Adderol--anyone NOT with ADD taking it?

[HiddenTruth]

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Hey all, I was wondering whether any of you have tried Adderol to be really focussed when you study, but you dont't have ADD or anything. Is it really that bad if you try it and take it once a while? A lot of people I know take it and get some amazing work done. We all have that "ADD" to an extent which we always exaggerate about--

 

[dacaveman]

but u can't get this without prescription right?

 

[HiddenTruth]

No, but come on....you know there's ways around that. I told you many people in my class take it--t's not that hard to get obviously.

 

[Eraserhead]

Tons of people take it without a prescription. Especially at UCB... that was my experience anyway. It seems like a horrible thing to get into though, I would stick to coffee... if for one reason only, its legal without a prescription and you don't have to worry about what it will do to you in 40 years. That's two reasons but there you go.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Why doesn't anyone who knows people doing this do something about it? These sorry asses are headed for serious problems and turning the other cheek isn't helping them any. Amphetamines are highly addictive and can have serious adverse reactions. This has also got to be the sorriest excuse to abuse drugs ever. Someone needs to confront these people, and if that fails, turn them in to the dean. Most schools are willing to give someone a second chance, provided they agree to treatment and monitoring. I just don't see how these people don't realize just how pathetic what they are doing is.

 

[Rod Farva]

Why doesn't anyone who knows people doing this do something about it? These sorry asses are headed for serious problems and turning the other cheek isn't helping them any. Amphetamines are highly addictive and can have serious adverse reactions. This has also got to be the sorriest excuse to abuse drugs ever. Someone needs to confront these people, and if that fails, turn them in to the dean. Most schools are willing to give someone a second chance, provided they agree to treatment and monitoring. I just don't see how these people don't realize just how pathetic what they are doing is.

C'mon... all the cool kids are trying it.

Seriously, buddy, it's a lot more common than you might think among students, and it's not like med students are running around knocking over liquor stores to get adderall and running around all strung out. I'm not saying I use the stuff, but I definitely know people who have, and if it helps them get their **** done, so be it. Reporting students to the dean is more than a little over the top.

 

[joshua_msu]

ive found that lsd is better at keeping me awake.


there is no way you can fall asleep on acid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Originally posted by Rod Farva
C'mon... all the cool kids are trying it.

Seriously, buddy, it's a lot more common than you might think among students, and it's not like med students are running around knocking over liquor stores to get adderall and running around all strung out. I'm not saying I use the stuff, but I definitely know people who have, and if it helps them get their **** done, so be it. Reporting students to the dean is more than a little over the top.

I hope it's not a lot more common than I think. I haven't heard of anyone at my school doing this stuff. I don't want to see a doctor that has to use mind altering drugs in order to perform normal daily functions. In reality, there is a large number of medstudents and physicians who succumb to drug addiction, and none of them start out believing that their use will ever negatively impact their lives. Okay, so someone occasionally uses adderol to help them study for a test. Then, when they become a doc they start occasionally using sedatives to help them sleep, and pretty soon they're using the key to the candy store to support a narcotic addiction. The point is that they are using drugs for purposes that the drugs are not intended to be used for, and that is drug abuse - dangerous and illegal. I just heard about a doc who wrote himself a scrip for 1500 vicodins and was shortly visisted by the DEA. This is serious stuff, and yes there are medstudents walking around strung out. Some of them will get help, and some of them won't. Some of them will never become docs, and some will become docs and then lose their license ( or lives). I don't think I'm being overly dramatic here, you really can't take this stuff too lightly.

 

[hiphopcutie44]

all i have to say is that **** is amazing, it is also HIGHLY addictive and should defiently be taken with caution. as long as you are responsible it can be a very valuable study tool.

 

[hiphopcutie44]

just to add to what was posted already (i hadnt read it all when i posted my reply)

First of if you drink that much coffee it will have negative effects on you too, so that isnt nesecarily a harmfree option.

Secondly, Aderall and other ADH drugs are MUCH more common that i think many of you realize. It is just one of those things that most people dont talk about, especially in med school because everybody tries to put on a front about how smart they are.

 

[hiphopcutie44]

"The point is that they are using drugs for purposes that the drugs are not intended to be used for, and that is drug abuse"

-They are using the drugs for exactly the intended use that they were meant for. To help one concentrate, speciically on school work.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Originally posted by hiphopcutie44

-They are using the drugs for exactly the intended use that they were meant for. To help one concentrate, speciically on school work.

