A Dr. the first day of school?

[billiken10]

Rumor has it that at some schools, students are referred to as "Dr. ----" as D-1's. I find that hard to believe. Anyone know better than me?

b10

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[mvs04]

what a bunch of pretentious bastards.... I don't know about y'all, but I have a name, and it serves me fine as a call-sign or designation.

we really need to get over ourselves... we're going to be oral mechanics... c'mon... what's the big deal?

 

[doc_dent]

uop calls you Dr. from day one.

 

[ryche22]

i was a patient at the temple clinic a few years ago, and got an initial checkup by someone in a white coat, and he introduced himself as dr. soandso. i asked him what year he was and he said he was a D3 and added that it was proper and typical for students to be called dr. in the clinic...

 

[billiken10]

i was a patient at the temple clinic a few years ago, and got an initial checkup by someone in a white coat, and he introduced himself as dr. soandso. i asked him what year he was and he said he was a D3 and added that it was proper and typical for students to be called dr. in the clinic...

Wow... I guess it is kind of a stroke to the ego... But there are worse things in the world that you can be called in school.

What do the professors call the students?

 

[mvs04]

well, temple and uop = pretentious *****s.

 

[tavloolove]

well, temple and uop = pretentious *****s.

Whether being called doctor as a first year student is pretentious or not, is a matter of opinion. Possibly it serves as a stroke of ego, ask billiken stated. But maybe dental school does more than just preparing you to be an "oral mechanic"...I certainly hope it does. Dentists are health CARE providers. Being a doctor, means being professional, trustworthy, knowledgeable, and compassionate (among other things). Maybe being called doctor serves to make the students aware of these important characteristics they must maintain and practice while in dental school (and the professional world after they graduate). I just think there is more to dental school than teeth...there is a humanistic side as well.

 

[45540]

Student Doctor is the proper term. Doctor refers to a degree.

 

[Comet208]

Rumor has it that at some schools, students are referred to as "Dr. ----" as D-1's. I find that hard to believe. Anyone know better than me? b10

very interesting how conversations over AIM can end up on SDN in the matter of min. It is not a rumor buddy, it is practiced at many of the schools. you better get used to be calling a DOCTOR.

how did that paper go??

 

[Sprgrover]

...What do the professors call the students?

I'm looking forward to "hey, you!" or simply being referred to by my student number. Seriously, I would imagine that across the board you will be treated with a different level of respect and professionalism than in your undergraduate career. For those schools that refer to you as Doctor then I would imagine faculty do so in front of patients and many might call you by your first name outside of the clinic.

 

[Sprgrover]

Whether being called doctor as a first year student is pretentious or not, is a matter of opinion...

Egos aside, I would like to add that as a practicing dentist there are protcols and standards to not only approaching patients but staff as well. I believe that being called 'Doctor' from day one is part of the process in which students are groomed for their future roles. In addition, there is the immediate environment of the dental school in which students, by and large, are working on patients - many of whom are probably very nervous. Referring to a student as Doctor undoubtly alters their perception and helps establish confidence (hopefully) in you and their treatment.

 

[The Godfather]

Egos aside, I would like to add that as a practicing dentist there are protcols and standards to not only approaching patients but staff as well. I believe that being called 'Doctor' from day one is part of the process in which students are groomed for their future roles. In addition, there is the immediate environment of the dental school in which students, by and large, are working on patients - many of whom are probably very nervous. Referring to a student as Doctor undoubtly alters their perception and helps establish confidence (hopefully) in you and their treatment.

I agree. If I was joe blow of the street, I'd feel a lot more comfortable being seen by Dr. X instead of Mr. or Student Doctor X.

 

[KaryoKinesis]

I was a doctor since the day I was born, with people referring to me as Doctor, or Doc since then.

 

[aphistis]

Egos aside, I would like to add that as a practicing dentist there are protcols and standards to not only approaching patients but staff as well. I believe that being called 'Doctor' from day one is part of the process in which students are groomed for their future roles. In addition, there is the immediate environment of the dental school in which students, by and large, are working on patients - many of whom are probably very nervous. Referring to a student as Doctor undoubtly alters their perception and helps establish confidence (hopefully) in you and their treatment.

