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Hey everyone, I will be starting medical school in the fall. I just wanted to ask if there was any pertinent advice from current medical students for those coming in. Any regrets? Anything you could change if had to do it all over again? What worked best for you during your time in med school, etc!

Thanks a lot!
 
gunning even before entering med school. not cool

lol I'm in a special master's program taking medical school classes. Cooperation and study groups aren't gunning.
 
Hey everyone, I will be starting medical school in the fall. I just wanted to ask if there was any pertinent advice from current medical students for those coming in. Any regrets? Anything you could change if had to do it all over again? What worked best for you during your time in med school, etc!

Thanks a lot!

There is a 50% chance you'll be in the dumb half of the class. If that happens don't be upset.
 
Start mentally preparing for your children not loving you
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Hey everyone, I will be starting medical school in the fall. I just wanted to ask if there was any pertinent advice from current medical students for those coming in. Any regrets? Anything you could change if had to do it all over again? What worked best for you during your time in med school, etc!

Thanks a lot!

-Average does not mean mediocre. You're in a class full of overachievers. Don't panic unless you're failing/close to failing.
-I second the making of anki cards in cooperation with some other people. It's a huge PITA to do it by yourself.
 
If you are even possibly interested in something that is competitive, buy a first aid and start using it alone side of your classes. Take this advice with a grain of salt. Some people will say it's too much. I started doing this around Nov-Dec and wish I had really started in the beginning. Making an anki deck of the relevant sections in first aid with your friends will be great if you think you can keep it up. If you put the time in early, you will have a lot less stress at the end.
 
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If you are even possibly interested in something that is competitive, buy a first aid and start using it alone side of your classes. Take this advice with a grain of salt. Some people will say it's too much. I started doing this around Nov-Dec and wish I had really started in the beginning. Making an anki deck of the relevant sections in first aid with your friends will be great if you think you can keep it up. If you put the time in early, you will have a lot less stress at the end.
I think this is good advice. What I did was make flashcards with the First Aid concepts pasted in and then you can add to it. Do this type of grunt work before classes start.
 
Hey everyone, I will be starting medical school in the fall. I just wanted to ask if there was any pertinent advice from current medical students for those coming in. Any regrets? Anything you could change if had to do it all over again? What worked best for you during your time in med school, etc!

Thanks a lot!
Buy or borrow an older student's class lecture notes and photocopy them. If they have the audio/video files then copy those to your hard drive.
 
1) Make time in M1 and M2 for career exploration, especially fields that are not part of your third year rotations. Pretty much all the competitive fields require research and strong letters, so if you end up loving one, better to find out early so you have time to put together a strong application.

2) In a class of 150 people, you will find 150 different study methods. Listen to all the advice and then find what works for you.

3) Seek help early and often, ideally before a problem actually happens. This applies to academics, social, personal -- everything. Your school wants you to succeed and will do everything it can to help you. They can do a lot more for you if you seek help early.

4) Focus on yourself and don't worry about what others are doing. If you hear that so-and-so only studied for 2 hours before the exam and the aced it, it's absolute bull. On the 0.0001% chance it's true, good for them and who cares? Do what you need to do.

5) The people who complain loudly and often about one thing will likely complain about everything else. For many med students, complaining is either a coping mechanism or a subtle way of bragging about how much they can take.

6) Pass. This is your number one goal. Worry about Step 1 and residency apps later. Initially, take it one exam at a time until you know what it takes to comfortably pass. Don't assume that you'll be fine because you did well in college -- so did everyone who failed a class. Start strong and then titrate your efforts once you feel things out.

7) Take advantage of every opportunity your school gives you. Tutoring. Faculty review sessions. Everything. You've already paid for it, so use it. I went to tutoring religiously and would do it again in a heartbeat -- so did everyone else at the top of my class. A couple hours a week with people who just took your exam -- you'd have to be an idiot to pass that up.

8) Don't listen to boards advice from people who haven't actually taken it yet. They will be very surprised at how much stuff appears that they said wasn't boards relevant.

9) Forget high vs low yield. For boards and even classes, if you want a top score, then everything is high yield. High yield is what you think about in your final days before boards, not for the 2 years preceding it. If you add up all the "low yield" stuff, you get a pretty hefty chunk of potential points.

10) Don't blow off the fluff. I've seen people miss out on AOA or fail and have to remediate because they blew off the fluffy stuff. Consider everything important.
 
1) Make time in M1 and M2 for career exploration, especially fields that are not part of your third year rotations. Pretty much all the competitive fields require research and strong letters, so if you end up loving one, better to find out early so you have time to put together a strong application.

2) In a class of 150 people, you will find 150 different study methods. Listen to all the advice and then find what works for you.

3) Seek help early and often, ideally before a problem actually happens. This applies to academics, social, personal -- everything. Your school wants you to succeed and will do everything it can to help you. They can do a lot more for you if you seek help early.

