Adderall abuse amongst students!

[Simmy]

Am I the only one that is shocked and disgusted that people abuse substances like Adderall and Ritalin to be able to study for a cupple of hours!?

Seriously, if you can't study without using amphetamins you do not have anything to do in whatever you are studying (esp. in medicine for the ethical part and that you should know better)...

It pisses me off that people can be that stupid! And not to stereotype, but it seems like Americans are the worst at this (up to 25% in certain unis.).. I dont know one person in Norway that would/or have used these drugs to study for an exam.

/rant

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[Ableton]

Why are there so many Adderall/Ritalin/SSRI/X drug threads?

Quit whining. Who cares what other people do... you can either a) join them, or b) worry about yourself. Crying about it online is nothing but a waste of time.

 

[Cheechwin]

I do agree on the part of people abusing adderall or Ritalin to get ahead and stay up late to study. I currently take it because I need it to focus. It doesnt make me lazy or stupid person. I know you didnt say people were stupid for taking, but I agree its a stupid thing when it is abused. Just like any other RX, its ok if taken PRN but not ok when its being abused. Taking this RX has really helped me focus more on class and focus more on work.

 

[Simmy]

Why are there so many Adderall/Ritalin/SSRI/X drug threads?

Quit whining. Who cares what other people do... you can either a) join them, or b) worry about yourself. Crying about it online is nothing but a waste of time.

Im not crying about it. I just think its amazing how stupid some people are. You have nothing to do in medicine if you condone that!

 

[Simmy]

I do agree on the part of people abusing adderall or Ritalin to get ahead and stay up late to study. I currently take it because I need it to focus. It doesnt make me lazy or stupid person. I know you didnt say people were stupid for taking, but I agree its a stupid thing when it is abused. Just like any other RX, its ok if taken PRN but not ok when its being abused. Taking this RX has really helped me focus more on class and focus more on work.

If you have a prescription, I see nothing wrong with using it. Its just the ethical aspect of drug abuse when you will have the responsibility to prescribe drugs later that is shocking imo.

 

[BTC]

In Norway, you guys all just cheat on the exam. No need to study.

 

[J1515]

In very rare circumstances, people do actually need the drug. However, the majority of people here take it because they find it difficult to sit down and read about the ever-so-exciting Krebs cycle. Therefore, they must have ADHD and require stimulants

Who woulda thunk...it's difficult to concentrate on boring material!?!?!?

 

[Simmy]

In Norway, you guys all just cheat on the exam. No need to study.

Yeah really good agrument

 

[Simmy]

In very rare circumstances, people do actually need the drug. However, the majority of people here take it because they find it difficult to sit down and read about the ever-so-exciting Krebs cycle. Therefore, they must have ADHD and require stimulants

Who woulda thunk...it's difficult to concentrate on boring material!?!?!?

I think if people have been able to study the crebs cycle since 1937 without Adderall it should be possible in 2009 too. I knew the Krebs cycle by heart for my HS exam in bio. So its not like its that hard.

 

[BTC]

Yeah really good agrument

It wasnt really an argument. I'm not a fan of the stuff, but who really cares? I don't drink caffeine but I don't get pissed at the people who abuse that to study.

Frankly, it isn't that hard to get a prescription so I don't think one should draw a line between those who tell their doctors who have problems focusing for 10 hours straight vs. those who just get it from friends. Adderall is a low level stimulant. It can be very dangerous if abused in high doses and it has its pitfalls. But if someone wants to tweak out for 36 hours before an exam, they can go right ahead and do it as far as I'm concerned. It sounds miserable and will most likely catch up to them eventually.

So, why bitch? Would you feel better if it became available OTC like no-doze?

 

[Simmy]

It wasnt really an argument. I'm not a fan of the stuff, but who really cares? I don't drink caffeine but I don't get pissed at the people who abuse that to study.

