AACOMAS 2009 Matriculant Profile

[stoptouchingme]

.http://www.aacom.org/about/fastfacts/Documents/Summaries/2009MatriculantSummary.pdf

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[MLT2MT2DO]

Not to bring up the "URM Card" but wow...a 21.77 mean MCAT for African American Matriculants?

 

[stoptouchingme]

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[iatros]

...and for white students it is 26.24. Now, close your eyes and imagine that you are a black person living in this country. How would your life be? Now, open your eyes and look at that table again.

and women and native americans have higher GPA's than whites while asians score higher on the mcat overall. should i close my eyes and imagine i'm a white male living in a country full of asian women?

what are you suggesting?

 

[MLT2MT2DO]

and women and native americans have higher GPA's than whites while asians score higher on the mcat overall. should i close my eyes and imagine i'm a white male living in a country full of asian women?

what are you suggesting?

Yeah I don't really get the reference either...it is 2010 not 1968. I just don't get it

 

[FutureCTDoc]

Yeah I don't really get the reference either...it is 2010 not 1968. I just don't get it

I agree, I could understand a small difference either way as African Americans are a relatively small group of matriculants to osteopathic med school, but that's 4.5 points and that's about an SD on the MCAT if I'm not mistaken.

 

[JustAGuy]

Affirmative action is such bull****.

 

[FutureCTDoc]

Affirmative action is such bull****.

I would agree on that count.

 

[stoptouchingme]

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[FutureCTDoc]

Affirmative Action is illegal my friend. So, before you start jumping up and down pretending to be superior to everyone, think.

In order to fully understand the ramifications of such a wide variety of programs that are installed in an effort to increase diversity, please read the arrogant comments in this thread. For instance, "its 2010, not 1968." Really? You don't think discrimination exists because a half-white guy became the President?

Think people! Perhaps ask your grandpa what he thinks of blacks in medicine and business. He may have the answer for you. Good luck in becoming health care providers. This is frightening!

AA isn't illegal see Regents of the University of California v. Bakke, Gratz V. Bollinger and Grutter v. Bollinger.

 

[FutureCTDoc]

Affirmative Action is illegal my friend. So, before you start jumping up and down pretending to be superior to everyone, think.

In order to fully understand the ramifications of such a wide variety of programs that are installed in an effort to increase diversity, please read the arrogant comments in this thread. For instance, "its 2010, not 1968." Really? You don't think discrimination exists because a half-white guy became the President?

Think people! Perhaps ask your grandpa what he thinks of blacks in medicine and business. He may have the answer for you. Good luck in becoming health care providers. This is frightening!

These comments aren't arrogant, they are simply noting the wide gap between African American and average MCAT scores. This is a legitimate discussion, while there is a need for diversity in medicine, it should not come at a cost of quality in the physician pool. As to the second question regarding grandparents, who is to some of ours haven't faced discrimination. I'm a white guy who has been discriminated against because of my religion. I think that to view race in the manner you do is divisive and it is important to recognize no one has a corner on the discrimination and suffering market.

 

[stoptouchingme]

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[FutureCTDoc]

I'm a white guy too. Yes, we have been discriminated against for quite some time.

Wish you well. Good luck getting accepted.

Already have been to NSU-COM via the 8 year BS/DO. As a religous minority, it isn't a laughing matter, to be slurred and openly discriminated against. BTW some of those people who have been discriminatory have been minorities.

 

[MLT2MT2DO]

Affirmative Action is illegal my friend. So, before you start jumping up and down pretending to be superior to everyone, think.

In order to fully understand the ramifications of such a wide variety of programs that are installed in an effort to increase diversity, please read the arrogant comments in this thread. For instance, "its 2010, not 1968." Really? You don't think discrimination exists because a half-white guy became the President?

Think people! Perhaps ask your grandpa what he thinks of blacks in medicine and business. He may have the answer for you. Good luck in becoming health care providers. This is frightening!

I never said it doesn't exist, I simply made a statement that the fat nerdy white kid deals with the same (if not more) discrimination in many parts of the country today.

Also making a statement about me being a healthcare provider from your opinion of me on a message board is what I would call being ignorant

 

[stoptouchingme]

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[stoptouchingme]

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[MLT2MT2DO]

Didn't mean to offend you. Everybody deserves a fair playing field. Analyzing just numbers does not give a fair picture of an applicant. Good luck.

