Academic Dishonesty

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I am currently a sophomore . I was put academic probation for plagiarizing (It wasn't for a big assignment, just 10%. It was an English paper that I ended up getting a F on). I ended up with a B in the class. My gpa is still good (3.5) and my science gpa is 3.3. I just wanted to know if I have any chance of getting into any dental schools. I was told it would not be on my transcript and that I would have to sign a release form for Graduate schools to view. How seriously do they take that into consideration? If I keep my grades up and have a good score on the DATs then would that make a difference? Help!

 

[NyCzPeter]

I am currently a sophomore at Temple. I was put academic probation for plagiarizing (It wasn't for a big assignment, just 10%. It was an English paper that I ended up getting a F on). I ended up with a B in the class. My gpa is still good (3.5) and my science gpa is 3.3. I just wanted to know if I have any chance of getting into any dental schools. I was told it would not be on my transcript and that I would have to sign a release form for Graduate schools to view. How seriously do they take that into consideration? If I keep my grades up and have a good score on the DATs then would that make a difference? Help!

If it doesn't show up on your transcript, and they have no way of knowing, then why even tell them?

 

[eldirty]

I know for Tufts with the deposit we were required to submit a form filled out by our undergrad judicial affairs office which reported on such conduct

 

[aphistis]

If it doesn't show up on your transcript, and they have no way of knowing, then why even tell them?

Uh...?

I am currently a sophomore at Temple. I was put academic probation for plagiarizing (It wasn't for a big assignment, just 10%. It was an English paper that I ended up getting a F on). I ended up with a B in the class. My gpa is still good (3.5) and my science gpa is 3.3. I just wanted to know if I have any chance of getting into any dental schools. I was told it would not be on my transcript and that I would have to sign a release form for Graduate schools to view. How seriously do they take that into consideration? If I keep my grades up and have a good score on the DATs then would that make a difference? Help!

 

[supraman]

What does "I was told it would not be on my transcript and that I would have to sign a release form for Graduate schools to view" mean

 

[NyCzPeter]

What does "I was told it would not be on my transcript and that I would have to sign a release form for Graduate schools to view" mean

It means if graduate schools ask to see it, I would have to sign a release form allowing them to view it. So if they never hear about it, they would never ask to see it, in which case you would never have to sign a release form allowing them to see it. So if it isn't on the transcript for everyone to see why not just bury it?

Or just refuse to sign the release form. Its pretty stupid that there is even a release form for integrity violations since no one can force you to sign anything if you don't want to. And if they pressure you to sign it by threatening expulsion or something, then what is even the purpose of having a release form in the first place? You see my point

 

[Jake8]

Guys isn't there a section on AADSAS that asks specifically if you ever had a violation of academic integrity?

OP its not the end of the world but you may have some explaining to do so you better get all your ducks in a row.

 

[doc3232]

Guys isn't there a section on AADSAS that asks specifically if you ever had a violation of academic integrity?

OP its not the end of the world but you may have some explaining to do so you better get all your ducks in a row.

You have to write it down.

 

[DrReo]

It means if graduate schools ask to see it, I would have to sign a release form allowing them to view it. So if they never hear about it, they would never ask to see it, in which case you would never have to sign a release form allowing them to see it. So if it isn't on the transcript for everyone to see why not just bury it?

Or just refuse to sign the release form. Its pretty stupid that there is even a release form for integrity violations since no one can force you to sign anything if you don't want to. And if they pressure you to sign it by threatening expulsion or something, then what is even the purpose of having a release form in the first place? You see my point

School will investigate dishonesty. Tufts, as El mentioned, asks for a form to confirm what you stated on your AADSAS. I rather have the bad news up front and let them decide. If not, say goodbye to your acceptance.

If you want an honest answer, ask an admissions dean. Midwestern enforces strong ethics throughout their curriculum.

 

[hellonurse]

I think you messed up big time and it will come back to haunt you. The best thing to do is own up to it while applying. Hopefully, you will get in somewhere...if you deserve it.

 

[cookie13]

So I basically don't have a chance..

