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[medddental]

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[SirBrotherJam]

Depends on your reason and what steps were taken after. Honestly, just consider that you have a dds/dmd and be happy. I find it highly unlikely that you would get much traction if you applied given how competitive most applicants are and they didn’t cheat.

 

[medddental]

anyone have any other opinions on this?

 

[SuxDrugs&Rocuronium]

What was the academic dishonesty for? And when was it? During dental school or undergrad?

 

[medddental]

What was the academic dishonesty for? And when was it? During dental school or undergrad?

Messaged!

 

[medddental]

Any other thoughts? Are there any program directors on here?

 

[Saddleshoes]

hi, how do dental residency program directors look at suspensions for academic dishonesty on applications? considered to be minor ethical infractions….
thank you

When a program has 20+ young dentists vying for 4 or 5 residency slots, a negative finding of any kind makes it easy to drop a candidate from consideration.

 

[medddental]

When a program has 20+ young dentists vying for 4 or 5 residency slots, a negative finding of any kind makes it easy to drop a candidate from consideration.

Are you a resident?

 

[medddental]

@nade0016 @HowsYourFather

Could I get your opinion please?
Is severity of infractions considered at all? Thanks.
Very very minor violations even according to the school

 

[Smileartist2024]

Apply and find out, don’t harass people on here

 

[medddental]

Apply and find out, don’t harass people on here

How is that harassment…. ? Please watch how you phrase things. Stop feeling comfortable misconstruing things just because you are sitting behind your phone

 

[Furman11]

I think that applying and finding out is likely the best option. Maybe you'll get an acceptance. What specialty are you thinking? Perhaps write about the situation in your personal statement to give the programs more clarity on the situation.

 

[deleted1047421]

In life anything is negotiable and possible.

I’ve seen dentists, specialists lose their licenses and get it back.

It’s great that your messaging program directors like Nade etc.
you need to also realize that many specialty programs (at least for omfs) the rising chiefs will be screening and reviewing the applications before they even get to the chairman’s desk. Basically the chair and program director will agree with whatever the rising chiefs say. These programs also let all residents have a say and they can veto anyone they want.

Do I think you can get in ? Absolutely. But you have to ask yourself. What are you bringing to the table ? If you’re an average Joe blow applicant vs another applicant with no black record then why would they accept you ?

 

[nade0016]

@nade0016 @HowsYourFather

Could I get your opinion please?
Is severity of infractions considered at all? Thanks.
Very very minor violations even according to the school

I usually dont look at that section of PASS application. If you can explain it well in a few sentences I would not worry about it.

 

[medddental]

I usually dont look at that section of PASS application. If you can explain it well in a few sentences I would not worry about it.

Thank you Dr.
I appreciate your insight, I will PM you if ok

 

[Big Time Hoosier]

Your application would almost certainly have been dead on arrival at my residency program.

I’m also having trouble understanding how you were suspended for academic dishonesty, and this was only for a “minor” ethical infraction?

Big Hoss

 

[Faefly]

your best bet is to apply after the match is over to a place who has tons of post match spots and hope for the best.
You can still apply now on pass, if you want, and explain what happened. You might get some invites.

 

[deleted1047421]

It depends on strong you are as an applicant.

Best case scenario there was a dumb mistake that happened in undergrad.
Dental school you scored well - good gpa and crushed the cbse etc (assuming it’s omfs). Had great letters of recommendation.
If you’re a top applicant things might turn out well for you.

Alternatively, the violation occurred during dental school. You’re not a strong applicant etc. then probably your chances are low.

My advice to you is to be the best possible student. 4.0 gpa, score the absolute highest on the cbse.
Position yourself as a model student. Join the student ethics committee (every dental school has this type of committee that overlooks unethical behavior etc). Be involved in groups like the CMDA. Make yourself look like a good citizen of society. Go to Guatemala and do some fillings on spring break.

 

[Big Time Hoosier]

It depends on strong you are as an applicant.

Best case scenario there was a dumb mistake that happened in undergrad.
Dental school you scored well - good gpa and crushed the cbse etc (assuming it’s omfs). Had great letters of recommendation.
If you’re a top applicant things might turn out well for you.

Alternatively, the violation occurred during dental school. You’re not a strong applicant etc. then probably your chances are low.

My advice to you is to be the best possible student. 4.0 gpa, score the absolute highest on the cbse.
Position yourself as a model student. Join the student ethics committee (every dental school has this type of committee that overlooks unethical behavior etc). Be involved in groups like the CMDA. Make yourself look like a good citizen of society. Go to Guatemala and do some fillings on spring break.

If someone has been caught cheating and they have a high GPA, it calls their GPA into question. Frankly, I wouldn’t be able to trust their GPA is an accurate reflection of them. Did they cheat only once and got caught? Did they cheat all the time and finally got caught? I wouldn’t be able to tell, so why take a chance on an applicant like this when I have plenty of others to look at that don’t have this record?

Also, if I were a program director, having a resident I can trust and count on is worth more than a high GPA. The last thing I’d want is a resident who’s going to cause me problems.

Big Hoss

 

[deleted1047421]

If someone has been caught cheating and they have a high GPA, it calls their GPA into question. Frankly, I wouldn’t be able to trust their GPA is an accurate reflection of them. Did they cheat only once and got caught? Did they cheat all the time and finally got caught? I wouldn’t be able to tell, so why take a chance on an applicant like this when I have plenty of others to look at that don’t have this record?

Also, if I were a program director, having a resident I can trust and count on is worth more than a high GPA. The last thing I’d want is a resident who’s going to cause me problems.

Big Hoss

I’m with you and agree completely what your saying.

I’ve reviewed many applications over the years. Believe me I’ve seen it. Residents kicked out of other omfs programs and reapply etc.

Everything you’re saying is valid.

However if the infraction is very minor and it happened a long time ago in undergrad - I do think people deserve a second chance. Again it depends on what happened. Also if they honorably did well in dental school and did well on the cbse that is way higher above their peers…
But if the problem occurred in dental school then I agree with you.

 

[yappy]

From an outsider, I think your best chance is developing a professional relationship with leadership at a program. Otherwise, it's too easy to dismiss your application.

Why accept the stranger with a documented character flaw when there are others without one? The only way I see overcoming that is if they know you.

 

[averageasian]

I can't think of a possible good reason for cheating.

At this level of education, it's unacceptable. How you got this far without realizing this, baffles me. When you cheat as a dentist, you get in massive trouble with the law and people's lives are at stake.

OP, sounds like you're trying to find someone to pat you on back and say everything is going to be okay. Maybe it will, maybe it wont.

I hope you learned your lesson. Best of luck.