Frankly, it isn't that hard to get a prescription so I don't think one should draw a line between those who tell their doctors who have problems focusing for 10 hours straight vs. those who just get it from friends. Adderall is a low level stimulant. It can be very dangerous if abused in high doses and it has its pitfalls. But if someone wants to tweak out for 36 hours before an exam, they can go right ahead and do it as far as I'm concerned. It sounds miserable and will most likely catch up to them eventually.

So, why bitch? Would you feel better if it became available OTC like no-doze?

Because coffee is legal, and beeing against drug abuse should be one of your big standponts becoming a doctor. Does not mather if its low stimulate or not. Will you prescribe every low stimulat drug to you patients because "its not that big for a risk". Ive seen people in psychosis after Ritallin abuse. Its not pretty seeing and adult family father peeing himself in restraints (not saying it happens to everyone).

 

[BTC]

Because coffee is legal, and beeing against drug abuse should be one of your big standponts becoming a doctor. Does not mather if its low stimulate or not. Will you prescribe every low stimulant drug to you patients because "its not that big for a risk". Ive seen people in psychosis after Ritallin abuse. Its not pretty seeing and adult family father peeing himself in restraints (not saying it happens to everyone).

First, adderall is legal, it is just controlled. Second, if you ask any ER doc what the single worst substance they come across, they will say alcohol which also happens to be legal.

Third, your definition of abuse seems to be pretty broad. Adderall helps and is prescribed to help people concentrate so a lot of students take it to help them concentrate. And if you look at the low threshold one has to pass to get most any ADD/anxiety/SSRI medications, you'd realize that the distinction between having a prescription vs. not having a prescription is negligible and doesn't necessarily constitute abuse. The only real functional difference is oversight - which is important. But it doesn't sound like you came on here to give SDN a public service announcement about the pitfalls of not keeping in touch with your psychiatrist.

 

[Excelsius]

Because coffee is legal, and beeing against drug abuse should be one of your big standponts becoming a doctor. Does not mather if its low stimulate or not. Will you prescribe every low stimulat drug to you patients because "its not that big for a risk". Ive seen people in psychosis after Ritallin abuse. Its not pretty seeing and adult family father peeing himself in restraints (not saying it happens to everyone).

Here is a bottom line: ANYTHING that can make you a better student is great. Last time I checked, as a civilization, becoming more hardworking or "smarter" is never a problem. This is not sports where you're taking steroids to build muscle mass. So I absolutely condone the usage of any drug that does not harm the brain but increases productivity. Get over it.

Finally, as for your "legal" argument - in some countries, I think India, it is legal. Are you ok with that now? And how about the controversy of ADHD? Any one of us could easily get a prescription because very few among us do not need an extra concentration boost. And if your concentration CAN increase by using ADHD drugs, then per definition, you might have ADHD in the first place. So, are you ok with that now?

Pretty much everyone who starts attacking ADHD drugs has some entitlement issues and is not happy that the other student is able to perform better. Where do you stop? Next thing I need is some smartass complaining that I am "smarter" because I take caffeine and B vitamins. I got news for you - ADHD drugs do NOT make you smarter. They just allow you to concentrate on your task/be more alert. What you do with that time is absolutely up to you. You might take ritalin and spend all your time thinking and writing about the unfairness of ADHD drugs. Will that make you "smarter" in your school work? No. You'd probably lose a couple of IQ points though.

I remember that you were also whining about how a student that tried to commit suicide was just doing that to get an "advantage" over her classmates. Ok. Enough said.

 

[Mackey]

Next you're going to tell me not to knock back a viagra for other performance enhancements.

I think you're just a whiner.

 

[thepoopologist]

I have Adderall/Viagra parties all the time. No problems here.











/joking

 

[greatnt249]

I think if people have been able to study the crebs cycle since 1937 without Adderall it should be possible in 2009 too. I knew the Krebs cycle by heart for my HS exam in bio. So its not like its that hard.

Want a cookie?

There are enough threads on this topic already...don't understand why you felt the need to make another one.

 

[Ableton]

I have Adderall/Viagra parties all the time. No problems here.