 

[coolrunner]

well there must be something on ur transcript that would warrant further investigation at which time i guess they may ask that you to sign the release form. but this is very, very, very bad and u probably really screwed as far as D school is concerned.🙁

 

[dent2009]

If you lie, then get an acceptance, and they find out, your acceptance will be revoked. Probably won't even get a chance to explain. Be honest and explain on AADSAS.

 

[DrReo]

If you lie, then get an acceptance, and they find out, your acceptance will be revoked. Probably won't even get a chance to explain. Be honest and explain on AADSAS.

You forgot to note, this yields a double dishonesty streak!

 

[urDDS]

You forgot to note, this yields a double dishonesty streak!

the change that will come after this experience is what dental schools look for.

 

[cookie13]

Ok now since I know for sure that I am going to have to work extremely hard to get into any school... any suggestions on what my application should look like so that the academic dishonesty section does not become the center of attention?

 

[Lemons]

I don't know all the details and who knows it may not have been intentional but why is the school being so lenient? Maybe I just went to a really honest/strict program but it was made clear if you were ever caught being dishonest, you would fail the class, it would go on your transcript and future employers, grad schools, and anyone else who wanted an official transcript would know you cheated, and to top it off there was a more than a good chance that you would be expelled.

No one I know in my undergrad would have done it but I guess it's really common in other schools. I must have been really naive because I never even considered doing it and thought no one else did it either but I guess it happens in a lot of schools. Your professor not giving you an F for the entire class must mean that he may have thought you didn't go it on purpose or something, otherwise why didn't he fail you?

The fact that Temple is being so lenient means one of two things:
1) It wasn't intentional but rules are rules type of situation

2) It was clearly intentional on your part and Temple cares more about your tuition than academic honesty.

 

[Danny289]

Ok now since I know for sure that I am going to have to work extremely hard to get into any school... any suggestions on what my application should look like so that the academic dishonesty section does not become the center of attention?

how about being honest and contacting the schools which you are interested and ask them about your problem. (just MO)

 

[hellonurse]

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[cookie13]

I don't know all the details and who knows it may not have been intentional but why is the school being so lenient? Maybe I just went to a really honest/strict program but it was made clear if you were ever caught being dishonest, you would fail the class, it would go on your transcript and future employers, grad schools, and anyone else who wanted an official transcript would know you cheated, and to top it off there was a more than a good chance that you would be expelled.

No one I know in my undergrad would have done it but I guess it's really common in other schools.. . I must have been really naive because I never even considered doing it and thought no one else did it either but I guess it happens in a lot of schools. Your professor not giving you an F for the entire class must mean that he may have thought you didn't go it on purpose or something, otherwise why didn't he fail you?

The fact that school is being so lenient means one of two things:
1) It wasn't intentional but rules are rules type of situation

2) It was clearly intentional on your part and the school cares more about your tuition than academic honesty.

Well it happened this way... I had helped a friend on a paper in the summer and the following semester I had the same professor and what do you know... he has the same essay topic.... so without thinking twice about it... I revised it and made grammatical corrections.... submitted and it boom got caught... I explained to them that since I had helped my friend in the summer on the paper I didn't realize that he/she had already taken the credit for the paper and I submitted it again because it originally was my work to begin with... well partially.... but they gave me a F on the paper and put me on academic probation for a semester..... They didn't fail me in the class because they based it off of my academic record and testimony....

 

[Lemons]

did his(undergraduate or graduate) school know about his cheating? thats whole point! if you cheat and not get caught, there is not any issue to talk about!

I just wanted him/her to know that they aren't alone in making bad choices. Otherwise my post would have come off as too judgemental. 🙂

 

[Lemons]

Well it happened this way... I had helped a friend on a paper in the summer and the following semester I had the same professor and what do you know... he has the same essay topic.... so without thinking twice about it... I revised it and made grammatical corrections.... submitted and it boom got caught... I explained to them that since I had helped my friend in the summer on the paper I didn't realize that he/she had already taken the credit for the paper and I submitted it again because it originally was my work to begin with... well partially.... but they gave me a F on the paper and put me on academic probation for a semester..... They didn't fail me in the class because they based it off of my academic record and testimony.... I don't know they might be after my money...

I don't know what to make of this.
Things working in your favor and suggest you were being honest:
1) No one would be stupid engough (at least I hope) to submit the same paper to the same prof the next semester.
2) Prof not failing you but then again I've noticed profs don't want lawsuits on their hands from expelled students/parents so maybe he was just playing it safe.