They are NOT using the drugs for exactly what they are intended for. They are intended to be used by people diagnosed with attention deficit disorder, not by medical students trying to be more efficient. The drugs are intended to be prescribed by a physician, not bought and sold illegaly in shady drug deals. Good luck being "responsible" with this "HIGHLY addictive" controlled substance. It it truly frightening to see future physicians nonchalantly breaking the principles of their profession, let alone the law.

 

[Gleevec]

So since med school is so much harder than undergrad anyway, what are people who take this stuff in undergrad going to do in med school? Up their dosage proportionally? Defeat tolerance through increased doses?

And what about people in med school who are taking it. What are they going to do in residency? Pop more pills.

I like how people try to pass it off as "oh its a common thing to do". Yes it might be, but that doesnt make it right. You are still buying a drug illegally. You are still using a drug for a purpose other than what it was designed and is indicated for.

I have to agree with Dr. Octopus on this one. Good luck being responsible with adderall, though it seems as one would have lost any notion of responsibility once they began buying controlled substances illegally and loading your body up with stimulants that are normally regulated by a doctor.

 

[aphistis]

We've got a bunch of future physicians in this thread, and apparently none of them see any problem with someone self-medicating themselves with Schedule II stimulants, completely absent medical order or supervision. In case any of y'all have forgotten, there's a reason controlled drugs are controlled.

Geez, you'd think this one would be a no-brainer. 🙄

 

[princessd3]

A pharmacist I worked with once told me that he used Ritalin in pharmacy school to focus. He said all his friends did it. He even asked me if I wanted some. I refused of course.

 

[rotatores]

A good thing about USUHS is they give random Golden Flow tests...this prevents punks from using Adderol.

Rotatores

 

[Finally M3]

I'll have to admit, I've been tempted to try adderal or ritalin, but partly because I think I may have undiagnosed ADD. Literally, I can't sit still for more than an hour studying before I have to switch to something else (magazines, newspapers, etc.).

Of course, it doesn't help that your average medical textbook is as exciting as counting the tiles on a ceiling.



PS And y'all who ARE taking that stuff better find out what the half-life of amphetamines are, 'cause every residency program I've been to thus far seems to require a drug test prior to entrance. Kinda/sorta would suck a$$ if you flopped that....goodbye FDA privileges!

 

[mdterps83]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, i get it. Its only addictive and harmful if you take it without a prescription.

Originally posted by hiphopcutie44



all i have to say is that **** is amazing, it is also HIGHLY addictive and should defiently be taken with caution. as long as you are responsible it can be a very valuable study tool.

🙄

 

[mdterps83]

The half life for nearly all the most dangerous drugs is 72 hours; coke, opiates, pcp, amphetamines
marijuana is 3 days 3 weeks

Originally posted by Finally M3
I'll have to admit, I've been tempted to try adderal or ritalin, but partly because I think I may have undiagnosed ADD. Literally, I can't sit still for more than an hour studying before I have to switch to something else (magazines, newspapers, etc.).

Of course, it doesn't help that your average medical textbook is as exciting as counting the tiles on a ceiling.



PS And y'all who ARE taking that stuff better find out what the half-life of amphetamines are, 'cause every residency program I've been to thus far seems to require a drug test prior to entrance. Kinda/sorta would suck a$$ if you flopped that....goodbye FDA privileges!

 

[NikkiFSU]

Lol

 

[Sharkfan]

Dude, the docs in my hometown give that stuff out like candy. Hurrah for the cultural phenomena that is ADD/ADHD!!

Just for the record though, my sister is on it, offers it to me, and I would never use it. I have insane powers of concentration and know I don't need it.

 

[Mirror Form]

Okay, so someone occasionally uses adderol to help them study for a test. Then, when they become a doc they start occasionally using sedatives to help them sleep, and pretty soon they're using the key to the candy store to support a narcotic addiction.