A pre-med's dream come true... nothing better than spending a Saturday night staring at a textbook with an erection in hand.

 

[vin5cent0]

Am I the only one that is shocked and disgusted that people abuse substances like Adderall and Ritalin to be able to study for a cupple of hours!?

Seriously, if you can't study without using amphetamins you do not have anything to do in whatever you are studying (esp. in medicine for the ethical part and that you should know better)...

It pisses me off that people can be that stupid! And not to stereotype, but it seems like Americans are the worst at this (up to 25% in certain unis.).. I dont know one person in Norway that would/or have used these drugs to study for an exam.

/rant

Yeah you're right man. Americans are all stupid and drug-dependent for good grades. Norwegians on the other hand.. not at all. thumbdown

 

[Mister J]

So Excelsius, how do you feel about drug abuse in adolescents?

Here is a bottom line: ANYTHING that can make you a better student is great.

 

[chiz2kul]

Here is a bottom line: ANYTHING that can make you a better student is great.

Finally, as for your "legal" argument - in some countries, I think India, it is legal. Are you ok with that now?

 

[Excelsius]

So Excelsius, how do you feel about drug abuse in adolescents?

Statement: "Knifes are great for cutting bread." Response: "So you condone suicide?" Hahahaha. You either missed something or you're being sarcastic?

Drug abuse, or any abuse, is not acceptable. I define abuse as taking medications in such large quantities that side effects surpass the benefits. That is abuse. The OP here is complaining about regular use of ritalin that produces good results academically. So yes, ritalin abuse is not right whether you're 12 or 70. I can say the same about fat soluble vitamins or carbohydrates. You abuse water, you'll die as well.

This I condone all the way:
Ritalin For ADHD Improves Teens' Academic Performance

"Scores improved by an average of about 17 percent--a jump that could mean two or three letter grades."

Also, like I said, there is not much certainty about ADHD as a disease. I think all of us have it. It's just a matter of degree. So instead of complaining that ADHD doesn't exist, it's better to say that everyone has it and define the disease as "if you take a stimulant and it allows you to perform better, then you have some form of ADHD." That's it. And as far as side effects, who are you kidding? The alcohol that you drink (smoking) has more negative effects than these drugs. I don't drink alcohol, so should I judge everyone who does? I bet if prohibition was in effect the very same people here would be the first to jump on the righteousness bandwagon. Guess what? The government screws up a lot. Maybe in some years ritalin/adderal/strattera etc will become OTC.

 

[Simmy]

If you have diagnosed ADHD and have a prescription for Adderall or Ritallin of cours it is nothing wrong with improving your quality of studying and great to get up to a normal level.

However! If you are not diagnosed, and don't bother to go to the doctor if you question your abillity to concentrate I do not think you can justify using prescriptive drugs because "everyone has a tad of ADHD". If it was legal in your country then ok, thats the law. But all western countries have it as a prescriptive drug for a reason.

And if YOU are casious taking it dosen't mean that every kid that get their hands amphetamins are aware of the risk or dosage.

Substances like these are controlled for a reason. Just like every other drug is restricted. I guess you can compare it with smoking weed. Some people say it has a good effect on them. Others have it as a door-opener to harder drugs.

And I know that you too Excelsius know that using a prescriptive drug with out a prescription, bought from a private person is defined as "drug abuse". You dont have to OD or die to abuse drugs. Breaking the law is simple enough to fall into that categorie!'

And having your own definition of abuse when you are going to be a doctor is idiotic. Imagin saying in an intervju "hey I dont see the bad side of prescribing antibiotics for everyone that have the flue. As long as it helps right?"

Statement: "Knifes are great for cutting bread." Response: "So you condone suicide?" Hahahaha. You either missed something or you're being sarcastic?