Things that work against you:
1) Who was this person that you practically wrote out their paper for them? Did you have thing for them? Even people I really cared for, the best I would do was help them with grammar/organization. I wouldn't give them a thesis, supporting points, or even write it for them because that is technically cheating. You're young though and maybe you didn't realize that you shouldn't be doing these things.

Be prepared to address these issues because they could come up in an interview and dental schools will be weighing the same points I am. You need to make it very, very, clear to them that you are an honest person. One of my LORs can list a time when I went to him and told him he had graded my exam incorrectly by giving me 5 points more than I deserved. You're going to need several examples like that if you're ever going to overcome this, I recommend you start to focus on highlighting your more noble attributes to offset this.

 

[Sephisabin]

You definitely need to report this rather than bury it. As many others stated, the school can revoke your acceptance at any time... that means it can do so after you've gone through 3 years of school. The dental school I go to says they can even revoke your diploma after you've graduated... not something you'd want to worry about for the rest of your life. Further, I'm assuming you're going to apply to Temple and, considering it's the same school you attended for undergrad, there's a good chance they might be able to find out you have a record with judicial affairs. They might not see what's on the record, but the fact that you didn't report it is going to make them probe. And you can bet that schools communicate with each other so if one finds out, they're all going to know...

That said, I have a friend who got in trouble for cheating but she was upfront about it, admitted to her mistake and explained how she grew as a person because of the experience. She applied to 8 schools and got into 2 of them (Tufts and USC). Be forthcoming and explain why you're a better person for it, and it shouldn't cost you dearly.

 

[Wei87]

I've always wondered about this as well. Does anyone know of a "good" way to break the news to your interviewer? For example, if during the interview your interviewer asks you to discuss your academic dishonesty... What would be the best answer you can give? Are there any threads on this forum that have already debated about this issue?

 

[AFdentalgirl]

I once heard from someone on the admissions committee at UW that a girl had an interview and they found out about a time she had cheated (apparently from the school that she attended). She ended up receiving an F (or something bad like that) and they decided they would ask her about why she got such a low grade in that class. Instead of telling them up front, she made a bunch of other excuses. They weren't going to hold it against her if she told them the truth. They know that people make mistakes and often learn and grow from them. So I think that it would be best to be honest and tell them about it. When they ask about it, just let them know that it was a mistake you made and you realize that it was a bad one and have learned from it. Some schools may be forgiving, others may not, but I think you would still have a chance as long as you are honest.

 

[Sulwyn7]

I don't know what to make of this.
Things working in your favor and suggest you were being honest:
1) No one would be stupid engough (at least I hope) to submit the same paper to the same prof the next semester.

I submitted the same paper 3 times to a professor in the same semester and two of them were within a week of each other. I also showed up to the final exam 2 hours late as the last person was leaving, I felt so stupid. Everything worked out great though cause I got a 98% in the class. Anyway my school gives us a double F which means we failed the class due to academic dishonesty. If it shows a B on your transcript then I think you should be okay as long as you pretend it never happened. If I were to get a double F I wouldn't bother with dental school, that's the worst thing you could possibly have on your application.

 

[tinman831]

Odds of an acceptance with a naughty record: small
Odds of an acceptance by lying and they find out: none

Even though you shot yourself in the foot with this one, it won't be the end of the world to you. Own up to it. Don't make excuses and say how it wasn't your fault and you did nothing wrong. You have a better chance by telling them you realize it was a dumb mistake and you learned from it, rather than trying to downplay the whole situation.

 

[sarah_bellum]

Tell the truth and hope for the best.

 

[y0ssarian]

I submitted the same paper 3 times to a professor in the same semester and two of them were within a week of each other.

At the risk of hijacking this thread, submitting your own work multiple times isn't really plagiarism, though I would question how closely (if at all?) that professor was reading those papers.

