Academic dishonesty

[Pnguyenvn]

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Two weeks ago I got called to the Judicial Affair for involve in working together on a physics lab. The lab were similar to my partner. For this reason I got a 0 on the lab but it has bring my semester gpa from 3.85 to 3.5. All my hopes for dental school are shatter. I am now nowhere know what to do. My science GPA has been go down from 4.0 to 3.75 (taken 12 science credits) . I am hoping that this won't go on my academic record and would affect my chance applying to dental school.

 

[darknightzzz]

Two weeks ago I got called to the Judicial Affair for involve in working together on a physics lab. The lab were similar to my partner. For this reason I got a 0 on the lab but it has bring my semester gpa from 3.85 to 3.5. All my hopes for dental school are shatter. I am now nowhere know what to do. My science GPA has been go down from 4.0 to 3.75 (taken 12 science credits) . I am hoping that this won't go on my academic record and would affect my chance applying to dental school.

ur status says pre-med and ur post says pre-dental? what is up?

what school is this? what is ur standing? im guessing you are a freshmen for the mere physics lab to drop ur GPA that much.

its ok, as long as there is no charge involved, a B or C wont break the deal

 

[Pnguyenvn]

I decided to switch to dental since beginning of the semester after I make the account on here. This summer I try to get dental experience in the clinic to see whether I would like it or not. I am having a 3.88 fall semester and this semester due to getting a D in physics lab cause my gpa to drop from 3.85 to 3.5. I was called up to the dean and the give me the letter and allow me to appeal by sending a letter to the president, but I guess the president will follow the Judicial Affair action. I felt this situation will get get me an " Institutional Action(IA)" on my record. Anyway I feared that dental school will decline me if I have academic dishonesty on file. And serious we got caught for working together as a partner...

 

[Hannah Banana]

I decided to switch to dental since beginning of the semester after I make the account on here. This summer I try to get dental experience in the clinic to see whether I would like it or not. I am having a 3.88 fall semester and this semester due to getting a D in physics lab cause my gpa to drop from 3.85 to 3.5. I was called up to the dean and the give me the letter and allow me to appeal by sending a letter to the president, but I guess the president will follow the Judicial Affair action. I felt this situation will get get me an " Institutional Action(IA)" on my record. Anyway I feared that dental school will decline me if I have academic dishonesty on file. And serious we got caught for working together as a partner...

What do you mean working together as a partner? On the experiment or on the report? Usually if they did something like this, it is serious.
You don't have to worry too much about GPAs in your case.
Try to see if there is anything you can do to not have it on your record and be very careful in the future. I might be paranoid but I was hesitant to let my lab partners see my work/report because you never know. Better be safe than having your future ruined.
Good luck friend!

 

[postpitadh]

Learn from your mistakes and improve from here on out! Cheating happens a lot in college, but it is unethical and as future dentists, we are called to a higher standard. Remember that your GPA is only a part of your application. Explore some clubs and involve yourself in something you're passionate about.

 

[Pnguyenvn]

What do you mean working together as a partner? On the experiment or on the report? Usually if they did something like this, it is serious.
You don't have to worry too much about GPAs in your case.
Try to see if there is anything you can do to not have it on your record and be very careful in the future. I might be paranoid but I was hesitant to let my lab partners see my work/report because you never know. Better be safe than having your future ruined.
Good luck friend!

We work together on the lab report. I calculated my gpa for the future. It might be little hard to recover from this D. Now i just hope this won't go on my record or else I am screw forever.

 

[I want to go to there]

We work together on the lab report. I calculated my gpa for the future. It might be little hard to recover from this D. Now i just hope this won't go on my record or else I am screw forever.

Time to just change career goal to flip burgers at McDonald's.

 

[Pnguyenvn]

Time to just change career goal to flip burgers at McDonald's.

forrealz lol.

 

[tooth knockn]

Time to just change career goal to flip burgers at McDonald's.