This is something we both agree on. I Good luck with your journey as well.

 

[MLT2MT2DO]

Sorry that you had to go through that. People will be people. I married a black girl and my family hasn't spoken to me since. She is a cardiologist and yet they think she is trash. And yes, its 2010. I don't want my kids to be treated in that manner.

Good luck with school. Kick some butt.

Someone who doesn't really see "color" I sometimes forget others do. I guess in a way my comments probably were a bit ignorant...funny I end up being ignorant because I didn't think such ignorance exists...

 

[DoctorBoom]

Hmm its interesting how foreigners got highest MCAT score...
and females have higher GPA than males but Males outcompteted females in MCAT..except verbal..which makes sense. I hate MCAT!!!

 

[NAVYLABTECH08]

These comments aren't arrogant, they are simply noting the wide gap between African American and average MCAT scores. This is a legitimate discussion, while there is a need for diversity in medicine, it should not come at a cost of quality in the physician pool. As to the second question regarding grandparents, who is to some of ours haven't faced discrimination. I'm a white guy who has been discriminated against because of my religion. I think that to view race in the manner you do is divisive and it is important to recognize no one has a corner on the discrimination and suffering market.

And many MDs feel the same about DO/FMGs. Suck it up. Just worry about yourself and getting in. Debating this topic is pointless because the majority (>70%) will be mad because this particlar issue does not favor them. Not only is racism still here, but worse in my opinion today. I graduated from a HS in 1999 that still had segregated proms and homecoming activites. In 2010, VA governor is seeking the month of April to be National Confederate month. Try being a minority and living through that junk if it passes. Bottoom line, I'm not sure those stats are right. I have never met anyone that gets interviews, none the less acceptances with MCAT scores <24. This table makes you think that the average AA accepted VS white is 21 to 26. In reality, it is closer to 24-25 or 24-26 max on average. I personally have no problem with that minimal gap. Relax white americans, the average black person is NOT accepted with a 21, regardless of that stupid table.

 

[MLT2MT2DO]

This table makes you think that the average AA accepted VS white is 21 to 26. In reality, it is closer to 24-25 or 24-26 max on average. I personally have no problem with that minimal gap. Relax white americans, the average black person is NOT accepted with a 21, regardless of that stupid table.

So the table is just made up of random numbers? It says the average AA has a 21.77. Did many have a 24? Probably, but to balance that out that means many also had <19.

 

[Little Boots]

Affirmative Action is illegal my friend. So, before you start jumping up and down pretending to be superior to everyone, think.

In order to fully understand the ramifications of such a wide variety of programs that are installed in an effort to increase diversity, please read the arrogant comments in this thread. For instance, "its 2010, not 1968." Really? You don't think discrimination exists because a half-white guy became the President?

Think people! Perhaps ask your grandpa what he thinks of blacks in medicine and business. He may have the answer for you. Good luck in becoming health care providers. This is frightening!

lol, why does that "half-white" comment make me laugh so hard? Oh right, Sarah Silverman wrote a joke about that....

Anyway, I'm not sure how I feel about affirmative action - I'm a Black woman and I got into MSUCOM with a 31 on the MCAT and a 3.9. Then again, I know one man in particular who got a 22 with a 3.0 who got into MSUCOM, and to be honest I believe it was because he was a URM.

I personally, rather Affirmative action be eliminated. I'm pretty sick of feeling like people think I only got into medical school because of the color of my skin not my grades or effort.

That's my 10 cents (yes, my opinion is worth 10 cents more than your 2 cents), feel free to disagree.

On that note, btw, stop calling people who disagree with AA racist, that's stereotyping. I know plenty of people who aren't racist but disagree, like me, on moral grounds.

Here come the flames....

 

[MLT2MT2DO]

Anyway, I'm not sure how I feel about affirmative action - I'm a Black woman and I got into MSUCOM with a 31 on the MCAT and a 3.9.

I'm pretty sick of feeling like people think I only got into medical school because of the color of my skin not my grades or effort.

With stats like those, anyone who thinks you got into medical school because of your skin color should be backhanded.

 

[dr.z]

lI got into MSUCOM

You should join the Facebook group if you haven't already. It's really quiet there.