Drug abuse, or any abuse, is not acceptable. I define abuse as taking medications in such large quantities that side effects surpass the benefits. That is abuse. The OP here is complaining about regular use of ritalin that produces good results academically. So yes, ritalin abuse is not right whether you're 12 or 70. I can say the same about fat soluble vitamins or carbohydrates. You abuse water, you'll die as well.

This I condone all the way:
Ritalin For ADHD Improves Teens' Academic Performance

"Scores improved by an average of about 17 percent--a jump that could mean two or three letter grades."

Also, like I said, there is not much certainty about ADHD as a disease. I think all of us have it. It's just a matter of degree. So instead of complaining that ADHD doesn't exist, it's better to say that everyone has it and define the disease as "if you take a stimulant and it allows you to perform better, then you have some form of ADHD." That's it. And as far as side effects, who are you kidding? The alcohol that you drink (smoking) has more negative effects than these drugs. I don't drink alcohol, so should I judge everyone who does? I bet if prohibition was in effect the very same people here would be the first to jump on the righteousness bandwagon. Guess what? The government screws up a lot. Maybe in some years ritalin/adderal/strattera etc will become OTC.

 

[coffeebythelake]

And I know that you too Excelsius know that using a prescriptive drug with out a prescription, bought from a private person is defined as "drug abuse". You dont have to OD or die to abuse drugs. Breaking the law is simple enough to fall into that categorie!'

And having your own definition of abuse when you are going to be a doctor is idiotic. Imagin saying in an intervju "hey I dont see the bad side of prescribing antibiotics for everyone that have the flue. As long as it helps right?"

There is a medical definition of "substance abuse". Perhaps it is poor judgement, but it is not abuse.

DSM-IV: Substance abuse is a maladaptive pattern of substance use leading to clinically significant impairment or distress as manifested by one (or more) of the following, occurring within a 12-month period:

1. Recurrent substance use resulting in a failure to fulfill major role obligations at work, school, or home (such as repeated absences or poor work performance related to substance use; substance-related absences, suspensions, or expulsions from school; or neglect of children or household).

2. Recurrent substance use in situations in which it is physically hazardous (such as driving an automobile or operating a machine when impaired by substance use)

3. Recurrent substance-related legal problems (such as arrests for substance related disorderly conduct)

4. Continued substance use despite having persistent or recurrent social or interpersonal problems caused or exacerbated by the effects of the substance (for example, arguments with spouse about consequences of intoxication and physical fights).

 

[MicA]

What schedule are aderall and ritalin in your country out of interest? In my country ritalin is schedule 6 (the system here is the opposite to that in the US). This means that you need a prescription every month for it.

It doesn't really stop med students though, because they can get the drug from the public hospitals here.

In my opinion ritalin can almost be compared to creatine use in sport. It isn't necessarily illegal because it merely helps you work or train but in the long run it gives you an advantage over others. When it becomes more about drug use than actual "talent" should it not be considered a problem? Otherwise we should just make all medical students and athletes take ritalin and creatine respectively.

 

[Yakko]

Simmy, you sound like a hater. Get your nose outta other people's business. Join us here in the real world where adults train and compete for the best jobs, including medicine. We live in a cutthroat world where nobody gives you anything unless you reach out and take it.

As long as you're not actively hindering competitors you should be able to do whatever you want to get ahead. If it's harmful enough, a person will learn real quick where to draw the line.

Life isn't black and white, it's a whole lotta gray.

And spare us that whole, "It's not legal, therefore it MUST be wrong." As mentioned before, Adderall is perfectly legal. And honestly, are you kidding me? You're ostensibly intelligent enough to be in medical school and you still subscribe to that 4th grade logic? Get real.

 

[AbbeyRoad708]

And I know that you too Excelsius know that using a prescriptive drug with out a prescription, bought from a private person is defined as "drug abuse". You dont have to OD or die to abuse drugs. Breaking the law is simple enough to fall into that categorie!'

No, that is not correct. Substance abuse is not defined by "breaking the law." If doing something illegal was defined as substance abuse, then rehabilitation institutions would be filled with J-walkers and speeders.

