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Anybody has any idea the average number of questions you need to answer correctly to pass the ABIM.
I think my report shows that I answered 65% correctly and still failed.
Please guys, will appreciate input from everybody.
Youcan calculate from your percent correct,.Thanks

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Anybody has any idea the average number of questions you need to answer correctly to pass the ABIM.
I think my report shows that I answered 65% correctly and still failed.
Please guys, will appreciate input from everybody.
You can calculate from your percent correct,.Thanks
 
I got 75% of the selected questions right. I passed.

For reference compared to MKSAP 15, I got 67% first time, 77% second time, 80% third time. Average of the three trials was 75%. I did MKSAP 14 and got 71% the first time.
 
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Also will like to know what the standardized scores of 400s and 500s correlate to in the number of questions answered correctly
 
Hey can you please share the rough estimated percat number of total questions answered correctly thanks
 
Anybody has any idea the average number of questions you need to answer correctly to pass the ABIM.
I think my report shows that I answered 65% correctly and still failed.
Please guys, will appreciate input from everybody.
You can calculate from your percent correct,.Thanks

Sorry to here that. I think we'll find out in the next couple of days as more people post their results. Out of the the 240 questions, only a certain number were selected to be included in the 65% correct.
 
The pass rate this year was even lower than last year, at 84% for first time test takers.
 
Got my score report sometime over the past week (was on vacation and USPS delivered a week's worth of mail yesterday). My score sucked super hard...but was good enough to pass which was my only goal. A high score would have been nice, but nobody but me and ABIM will ever know the number.
 
Hi, I want to write about my experience to help people for next year. I did not pass last year -- 8th percentile with 67% of questions correct -- but studied well this year and reached the 85th percentile with 85% correct and passed easily. I did not have much time to study last year, and did perhaps 200-300 MKSAP questions total. I thought I'd get by even though in service scores were not spectacular, maybe 30-50th percentile range. I read a couple posts last year that helped me. I copy / paste them below. My method success was do MKSAP 2x through, take notes on all questions not obvious to me (created about 800 notes). First time thru maybe 60-65% correct. 2nd time 85%+. Did some sections last time thru and 90%+. Read board basics 2-3x - would have liked to do that more. Best book. Started studying in February. But key was to do ACP board review in Seattle. Doug Pauw teaches class and he is expert. Teaching boards x 25 yrs. Wrote/edited boards basics. Their materials held the topics to many (random) questions. Learn a lot from that which helps me in practice too. If you could only do 1 thing, go to that class. But only doing 1 thing is not enough if you did not pass. Accept that and work hard, or harder and differently than you did this year. I felt ****ty as well last year -- terrible actually -- but realize that you got this far and you can get through this too. I actually thought I did bad on the test this year. It is not easy, but ended doing well. All questions seem disguised or second order questions, so you need to have the basic info locked down. MKSAP and boards basics many times thru, with active notetaking and reviewing can do that. Good luck to all.

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A lot of people have been writing about failing the ABIM. I am one of those people who failed, studied, and passed the test this year. I wanted to share my experience in the hopes that this helps those who failed the exam. The first time, I took the test, I scored in the bottom decile. The second time around, I got the seventh decile. I was proud of this improvement. I worked as a full-time hospitalist during that year and was still able to accomplish this. So here are my tips and pointers.

1. Take your own pulse. Immediately after the test I was devastated. I questioned by own abilities and wondered how this might affect my career. This thinking is self-defeating and unhelpful. This test does NOT measure your abilities as a physician or your worth as a person. It is important to realize that the best doctors are hard-working, detail-oriented and compassionate towards their patients. The ability to recall the SAAG cutoffs rarely will affect life and death. However, your commitment to patient care and work ethic might. Also, it is very unlikely that this will affect your career. My group requires certification for partnership, but failing the test doesn't get you fired! Most groups have some policy in place (e.g., pass within three years of joining, etc). Right now, people can search and see that you're not certified, but once you pass the test, there will be no way for people to know about this. Your career will move on.

2. But do take an honest self-assessment. While this test is not a measure of physician excellence, it does measure SOMETHING. As others have pointed out, it is a relatively small number of questions that differentiates passing and non-passing scores. A small increase in medical knowledge can make the difference. In most cases, I think the test reveals that there was not enough learning and reviewing during residency. A brief cram session is inadequate if the basic knowledge is not there. In my case, I also had to face the fact that I was probably suffering from burnout and depression. While I don't think all shortcomings should be attributed to depression (a common habit in medicine programs), it is important to evaluate yourself for any symptoms of depression.

3. Realize that the ABIM is very different from the USMLE. Word recognition won't work! In the USMLE, questions can often be answered on recognition alone. If you recognize the condition, you can often answer the question easily. By contrast, the ABIM is testing confusing points or how to narrow a broad differential diagnosis. Knowing what they're testing can help you figure out the right answer.

4. Consider a review class. I took the Chicago ACP class. While expensive, it was very helpful preparation and review. They are good at showing you what points are tested. They can help you pick up easy points (e.g., derm pictures, peripheral smears, etc). Also, miserly loves company.