This is all well and good, but the ends don't justify the means. Our "grooming" is the educational process itself. Addressing students as "doctor" does nothing to confer knowledge or surgical skill, and implies a degree of accomplishment that has not been achieved. Until the degree is awarded, no claim at all exists to the title. Claiming it before it's been earned is misleading to patients, and totally misrepresents one's knowledge & ability--in short, it directly undermines the patient relationship you're claiming it helps cultivate.

 

[delicious]

This is all well and good, but the ends don't justify the means. Our "grooming" is the educational process itself. Addressing students as "doctor" does nothing to confer knowledge or surgical skill, and implies a degree of accomplishment that has not been achieved. Until the degree is awarded, no claim at all exists to the title. Claiming it before it's been earned is misleading to patients, and totally misrepresents one's knowledge & ability--in short, it directly undermines the patient relationship you're claiming it helps cultivate.

Sounds like somebody's jealous they didn't get a moderator position.

 

[KaryoKinesis]

Sounds like somebody's jealous they didn't get a moderator position.

LoL....His post sounded good at first, until I thought it was too-good and then found a ton of grammatical and stylistic errors.

 

[flat4]

Students do not get called Dr. here...at least the first two years. It's just unnecessary. It's like the kids that wears scrubs to school EVERY day during the first two years including days we don't have lab. Totally unecessary but some people just can't wait. I can understand being called Dr. in the clinic in front of your patient as it automatically sets the tone for the relationship but otherwise, I think's it's a little overkill.

 

[aphistis]

Sounds like somebody's jealous they didn't get a moderator position.

I wouldn't take a moderatorship on any of the pre-professional boards even if one were offered to me. Sprgover will do a fine job.

 

[FUTDR]

At UT Houston, they call you Dr...so and so...

 

[aphistis]

LoL....His post sounded good at first, until I thought it was too-good and then found a ton of grammatical and stylistic errors.

1) It's a message board post, not a thesis.

2) "LoL" and "too-good" (as used in your post) don't exactly inspire confidence in your own command of the written word.

3) Since, despite finding "a ton of grammatical and stylistic errors" you didn't identify, you had no comment on the substance of my post, I'll draw the implicit conclusion that you can't find grounds for disputing it.

4) Even if you could, I probably wouldn't worry about it. Openly mocking another user's children in a public discussion forum has a certain deleterious effect on one's intellectual credibility.

 

[Sprgrover]

This is all well and good, but the ends don't justify the means. Our "grooming" is the educational process itself. Addressing students as "doctor" does nothing to confer knowledge or surgical skill, and implies a degree of accomplishment that has not been achieved. Until the degree is awarded, no claim at all exists to the title. Claiming it before it's been earned is misleading to patients, and totally misrepresents one's knowledge & ability--in short, it directly undermines the patient relationship you're claiming it helps cultivate.

I see your point and agree with much of what you have stated. Nonetheless the OP's question is not concerned with ownership of the title but rather how some schools refer to their students. In regards to professional misrepresentation it should be clear to all patients entering a student clinic at a dental school, if not from the standpoint of the name, the fresh young faces and older faculty leaning over them, that they are being treated by dentists-in-training.

 

[aphistis]

I see your point and agree with much of what you have stated. Nonetheless the OP's question is not concerned with ownership of the title but rather how some schools refer to their students. In regards to professional misrepresentation it should be clear to all patients entering a student clinic at a dental school, if not from the standpoint of the name, the fresh young faces and older faculty leaning over them, that they are being treated by dentists-in-training.

Precisely. I think we're circling around the same point, just approaching it from opposite direction. It sounds like you're saying it's imperative that students be given recognition for the position they're in while treating patients. I agree completely, and nothing irks me more than a clinical instructor dressing down a student in front of his/her patient. My point is simply that going too far is as problematic as not going far enough. This is why, as a matter of personal taste, I think "student doctor" addresses both halves of the matter nicely.

 

[clevelandDDS]

I've heard of students as early as D1 being addressed as 'Dr.' as a means of motivation (to graduate). I don't think it is so terribly unheard of. And I think at most schools when you get your white coat, it'll say 'Student Doctor'.

 

[flat4]

I've heard of students as early as D1 being addressed as 'Dr.' as a means of motivation (to graduate). I don't think it is so terribly unheard of. And I think at most schools when you get your white coat, it'll say 'Student Doctor'.