 

[unruli]

I agree with NyCzPeter. If schools ask about it then tell them the truth, if they don't ask then you don't have to tell them anything. The fact that your school is letting you go easy by not leaving it on your transcript is a blessing. 😀 Sooooo many kids at my school cheat, it's unbelievable. They store answers/formulas on their calculators, write on their hands, sit next to buddies, get answers from TA, it's amazing how these kids aren't caught yet. SIGH

 

[Lemons]

Sooooo many kids at my school cheat, it's unbelievable. They store answers/formulas on their calculators, write on their hands, sit next to buddies, get answers from TA, it's amazing how these kids aren't caught yet. SIGH

How is all of this possible? Don't these lenient schools care at all about how this hurts kids who don't cheat? Every class I took on test days they would split the class up into different rooms and even then we were at least one seat apart. There were always multiple versions of the exam (the questions were in different orders). Very few classes allowed graphing calculators and when they did they would have grad students go around and check everyone's calculator for formulas and programs. During tests we always had the professor and 2-3 grad students walking around to make sure no one was cheating. Most of our TAs were grad students and asking them to help you cheat was sure to not only get you a dirty look but they wouldn't think twice about reporting you and calling you out in front of the class. I thought all schools were like this. I like schools that are strict like that because it's not fair to people who don't cheat to have someone who does have an advantage over them. It would have made me really resentful if I went to a cheater friendly school and I probably would have transferred out.

 

[hellonurse]

deleteeeeeeeeeeeeeed 🙂

 

[Lemons]

Also, if it "angers" you when people cheat...why don't you just turn them in? I have. I turned a girl in for plagerizing b/c it was my responsibility to grade her. I felt bad at first. But she had a really long paper that she wanted me to take MY TIME to read and she copied it all? That's wasting my time. So I really hope she failed that class.

Maybe I was really naive but no one I knew cheated. I didn't think anyone was that stupid. I have one memory of kid in a summer class I took at my university who actually attended another school being caught and the professor talked to him about in front of the whole class and reported him to the dean's office. All these people admitting to cheating in other schools has me questioning if people at my school cheated and I just didn't know it.

 

[Simiam]

Cheating is a new plague in school. I was a TA for a couple years and I had to bust a couple students each year and report them to the honor code office for academic dishonesty. It sucks, but it really looks bad on the institution if they are graduating people who are completely ignorant, but have good grades because they cheated their way through the program.

 

[unruli]

Maybe I was really naive but no one I knew cheated. I didn't think anyone was that stupid. I have one memory of kid in a summer class I took at my university who actually attended another school being caught and the professor talked to him about in front of the whole class and reported him to the dean's office. All these people admitting to cheating in other schools has me questioning if people at my school cheated and I just didn't know it.

Chances are they did. In a class of 300 students there are bound to be at least 10 who didn't study for an exam. These kids will cheat, they are not gonna sit there and guess randomly and pray that they did "OK". It's OK though, I strongly believe they will get caught one day. 😀

 

[Persevere13]

tell the truth. end of this thread.

 

[klutzy1987]

Oh come on are you all saying that you never got a test beforehand from the previous year or some other way. Either everyone here is lying or sdn is full of the "class suck ups". I thought every school had professors who were known to be easy or lazy and didn't read papers. And who hasn't used an internet source to write a paper where you just paraphrased and rewrote the entire thing just using your own words and then not referenced it in the bibliography. Everyone cheats , they just have different levels of cheating and they convince themselves that what they are doing isn't really cheating and what the next guy is doing is cheating. Ive seen so many guys transplant pages from their test booklet with pages from a test booklet that has already been filled out. Ive also seen so many people have another person take a test for them. Hell I saw a 30 year old white dude take a placement exam for a 20 year old African American guy. I think everyone cheats a little they just rationalize that what they are doing isn't really cheating.

 

[Lemons]

Oh come on are you all saying that you never got a test beforehand from the previous year or some other way. Either everyone here is lying or sdn is full of the "class suck ups". I thought every school had professors who were known to be easy or lazy and didn't read papers. And who hasn't used an internet source to write a paper where you just paraphrased and rewrote the entire thing just using your own words and then not referenced it in the bibliography. Everyone cheats , they just have different levels of cheating and they convince themselves that what they are doing isn't really cheating and what the next guy is doing is cheating. Ive seen so many guys transplant pages from their test booklet with pages from a test booklet that has already been filled out. Ive also seen so many people have another person take a test for them. Hell I saw a 30 year old white dude take a placement exam for a 20 year old African American guy. I think everyone cheats a little they just rationalize that what they are doing isn't really cheating.