5. You need to use MKSAP. Some writers have recommended questions, questions, questions. I agree ... up to a point. If you failed the ABIM, there is a clear knowledge deficit (I'm not trying to offend; I'm just being honest). There is some information you need to know. I read each subject textbook twice and reviewed Board Basics multiple times. Highlight your underlines and underline your highlights.

6. Questions, Questions, Questions! I recommend using the computer version or MKSAP questions and creating multi-subject tests. Keep doing them until all questions are easy (>90% correct). When this is done, do some Med Study questions. Med Study tends to focus on tricky or easily-missed subjects. I recommend them in the weeks before the test to pick up some easy questions.

7. You need a plan. This will vary from person to person, but you need a plan. In my case, I work as a 7-on-7-off hospitalist. Studying during rounding weeks was almost impossible. So I focused on my off-days. I made sure that I spent a solid 2 hours every off day reading and doing questions. I have a family, so in my case, this meant going to a cafe so I could focus exclusively on my studying without distractions. Make sure you have time off from work in the weeks running into the test. I had a little under three weeks off, which seemed about right.

8. Don't forget to take care of yourself. When my studying was complete, I made sure to spend time with my family. I watched a little TV. I went to the gym. You can't let this take over your life.

9. Attitude matters. Don't be bitter or angry. If you can accept that this test has at least some meaning, then your studying will be much more enjoyable. If your belief is that the test is BS and the ABIM screwed you over, you will be miserable studying. And most likely, you'll fail the test again. If, however, you can accept that this information may be relevant and there is something for you to learn, the process will be much better. Tell yourself, "I may see this someday and this information may actually help my patient."

I hope this helps. Good luck to all of you

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sorry to create a new thread on the 2010 abim, but i thought this would be the best way for this info to be seen......

To be honest, i still do not have my official score as of yet, but when i took this years abim, i left feeling like i aced it.....now that it appears this was one of the harder versions of the ABIM, i would like to share with everyone who failed, how i prepared......

I actually graduated in 2009, but chose not to take the test right away since: 1) i was burned out, 2) i started my first job as a hospitalist 6 weeks before my scheduled exam in 2009.....therefore i ended up cancelling the test fearing that i would not pass......

fast forward to 2010, and i scheduled my test for aug 26th. I began my serious prep for this exam in june 2010. The first two challenges i faced was that i was working full time and my wife was due with our first child in early september......

I put in on avg, 2hrs a night during the weekdays, and about 4-6hrs a day on the weekend.

The main text i used was ACPS BOARD BASCICS 2. I cannot emphasize how important this text is. The normal mksap text is way too much info and med study to be honest is way to dense(and also has alot of board irrelevant material)

Board bascis 2 was awesome. very conscise, easy to read(you can read through it completely in about 3 days) and most importantly was the most board relevant text out there.

Also for questions i used all of mksap 14(which was not the lastest version). I would do all the questions, and then right notes on each question in a note book. I would then re-read the chapter(for example on heme-onc) in board basics, then re-read my notes, then repeat taking the mksap questions. i would do this until i was knew all the testable facts in each subject. of course you eventually "memorize" the anwsers, but what this does is that you memorize a testable fact.

I ended up reading board basics 2 from cover to cover over about 5 times. and did the all of mksap questions several times as well.

as i got closer to to the test date, i had a very old acp Question CD( i think from 2005), and i would use these questions(since they were brand new to me) to gauge how well i was doing. i was scoring above 80% on avg. i only took these questions once.

As many posts hint at, when i took the abim, the first 2 blocks were very easy and the afternoon blocks became increasingly harder...however as i left the test center, i felt very confident i passed. at least with the first 2 blocks, i felt i only missed 2-3 questions on avg in those blocks....

Trust me i have never been a good standardized test taker. i did very avg on all three step exams to be honest...i was shocked at how easy the whole test felt...also was shocked that alot people were saying it was hard(this of course made me very scared....any time i think i do good, i usually fail.)

I really think what made me pass was the text i choose(board basics 2) and going over constantly the mksap questions. I personally think medstudy is even a waste of your precious study time.....i mean u could spend a week memorizing all the stuff contained in there charts and none of it showed up on the abims....

also what helped me big time was making a very easy algorithm about cardiac murmurs... there is a good 5-10 questions on this stuff, and if u memorize a simple algorithm it becomes very easy...

i hope this post was not to long winded. but i wrote in sincere hope that whoever failed this year, can use the above info to beat the **** out of the test next year.....

i may post my algorithm, and other pneumonics that helped me along the way later....

if i leave you with anything, it is get board basics 2.

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Ditto. I was in 1st decile last year and 9th decile this year. I was not confident that I had passed when I left the exam room. Did everything you did except I went to Awesome Review instead of ACP. What Awesome did for me was organize and condense thousands of testable facts in a 2 books that I can quickly review and saved me hundreds of hours of study time. Also saves your sanity b/c you will forget much of what you learned 3 months ago.