4) Focus on yourself and don't worry about what others are doing. If you hear that so-and-so only studied for 2 hours before the exam and the aced it, it's absolute bull. On the 0.0001% chance it's true, good for them and who cares? Do what you need to do.

5) The people who complain loudly and often about one thing will likely complain about everything else. For many med students, complaining is either a coping mechanism or a subtle way of bragging about how much they can take.

6) Pass. This is your number one goal. Worry about Step 1 and residency apps later. Initially, take it one exam at a time until you know what it takes to comfortably pass. Don't assume that you'll be fine because you did well in college -- so did everyone who failed a class. Start strong and then titrate your efforts once you feel things out.

7) Take advantage of every opportunity your school gives you. Tutoring. Faculty review sessions. Everything. You've already paid for it, so use it. I went to tutoring religiously and would do it again in a heartbeat -- so did everyone else at the top of my class. A couple hours a week with people who just took your exam -- you'd have to be an idiot to pass that up.

8) Don't listen to boards advice from people who haven't actually taken it yet. They will be very surprised at how much stuff appears that they said wasn't boards relevant.

9) Forget high vs low yield. For boards and even classes, if you want a top score, then everything is high yield. High yield is what you think about in your final days before boards, not for the 2 years preceding it. If you add up all the "low yield" stuff, you get a pretty hefty chunk of potential points.

10) Don't blow off the fluff. I've seen people miss out on AOA or fail and have to remediate because they blew off the fluffy stuff. Consider everything important.

Fantastic advice, every single point.
 
1. Focus on doing well in classes.
2. Get involved with the department early on (before the end of the first semester) and find out if it's what you really want to do.
3. If so, this will give you enough time to set up research for the summer if research is expected for this field.
4. Forget about 2-3 until you've done 1 and had a few tests to get adjusted. The transition to med school from whatever you're doing right now cannot be overstated, IMO.
5. If during any part of 1-4 you're thinking "I'm doing this to make my residency app strong" before "I'm doing this because it's enjoyable/interesting/challenging", stop and evaluate your motivation and/or consider a different field.
 
That has nothing to do with being a gunner.

Unless the cards are all incorrect.
making fun of gathering with his "nerdy" friends to study is harassing and gunning.
 
For a field of interest that is competitive, what steps should you take to create the strong application?

1) Give 110% in all your classes. Commit as much time/effort as possible into getting the best grades you can. This sets you up to...

2) Crush Step 1. Lots of great advice around here on methods/resources. Find stuff you like and then use it. Sadly, your Step 1 is the most important element, necessary but not sufficient.

3) Research. Start meeting with faculty as early as possible. The good faculty mentors know what it takes for their students to match. Get involved early. Use post-M1 summer for research. Get involved with things that will lead to actual publications. Pubs >>>> Presentations >> Posters/Abstracts >>>>>>>>>>> "experiences" Ask your faculty what the strong applicants have in terms of research and aim to hit those numbers. Both quantity and quality matter.

4) Get good letters. You do this via research and by shadowing early to get to know people and ultimately by being a rock star on your sub-I. Aim for full professors and associate profs when possible as these people are more likely to be nationally known. The name at the bottom is almost as/more important than the words above. My chairman's letter looked to be only a few lines, but EVERY interviewer commented on it, and some even intimated that it was why I was ultimately interviewed. Therefore...

5) Be nice to everyone. I mean everyone. It amazes me how many people talk about students. Many faculty will solicit opinions from everyone in the department when writing letters for students. Even fellow students will become residents; if you take a research year, maybe even some of your classmates will be residents at places you want to interview. You just can't afford to have anyone dislike you, so be a good kind person to everyone you meet regardless of their position.

6) Honor everything in third year. At the least, honor med and surg. Clinical honors are 100% how much people like you. Shelf honors is simply adequate test prep.

7) Be active and involved in other things you care about. Make time for service and giving back.
 
Make sure you study for med school before first year starts.
 
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3) Research. Start meeting with faculty as early as possible. The good faculty mentors know what it takes for their students to match. Get involved early. Use post-M1 summer for research. Get involved with things that will lead to actual publications. Pubs >>>> Presentations >> Posters/Abstracts >>>>>>>>>>> "experiences" Ask your faculty what the strong applicants have in terms of research and aim to hit those numbers. Both quantity and quality matter.
Will undergrad research/publications be applicable for residency applications?
 
Will undergrad research/publications be applicable for residency applications?
They are kinda required if you don't want to do something like family medicine or pedes
 
boy if you don't have all the pathoma videos watched before first day, I swear
 
They are kinda required if you don't want to do something like family medicine or pedes
This is actually sort of misinformed- certain fields, such as EM, aren't really big on research- the largest group of matching seniors had zero publications, abstracts, etc, and the average number of research experiences was not substantially different between matched and unmatched candidates. If you want to do derm, neurosurg, ortho, ophtho, competitive IM programs, etc, research becomes far more important. (This is one of the few posts that I couldn't tell if srs)
 
This is actually sort of misinformed- certain fields, such as EM, aren't really big on research- the largest group of matching seniors had zero publications, abstracts, etc, and the average number of research experiences was not substantially different between matched and unmatched candidates. If you want to do derm, neurosurg, ortho, ophtho, competitive IM programs, etc, research becomes far more important. (This is one of the few posts that I couldn't tell if srs)
You couldn't tell if a post about undergrad research being important was SRS?
 