Or worse,

A dental assistant

 

[DentalDoge]

12 credits? Must be a freshmen.

I dont understand why working together on a lab report would be academic dishonesty. In our science labs, we usually turn in 1 report per group. Unless your lab instructor expected you to work with someone for lab and not expect you to work with them for the lab report...thats just weird.

Do your best to try to appeal the charges, a mark on your record won't be a deal breaker if you come clean with it. But it's better to not have the mark on your record at all.

 

[darknightzzz]

12 credits? Must be a freshmen.

I dont understand why working together on a lab report would be academic dishonesty. In our science labs, we usually turn in 1 report per group. Unless your lab instructor expected you to work with someone for lab and not expect you to work with them for the lab report...thats just weird.

Do your best to try to appeal the charges, a mark on your record won't be a deal breaker if you come clean with it. But it's better to not have the mark on your record at all.

working together = perfectly okay. submitting same worded interpretation = academic dishonesty.

 

[Pnguyenvn]

working together = perfectly okay. submitting same worded interpretation = academic dishonesty.

well yeah it was similar over all because we each of us only did 1/3 of the lab. At the end we print out three labs look similarly. If this situation cause me not able to get into dental school I would be so sad.

 

[Pnguyenvn]

12 credits? Must be a freshmen.

I dont understand why working together on a lab report would be academic dishonesty. In our science labs, we usually turn in 1 report per group. Unless your lab instructor expected you to work with someone for lab and not expect you to work with them for the lab report...thats just weird.

Do your best to try to appeal the charges, a mark on your record won't be a deal breaker if you come clean with it. But it's better to not have the mark on your record at all.

The TA doesnt mention until the 2nd week of the lab. My partner and I just split up the portion of the lab. At the end we printed out three labs look similar and we get caught. On top of that week we were busy with exams and regular assignment. This is so suck to get caught and I felt like the TA is overdoing it.

 

[Loyoladentalman15]

well yeah it was similar over all because we each of us only did 1/3 of the lab. At the end we print out three labs look similarly. If this situation cause me not able to get into dental school I would be so sad.

So let me get this straight bud.
You and your partner split up the work and then turned it in? You didnt bother to go change the wording or anything?

 

[strep mutans]

You've said you got "caught" multiple times, so I'm assuming you knew what you were doing was wrong.

In all of my science labs since high school, it was made clear that lab partners were to help each other gather the raw data in the lab, but that reports were to be completed separately (unless turning in one report for the whole group). Maybe you were unaware of this requirement, but it seems like you knew. Saying you guys were super busy that week does not evoke any sympathy.

 

[strep mutans]

This is so suck to get caught and I felt like the TA is overdoing it.

Also, you have not mentioned any remorse for your actions. You don't sound sorry that you cheated, you sound sorry that you got caught.

I've graded stacks of lab reports before, and I've turned in students for handing in almost identical reports. It's insulting to your grader. Either you think I'm too apathetic to actually read your report, or you think I'm too apathetic to care that it's obviously not original work. (Or you think I'm too stupid to notice.) When you spend hours of your own life trying to help others learn what it means to write a decent lab report, you'll understand the frustration of "didn't I just read this one?" It's also not fair to students who do their own work in its entirety.

Anyway, I hope you've learned your lesson. Usually syllabi have information regarding academic integrity and what constitutes cheating/plagiarism for the course. When in doubt, ask. Do your best from here on out; it's not the end of the world but it might make your goal harder to achieve. Would've been better to just spend the extra few hours to do it yourself, huh?

 

[Loyoladentalman15]

It shouldn't keep you out of dental school. However, if this keeps happening be aware that some adcoms read SDN. I really hope for your sake that this doesn't happen in dental school. Hell, for your future patient's sake as well...

 

[joiedevivre86]

FYI - you will have to disclose this on your main AADSAS application. A question explicitly asks "Have you ever been found to have violated...an honor code..." Learn from your mistake and become a better person for it. You have time.