The key is to have a system for retaining as many testable facts as you can until after the exam. A book like board basics 2 can be your starting point. Read it a half dozen times! Then do MKSAP questions and write down all testable facts that you don't already know. This process will take months, but will payoff in the last month of review and on test day. Read MKSAP highlight points and do the same. It's a quick read. Do medstudy questions and takes notes if you have the time. Do Awesome if you have the cash. Better to overkill on your studying. Try to keep each fact to one line. Write it in a question/ presentation w/ arrow leading to answer.

Just got back from the Carribean to celebrate my passing. No more exams for a long time!


Hi, I want to write about my experience to help people for next year. I did not pass last year -- 8th percentile with 67% of questions correct -- but studied well this year and reached the 85th percentile with 85% correct and passed easily. I did not have much time to study last year, and did perhaps 200-300 MKSAP questions total. I thought I'd get by even though in service scores were not spectacular, maybe 30-50th percentile range. I read a couple posts last year that helped me. I copy / paste them below. My method success was do MKSAP 2x through, take notes on all questions not obvious to me (created about 800 notes). First time thru maybe 60-65% correct. 2nd time 85%+. Did some sections last time thru and 90%+. Read board basics 2-3x - would have liked to do that more. Best book. Started studying in February. But key was to do ACP board review in Seattle. Doug Pauw teaches class and he is expert. Teaching boards x 25 yrs. Wrote/edited boards basics. Their materials held the topics to many (random) questions. Learn a lot from that which helps me in practice too. If you could only do 1 thing, go to that class. But only doing 1 thing is not enough if you did not pass. Accept that and work hard, or harder and differently than you did this year. I felt ****ty as well last year -- terrible actually -- but realize that you got this far and you can get through this too. I actually thought I did bad on the test this year. It is not easy, but ended doing well. All questions seem disguised or second order questions, so you need to have the basic info locked down. MKSAP and boards basics many times thru, with active notetaking and reviewing can do that. Good luck to all.

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A lot of people have been writing about failing the ABIM. I am one of those people who failed, studied, and passed the test this year. I wanted to share my experience in the hopes that this helps those who failed the exam. The first time, I took the test, I scored in the bottom decile. The second time around, I got the seventh decile. I was proud of this improvement. I worked as a full-time hospitalist during that year and was still able to accomplish this. So here are my tips and pointers.

1. Take your own pulse. Immediately after the test I was devastated. I questioned by own abilities and wondered how this might affect my career. This thinking is self-defeating and unhelpful. This test does NOT measure your abilities as a physician or your worth as a person. It is important to realize that the best doctors are hard-working, detail-oriented and compassionate towards their patients. The ability to recall the SAAG cutoffs rarely will affect life and death. However, your commitment to patient care and work ethic might. Also, it is very unlikely that this will affect your career. My group requires certification for partnership, but failing the test doesn't get you fired! Most groups have some policy in place (e.g., pass within three years of joining, etc). Right now, people can search and see that you're not certified, but once you pass the test, there will be no way for people to know about this. Your career will move on.

2. But do take an honest self-assessment. While this test is not a measure of physician excellence, it does measure SOMETHING. As others have pointed out, it is a relatively small number of questions that differentiates passing and non-passing scores. A small increase in medical knowledge can make the difference. In most cases, I think the test reveals that there was not enough learning and reviewing during residency. A brief cram session is inadequate if the basic knowledge is not there. In my case, I also had to face the fact that I was probably suffering from burnout and depression. While I don't think all shortcomings should be attributed to depression (a common habit in medicine programs), it is important to evaluate yourself for any symptoms of depression.

3. Realize that the ABIM is very different from the USMLE. Word recognition won't work! In the USMLE, questions can often be answered on recognition alone. If you recognize the condition, you can often answer the question easily. By contrast, the ABIM is testing confusing points or how to narrow a broad differential diagnosis. Knowing what they're testing can help you figure out the right answer.

4. Consider a review class. I took the Chicago ACP class. While expensive, it was very helpful preparation and review. They are good at showing you what points are tested. They can help you pick up easy points (e.g., derm pictures, peripheral smears, etc). Also, miserly loves company.

5. You need to use MKSAP. Some writers have recommended questions, questions, questions. I agree ... up to a point. If you failed the ABIM, there is a clear knowledge deficit (I'm not trying to offend; I'm just being honest). There is some information you need to know. I read each subject textbook twice and reviewed Board Basics multiple times. Highlight your underlines and underline your highlights.

6. Questions, Questions, Questions! I recommend using the computer version or MKSAP questions and creating multi-subject tests. Keep doing them until all questions are easy (>90% correct). When this is done, do some Med Study questions. Med Study tends to focus on tricky or easily-missed subjects. I recommend them in the weeks before the test to pick up some easy questions.

7. You need a plan. This will vary from person to person, but you need a plan. In my case, I work as a 7-on-7-off hospitalist. Studying during rounding weeks was almost impossible. So I focused on my off-days. I made sure that I spent a solid 2 hours every off day reading and doing questions. I have a family, so in my case, this meant going to a cafe so I could focus exclusively on my studying without distractions. Make sure you have time off from work in the weeks running into the test. I had a little under three weeks off, which seemed about right.

8. Don't forget to take care of yourself. When my studying was complete, I made sure to spend time with my family. I watched a little TV. I went to the gym. You can't let this take over your life.