It seems to me from your responses that you have nothing against students actually using drugs like Adderall; your beef seems to be somehow about legal implications, which confuses me. Why should it matter if the drug is controlled or illegal? You claim to be opposed to Adderall 'abuse', but honestly what is the difference? As a medical student, I would presume your opposition to its use would pertain to its medical ramifications, and not just because the government happens to qualify it as being controlled. You're not trying to be a lawyer, you want to be a doctor.

If students use it intelligently to aid focus and do not overuse it, I don't see why that should be an issue just because society views it in a specific light. In short: who cares? Let 'em study how they want to study. It doesn't affect you and they have a right to make their own choices.

Substances like these are controlled for a reason. Just like every other drug is restricted. I guess you can compare it with smoking weed. Some people say it has a good effect on them. Others have it as a door-opener to harder drugs.

Please don't bring marijuana into this. The "gateway theory" has been generally disproved as marijuana does not somehow induce users to do harder drugs, but rather the type of person to try marijuana is also the type of person to do other drugs. Also, the transition is generally caused because marijuana is illegal; users have to buy it illegally from drug dealers who try to sell them other drugs as well. But since you brought it up, "if you ain't harmin' anybody, who cares?"

 

[aggie08]

I think if people have been able to study the crebs cycle since 1937 without Adderall it should be possible in 2009 too. I knew the Krebs cycle by heart for my HS exam in bio. So its not like its that hard.

Maybe if you used Adderall you'd consistently spell Krebs Cycle right.

 

[dude1344]

Maybe if you used Adderall you'd consistently spell Krebs Cycle right.

He/She is in Europe. Maybe that's how they spell it there.

 

[aggie08]

He/She is in Europe. Maybe that's how they spell it there.

Valid point if they hadn't continued on in the same post to spell it right.

 

[WellWornLad]

He/She is in Europe. Maybe that's how they spell it there.

Except that it's someone's name (Hans Krebs).

 

[DrYoda]

Maybe if you used Adderall you'd consistently spell Krebs Cycle right.

 

[Excelsius]

Maybe if you used Adderall you'd consistently spell Krebs Cycle right.

This was probably the strongest and the funniest counterargument I have seen in while on SDN.

However, there is also some good news for the OP: the above quote proves that at least some people here actually cared to read your posts beyond your first one.

 

[Excelsius]

If you have diagnosed ADHD and have a prescription for Adderall or Ritallin of cours it is nothing wrong with improving your quality of studying and great to get up to a normal level.

However! If you are not diagnosed, and don't bother to go to the doctor if you question your abillity to concentrate I do not think you can justify using prescriptive drugs because "everyone has a tad of ADHD". If it was legal in your country then ok, thats the law. But all western countries have it as a prescriptive drug for a reason.

And if YOU are casious taking it dosen't mean that every kid that get their hands amphetamins are aware of the risk or dosage.

Substances like these are controlled for a reason. Just like every other drug is restricted. I guess you can compare it with smoking weed. Some people say it has a good effect on them. Others have it as a door-opener to harder drugs.

And I know that you too Excelsius know that using a prescriptive drug with out a prescription, bought from a private person is defined as "drug abuse". You dont have to OD or die to abuse drugs. Breaking the law is simple enough to fall into that categorie!'

And having your own definition of abuse when you are going to be a doctor is idiotic. Imagin saying in an intervju "hey I dont see the bad side of prescribing antibiotics for everyone that have the flue. As long as it helps right?"

I assume you know that flu is a viral infection and as such, antibiotics are inapplicable. If you did know that, I don't see how you could use antibiotics and flu to comment on anything discussed in this thread. If we were talking about ingesting Adderall to increase your ability to MILF, then I could see how you came (to that conclusion).

As for the rest of your comments, you got your fair share of rebuttals, including one from an AOA member who rectified the substance abuse definition for you. For your sake, take your time to read some of the comments before you post.