Trust me. Most of us want out of here ASAP. They don't have to remind me twice. And no, there is no "Student Doctor" on the coats at my school, just your name. The profs with DMD's/DDS's and MD's have Dr. on their coats.

 

[JavadiCavity]

I honestly don't know why it matters. If it makes you feel good to be called doctor while in school, that's great. If it rubs you the wrong way, then ignore it.

 

[Sprgrover]

Wow, that's a polished pic, Java! I can already see it placed in the yellow pages next to the name of your practice.

 

[groundhog]

I've heard of students as early as D1 being addressed as 'Dr.' as a means of motivation (to graduate). I don't think it is so terribly unheard of. And I think at most schools when you get your white coat, it'll say 'Student Doctor'.

That must be new shool "touchy-feely." In old school you were not "doctor" until you graduated and the faculty made you fully aware of your lesser status throughout your schooling starting with day1 of D1. In those days its was not uncommon for an influential faculty member to arbitrarly determine that a D1 would never acquire the hand skills to become a competent dentist which would quickly result in the unfortuante novice being shown the door.

 

[KaryoKinesis]

1) It's a message board post, not a thesis.

2) "LoL" and "too-good" (as used in your post) don't exactly inspire confidence in your own command of the written word.

3) Since, despite finding "a ton of grammatical and stylistic errors" you didn't identify, you had no comment on the substance of my post, I'll draw the implicit conclusion that you can't find grounds for disputing it.

4) Even if you could, I probably wouldn't worry about it. Openly mocking another user's children in a public discussion forum has a certain deleterious effect on one's intellectual credibility.

1) Im probably 1.75 times smarter than you, if not twice as smart.
2) My girlfriend is probably 7.8 times prettier.
3) Im just havin a bad day, please excuse anything I say or said today.

 

[delicious]

LoL....His post sounded good at first, until I thought it was too-good and then found a ton of grammatical and stylistic errors.

Hey man, where have you been all this time?!

 

[aphistis]

1) Im probably 1.75 times smarter than you, if not twice as smart.
2) My girlfriend is probably 7.8 times prettier.
3) Im just havin a bad day, please excuse anything I say or said today.

1) I'm sure you think so.
2) I'm sure you think so.
3) Your bad day isn't my or anyone else's problem.

 

[JavadiCavity]

Wow, that's a polished pic, Java! I can already see it placed in the yellow pages next to the name of your practice.

Kinda sad that all I could find was this picture of me, but the digital camera is on the fritz. I think it's too rigid for me.

And, if I want to get patients, I'll leave my mug out of the yellow pages, but thanks for the compliment.

 

[edkNARF]

I know this if off-topic, but I refer to my dentist (at his request) by his first name. He told me that he finds his patients to be more comfortable when they refer to him as a person rather than a title.

 

[TeddieBelle]

1) Im probably 1.75 times smarter than you, if not twice as smart.
2) My girlfriend is probably 7.8 times prettier.
3) Im just havin a bad day, please excuse anything I say or said today.

Wow... That was just so mean. I can't believe you said that...WOW. If you need to ask to be excused for anything you say then maybe you just shouldn't say it at all. Just a thought.

 

[ItsGavinC]

Rumor has it that at some schools, students are referred to as "Dr. ----" as D-1's. I find that hard to believe. Anyone know better than me?

b10

Many of our faculty call us "Dr. ----". It doesn't MEAN you're a doctor, but it's a great symbol of how they view you as a colleague.

In front of patients, today for example, we were addressed as "student doctor," which is the norm for most clinics around the country I believe.

 

[ItsGavinC]

Claiming it before it's been earned is misleading to patients, and totally misrepresents one's knowledge & ability--in short, it directly undermines the patient relationship you're claiming it helps cultivate.

I agree that the title should NOT be used when in front of patients. In a private setting I have no problem with faculty addressing students in that manner, however. It DOES remind one of the importance of acting appropriate.

 

[yeahbuddy]

1) I'm sure you think so.
2) I'm sure you think so.
3) Your bad day isn't my or anyone else's problem.

remember that little quote on your signature...
"Never argue with an idiot; people might have trouble telling you apart."

 

[The Godfather]

Wow... That was just so mean. I can't believe you said that...WOW. If you need to ask to be excused for anything you say then maybe you just shouldn't say it at all. Just a thought.

