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Chief resident at my program just put it out to us about an hour and a half ago. From his source, they haven't given any details to the residents either . Between Hahnemann and OVMC, we may have room for a couple more displaced residents when the time comes.
 

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Dear lord. This stuff has to stop happening. What a shame, I feel awful for the residents there. I have zero knowledge of what happened there, but it does look like from the acgme timeline they were up for their full accreditation this year, so I presume their site visit did not go well. Total speculation. Regardless, totally stinks for those residents mid training. Just an awful situation, once again.
 
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Never fully accredited by ACGME. Was an AOA program trying to transition. Probably had some stuff to fix after the initial accreditation visit and didn’t get it done.


the ADS also says that the effective date for withdrawal of accreditation is June 30 2021 so I don’t think they are orphaning any current residents.
 
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If I was ever trying to get my program accredited or pass an ACGME visit, I'd just hire whoever this HCA **** is that keeps giving ACGME ******** under the table. They've managed to open like 6 residencies in FL. ACGME just smiles. Corrupt morons.
 

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Never fully accredited by ACGME. Was an AOA program trying to transition. Probably had some stuff to fix after the initial accreditation visit and didn’t get it done
I think until we hear from someone on the inside this is the best guess. Their program info on the acgme website shows their full accreditation site visit to be this fall. So the timeline would fit that it didnt go well. Im sure someone will find out what went down.

I know nothing about Adena, but one thing I didnt like about the merger was it seemed that the initial accreditation was kind of a little more lax to give time to get things in order for full accreditation. Which I thought was kind of dangerous for some of the smaller AOA programs. You either meet the standards or you dont. I wonder if this will happen to any of the other AOA programs that transitioned?
 

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I know they just had a new CMG takeover in their ED. Heard they couldn’t staff with a lot of the attendings. Probably part of the reason.
 
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If only a few more closed down now. On one side you guys lament over the residency expansion, on the other end you feel remorse over some of these new iffy programs closing down. Having a ridiculous number of subpar residencies is not good for our specialty. I went to a 40 year old established program. As a new attending, I'm still scared **** of so many things after getting really good training. Being an ER doctor is incredibly difficult. There needs to be a standard for programs that is maintained.

Yeah residents will have orphan status. But acgme ensures they get a spot at another program and graduate on time.
 
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That’s a bummer. Their PD did a podcast episode on Zac Olsen’s EMClerkship recently, and sounded like a very genuine guy who was working hard to build his program.

I’m fact, Zac asked him if he had any risk of losing their contract or having a summa like situation and the PD said no (paraphrasing).

Hope this doesn’t happen to whatever residency I pick.
 
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Yeah, that was also Mike Weinstock's program, of EM bouncebacks (and EMRAP). I'm sure they had other accomplished faculty. Sad to see, but I agree with the poster above that said that programs that are on shaky ground getting closed isn't a bad thing in the long run. Just stinks for the faculty and residents currently there in the short run.
 

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Dear lord. This stuff has to stop happening. What a shame, I feel awful for the residents there. I have zero knowledge of what happened there, but it does look like from the acgme timeline they were up for their full accreditation this year, so I presume their site visit did not go well. Total speculation. Regardless, totally stinks for those residents mid training. Just an awful situation, once again.
Does need to stop? I can think of 15 or 20 other disaster programs that could use a little natural selection. Remember, 80% of this subforum’s bandwidth is spent bemoaning the labor glut that has developed in the field. Fixing that omelette will require that we break some eggs.
 
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Does need to stop? I can think of 15 or 20 other disaster programs that could use a little natural selection. Remember, 80% of this subforum’s bandwidth is spent bemoaning the labor glut that has developed in the field. Fixing that omelette will require that we break some eggs.
Well it needs to stop because "disaster programs" shouldn't be accreditted in the first place. I really think the initial accredidation for the AOA to ACGME transition should have been more rigid; you either met ACGME criteria or you didn't. Programs had 5 years to get there in the first place.

Although again, I don't know if Adena was a bad program. They may have offered great training in the past, then just had a CMG takeover and had a bunch of faculty quit. Who knows. Until we hear from someone in the inside, I don't think its fair to label every program closure as a disaster program. Things can change quickly if all of a sudden a hospital gets bought out, or the faculty contract is terminated and given to a CMG, etc.
 
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