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Will undergrad research/publications be applicable for residency applications?

Yes. You should still have additional things -- ideally specialty specific -- done in med school if you're aiming for competitive fields. Undergrad research isn't a requirement though. I never set foot in a science class in undergrad, much less a lab, so all of mine had to come in med school.
 
I might be a contrarian, but make sure to have some sort of life outside of med school for the first two years. Try hard, but for the love of god, do not study till 11 pm every night of first year. You can go out most weekends, meet classmates, and realize that it's all gonna be ok. You have plenty of time to bust your butt to the limit later on.

And keep your mind open. You likely will find certain specialties a lot more appealing than you initially thought.
 
And keep your mind open. You likely will find certain specialties a lot more appealing than you initially thought.

Which won't matter if the specialties are competitive ones, because you will not have busted your butt the first two years.

Only sort of kidding.
 
Get on good terms with the administration. It has helped enormously when asking for help with problems.
 
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Learn to use the search function if you're gonna start posting more often on this site
 
I agree with MrTambourineMan, you don’t have to study for every minute of every day in order to do well in medical school. That being said, having a good study method is very important early on. You can cram and still do well on the tests, but it is highly inefficient. If you study efficiently, you will do better with less effort, while still managing to have free time.

I found that reviewing the material before class would help me absorb the lectures better, as I could spend more time on difficult topics that the professor might cover too quickly.
 
Make an anki deck full of incorrect answers and post it on your class's FB group the week before the exam. This will assuredly help you get on the right side of the bell curve
 
Why do you say that?

Because so few U.S. seniors fail to match into either field. For applicants scoring between 201-210 (average being 230) on Step I: 89% applying to anesthesia matched. 92% applying to radiology matched.

I point this out because matching can seem intimidating, but look over the data and realize that for nearly any specialty the odds are in your favor. Obviously you want to excel and match as strongly as possible, step scores are far from the whole picture etc., but the point is never count yourself out in trying to do what you want to do.

Become familiar with the data in this chart http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Charting-Outcomes-2014-Final.pdf and other charts on the NRMP website. Look over it from time to time.

Edit: otherwise my advice is have fun and go out as much as possible.
 
1) Make time in M1 and M2 for career exploration, especially fields that are not part of your third year rotations. Pretty much all the competitive fields require research and strong letters, so if you end up loving one, better to find out early so you have time to put together a strong application.

2) In a class of 150 people, you will find 150 different study methods. Listen to all the advice and then find what works for you.

3) Seek help early and often, ideally before a problem actually happens. This applies to academics, social, personal -- everything. Your school wants you to succeed and will do everything it can to help you. They can do a lot more for you if you seek help early.

4) Focus on yourself and don't worry about what others are doing. If you hear that so-and-so only studied for 2 hours before the exam and the aced it, it's absolute bull. On the 0.0001% chance it's true, good for them and who cares? Do what you need to do.

5) The people who complain loudly and often about one thing will likely complain about everything else. For many med students, complaining is either a coping mechanism or a subtle way of bragging about how much they can take.

6) Pass. This is your number one goal. Worry about Step 1 and residency apps later. Initially, take it one exam at a time until you know what it takes to comfortably pass. Don't assume that you'll be fine because you did well in college -- so did everyone who failed a class. Start strong and then titrate your efforts once you feel things out.

7) Take advantage of every opportunity your school gives you. Tutoring. Faculty review sessions. Everything. You've already paid for it, so use it. I went to tutoring religiously and would do it again in a heartbeat -- so did everyone else at the top of my class. A couple hours a week with people who just took your exam -- you'd have to be an idiot to pass that up.

8) Don't listen to boards advice from people who haven't actually taken it yet. They will be very surprised at how much stuff appears that they said wasn't boards relevant.

9) Forget high vs low yield. For boards and even classes, if you want a top score, then everything is high yield. High yield is what you think about in your final days before boards, not for the 2 years preceding it. If you add up all the "low yield" stuff, you get a pretty hefty chunk of potential points.

10) Don't blow off the fluff. I've seen people miss out on AOA or fail and have to remediate because they blew off the fluffy stuff. Consider everything important.
But how in the world can you memorize irrelevant details from m1 all the way until boards? Isn't it just too much detail that it's almost impossible to memorize
 
the things are that actually irrelevant you forget and the things that aren't, you'll learn clinical correlations for them which make them easier to remember and they will also make a lot more sense. it's like lifting weights. I don't care if you bench 250 or 405, 225 always feels like 225, it's just that you can push farther when you get stronger. the basic science info is same way. there's always a lot of information to process and it always seems difficult but your capacity to add knowledge just keeps increasing
 
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