 

[VoiceofReason]

simmy you are pretty dumb

 

[coldweatherblue]

Really surprised to see the number of medical students advocating the use of prescription drugs without medical supervision or indication.

 

[Simmy]

Really surprised to see the number of medical students advocating the use of prescription drugs without medical supervision or indication.

Thank you! This is my main point!

And for the "gate-way" theory: Sure, most of the time this is not the case. But the chance is there, and that is why it is controlled with prescriptions....

Like a girl in my class (from canada) takes adderall to study and then have to take sleeping pills to sleep later on... Healty? I dont think so. But I know for a fact that using prescriptive drugs is alot more common in America than where I come from. So I guess thats why you guys argue like I killed someone. But whatever. Take your drugs, be the stereotype American we talk about in Europe.

Ok I was wrong about the medical definition about substance abuse. My main point anyway is the ethical and legal side. But arguing about this with people that probably is using it illigaly is a waste of time anyway.

I am also aware of that flue is a viral infection, and you did not really answer my question if you think its right for a doctor or med-student to take lightly on the laws that applie for prescriptive drugs.

You have a really mature way of arguing Excelcius, with pointing out spelling errors. Its the internet, nobody cares. I can see from all the other posts you make on SDN that you love beeing the one arguing in every topic. Ever though about seeing people opinions in the way they view it instead of jumping to attack them?

I respect that people with attention dissorders need supplements for their handicap. But that does not mean that everyone else have the same right to take advantage of these drugs.

I've made my point clear. Call me stupid or whatever. I dont really care and I think I'm allowed to express my opinion.

And for this:

"I remember that you were also whining about how a student that tried to commit suicide was just doing that to get an "advantage" over her classmates. Ok. Enough said."

What the hell are you talking about? You take everything away from the point and make it something up to totaly different. What I said in that post was that that girl was very sick and needed to get her life together before starting med-school. I never said she tried to get an advantage of her classmates. Get you facts straight before you start throwing ****.

 

[aggie08]

Thank you! This is my main point!

And for the "gate-way" theory: Sure, most of the time this is not the case. But the chance is there, and that is why it is controlled with prescriptions....

Like a girl in my class (from canada) takes adderall to study and then have to take sleeping pills to sleep later on... Healty? I dont think so. But I know for a fact that using prescriptive drugs is alot more common in America than where I come from. So I guess thats why you guys argue like I killed someone. But whatever. Take your drugs, be the stereotype American we talk about in Europe.

Ok I was wrong about the medical definition about substance abuse. My main point anyway is the ethical and legal side. But arguing about this with people that probably is using it illigaly is a waste of time anyway.

I am also aware of that flue is a viral infection, and you did not really answer my question if you think its right for a doctor or med-student to take lightly on the laws that applie for prescriptive drugs.

You have a really mature way of arguing Excelcius, with pointing out spelling errors. Its the internet, nobody cares. I can see from all the other posts you make on SDN that you love beeing the one arguing in every topic. Ever though about seeing people opinions in the way they view it instead of jumping to attack them?

I respect that people with attention dissorders need supplements for their handicap. But that does not mean that everyone else have the same right to take advantage of these drugs.

I've made my point clear. Call me stupid or whatever. I dont really care and I think I'm allowed to express my opinion.

And for this:

"I remember that you were also whining about how a student that tried to commit suicide was just doing that to get an "advantage" over her classmates. Ok. Enough said."

What the hell are you talking about? You take everything away from the point and make it something up to totaly different. What I said in that post was that that girl was very sick and needed to get her life together before starting med-school. I never said she tried to get an advantage of her classmates. Get you facts straight before you start throwing ****.

Actually I pointed out your spelling error. Again with the concentration issues.

 

[chessknt]

I find it really amusing when people defend Adderall abuse with the argument "you shouldn't care because it isnt your life," yet are 100% for government control over healthcare (not saying it happened in this thread, just something ive encountered irl). How can you support public interference into the life of every American, yet also support noninterference into the life of your peers?