 

[Andres Ponce]

Anyway, I'm not sure how I feel about affirmative action - I'm a Black woman and I got into MSUCOM with a 31 on the MCAT and a 3.9. Then again, I know one man in particular who got a 22 with a 3.0 who got into MSUCOM, and to be honest I believe it was because he was a URM.

I personally, rather Affirmative action be eliminated. I'm pretty sick of feeling like people think I only got into medical school because of the color of my skin not my grades or effort.

That's my 10 cents (yes, my opinion is worth 10 cents more than your 2 cents), feel free to disagree.

On that note, btw, stop calling people who disagree with AA racist, that's stereotyping. I know plenty of people who aren't racist but disagree, like me, on moral grounds.

Here come the flames....[/QUOTE]


One of the best posts i have ever seen on SDN.

 

[DitchDoc73]

lol, why does that "half-white" comment make me laugh so hard? Oh right, Sarah Silverman wrote a joke about that....

Anyway, I'm not sure how I feel about affirmative action - I'm a Black woman and I got into MSUCOM with a 31 on the MCAT and a 3.9. Then again, I know one man in particular who got a 22 with a 3.0 who got into MSUCOM, and to be honest I believe it was because he was a URM.

I personally, rather Affirmative action be eliminated. I'm pretty sick of feeling like people think I only got into medical school because of the color of my skin not my grades or effort.

That's my 10 cents (yes, my opinion is worth 10 cents more than your 2 cents), feel free to disagree.

On that note, btw, stop calling people who disagree with AA racist, that's stereotyping. I know plenty of people who aren't racist but disagree, like me, on moral grounds.

Here come the flames....

Great post and Congrats on your acceptance! 👍

 

[NAVYLABTECH08]

I feel that it looks better for schools to be more representative of the society we live in. I think that having a med school class >90% white looks a bit awkward. There is a slight difference between Affirmative action and how URMs are understood. They are not exactly the same thing. Bottom line, I think most schools reserve 5-10 seats a year for certain people to get numbers of diversity. (Ie URMs, Military applicants, older applicants, etc) I believe in all my heart that schools are not giving a seat to a guy with <24 mcat from someone with mcat >26 based on color. I think that URMs with low stats are competing with one another for those few seats. If all URMs with low scores were given preference, the stastically emrollmemnt for URMs due to affirmative action alone would = MUCH HIGHER URM ENROLLMENTS. Just look around your class as ask, how many out or the 150-200 students are actually URM? You will still find that the number in that class is <8%, unless you attend schools like Morehouse or Meherry. JMO!

 

[elftown]

UMDNJ-SOM is "Ranked #1 of all U.S. Osteopathic Medical Schools in percentage of underrepresented minority student enrollment (18%)."
http://som.umdnj.edu/about/index.html

UMDNJ-SOM has the most URM's and still manages to have one of the highest entering stats. Go figure.

 

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[christina30]

Wow! Congratulations!!! Now, we can stop all efforts in enrolling people from disadvantaged backgrounds. Case closed.

If you want to establish to your fellow students that you are a person of sound intellect, then be on the top of your class. Don't correlate your lack of self confidence with a need for social change.

Yes, there are blacks who have a very good and stable family background. This helps them to concentrate on school and go on great Spring Breaks. 🙂 However, a large group of minorities come from a very poor background. These students have to work 50-70hrs a week to support their families and still manage to get a 3.0 GPA in premedical curriculum. Yes, I will be more impressed with them, than some rich white guy who did nothing but study all day and went to frat parties at night.

I can honestly say that over 50% of students in my class are arrogant elitists. They would probably prefer to touch a poor patient with a stick if they could get away with it. Having a 3.9999 GPA and a 45T MCAT does not guarantee you a magic wand. Medicine is not premed. It's about taking care of another human being who so desperately needs a caring hand.

When I look around in my class it makes me realize how bad of a job our medical school admissions committee is doing. Our diversity department is a window dressing. It helps get federal funding. I guess that's all that matters to medical schools and medical students. How sad.😡

Then at that point it's not just about color. It's simply a problem that most medical schools (allopathic ones especially, imho) put too much emphasis on GPA/MCAT scores. White, black, hispanic, asian, middle eastern - it doesn't matter. They should probably put some more emphasis on personality/judge the entire applicant, not just their academic performance, because there are just too many doctors that don't have an ounce of empathy in their bodies.