Probably still has his panties in a twist about Duke getting shut out in the tourney

 

[dental poopie]

This is all well and good, but the ends don't justify the means. Our "grooming" is the educational process itself. Addressing students as "doctor" does nothing to confer knowledge or surgical skill, and implies a degree of accomplishment that has not been achieved. Until the degree is awarded, no claim at all exists to the title. Claiming it before it's been earned is misleading to patients, and totally misrepresents one's knowledge & ability--in short, it directly undermines the patient relationship you're claiming it helps cultivate.

hahahahahaahaahahahahahaahahahahahahaha

 

[dental poopie]

Sounds like somebody's jealous they didn't get a moderator position.

I tell ya what. If that guy gets a moderator position I am never posting another comment on SDN.

I wont come here either.

No way!

 

[dental poopie]

1) It's a message board post, not a thesis.

2) "LoL" and "too-good" (as used in your post) don't exactly inspire confidence in your own command of the written word.

3) Since, despite finding "a ton of grammatical and stylistic errors" you didn't identify, you had no comment on the substance of my post, I'll draw the implicit conclusion that you can't find grounds for disputing it.

4) Even if you could, I probably wouldn't worry about it. Openly mocking another user's children in a public discussion forum has a certain deleterious effect on one's intellectual credibility.

WOW this guy has over 2000 posts!!!!!!

He must be really bored or Indiana must be really easy!


Amazing too, 2000 posts and not one has helped me as of yet.

Ill keep reading though. They are so funny!

 

[dental poopie]

1) Im probably 1.75 times smarter than you, if not twice as smart.
2) My girlfriend is probably 7.8 times prettier.
3) Im just havin a bad day, please excuse anything I say or said today.

Oh man this thread is too much!

I love it!

 

[toofache32]

...I refer to my dentist (at his request) by his first name. He told me that he finds his patients to be more comfortable when they refer to him as a person rather than a title.

This is what I do. Give me a break. I always introduce myself as simply "firstname lastname". If you're doing your job, they know who you really are whether student or otherwise. They can call me whatever they like.

 

[aphistis]

remember that little quote on your signature...
"Never argue with an idiot; people might have trouble telling you apart."

Yeah, I know. It's easy to forget sometimes; thanks for the reminder.

 

[Zurik5]

Umm yah, don't expect that at UIC. I'm lucky if I can get a prof. to look at me, much less acknowledge the fact that some day I might become a pseudo-doctor type.

 

[delicious]

I tell ya what. If that guy gets a moderator position I am never posting another comment on SDN.

You know, I was pretty upset that I wasn't tapped to become the new moderator for this forum. Being polite and making thoughtful comments is all well and good, but I think you really need someone who can lay out a good public verbal smack-down. You gotta have those skills to deal with people like vertical bite and blackstars. I think i might be able to do that pretty well. I wouldn't even need to use the account on hold, probation, or close thread features. I'm that good.

Respect my authoriti !

 

[xc1999]

i was a patient at the temple clinic a few years ago, and got an initial checkup by someone in a white coat, and he introduced himself as dr. soandso. i asked him what year he was and he said he was a D3 and added that it was proper and typical for students to be called dr. in the clinic...

Uh....I don't know about that. Most of the upperclassmen I know are called by their first names by their patients. And at temple, when they call you up on the PA, they say, "student doctor" rather than "doctor" which I think is appropriate. That's the first time I've ever heard anyone want to be called doctor that hasn't graduated yet!

 

[donlee1231]

i was a patient at the temple clinic a few years ago, and got an initial checkup by someone in a white coat, and he introduced himself as dr. soandso. i asked him what year he was and he said he was a D3 and added that it was proper and typical for students to be called dr. in the clinic...

it is not true.
we are called by student doctor.
He might be a resident in perio or something else

Please clear that out

d ? i have never heard poeple saying d....

 

[ryche22]

I honestly don't know why it matters. If it makes you feel good to be called doctor while in school, that's great. If it rubs you the wrong way, then ignore it.

when i was in the clinic, it was just a kid probably my age that screened me, and he pretty much insisited that i called him doctor.

kinda creeped me out a bit and it did rub me the wrong way, so i didnt go back to the clinic, and ignored it

 

[predentchick]

speaking of moderator stuff.... what are the dots in the corner? what do the colors mean?

 

[Rezdawg]

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