 

[Simmy]

Actually I pointed out your spelling error. Again with the concentration issues.

Yes, but I was adressing him, not you in my post, and since he found it so hillarious I think he made a point of it too. If you have nothing to contribute to the thread than smartass comments then gtfo.

 

[Simmy]

I find it really amusing when people defend Adderall abuse with the argument "you shouldn't care because it isnt your life," yet are 100% for government control over healthcare (not saying it happened in this thread, just something ive encountered irl). How can you support public interference into the life of every American, yet also support noninterference into the life of your peers?

Might be why I have totaly different views than people here since I am from a socialistic country that do have alot of goverment controll in the healthcare (free healthcare).

 

[Dirt]

Really surprised to see the number of medical students advocating the use of prescription drugs without medical supervision or indication.

Most of us have come to realize that often times the difference between what is "perscription" and what is not, as well as what is a "bad drug" versus what is not can be largely political.

Here is some food for thought:
Alcohol
Marijuana
Ephedra (until recently that is)...

 

[aggie08]

Yes, but I was adressing him, not you in my post, and since he found it so hillarious I think he made a point of it too. If you have nothing to contribute to the thread than smartass comments then gtfo.

Allow me to revert to third grade for one second: I'd rather post smartass comments than ******* ones. Okay, I'm done.

Anyway, let me contribute and possibly explain why everyone is so annoyed with this thread:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=669935&highlight=adderall
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=457410&highlight=adderall
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=586454&highlight=adderall
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=591736&highlight=adderall
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=538282&highlight=adderall

We could keep going and going and going. This thread is posted ALL the time and the same time it sparks the same debate with the same stupid arguments. It also doesn't help that you parade around acting like everyone in the US is using drugs to gain an advantage. I don't know of anyone at school using RX stimulants without a prescription.

This thread is being attacked and we are posting what you consider "useless contribution," because it's the same thing seen over and over and over in these forums. This is no debate. Prescription drug use without an RX is illegal. It happens, it's illegal and that's that. You can't do anything about it and it's stupid to start a huge argument over.

Apologies for my comic relief at your expense.

 

[Simmy]

Allow me to revert to third grade for one second: I'd rather post smartass comments than ******* ones. Okay, I'm done.

Anyway, let me contribute and possibly explain why everyone is so annoyed with this thread:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=669935&highlight=adderall
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=457410&highlight=adderall
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=586454&highlight=adderall
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=591736&highlight=adderall
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=538282&highlight=adderall

We could keep going and going and going. This thread is posted ALL the time and the same time it sparks the same debate with the same stupid arguments. It also doesn't help that you parade around acting like everyone in the US is using drugs to gain an advantage. I don't know of anyone at school using RX stimulants without a prescription.

This thread is being attacked and we are posting what you consider "useless contribution," because it's the same thing seen over and over and over in these forums. This is no debate. Prescription drug use without an RX is illegal. It happens, it's illegal and that's that. You can't do anything about it and it's stupid to start a huge argument over.

Apologies for my comic relief at your expense.

Lots of posts, I get your point. I may have been quick to post without searching after having a debate on another forum, but I was more interested in the med-student point of view, and now I got it. I haven't posted here enough to see people hating Adderall threads.

As for the bolded out part: Its pretty well known that those prescriptions are handed out like candy by some doctors. The level to get a prescription in Norway is pretty high. In some cases you have to go to a special clinic, be "locked inside" the whole day so they can measure your levels and effects of the Ritallin so you wont be prescribed a bigger dose than what you get. To make it even clearer. I don't know ANYONE that studies in Norway (or of the Norwegian students here in Poland) that uses Adderall at all with prescription or without.

Anyways, Im done with this discussion. I think we'r not going anywhere with this anyways

 

[Excelsius]

Lots of posts, I get your point. I may have been quick to post without searching after having a debate on another forum, but I was more interested in the med-student point of view, and now I got it. I haven't posted here enough to see people hating Adderall threads.