Chill out dude, this whole slippery slope thing is a little extreme. I would hope medical students would be smart enough not to use amphetamines frequently. I've taken ritalin before to help study and a few times recreationally for going clubbing. Since I haven't used it in over a year I don't feel too addicted, and I never was since I only used it occasionally before a huge test or something. As long as people are smart enough to moderate their use, then there is NOTHING dangerous about it. Of course there are people who are complete idiots and abuse it, thereby putting themselves in danger of addiction. Although, I can't say I have much sympathy for anyone smart enough to get into medical school that lets that happen to themselves (unless maybe they were in danger of failing and just used the ritalin or adderal to pass).

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Quit crying pal and jump on the bandwagon. You're prolly just jealous. And before you get on your soapbox with ME, know that I am ADHD diagnosed and legally allowed to use it. But like the other person said, you don't see CRACKHEAD medical students running aroun psycho tearing down liquor stores. Quit being such a nag.

Nikki....I am so jealous of you and your right to legally take the drug that all these other people are abusing. You are also right about crackhead medical student not tearing down liquor stores-I have never seen one. I have seen statistics about high rates of drug abuse among physicians, and have spoken to physicians who have lost all of their priviliges and won't ever be able to practice again...oops there I go nagging again. People that become addicted just aren't smart enough. Smart people don't get addicted to things. That's why doctors never get addicted to anything...wait a minute.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

I would hope medical students would be smart enough not to use amphetamines frequently. QUOTE]

So what I am getting from you and others on this board is that the reason people get addicted to things is because they aren't smart. If you are smart, you can illegaly use drugs without the supervision of a physician and not get addicted. If you are smart, you also won't get caught buying or selling them. If you are smart, you could make it all the way through 4 years of undergrad, 4 years of medschool, and 3+ years of residency only using it when you need it. Hopefully someone will have sympathy for you if somewhere along the way you get f'd-up.

 

[Mirror Form]

So what I am getting from you and others on this board is that the reason people get addicted to things is because they aren't smart.

Well I think we'd both agree that it would be stupid for anyone to abuse amphetamines enough to get addicted.

If you are smart, you can illegaly use drugs without the supervision of a physician and not get addicted.

Drugs like ritalin that really aren't that addictive and have been proven safe in clinical trials can certainly be used safely once in awhile, but not frequently. You're extending the argument to all illegal drugs which is ridiculous.

If you are smart, you also won't get caught buying or selling them.

Oh yeah, b/c there are so many sting operations for ritalin and adderall. I've never bought either from anybody other then one of my personal friends with a prescription anyway (not that he had ADHD).

Hopefully someone will have sympathy for you if somewhere along the way if you get f'd-up.

Don't worry, I won't need it.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Okay Sledge, whatever you say. The drug is proven to be safe (except for a high potential for abuse), and people shouldn't worry about abusing it so long as they don't abuse it enough to become addicted. Also don't worry about getting caught with it without a scrip because it's only schedule II. They should have this stuff in vending machines 🙂

 

[SaltySqueegee]

It sounds to me that either people are taking on too much in their lives, which the medical profession almost necessitates, or they haven't learned to balance out their lives.

Try balancing life, then drug addictions after.

And if I had to start a poll, I would be the first one to vote for coffee as my stimulant of choice.

I mean, come on! Xanthines have a half life somewhere in the range of 8 hours, which is more than enough to get you through at least half of a doctor's work day. Plus, the psycho withdrawal effects only last for 1.5days (personal experience; excruciating headaches, etc.). And after the withdrawal, you have a tai chi, yoga-like peacefulness that is pretty bitchen.

All that and it's legal, doesn't impair judgement to any great degree, plus hallucinations don't come till after 36hours of no sleep. Also, a few articles out there have shown beneficial effects on people at risk for strokes and MI.

Oh yeah, and everyone else is doing it. 😉

Remember this: Titrate to effect and not beyond! 😀

 

[madtowngirl]

Now I know why my class is forced to sit through lecture after lecture about physician addiction. This kind of thing isn't something that I'd shrug about and look away. If I knew any classmates who were taking stuff like this too frequently, you can be sure I'd try to find a way to stop them, for their own sake. There has to be a better way to make it through med school. We're all busy, that doesn't mean we need drugs to make it through the day.

 

[Gauss]

Now I know why my class is forced to sit through lecture after lecture about physician addiction. This kind of thing isn't something that I'd shrug about and look away. If I knew any classmates who were taking stuff like this too frequently, you can be sure I'd try to find a way to stop them, for their own sake. There has to be a better way to make it through med school. We're all busy, that doesn't mean we need drugs to make it through the day.

