you can't have the people without all of that. Spare me the "If you were a good Christian..." That doesn't apply. Unsaved people aren't going to sit in a cold dark room for an hour to listen to some right wing nut job ramble for an hour about.

And lastly...if you don't have a preacher, you can't deliver the message. Yeah, Brother Bob can get up and testify, but really, you want souls saved, you want a preacher. Well, the message is the message. The preacher is doing God's work whether it be at your church or someone else's. You want one, you gotta suck him in. That involves...$. That often involves a parsonage, sometimes with most house-related expenses paid.

Preacher man is a direct servant of the lord. Yet, he gets to make a living in doing so. People NEVER complain about that. He's our preacher, we have to take care of him.

Can I stop it there? Does everyone see what I (tried to) did there? Let's all bite the bullet and make NOTHING off something we spend 50+ hours a week doing, something we spent 25+ years working to learn, something cost us over 200K. Let the preacher man have a decent house, decent car, and put the doctors in a box.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ10Dm5rXEs[/youtube]


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hail satan?

blood orgy?

:whoa:
 
This post just doesn't make any sense to me. Who the heck cares about what people think doctors should make? It's the market that determines salaries (at least to an extent), not the individual people who are complaining about it.
 
Preacher man is a direct servant of the lord. Yet, he gets to make a living in doing so. People NEVER complain about that. He's our preacher, we have to take care of him.

Can I stop it there? Does everyone see what I (tried to) did there? Let's all bite the bullet and make NOTHING off something we spend 50+ hours a week doing, something we spent 25+ years working to learn, something cost us over 200K. Let the preacher man have a decent house, decent car, and put the doctors in a box.

If I'm reading this right you're saying:
A) Since most Preachers/Pastors/Reverends/etc. teach others to put nothing before God (money as an example) they should not be paid or at least they and their family should be living in poverty.
B) Preachers are somehow making more than their fair share of money while doctors are barely scraping by.

Sorry if I'm way off base but that seems to be what you're implying.

My dad works well over 50 hours a week, had 20+ years of education, and believe me, he is making much much less money than any doctor in my hometown. Obviously this is anecdotal but I'm sure this is very much the norm (minus the televangelists).🙄
 
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