Yeah, never did any of those things and I'm not alone. I guess if you've cheated and went to a school that was lenient than it's easy to assume everyone did it. I never cheated and went to a really strict school and up until recently thought no one was stupid enough to cheat in college. Seriously, though weren't you scared of being caught and ruining your future? Not to mention the guilt, I pride myself of my academic record, I wouldn't feel the same way if I hadn't earned it.

Sorry this is coming off as more judgmental than I really feel, I'm not angry or even bitter at the idea that someone at my school might have cheated while I studied into the late hours of the night. To me if you cheated and got away with it with no remorse, those are skills you have and risks you were willing to take. Skills I don't have, want, or would be willing to risk my future to obtain. That's why I can't be hostile towards people who do cheat. You knew what you were doing and so did I.

 

[hellonurse]

Yeah, never did any of those things and I'm not alone. I guess if you've cheated and went to a school that was lenient than it's easy to assume everyone did it. I never cheated and went to a really strict school and up until recently thought no one was stupid enough to cheat in college. Seriously, though weren't you scared of being caught and ruining your future? Not to mention the guilt, I pride myself of my academic record, I wouldn't feel the same way if I hadn't earned it.

Sorry this is coming off as more judgmental than I really feel, I'm not angry or even bitter at the idea that someone at my school might have cheated while I studied into the late hours of the night. To me if you cheated and got away with it with no remorse, those are skills you have and risks you were willing to take. Skills I don't have, want, or would be willing to risk my future to obtain. That's why I can't be hostile towards people who do cheat. You knew what you were doing and so did I.

Haven't done those things in college either. In classes that require papers, they scan your papers for plagiarism. 3 kids from Bio lab were failed last semester for plagiarism...BIO LAB?! The averages in my lectures are so low and I get higher grades than most of the people that sit around me. Cheating in my case, would not be an option..it would be ridiculous.

 

[xianexiane]

I remember from Physics 1 during a test I happened to lock eyes with the professor, or so I thought, as the professor stood as if her seat was on fire.... she then walks directly at me, three or four seats deep, and stops right before my seat and rips, and when I say rip I mean like she was swinging a baseball bat or something, the test sheets from the hands of the student directly in front of me. I was sooooo terrified of her after that lol all 95 pounds of her. Evidently he was using a “cheat sheet” or something. I never saw that student again so I presume the worst. Just thought I would share XD.

 

[supraman]

I remember from Physics 1 during a test I happened to lock eyes with the professor, or so I thought, as the professor stood as if her seat was on fire.... she then walks directly at me, three or four seats deep, and stops right before my seat and rips, and when I say rip I mean like she was swinging a baseball bat or something, the test sheets from the hands of the student directly in front of me. I was sooooo terrified of her after that lol all 95 pounds of her. Evidently he was using a “cheat sheet” or something. I never saw that student again so I presume the worst. Just thought I would share XD.

wow owned

 

[ZzZzSleepyhead]

Wow intense 😛.
Always kinda scary to think what if...... they thought it was you?? How could a student clear their name?

 

[MichaelVicksDog]

I remember from Physics 1 during a test I happened to lock eyes with the professor, or so I thought, as the professor stood as if her seat was on fire.... she then walks directly at me, three or four seats deep, and stops right before my seat and rips, and when I say rip I mean like she was swinging a baseball bat or something, the test sheets from the hands of the student directly in front of me. I was sooooo terrified of her after that lol all 95 pounds of her. Evidently he was using a “cheat sheet” or something. I never saw that student again so I presume the worst. Just thought I would share XD.

A 95 pound physics professor...was she like a nerdy skinny type or like a older fit and well put together lady 😍

But on the real though, getting caught cheating? Come on rookie, what is this high school? First rule of cheating is don't get caught cheating.

 

[supraman]

 

[klutzy1987]

Now thats more like it. There is a regular college test room. Although one would think that the dude with the papers wouldn't sit in the front row. Also the cell phone guy has to hide it a little better.

 

[supraman]

I really don't think that's a real exam, it's got to be an in class assignment and the dude looking on just doesn't know what to do