True
but you'd be surprised how many in your class are using the stuff. I'd go so far as to say 20%.
It's really not your responsibility to make them stop, but rather to bring it their attention and express your concern. HOwever, are they really impaired? Are they dangerous or in imminent harm to patients or themselves? THat's a tough call

 

[SaltySqueegee]

True
but you'd be surprised how many in your class are using the stuff. I'd go so far as to say 20%.
It's really not your responsibility to make them stop, but rather to bring it their attention and express your concern. HOwever, are they really impaired? Are they dangerous or in imminent harm to patients or themselves? THat's a tough call

Rant mode on:

Yes, it is my responsibility, and further more I believe it is the sick American notion of individualism that is the cause of this mentality. What ever happened to community responsibility.

Rant mode off:

In all honesty, I have had to confront family members who have taken drugs (not just ADD meds, but crack cocaine and LSD) and it does very little sometimes. However, I would rather have my opinion known, than to have any regrets about not telling/warning a friend. On the other hand, I've had some of my friends who were hooked, "woken-up", by what I had to say. It works, at least superficially, sometimes.

 

[Gauss]

you can rant all you want
but the fact is it is NOT your responsibility to make someone quit
YOu are not their psychiatrist/therapist, you are not an expert on addiction medicine, you are NOT their phsyician!
You should express your concerns and help them seek help.
There are boundaries you need to adhere to.

 

[39094]

So obviously those that would use something like Adderall without a prescription are taking the whole premed/med/residency thing as game. It's more important to win the game than to worry about your health. Obviously these people PROBABLY aren't dangerous to their patients, which is fine.

But since they see this as a game, I have every right to treat it as a game too. We take away awards from people who use Epo or Darbe before they compete, so why shouldn't we do the same for loser med students who have an unfair edge over us by taking Adderall? Someone who takes Epo is probably not going to hurt themselves that much and isn't hurting anyone else by doing it, but those that get caught are still screwed in their future as athletes.

So, take all the Adderall that you want, just make sure the rest of us who like to play life clean don't find out about it. If you want to treat life as a game that has to be won by any means necessary, don't be surprised if I feel the same way and report your ass to administration when I find out.

 

[nutmegs]

So obviously those that would use something like Adderall without a prescription are taking the whole premed/med/residency thing as game. It's more important to win the game than to worry about your health. Obviously these people PROBABLY aren't dangerous to their patients, which is fine.

But since they see this as a game, I have every right to treat it as a game too. We take away awards from people who use Epo or Darbe before they compete, so why shouldn't we do the same for loser med students who have an unfair edge over us by taking Adderall? Someone who takes Epo is probably not going to hurt themselves that much and isn't hurting anyone else by doing it, but those that get caught are still screwed in their future as athletes.

So, take all the Adderall that you want, just make sure the rest of us who like to play life clean don't find out about it. If you want to treat life as a game that has to be won by any means necessary, don't be surprised if I feel the same way and report your ass to administration when I find out.

http://www3.telus.net/eddyelmer/Artics/stimsfu.htm


also, I remember why I don't come around SDN more... people are far too uptight and whiny.

 

[NikkiFSU]

I really agree with the uptight and whiny comment.

 

[bgreet]

Yea its sad that drug use is so common. People like to just take things now adays to make life easier instead of working a little harder at them. I mean you're playing with narcotics here, and your not even using it for recreational purposes! Doing well in medical school isn't indicative of how good a physician you will be, so just relax. I think its a problem of people uptight enough that they feel the need to take narcotics just to do well enough, but hey whatever its their lives. People take this whole med school thing way too seriously, just do your best, and if you don't cut it then maybe you should find something else to do. Its the individuals own responsibility for what they take and dont. If you want, be their friend and warn them but don't rat just to get them in trouble.

BTW Nikki: Like anything else, in excess adderall can cause some serious health risks and its the addiction level of adderall that really poses the problem. So while it might not have as immediate repercussions as other meds, because of its highly addictive nature in the end it can cause some problems. But like I said earlier, its up to the individual on whether or not they want to trash their lives and take it, or if they feel that they wield enough responsibility to self medicate.

 

[NikkiFSU]

There is no need for your ranting.