9. Attitude matters. Don't be bitter or angry. If you can accept that this test has at least some meaning, then your studying will be much more enjoyable. If your belief is that the test is BS and the ABIM screwed you over, you will be miserable studying. And most likely, you'll fail the test again. If, however, you can accept that this information may be relevant and there is something for you to learn, the process will be much better. Tell yourself, "I may see this someday and this information may actually help my patient."

I hope this helps. Good luck to all of you

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sorry to create a new thread on the 2010 abim, but i thought this would be the best way for this info to be seen......

To be honest, i still do not have my official score as of yet, but when i took this years abim, i left feeling like i aced it.....now that it appears this was one of the harder versions of the ABIM, i would like to share with everyone who failed, how i prepared......

I actually graduated in 2009, but chose not to take the test right away since: 1) i was burned out, 2) i started my first job as a hospitalist 6 weeks before my scheduled exam in 2009.....therefore i ended up cancelling the test fearing that i would not pass......

fast forward to 2010, and i scheduled my test for aug 26th. I began my serious prep for this exam in june 2010. The first two challenges i faced was that i was working full time and my wife was due with our first child in early september......

I put in on avg, 2hrs a night during the weekdays, and about 4-6hrs a day on the weekend.

The main text i used was ACPS BOARD BASCICS 2. I cannot emphasize how important this text is. The normal mksap text is way too much info and med study to be honest is way to dense(and also has alot of board irrelevant material)

Board bascis 2 was awesome. very conscise, easy to read(you can read through it completely in about 3 days) and most importantly was the most board relevant text out there.

Also for questions i used all of mksap 14(which was not the lastest version). I would do all the questions, and then right notes on each question in a note book. I would then re-read the chapter(for example on heme-onc) in board basics, then re-read my notes, then repeat taking the mksap questions. i would do this until i was knew all the testable facts in each subject. of course you eventually "memorize" the anwsers, but what this does is that you memorize a testable fact.

I ended up reading board basics 2 from cover to cover over about 5 times. and did the all of mksap questions several times as well.

as i got closer to to the test date, i had a very old acp Question CD( i think from 2005), and i would use these questions(since they were brand new to me) to gauge how well i was doing. i was scoring above 80% on avg. i only took these questions once.

As many posts hint at, when i took the abim, the first 2 blocks were very easy and the afternoon blocks became increasingly harder...however as i left the test center, i felt very confident i passed. at least with the first 2 blocks, i felt i only missed 2-3 questions on avg in those blocks....

Trust me i have never been a good standardized test taker. i did very avg on all three step exams to be honest...i was shocked at how easy the whole test felt...also was shocked that alot people were saying it was hard(this of course made me very scared....any time i think i do good, i usually fail.)

I really think what made me pass was the text i choose(board basics 2) and going over constantly the mksap questions. I personally think medstudy is even a waste of your precious study time.....i mean u could spend a week memorizing all the stuff contained in there charts and none of it showed up on the abims....

also what helped me big time was making a very easy algorithm about cardiac murmurs... there is a good 5-10 questions on this stuff, and if u memorize a simple algorithm it becomes very easy...

i hope this post was not to long winded. but i wrote in sincere hope that whoever failed this year, can use the above info to beat the **** out of the test next year.....

i may post my algorithm, and other pneumonics that helped me along the way later....

if i leave you with anything, it is get board basics 2.

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On last year's exam, you needed 70% correct to pass.
Good News-- I Passed!! Bad news--barely. I'm not proud of my numbers but it should help others in knowing what's needed. Standardized passing score was 370-- I received a 372!!!!! By the skin of my teeth!!! It calculated out to be 68% correct for me 140/205. Again I'd liked to have done better but now you all have a number to shoot for.
 
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Good News-- I Passed!! Bad news--barely. I'm not proud of my numbers but it should help others in knowing what's needed. Standardized passing score was 370-- I received a 372!!!!! By the skin of my teeth!!! It calculated out to be 68% correct for me 140/205. Again I'd liked to have done better but now you all have a number to shoot for.

wouldn't you know it... i scored 142/205. 69.3% correct. 369 overall score. Failed! How can I get more correct questions and fail the exam?
 
wouldn't you know it... i scored 142/205. 69.3% correct. 369 overall score. Failed! How can I get more correct questions and fail the exam?

If you add up the deciles, that is where your difference must be?!
 
That's strange! I got a horrible 137/205! Needless to say, I failed. Would you consider a score recheck?
 
If you add up the deciles, that is where your difference must be?!

You multiply the number of questions on each subject by the % correct, and each time it comes to almost a whole number. 15.98 = 16, 9.02 = 9, etc. That's how I got the 142.
 
You multiply the number of questions on each subject by the % correct, and each time it comes to almost a whole number. 15.98 = 16, 9.02 = 9, etc. That's how I got the 142.

If you add up the deciles at the right side and divide them by 10 and Gibyvette does the same calculation, who has the higher number ?
 
wouldn't you know it... i scored 142/205. 69.3% correct. 369 overall score. Failed! How can I get more correct questions and fail the exam?

