abpm vs abipp certification?

[huskyshiba]

I am a PM&R graduate of an unaccredited interventional pain program. I know neither of these boards are ABMS certified, and am interested in pursuing a certification as an additional credential for my CV. I was wondering other people's thoughts/reasoning for applying for one versus the other, or both, or neither. Appreciate your thoughts!

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[Dr. Ice]

I am a PM&R graduate of an unaccredited interventional pain program. I know neither of these boards are ABMS certified, and am interested in pursuing a certification as an additional credential for my CV. I was wondering other people's thoughts/reasoning for applying for one versus the other, or both, or neither. Appreciate your thoughts!

Oh boy..this will get interesting on here.

The schools of thought on this forum are going to be...

1)private practice is dead so anyone who wants to do spine procedures is going to need to be credentialed by a hospital because the hospitals are going to rule the world and they won’t credential you without abms pain certification..but they will allow the NPs and PAs do them without the certification because it’s cheap labor
2) the insurance companies won’t pay for you to do spine injections without abms certification and it’s already happening out west
3) many states don’t even recognize abpm or asipp so don’t even bother

My advice is to be the best “musculoskeletal provider” you can be outside of spine in case or when #1 and 2 are the rule

 

[Gauss]

depends on what state you practice in and what credentialing rules apply at your place of employment or where you plan to perform procedures
ABPM Recognition
Americ Board of Interventional Pain Physicians

 

[NJPAIN]

I am a PM&R graduate of an unaccredited interventional pain program. I know neither of these boards are ABMS certified, and am interested in pursuing a certification as an additional credential for my CV. I was wondering other people's thoughts/reasoning for applying for one versus the other, or both, or neither. Appreciate your thoughts!

First I truly wish you much success.
My opinion on these certifications is that they are BS. It's ABMS certification or nothing just like EVERY OTHER MEDICAL SPECIALTY. However, if you are in a market competing against people with these letters after their names perhaps you may want to have them.

 

[drusso]

I am a PM&R graduate of an unaccredited interventional pain program. I know neither of these boards are ABMS certified, and am interested in pursuing a certification as an additional credential for my CV. I was wondering other people's thoughts/reasoning for applying for one versus the other, or both, or neither. Appreciate your thoughts!

Neither. Go back and do a ACGME-accredited pain fellowship or just call yourself a interventional spine specialist.

 

[SSdoc33]

not needed. credentialing process does not involve these pieces of paper. i suppose you could use wither for marketing purposes, but in reality, they mean very little.

 

[Gauss]

not needed. credentialing process does not involve these pieces of paper. i suppose you could use wither for marketing purposes, but in reality, they mean very little.

they do mean a lot for med-mal and med-legal purposes
credentialing can also be capricious with re-credentialing periods of every 2 years that may yield unexpected new obstacles in order to maintain your ability to perform procedures

 

[SSdoc33]

they do mean a lot for med-mal and med-legal purposes
credentialing can also be capricious with re-credentialing periods of every 2 years that may yield unexpected new obstacles in order to maintain your ability to perform procedures

you are aware of specific examples of this? med-mal/legal can mean a lot of things.

also, you know of specific instances where having ABIPP or AMBS allowed a doc to maintain credentialing?

 

[pastafan]

you are aware of specific examples of this? med-mal/legal can mean a lot of things.

also, you know of specific instances where having ABIPP or AMBS allowed a doc to maintain credentialing?

I know of a local hospital system that ACGME, ABIPP or ABPM plus primary board certification to be credentialed for interventional pain.

 

[Gauss]

you are aware of specific examples of this? med-mal/legal can mean a lot of things.

also, you know of specific instances where having ABIPP or AMBS allowed a doc to maintain credentialing?

yes - a "board certified specialist" means a lot in the legal arena whether you are treating, expert, or defendant

yes - it mostly depends on the preferences of the department chief, chair, or director but risk management wants a state approved board cert in the specialty/subspecialty for CYA purposes. If ABMS, ABPM, or ABIPP is considered a valid board cert by the state, then credentialing more than likely can't be denied or else you'll end up with a restraint of trade lawsuit

 

[bedrock]

I know of a local hospital system that ACGME, ABIPP or ABPM plus primary board certification to be credentialed for interventional pain.

It only matters if you are employed by the hospital.
If you work in PP and do your procedures in office or in private ASC, then no ACGME certification needed.

 

[Ducttape]

It only matters if you are employed by the hospital.
If you work in PP and do your procedures in office or in private ASC, then no ACGME certification needed.

not necessarily true - you still need to get on insurance panels. if there is a competitive market, insurance companies may cherry pick based on credentials.

 

[Dr. Ice]

To the original poster...the conversation has transpired close to what I mentioned it would..

 

[bedrock]

not necessarily true - you still need to get on insurance panels. if there is a competitive market, insurance companies may cherry pick based on credentials.

Where?
I know three PMR colleagues who do intervention spine fellowships, got ABPM boards afterwards and now are on every i insurance panel they wanted in Chicago, NYC, and Atlanta.

 

[swamprat]

Yeah a buddy of mine who I work with which is way more experienced than me is PMR interventional spine trained he worked for hospital systems in NY and had no problem credentialing. He is boarded with the ABPM.

 

[Ducttape]

Where?
I know three PMR colleagues who do intervention spine fellowships, got ABPM boards afterwards and now are on every i insurance panel they wanted in Chicago, NYC, and Atlanta.

sorry, misread your post and I took it to mean that you thought that no board certification at all was required. my bad.

 

[bedrock]

sorry, misread your post and I took it to mean that you thought that no board certification at all was required. my bad.

No worries