 

[bgreet]

Well, your first problem is that you made it personal. I replied to a statement you made, and my reply was not intended for your situation or you personally, in fact I wasn't even talking about people that have perscriptions or go to a doctor. I am not accusing you of ANYTHING at all. I'm certain you work hard, you have a need for this medication, and thats perfectly fine. I was referring to those that self diagnose and self medicate, and those are the people that play with narcotics. And to conclude I was just responding with my opinion just like you and everyone else on this thread.

Also, I agree with you and your point that addiction is a personal thing, and that only a small percentage of people become addicted even to narcotics. All I am trying to say is that Adderalls clasification as a narcotic is there for a reason, and that it is known to have a high rate of addiction. Other drugs you mentioned, such as Xanax, may have more potent properties but their addiction level is considered lower, hence they are a level 2 control.

 

[39094]

One more time. I am talking about concentration here. You? Work ethic. I work very hard. I am the responsible one who turns my friends ALL THE TIME to get my schoolwork done when they go party, with no complaints. I am dedicated and it is not adderall, it's a personality trait.

Seriously, why do you have to make it so personal. So you have a script for adderall and it works for you. FANTASTIC! I have no problem with you, you're the one that seems to have a problem with everyone else.

What I do have a problem with is those who take adderall and DON'T have a script for it. Where do you think they get it from? I can just about guarantee that most don't just "borrow" a few pills from their friends.

Most of this stuff makes its way into the market through theft. Whether that's stealing someone else's bottle of pills or raiding a pharmacy. Either way, it's still illegal (and a felony in a number of states). Maybe the premed students aren't the one doing the theiving, but when they pay the pill pusher they're just as guilty.

This isn't about your legal use of a drug, this is about a HUGE number of people using the drug without a script. And don't give me the blah blah blah that ADHD is SO horribly underdiagnosed. That's a bunch of crap, if anything the doc's give these kind of pills out more than they should. Besides, if we could accurately self-diagnose then what would be the point of having a prescription drug system in the first place? Ow, I hurt my toe! Quick, give me some demerol! Where the hell is the difference? And don't say "Adderall's not as bad as demerol" both are addicitve and you could get hooked on either one.

I love the people who say "it's ok, I can control myself, I know what I'm doing." I see plenty of addicts that come into the ER all the time that said the exact same things.

You're welcome to use whatever drug you want in your own home, I could care less. But if you bring that into public where I become aware of it, I have and ETHICAL and MORAL obligation to report that to the dean. This is especially true of med students (and no need to talk about again how med students on whatever drug aren't a danger to their patients).

 

[SaltySqueegee]

I don't give two $hits if you think it is going to make you perform better on a test. My concern is other's health as well as mine. And don't tell me it's just for extra concentration. I've seen drugs get out of control, when they were supposed to be used in only certain situations.

For concentration or not, you are not as nearly impaired as the ADD children that my wife teaches in special education. Next time you can't focus enough to write your name on a peace of paper, then I'll hook you up with some mind altering medications.

Need anyone mention the long lasting effect of messing with Brain Chemistry! Hello doctors and doctors to be!

In the end I realize it's your own body, and that I can't stop anyone, but I will have my opinion, and my opinion is out there... sheesh.

And yes, this world is a community effort, so your actions do effect people outside of yourself.

 

[leorl]

I'm not really going to say much on this whole thing. Just generalizations: 1) ADD/ADHD is WAY over-diagnosed in the US. I personally believe it's just a cop out excuse for many "patients" and doctors. 2) Point blank, taking prescription drugs without a script is illegal. Don't do it. 3) It's MUCH better and healthier to fulfill your body's needs the natural way rather than relying on a pill. Try actually getting enough sleep, putting yourself in situations where you can't get distracted for studying (ie. turn off the bloody computer!), exercising so you can sleep, etc.

 

[39094]

I'm not really going to say much on this whole thing. Just generalizations: 1) ADD/ADHD is WAY over-diagnosed in the US. I personally believe it's just a cop out excuse for many "patients" and doctors. 2) Point blank, taking prescription drugs without a script is illegal. Don't do it. 3) It's MUCH better and healthier to fulfill your body's needs the natural way rather than relying on a pill. Try actually getting enough sleep, putting yourself in situations where you can't get distracted for studying (ie. turn off the bloody computer!), exercising so you can sleep, etc.

Word. Makes perfect sense to me.