 

[Andres Ponce]

Wow! Congratulations!!! Now, we can stop all efforts in enrolling people from disadvantaged backgrounds. Case closed.

If you want to establish to your fellow students that you are a person of sound intellect, then be on the top of your class. Don't correlate your lack of self confidence with a need for social change.

Yes, there are blacks who have a very good and stable family background. This helps them to concentrate on school and go on great Spring Breaks. 🙂 However, a large group of minorities come from a very poor background. These students have to work 50-70hrs a week to support their families and still manage to get a 3.0 GPA in premedical curriculum. Yes, I will be more impressed with them, than some rich white guy who did nothing but study all day and went to frat parties at night.

I can honestly say that over 50% of students in my class are arrogant elitists. They would probably prefer to touch a poor patient with a stick if they could get away with it. Having a 3.9999 GPA and a 45T MCAT does not guarantee you a magic wand. Medicine is not premed. It's about taking care of another human being who so desperately needs a caring hand.

When I look around in my class it makes me realize how bad of a job our medical school admissions committee is doing. Our diversity department is a window dressing. It helps get federal funding. I guess that's all that matters to medical schools and medical students. How sad.😡

First off, I have not seen a post on here where you were not acting like a complete jack*** Man you really are miserable huh! We all know that medical schools take URMs to keep the federal funding rolling in. However, this doesn't take away from the fact that underqualified applicants are getting into medical school because of it. That is all the girl was trying to say in her orginal post. And what about all the poor white kids who "have to work 50-70hrs a week to support their families," but still manage to get great grades and MCAT scores. Yet they don't get into medical school because they fall into the wrong catagory. Forget about them right... I think the girl had a nice story, and I can totally understand where she is coming from (as a URM). We should all be judged on our ability, not the color of our skin.

 

[stoptouchingme]

.http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/15/health/14chen.html

 

[christina30]

Yes, I agree. However, medical schools are under a lot of pressure to stay on top of the ranking lists. As a result, they want students with very high numbers as opposed to those who have "good" academic background concomitant with great people skills.

Someone in another thread posted an article that you may find interesting:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/15/health/14chen.html

There are a very large number of medical schools that don't even partake in the rankings, so I don't know what you're talking about.

 

[iatros]

...a large group of minorities come from a very poor background. These students have to work 50-70hrs a week to support their families and still manage to get a 3.0 GPA in premedical curriculum.

all of them? wow. hey everybody, apparently most poor minorities work 70 hours a week, have a strong family bond, and are smart enough to go to college and get a B average in some of the toughest classes offered at the college level.

Yes, I will be more impressed with them, than some rich white guy who did nothing but study all day and went to frat parties at night.

generalizing is a GREAT way to get your point across in a discussion about race.

I can honestly say that over 50% of students in my class are arrogant elitists. They would probably prefer to touch a poor patient with a stick if they could get away with it. Having a 3.9999 GPA and a 45T MCAT does not guarantee you a magic wand.

would you rather have a doc who barely squeezed by school treating your mother diagnosed with cancer or would you want the dickhead, Greg House type managing her case?

Medicine is not premed. It's about taking care of another human being who so desperately needs a caring hand.

maybe you should have gone to nursing school instead if you wanted to bequeath your ever loving, caring hands of mercy

When I look around in my class it makes me realize how bad of a job our medical school admissions committee is doing.

totally. they just cant seem to find any quality people these days, right?

generalizing again.

most medical schools put too much emphasis on GPA/MCAT scores... They should probably put some more emphasis on personality/judge the entire applicant, not just their academic performance.

yeah but the scores are objective and let the adcoms know if the candidates can handle the material... as we all are aware, med school is not easy.

because there are just too many doctors that don't have an ounce of empathy in their bodies.

empathy wears off fast. its not fair to blame the doctors.

First off, I have not seen a post on here where you were not acting like a complete jack*** Man you really are miserable huh! We all know that medical schools take URMs to keep the federal funding rolling in. However, this doesn't take away from the fact that underqualified applicants are getting into medical school because of it. That is all the girl was trying to say in her orginal post. And what about all the poor white kids who "have to work 50-70hrs a week to support their families," but still manage to get great grades and MCAT scores. Yet they don't get into medical school because they fall into the wrong catagory. Forget about them right... I think the girl had a nice story, and I can totally understand where she is coming from (as a URM). We should all be judged on our ability, not the color of our skin.