Got 138/205 correct, failed. Still don't believe it since I was very confident with my performance after the exam. Did MKSAP 14 and 15 questions,almost remember answers and keypoints for every questions, and found lots of similar questions in the real exam. STILL FAILED.

First exam failure in my life.
 
I don't think adding up the deciles is as important as the # of correct questions. For example, I got 92% correct on Nephrology, but there were only 12 questions. So even thought this was the 8th decile, which is great, it's not weighted nearly as much as Cardiology.
 
I don't think adding up the deciles is as important as the # of correct questions. For example, I got 92% correct on Nephrology, but there were only 12 questions. So even thought this was the 8th decile, which is great, it's not weighted nearly as much as Cardiology.
I think you are right, but what other reason could explain that a higher % question, results in a lower overall score?
 
I expect that Gibbyvette's calculations above are off. I would predict that 143/205 = 69.8% is the minimum passing score. This would be consistant with last year's exam. Since the ABIM report doesn't actually list the actual raw score, it's easy to round the numbers the wrong way or add them incorrectly.

If not, then there are only a few possibilities:

1. Some questions are worth more than others. If the questions are weighted differently, then two people with the same raw score could have different scaled scores.

2. Some questions are "test questions" and aren't used for actual scoring. This is similar to reason #1, but simply that some of the questions "don't count". This again would be differing weights for some questions, and yield different scaled scores.

3. Some "form difference" in exams -- i.e. if the exam you took and the person next to you took were actually different to avoid cheating (Note this would be different questions, not just the same questions in a different order). Each exam might have it's own scaled/raw calculation.

4. Math error.

Note that NONE of these is likely. In fact, I'd say that none of them is even possible. But they are the only likely answers once the obvious one is excluded: that someone miscalculated their raw score.
 
wouldn't you know it... i scored 142/205. 69.3% correct. 369 overall score. Failed! How can I get more correct questions and fail the exam?

If not, then there are only a few possibilities:

1. Some questions are worth more than others. If the questions are weighted differently, then two people with the same raw score could have different scaled scores.

2. Some questions are "test questions" and aren't used for actual scoring. This is similar to reason #1, but simply that some of the questions "don't count". This again would be differing weights for some questions, and yield different scaled scores.

3. Some "form difference" in exams -- i.e. if the exam you took and the person next to you took were actually different to avoid cheating (Note this would be different questions, not just the same questions in a different order). Each exam might have it's own scaled/raw calculation.

4. Math error.

Note that NONE of these is likely. In fact, I'd say that none of them is even possible. But they are the only likely answers once the obvious one is excluded: that someone miscalculated their raw score.


As always, aProgDirector is right.

I believe ABIM uses Item Response Theory (IRT) to help determine scores. Based on data done during pre-testing, as well as committee work (to determine the minimum criteria that a borderline candidate would pass), each question is assigned a level of difficulty. IRT takes into account the differences in difficulty of test questions and uses statistical properties of each test questions, and your pattern of correct and incorrect responses, to calculate a score. So if you had more difficult questions than your friend (who took it on a different day), your scores should be comparable because they have been calculated taking difficulty levels, as well as other item statistics, into consideration. IRT scoring ensures that scores and pass or fail decisions based on scores from different Examination forms are comparable.

The score that it calculates is compared to the minimum passing score (that was pre-determined by the ABIM). If your score reaches the minimum passing score (or higher), then you pass. If your score doesn't reach the minimum passing score, then you do not pass.

You may have had more percent correct but the derived score (after the computer plays with statistics) may be lower (and not reach the minimum threshold to pass) than someone with a lower percent correct but have a higher derived score (that mets or surpasses the minimum threshold to pass).

*this, and re-checking the data for consistency, as well as investigate any statistical anomalies (such as a difficulty question with lots of people getting right, or an easy question that had a lot of people get wrong) is why there is a delay between taking the test and receiving the score.
 
That's strange! I got a horrible 137/205! Needless to say, I failed. Would you consider a score recheck?
No, I think don't , it will be just another paycheck to abim…as someone posted earlier it's useless..looks like you got very close 137/205… and you need 143/205.. like 6 questions more..just nail it next time..that's my opinion…best of luck in 2012
 
As always, aProgDirector is right.

I believe ABIM uses Item Response Theory (IRT) to help determine scores. Based on data done during pre-testing, as well as committee work (to determine the minimum criteria that a borderline candidate would pass), each question is assigned a level of difficulty. IRT takes into account the differences in difficulty of test questions and uses statistical properties of each test questions, and your pattern of correct and incorrect responses, to calculate a score. So if you had more difficult questions than your friend (who took it on a different day), your scores should be comparable because they have been calculated taking difficulty levels, as well as other item statistics, into consideration. IRT scoring ensures that scores and pass or fail decisions based on scores from different Examination forms are comparable.

The score that it calculates is compared to the minimum passing score (that was pre-determined by the ABIM). If your score reaches the minimum passing score (or higher), then you pass. If your score doesn't reach the minimum passing score, then you do not pass.

You may have had more percent correct but the derived score (after the computer plays with statistics) may be lower (and not reach the minimum threshold to pass) than someone with a lower percent correct but have a higher derived score (that mets or surpasses the minimum threshold to pass).