I've taken 24 units during more than one semester and never felt the need to pop a pill to keep on top of things. Did I feel overwhelmed sometimes? Sure. Did I have NO social life those semesters? Sure. But I survived and pulled a 4.0 for both of those semesters.

It's called using your time effectively people.....

 

[jennie 21]

I have ADD and take dexedrine (similar to Ritalin). While I agree with the idea that no one should be taking prescription drugs without a prescription, from my own experience with dexedrine it is not very addictive. I've stopped taking it for weeks at a time, over vacations, without any problems. I don't have any kind of desire to take it over vacations, don't feel any cravings, don't have any symptoms of withdrawal or anything like that as with most substances that are addictive. Maybe dexedrine is less addictive than ritalin or adderol, or maybe it's because I'm on a very low does, or maybe it's that I don't have an "addictive personality" but personally I haven't found dexedrine to be addictive at all. I don't get "high" from taking it, I don't crave it, and I've never increased the dose or anything like that. Frankly, I'm not sure what difference it makes, in terms of addiction potential, that I have a prescription and others don't. It seems to me that if this stuff was that addictive, then I would have gotten addicted to it even though I have a prescription for it. If somebody who didn't have a prescription for it decided to take it anyway in the same manner that I do (same dose, same frequency) I doubt if they would get addicted either, unless they're one of those people who have addictive tendencies. I do think there's more of a potential for abuse when you take it without a prescription because you're more likely to take a higher dose to get a "high" or to increase the dose as you develop tolerance to the effect, simply because no one's monitoring you. And I agree that it's irresponsible and kind of ironic for future doctors to be abusing the prescription drugs they will one day be prescribing. But as to the idea that this is going to lead to wide-spread addiciton and strung-out medical students, I don't really agree with that. If a drug can be used by people who have a prescription without them becoming addicted to it, then people who use the drug in the same way without a prescription shouldn't get addicted either. I'm not endorsing people using drugs without a prescription, I think that's abusive and irresponsible and posssibly dangerous (if you have an undiagnosed heart condition, for example, or if you take too much). But I don't believe the arguement that everyone who tries this stuff is going down the road to addiction. That doesn't make it okay to use this stuff without a prescription, but let's not blow things out of proportion.

 

[NikkiFSU]

Seriously, why do you have to make it so personal. So you have a script for adderall and it works for you. FANTASTIC! I have no problem with you, you're the one that seems to have a problem with everyone else.

What I do have a problem with is those who take adderall and DON'T have a script for it. Where do you think they get it from? I can just about guarantee that most don't just "borrow" a few pills from their friends.

Most of this stuff makes its way into the market through theft. Whether that's stealing someone else's bottle of pills or raiding a pharmacy. Either way, it's still illegal (and a felony in a number of states). Maybe the premed students aren't the one doing the theiving, but when they pay the pill pusher they're just as guilty.

This isn't about your legal use of a drug, this is about a HUGE number of people using the drug without a script. And don't give me the blah blah blah that ADHD is SO horribly underdiagnosed. That's a bunch of crap, if anything the doc's give these kind of pills out more than they should. Besides, if we could accurately self-diagnose then what would be the point of having a prescription drug system in the first place? Ow, I hurt my toe! Quick, give me some demerol! Where the hell is the difference? And don't say "Adderall's not as bad as demerol" both are addicitve and you could get hooked on either one.

I love the people who say "it's ok, I can control myself, I know what I'm doing." I see plenty of addicts that come into the ER all the time that said the exact same things.

You're welcome to use whatever drug you want in your own home, I could care less. But if you bring that into public where I become aware of it, I have and ETHICAL and MORAL obligation to report that to the dean. This is especially true of med students (and no need to talk about again how med students on whatever drug aren't a danger to their patients).

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[nutmegs]

I'm not really going to say much on this whole thing. Just generalizations: 1) ADD/ADHD is WAY over-diagnosed in the US. I personally believe it's just a cop out excuse for many "patients" and doctors.

wow... you should probably publish, I know a lot of people/psychiatrists who would LOVE to have your supernatural insight on that 👍

 

[bivwack]

Wow, its been a while since I have been on SDN, and with good reason, some of you just love to preach, get over your selves...Yea ADD does exist overdiagnosed, underdiagnosed, misdiagnosed not sure which one. If stimulant meds help someone study and get better grades chances are they probably would get a script for them. Me, stimulants wouldn't do much for me, I have a ADD diagnosis and take staterra, wouldn't be w/o a chance encounter w/ a psychiatrist I talked to in my first semester as a MSI, he told me to go to behavior Health at my HMO, after a long interview I have add, before straterra, I smoked pot when I needed to study and it worked great , my shrink told me I was self medicating, very common. For a long while, when I didn't have ins. it worked fine, the straterra works but not as good as weed, but these are the choices I am left with , So you gonna turn me into the dean?