+1

 

[christina30]

yeah but the scores are objective and let the adcoms know if the candidates can handle the material... as we all are aware, med school is not easy.



empathy wears off fast. its not fair to blame the doctors.

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A. The material during pre-med doesn't even begin to compare to the material you get during med school.

B. "Handling it" doesn't come from an academic standpoint - it's emotional, social, and psychological just as much as it is academic. If you think grades and ECs can tell ADCOMs all they need to and should know about what might make an applicant a good doctor, then you're nuts. It's not all about book smarts and the ability to score well on standardized exams. House is a fictional character who, by real life standards, would not be practicing or be allowed to treat patients, imho. Stop using a TV character as your example.

 

[iatros]

A. The material during pre-med doesn't even begin to compare to the material you get during med school.

B. "Handling it" doesn't come from an academic standpoint - it's emotional, social, and psychological just as much as it is academic. If you think grades and ECs can tell ADCOMs all they need to and should know about what might make an applicant a good doctor, then you're nuts. It's not all about book smarts and the ability to score well on standardized exams. House is a fictional character who, by real life standards, would not be practicing or be allowed to treat patients, imho. Stop using a TV character as your example.

ok i'll clarify-

the scores/grades are objective. they offer an insight if the candidate can handle the academic material. we all know med school is harder than college. you think if a student struggled through college, they'll be ok in med school? c'mon. you know what i was talking about.

and my example, House... there was discussion in this thread about doctors being arrogant pricks. my point was that you dont have to be a "nice" person to be a brilliant problem solver, as house is depicted in the show. house was a perfect example.

reminds me of the age old question, what makes a better doctor? competent or compassionate?

 

[christina30]

ok i'll clarify-


reminds me of the age old question, what makes a better doctor? competent or compassionate?

The problem with that question: the two aren't mutually exclusive, so stop asking it.

 

[NAVYLABTECH08]

First off, I have not seen a post on here where you were not acting like a complete jack*** Man you really are miserable huh! We all know that medical schools take URMs to keep the federal funding rolling in. However, this doesn't take away from the fact that underqualified applicants are getting into medical school because of it. That is all the girl was trying to say in her orginal post. And what about all the poor white kids who "have to work 50-70hrs a week to support their families," but still manage to get great grades and MCAT scores. Yet they don't get into medical school because they fall into the wrong catagory. Forget about them right... I think the girl had a nice story, and I can totally understand where she is coming from (as a URM). We should all be judged on our ability, not the color of our skin.

First off, noone on here shuld care if schools select less competitive URMs. Accepting URMs with low stats is a risk to noone but the school accepting them. high MCAT + high premed GPA means squat in the medical world. However, it is an indicator that you can handle to school load and steps. If schools accept "underqualified" students, they will simply flunk out and not "hurt" the doctor pool. This is not a issue for anyone one this level to be concerned about.

 

[drctother]

Yes, I will be more impressed with them, than some rich white guy who did nothing but study all day and went to frat parties at night.
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I would take a person like this ANYDAY over someone like you. Hats off to anyone who can party hard and still get decent grades. These are EXACTLY the type of well rounded people who should be doctors. Clearly these white frat boys know when to stop partying or they wouldnt get their good grades.

Just because they know how to have fun and have SOCIAL SKILLS (a key part of being a doctor), doesn't give you the right to ride in on your horse

 

[stoptouchingme]

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[csmittyB]

Obviously the answer to that question is mediocrity. Dude, you are a white guy who got mediocre grades and a lame MCAT (25) and got into medical school. What do you have to say about that? A 25? I could get a 25 on the MCAT drunk. Get over yourself dude! I'm white too but not an arrogant a-hole like you.

Mocking someones GPA/MCAT and then calling someone an arrogant a--hole while denying arrogance...

 

[Skippygonenuts]

Obviously the answer to that question is mediocrity. Dude, you are a white guy who got mediocre grades and a lame MCAT (25) and got into medical school. What do you have to say about that? A 25? I could get a 25 on the MCAT drunk. Get over yourself dude! I'm white too but not an arrogant a-hole like you.

Why in the world r u on the pre-med forums? To give advice n help out others? Go stick to the forums pertaining to u and stop worrying about us arrogant premeds.