*this, and re-checking the data for consistency, as well as investigate any statistical anomalies (such as a difficulty question with lots of people getting right, or an easy question that had a lot of people get wrong) is why there is a delay between taking the test and receiving the score.

Great info about the IRT, thanks!
 
As always, aProgDirector is right.

I believe ABIM uses Item Response Theory (IRT) to help determine scores. Based on data done during pre-testing, as well as committee work (to determine the minimum criteria that a borderline candidate would pass), each question is assigned a level of difficulty. IRT takes into account the differences in difficulty of test questions and uses statistical properties of each test questions, and your pattern of correct and incorrect responses, to calculate a score. So if you had more difficult questions than your friend (who took it on a different day), your scores should be comparable because they have been calculated taking difficulty levels, as well as other item statistics, into consideration. IRT scoring ensures that scores and pass or fail decisions based on scores from different Examination forms are comparable.

The score that it calculates is compared to the minimum passing score (that was pre-determined by the ABIM). If your score reaches the minimum passing score (or higher), then you pass. If your score doesn't reach the minimum passing score, then you do not pass.

You may have had more percent correct but the derived score (after the computer plays with statistics) may be lower (and not reach the minimum threshold to pass) than someone with a lower percent correct but have a higher derived score (that mets or surpasses the minimum threshold to pass).

*this, and re-checking the data for consistency, as well as investigate any statistical anomalies (such as a difficulty question with lots of people getting right, or an easy question that had a lot of people get wrong) is why there is a delay between taking the test and receiving the score.
Agree with the statement above.
Unfortunately, we really don't know what 370 means…
…basically out of 240, 35 questions were just a waste of our energy (which 35 is only known to abim). Next is the fact that everybody needs to achieve some magic score of 370 that does not correlate with the number of correct questions that we answer (for some people it can be 140, for others 150) b.c. each question has a different score based on difficulty.
Therefore, in reality, we have no idea how our test is being scored as it is scored differently each year…also..we will never find out the required % of so called the "easiest" questions (or questions that majority would get right this year) that we need to answer correctly in order to get that magic triple number of 370 (b.c. it differs each year.)
Conclusion: we have no idea how this test is scored each year…I maybe got 140 out of 205 and passed; and you maybe got 144 out of 205 and failed, b.c. I guessed on some of the questions that you and the majority could not guess right…very sad statistics in my opinion…just because abim "decides" this question is less difficult than the other, someone should fail, and someone else can pass…as you see your report states "overall pass-fail decision"… abim's decision…I wonder what would be the passing rate if all the questions were considered equal and if I did my 35 known not-for-score questions voluntarily at the end of the test and maybe even for a fee? I bet majority would pass than!
 
For those who wish (like me) to dwell on a subject of how our abim test is scored take a look at the abim slides below…

http://projects.coe.uga.edu/jtemplin/files/irt/irt07abim/irt07abim_lecture12.pdf

Key points of abim’s IRT:
-not all questions contribute equally
-some questions are more difficult than others
-the essence of IRT is to omit the raw score:idea:!

The only question is then: why abim does not provide us with examples of hard vs easy questions so we can gain more understanding of how actually this test is scored?
 
…basically out of 240, 35 questions were just a waste of our energy (which 35 is only known to abim).

Not "waste of energy" - your responses to those sample questions (which questions were "sample questions" we may never know) go into the statistical algorithm for those questions - thus giving ABIM statistical data for those sets of questions. ABIM will then know if a particular question is hard or not based on how many people got the question right, and how many "board certified" examinees were able to get it right versus how many "non-board certified" examinees were able to get it right. Eventually, these sample questions will make it into the pool of real questions that will count (of course, some of these sample questions will never make it to the pool of real questions for one reason or another, such as being too hard, etc)

Believe it or not, Item Response Theory is used in a lot of exams that you are familiar with - USMLE, MCAT, GRE, GMAT, SAT, etc.
 
what's so frustrating is being right at that 16th percentile for 1st time test takers, with a 369. 84% pass rate this year, which is the lowest it's been for a number of years. take any of the previous 5 years with this score and it would have been a pass.

How can there be a 94% pass rate one year, and an 84% pass rate another year?
 
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Not "waste of energy" - your responses to those sample questions (which questions were "sample questions" we may never know) go into the statistical algorithm for those questions - thus giving ABIM statistical data for those sets of questions. ABIM will then know if a particular question is hard or not based on how many people got the question right, and how many "board certified" examinees were able to get it right versus how many "non-board certified" examinees were able to get it right. Eventually, these sample questions will make it into the pool of real questions that will count (of course, some of these sample questions will never make it to the pool of real questions for one reason or another, such as being too hard, etc)

Believe it or not, Item Response Theory is used in a lot of exams that you are familiar with - USMLE, MCAT, GRE, GMAT, SAT, etc.

Really good explanation, thanks.
 
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I expect that Gibbyvette's calculations above are off. I would predict that 143/205 = 69.8% is the minimum passing score. This would be consistant with last year's exam. Since the ABIM report doesn't actually list the actual raw score, it's easy to round the numbers the wrong way or add them incorrectly.