 

[Pnguyenvn]

FYI - you will have to disclose this on your main AADSAS application. A question explicitly asks "Have you ever been found to have violated...an honor code..." Learn from your mistake and become a better person for it. You have time.

I definitely will but this will made my chance decrease by also 50%. I am now are so regret about this and i dont even know if I should continue to pursue dental school

 

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[joiedevivre86]

I definitely will but this will made my chance decrease by also 50%. I am now are so regret about this and i dont even know if I should continue to pursue dental school

After the Y/N question, there is a space to explain, and then it says that answering yes does not automatically disqualify you. It also says, verbatim, "many individuals learn from the past and emerge stronger as a result". What year in school are you? Are you passionate about science? I wouldn't give up yet, but I'd have a backup plan. (Keep in mind people who don't have honor infractions still have/had backup life plans...) Also, you're lucky you don't go to my undergrad - they kick people out of school for honor violations...

 

[Pnguyenvn]

After the Y/N question, there is a space to explain, and then it says that answering yes does not automatically disqualify you. It also says, verbatim, "many individuals learn from the past and emerge stronger as a result". What year in school are you? Are you passionate about science? I wouldn't give up yet, but I'd have a backup plan. (Keep in mind people who don't have honor infractions still have/had backup life plans...) Also, you're lucky you don't go to my undergrad - they kick people out of school for honor violations...

I am currently freshmen. I really like science. After my second semester at the university I would have 4.0 gpa if the incident doesn't happen. I look at my official transcript and I don't see and I don't see any marks or institutions actions.

 

[joiedevivre86]

I am currently freshmen. I really like science. After my second semester at the university I would have 4.0 gpa if the incident doesn't happen. I look at my official transcript and I don't see and I don't see any marks or institutions actions.

IMO you should be OK. Especially with a group assignment like a lab report. Maybe in the future you ask special permission to write your own lab reports so there's no way this happens again - this is what I did in my post bacc because I didn't trust anyone to care as much as I did, and I preferred to take full responsibility for my successes/failures. You'll have plenty of other opportunities to work in groups throughout college. You have many years to prove yourself, don't give up yet. Best of success to you.

 

[Pnguyenvn]

IMO you should be OK. Especially with a group assignment like a lab report. Maybe in the future you ask special permission to write your own lab reports so there's no way this happens again - this is what I did in my post bacc because I didn't trust anyone to care as much as I did, and I preferred to take full responsibility for my successes/failures. You'll have plenty of other opportunities to work in groups throughout college. You have many years to prove yourself, don't give up yet. Best of success to you.

Does this mean that by the time I apply I would have to check the honor violation box ? I'm afraid that this will automatically reject me whether I explain myself by writing or they will think that I just don't have enough time yet to change my character.

 

[joiedevivre86]

Does this mean that by the time I apply I would have to check the honor violation box ? I'm afraid that this will automatically reject me whether I explain myself by writing or they will think that I just don't have enough time yet to change my character.

You will have to check the box but they will not automatically reject you. You have three years to prove you have good character.

 

[darknightzzz]

Does this mean that by the time I apply I would have to check the honor violation box ? I'm afraid that this will automatically reject me whether I explain myself by writing or they will think that I just don't have enough time yet to change my character.

dude you are only a freshmen. chillax. get off SDN and focus on your college career. I did not even know SDN existed until last year.

 

[Loyoladentalman15]

I definitely will but this will made my chance decrease by also 50%. I am now are so regret about this and i dont even know if I should continue to pursue dental school

This won't lower your chances by 50%... not to be rude bud but did you think that you had a 100% chance of getting in or something? If so, that's really unrealistic.

 

[tooth knockn]

Do an academic background check.

How, that is your mission ...

 

[strep mutans]

This won't lower your chances by 50%... not to be rude bud but did you think that you had a 100% chance of getting in or something? If so, that's really unrealistic.

Lowering of chances by 50% doesn't necessarily mean that it was originally 100%. Maybe he thought he had a 20% chance and now thinks it's 10%...