As for the bolded out part: Its pretty well known that those prescriptions are handed out like candy by some doctors. The level to get a prescription in Norway is pretty high. In some cases you have to go to a special clinic, be "locked inside" the whole day so they can measure your levels and effects of the Ritallin so you wont be prescribed a bigger dose than what you get.

Anyways, Im done with this discussion. I think we'r not going anywhere with this anyways

And this won't be your first thread like this...

In an effort to rectify this trainwreck and perhaps provide the OP with some closure, I'll say that some people who take ADHD drugs without Rx are afraid to get an Rx. At least one person told me that if he were to be diagnosed with ADHD, his insurance premiums would increase a lot and/or he would be uninsurable in case his insurance lapsed. If any of you here are familiar with the validity or the invalidity of that concern and have some solid information, please contribute. So OP, even though it might seem to you that Americans love to abuse drugs or break ethical laws, consider that you might be overlooking an aspect because you are shielded under a socialistic healthcare system and can't comprehend some of the pressures faced by the people in this country. Why do you think anyone would want to keep paying a lot of money to buy these drugs off the streets if an Rx would be much cheaper? Anyone intelligent enough can get an Rx. It is not that hard to do, after all.

 

[Simmy]

And this won't be your first thread like this...

In an effort to rectify this trainwreck and perhaps provide the OP with some closure, I'll say that some people who take ADHD drugs without Rx are afraid to get an Rx. At least one person told me that if he were to be diagnosed with ADHD, his insurance premiums would increase a lot and/or he would be uninsurable in case his insurance lapsed. If any of you here are familiar with the validity or the invalidity of that concern and have some solid information, please contribute. So OP, even though it might seem to you that Americans love to abuse drugs or break ethical laws, consider that you might be overlooking an aspect because you are shielded under a socialistic healthcare system and can't comprehend some of the pressures faced by the people in this country. Why do you think anyone would want to keep paying a lot of money to buy these drugs off the streets if an Rx would be much cheaper? Anyone intelligent enough can get an Rx. It is not that hard to do, after all.

I would keep on discussing with you forever if it wasent for the fact that you have the maturity level of a 13 year old when it comes to discussions... If there was an ignore function in this forum you would be the one and only on my list.

Edit: Found it...

Thank you, good bye!

 

[Excelsius]

I would keep on discussing with you forever if it wasent for the fact that you have the maturity level of a 13 year old when it comes to discussions... If there was an ignore function in this forum you would be the one and only on my list.

Edit: Found it...

Thank you, good bye!

What the hell did I ever do to you? You seem to be having difficulties isolating what is being said to you by various people and then somehow assuming that I have called you "stupid" or ever cared to correct your orthography. My last post was more like help for you trying to divert this thread from all the foodfight. Relax.

But, if it will make you feel better, go for it.

 

[aggie08]

I would keep on discussing with you forever if it wasent for the fact that you have the maturity level of a 13 year old when it comes to discussions... If there was an ignore function in this forum you would be the one and only on my list.

Edit: Found it...

Thank you, good bye!

 

[aggie08]

What the hell did I ever do to you? You seem to be having difficulties isolating what is being said to you by various people and then somehow assuming that I have called you "stupid" or ever cared to correct your orthography. My last post was more like help for you trying to divert this thread from all the foodfight. Relax.

But, if it will make you feel better, go for it.

I don't think you did anything wrong. Just for the record. Not that my smartass opinion counts for anything.

 

[chessknt]

Im chalking it up to a language barrier and possibly a misunderstanding of how forums work.

 

[moldovanits]

Hey you most likely go to lublin medical school. Ill tell you something not to attack you or be rude, but for norwegians its much easier to get through than american students, you guys study and take your sweet time for 6 years, and boom u become MD's, with no board or any crazy test to take. Us americans have to do 4 years of BS and then another 4 years of Medical school plus 3 very hard board exams. If someone needs to take adderal to study then so be it. Dont go around judging others when you have it easy for yourself! Gdluck on being a compassionate physician..