Now now, is simple math yet I recalculated none the less------- Definitely 140/205 so the other ideas above must be correct!! 😱
 
I also failed with a higher percent correct... 141 / 205 = 68.8%.
 
As always, aProgDirector is right.

Although this makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside...

INote that NONE of these is likely. In fact, I'd say that none of them is even possible. But they are the only likely answers once the obvious one is excluded: that someone miscalculated their raw score.

... I am obviously wrong here.

Now now, is simple math yet I recalculated none the less------- Definitely 140/205 so the other ideas above must be correct!! 😱

Sorry, buddy.
 
I'm sorry. By the way I also got the same, 140/205 and failed. Let's forget about this and move on. I'd be happy to share my experience with you guys and prepare for next year so we WILL pass.
Would you be interested in reviewing some topics as a group?

My email is [email protected]

Thank you.
 
I also failed with a higher percent correct... 141 / 205 = 68.8%.
This is all great information and should help future test takers. It looks to me that if you are in the low 70 % range during test prep, things might get too close in the real exam...
If the questions are really weighted differently (easy vs difficult per IRT), then it would be good if examples would be given beforehand: difficult vs easy (based on previous test results)!?
 
For those who failed:

We can discussed topics and share experience in http://www.prep4abim.com/

We cannot post different topics in this forum. We have to get motivation to study for next year ABIM.

MOTIVATION, MOTIVATION..
 
Anyone have any materials (audio, DVD etc) they want to sell? Thanks
 
For those of you who passed who plan on specializing, do you think it will be a one and done deal with the internal medicine boards or do you think you will plan to keep re-certifying every 10 years in general IM even though you have your specialty board?

It seems like it would be a big pain in the rump to have to keep up with general IM to certify in 10 years while practicing a very focused specialty.
 
For those of you who passed who plan on specializing, do you think it will be a one and done deal with the internal medicine boards or do you think you will plan to keep re-certifying every 10 years in general IM even though you have your specialty board?

It seems like it would be a big pain in the rump to have to keep up with general IM to certify in 10 years while practicing a very focused specialty.

Hellz to tha no. Unless I have to do it for credentialing purposes. Mercifully I have 10 years before I have to worry about this.

If I was a CCM, ID, Renal, Rheum or Endo doc I think it would be a good idea. But I'm an oncologist who focuses on metastatic GI cancers. I couldn't possibly care less about long-term management of DM2 and HTN.

It's only recently that this was an option though (I don't know the exact time frame but it's been since I started fellowship that it appears to have changed). Most of my attendings maintain dual certification because it used to be a requirement that in order to hold an ABIM sub-specialty certification you also had to be BC in IM.
 
I just started studying for ABIM boards, which I take in August 2012. I have done endocrine, rheumatology and IM questions (all of which I am scoring 65-70%). I just started studying. Can anyone tell me if these are decent MKSAP scores this early in the studying process? If not, what scores should I be getting at this point?
Also, my program provided us with mksap books and questions. But they only provided us with the medstudy books. Should I also spend the money to buy the medstudy questions??
Thanks in advance!
 
I just started studying for ABIM boards, which I take in August 2012. I have done endocrine, rheumatology and IM questions (all of which I am scoring 65-70%). I just started studying. Can anyone tell me if these are decent MKSAP scores this early in the studying process? If not, what scores should I be getting at this point?
Also, my program provided us with mksap books and questions. But they only provided us with the medstudy books. Should I also spend the money to buy the medstudy questions??
Thanks in advance!

Those scores are probably fine this early in the game. I was rocking 75% my 2nd time through and passed (although not with flying colors or anything). As long as you improve, you'll be fine.

I can't speak to the Medstudy/MKSAP issue but I basically only did the MKSAP questions and (again), passed. Others have said the Medstudy ?s were a lot closer to the real thing...the MKSAP ?s seemed to have nothing at all to do with the actual exam. So perhaps it's worth ponying up for them.
 
What is the best Board Review Course ...Awesome or ACP? Anybody can post experiences? Have failed twice 1st time barely a few days of study and second time about 2 months while doing a fellowship: Underestimated exam big time, plan to beat it in 2012, going to start studying in the next couple of weeks, pl advise.
Thanks
 
I have the mksap 15 online but do not have the mksap 15 complete. How do I get the MKSAP update? I would think it would come with the mksap 15(for how much we pay for these) but it doesnt. How do I get the latest changes in practice (like using hgba1c rather than fasting glucose levels to diagnose diabetes).
thanks!
 