Quite honestly man, these forums are either to ask questions or answer other peoples questions....if your coming to bash someone else (as you've been doing in each and everyone of ur posts) then this isn't the place for you. Get off your high horse or go study for ur md/phd.

I swear its hard to believe someone with ur personality is really gonna be in control of someones life one day...for ur own sake, listen to others when they tell u ur an *ss. That's just a little advice

This is no place to bash someone else. Grow up.

 

[Bacchus]

Back on track folks... let's stop the insults.

 

[NAVYLABTECH08]

This post is going to the dogs and quickly becoming ugly. I strongly suggest the bashing to cease. Use that passion and study a little harder on your mcats and UG GPAs. Seriously, we could all be working together someday, who knows. There is a reason that people look up to the profession we are all in or getting into. The whole back-end of this thread has been an embarrasment to the "doctor society" and I hope a moderator comes and closes this thread before more hurtful things will be said. Obviously, no more good is coming out of this thread.

 

[Slack3r]

When I look around in my class it makes me realize how bad of a job our medical school admissions committee is doing. Our diversity department is a window dressing. It helps get federal funding. I guess that's all that matters to medical schools and medical students. How sad.😡

Perhaps because "diversity" involves more than skin color?

 

[Kate Nash]

Perhaps because "diversity" involves more than skin color?

Can I just give my 2 cents... I think that if we're going to eliminate segregation then we need to stop trying to differentiate between the races. We need to stop saying that Blacks bring this, or Asians that. But rather say that everyone can contribute something.

What your doing by saying that race "involves more than skin color" is essentially perpetuating the idea that there are differences between the races. I disagree. Then again, I'm from England which is about as homogeneous as you can get.

 

[christina30]

Can I just give my 2 cents... I think that if we're going to eliminate segregation then we need to stop trying to differentiate between the races. We need to stop saying that Blacks bring this, or Asians that. But rather say that everyone can contribute something.

What your doing by saying that race "involves more than skin color" is essentially perpetuating the idea that there are differences between the races. I disagree. Then again, I'm from England which is about as homogeneous as you can get.

They said diversity is about more than skin color/race. Totally different conversation.

 

[Brigade4Radiant]

Not to bring up the "URM Card" but wow...a 21.77 mean MCAT for African American Matriculants?

So its only like 2 points away from the avgs of many DO schools like Pikeville and LMU. And they make like 5% of applicants🙄

Affirmative action is such bull****.

This is D.O not M.D the avg white app is 26 which is higher than many D.O schools.

 

[ncguy2005]

Stoptouchingme, I only read your posts from quotes, but I don't see your logic in how unstable family backgrounds are going to really affect your studies in college.

I mean, assuming someone with an unstable background is living on campus with students from a variety of backgrounds, I don't see how their past is really going to affect what they get done in the library during the school year.

I know this may sound ignorant, but I've always wondered how someone could argue this point. By accepting someone with lower stats you can't say for sure if it was a growing up in a poor environment, or just lack of preparation or studying.

 

[Brigade4Radiant]

Stoptouchingme, I only read your posts from quotes, but I don't see your logic in how unstable family backgrounds are going to really affect your studies in college.

I mean, assuming someone with an unstable background is living on campus with students from a variety of backgrounds, I don't see how their past is really going to affect what they get done in the library during the school year.

I know this may sound ignorant, but I've always wondered how someone could argue this point. By accepting someone with lower stats you can't say for sure if it was a growing up in a poor environment, or just lack of preparation or studying.

You are right what you are saying is incredibly ignorant. Your past background easily affects your study habits in the present.

These comments aren't arrogant, they are simply noting the wide gap between African American and average MCAT scores. This is a legitimate discussion, while there is a need for diversity in medicine, it should not come at a cost of quality in the physician pool. As to the second question regarding grandparents, who is to some of ours haven't faced discrimination. I'm a white guy who has been discriminated against because of my religion. I think that to view race in the manner you do is divisive and it is important to recognize no one has a corner on the discrimination and suffering market.

Discrimination on religion isn't nearly the same as discrimination based on race. And what was the extent of your discrimination? And how does it affect the quality of the physician pool? The avg AA stats are 1-2 points lower than many D.O schools. 20 years ago the stats for M.D were a lot lower than they are today. Guess what they are whites who get into D.O and M.D schools with 21s(while it being very few for M.D) and they may have come from a bad background so they deserve a shot.