 

[bivwack]

And oh yea

Word. Makes perfect sense to me.

I've taken 24 units during more than one semester and n Did I feel overwhelmed sometimes? Sure.

It's called using your time effectively people.....

Word makes perfect sense to me,

I always see these oncology patients walking around at clinic bitching about this hurts, that hurts and I don't feel good. And tell them I never felt the need to pop a pill to keep on top of things. I've taken 24 units during more than one semester, bitch! Did I have NO social life those semesters? Sure. But I survived and pulled a 4.0 for both of those semesters. be-atch!

And yea that cured everything......

get over yourself dick, your gonna be a doc soon, try not to be so judgmental.

 

[leorl]

Ok, I'm not sure why people are getting so defensive and resorting to personal insults. It's not needed. Watch the profanity.

 

[kinetic]

Seriously, consider employment with the DEA. You seem very concerned with your "ethical and moral obligations" of the insignificant "abuse" of an attention-deficit treating drug. FANTASTIC. You are a nark.

Yeah! Get with the program and stop judging people! Do what feels good! Go with the flow! Everyone knows only stuffed shirts try to ruin our fun! Oh, by the way, if we get hurt with any of our fun (like when we get loaded up and drunk) - THEN we want you to turn into mommy and daddy and make everything better.

People do things, deal with it. Tough for you. You can't save the world. Seriously apply with the DEA. If you are sitting in medical school worrying about who does what, get a girlfriend or something, you should worry about your damn self. Who cares what you saw in the ER. That's cool.

NikkiFSU is another person who equates being mature with "not getting laid". Versus her, who is so "with it" and "hip" that she gets gang-banged by fifteen guys every Saturday, I assume. Since being "cool" means you get sexed up in NikkiFSU's little world. Oh, wait ...I sound judgemental. Must be because I can't "get any".

Know-it-alls like you speak so sure but never went through it.

Yeah, you can't make statements about drugs before you use them! Good logic! I guess we can't judge child molesters either until we've tried it - who knows, we might ALL enjoy that, right? And unless you've been raped, who's to say that may not be OK? Let's stop being judgemental!

For more fun posts dissecting this dolt's drunken commentary, go to:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=1384422&postcount=83

 

[jennie 21]

Wow, so much for reasonable intelligent discourse I guess...this thread is turning into a flame war.

 

[Catfish John]

Girl, I'm embarrassed for you 👎

Report to the dean? If it bothers you what others do, don't worry about it. Seriously, consider employment with the DEA. You seem very concerned with your "ethical and moral obligations" of the insignificant "abuse" of an attention-deficit treating drug. FANTASTIC. You are a nark. Momma would be proud. You were prolly raised in an uptight, stuffy, rich little cottage on an island nobody has ever heard of. People do things, deal with it. Tough for you. You can't save the world. Seriously apply with the DEA. If you are sitting in medical school worrying about who does what, get a girlfriend or something, you should worry about your damn self.
Who cares what you saw in the ER. That's cool. But you can' sit in a medical class and point out which students would be addicted to a drug and which wouldn't. You don't know what you are talking about. Some people can use things in MODERATION. And demerol for a stubbed toe? You talk like the world is flooded with a giant pool of self-medicating psychotic drug addicts.

Time management? That is so ridiculous, you talk like ADHD people get no sleep, study in the subway, and cry to the doctor that they cannot get work done. Know-it-alls like you speak so sure but never went through it. Congratulations that you locked yourself up in a steel box with "24 units" to study for and got a 4.0. You're cool. I spend a ton of time studying. You don't know me and when you generalize that people on adderall just should take other approaches, you are making ignorant gneralizations. I have great grades and a job and a life and make time for HW but sorry DUDE, 5 hours for a 1 hour assignment doesn't cut it. I still need to get loaded every now and then.