I just found out today that I passed the ABIM recertification for Internal medicine with a focused practice in hospital medicine board exam. I had passed Step 1 through Step 3 with flying colors and actually laughed when taking the ABIM certification exam for internal medicine 10 years. I thought it was easy and every case or situation on the test I felt I had seen or managed during my Mayo clinic residency. Now fast foward 10 years later, I have been practicing and making money and really not reading books or journals much at all.. I have been a hospitalist for the last 7 years so I decided to recertify in IM by taking the new Hospital medicine boards which just started in Fall 2010. One big problem, since it is a new board exam there are no study guides or review courses specifically for the HM boards. All the study guides are for the IM boards. I was very worried and afraid that I could fail a board exam for the first time in career as I wad 10 years removed from my superb training at Mayo. Now I will give u the big secret to pass the IM or HM boards. No I did not use MKSAP at all. I took a big gamble a read no textbooks at all.. What I did is recall what I used 13 years ago in medical school with success, that is First Aid for the Boards(internal medicine)the current 2010 edition. I had great success with it for step 1 thru step 3. The book is just over 600 pages and covers every IM subspecialty including psych, dermatology, ambulatory med, womens health, hospital med and critical care. Compare that to trying to read mayo board review book which is 1,400 pages.. The book contains only high yield facts and gives you pertinent diff dx, exam findings, work up and current treatment guidelines.. A lot pictures and exams on the exam were in this book. Also, a lot zebras that were tested I read in First Aid. Because of the big letters and easy read I was able to recall things well and could see the section I read in my head when I encountered cases on the test. For a book that cost only $50 on amazon.com I would not have passed if I didn't read it. Also I would not have recalled as much if I had read a big textbook like mayo. Now reading First Aid was just the foundation and FA has no questions at all. To learn how to take test and learn how to think like the test writers you must do questions. I did about 1,200 questions only..I did all the questions in mayo board review book and a lot of the principles were tested on my exam.. This enhanced my critical thinking skills and boarden my differential and exam finding recognition on the exam. Also, I used the medstudy question disc. It has over 500 high yield questions from all the IM subspecialties as well as opthalmology, derm and psych.. it helped my with thinking like the ABIM and test taking skills as well as high yield facts.. For the added part of the Hospital medicine component I just obtained articles on patient safety, core measures, transitions of care, JACHO policies and quality improvement from the Internet and SHM website.. So in a nutshell, if I could pass my HM using these IM focused materials us guys who are preparing for the IM boards or who are having problems passing the IM boards could try my method.
 
I just found out today that I passed the ABIM recertification for Internal medicine with a focused practice in hospital medicine board exam. I had passed Step 1 through Step 3 with flying colors and actually laughed when taking the ABIM certification exam for internal medicine 10 years. I thought it was easy and every case or situation on the test I felt I had seen or managed during my Mayo clinic residency. Now fast foward 10 years later, I have been practicing and making money and really not reading books or journals much at all.. I have been a hospitalist for the last 7 years so I decided to recertify in IM by taking the new Hospital medicine boards which just started in Fall 2010. One big problem, since it is a new board exam there are no study guides or review courses specifically for the HM boards. All the study guides are for the IM boards. I was very worried and afraid that I could fail a board exam for the first time in career as I wad 10 years removed from my superb training at Mayo. Now I will give u the big secret to pass the IM or HM boards. No I did not use MKSAP at all. I took a big gamble a read no textbooks at all.. What I did is recall what I used 13 years ago in medical school with success, that is First Aid for the Boards(internal medicine)the current 2010 edition. I had great success with it for step 1 thru step 3. The book is just over 600 pages and covers every IM subspecialty including psych, dermatology, ambulatory med, womens health, hospital med and critical care. Compare that to trying to read mayo board review book which is 1,400 pages.. The book contains only high yield facts and gives you pertinent diff dx, exam findings, work up and current treatment guidelines.. A lot pictures and exams on the exam were in this book. Also, a lot zebras that were tested I read in First Aid. Because of the big letters and easy read I was able to recall things well and could see the section I read in my head when I encountered cases on the test. For a book that cost only $50 on amazon.com I would not have passed if I didn't read it. Also I would not have recalled as much if I had read a big textbook like mayo. Now reading First Aid was just the foundation and FA has no questions at all. To learn how to take test and learn how to think like the test writers you must do questions. I did about 1,200 questions only..I did all the questions in mayo board review book and a lot of the principles were tested on my exam.. This enhanced my critical thinking skills and boarden my differential and exam finding recognition on the exam. Also, I used the medstudy question disc. It has over 500 high yield questions from all the IM subspecialties as well as opthalmology, derm and psych.. it helped my with thinking like the ABIM and test taking skills as well as high yield facts.. For the added part of the Hospital medicine component I just obtained articles on patient safety, core measures, transitions of care, JACHO policies and quality improvement from the Internet and SHM website.. So in a nutshell, if I could pass my HM using these IM focused materials us guys who are preparing for the IM boards or who are having problems passing the IM boards could try my method.

Did you also smoke a lot of crack while studying for it, or just while you were writing this?
 
Is there anyone who took the course recently and also has seen the DVDs.
I was trying to figure out how different the taped lectures on DVDs would be from the live lectures (specially since the instructors for the Dallas course in May are the same as the DVD people).
I am planning on buying the MedStudy Qs but unsure if I will gain anything by going to the course vs watching it on DVD.
Any input would help, since I need to register for it in the next couple of weeks

Thanks
 
Same Here. looking to buy review materials


ebay, amazon, and of course, torrents if you dont mind. i bought mine from craigs list pretty cheap.

I gave away my medstudy books and i have the mksap 15 qs program that everybody has , but im sure you can copy them from your library litle by little and save some $$( im cheap, i know).
 
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