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What are some reputable DO schools? I have strong ECs got 3.97 in college with a B- in English class from high school which will bring it down. I'm averaging about 500-505 on MCAT so lower MCAT. I was hoping for schools under $50,000 but have no idea where to apply right now. Is OSUOM very high in-state bias? I only have about 7-8 schools right now. I bolded the ones I'm apply to as well but not sure on any other suggestions for schools.


Is this a good list?
TCOM
Rowan
OSUCOM
OUCOM
KCU
DMU
PCOM PA

CCOM
KCOM
UNECOM
NSU
NYIT NY
Touro NY/CA
Western Pomona

What about PCOM extensions?

Also not sure about these schools:
Arkansas College of Osteopathic Medicine
Arizona College of Osteopathic Medicine of Midwestern University
 
Rowan has a NJ bias. I can't recommend Nova or Touro-NY (do a search as to why). AZCOM is a very fine school, as are the rest on your list. I suggest avoiding schools that have required lecture attendance or dress codes.


TCOM
Rowan
OSUCOM
OUCOM
KCU
DMU
PCOM PA

CCOM
KCOM
UNECOM
NSU
NYIT NY
Touro NY/CA
Western Pomona

What about PCOM extensions?

Also not sure about these schools:
Arkansas College of Osteopathic Medicine
Arizona College of Osteopathic Medicine of Midwestern University
[/QUOTE]
 
A.T. Still University - Kirksville College of Osteopathic Medicine
A.T. Still University - School of Osteopathic Medicine in Arizona
Arkansas College of Osteopathic Medicine
Des Moines University College of Osteopathic Medicine
Kansas City University of Medicine and Biosciences College of Osteopathic Medicine
Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine
Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine Bradenton Campus
Nova Southeastern University College of Osteopathic Medicine- hurricanes and weather concern me
PCOM South Georgia
Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine
Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine - Georgia Campus
Rowan University School of Osteopathic Medicine
University of New England College of Osteopathic Medicine

West Virginia School of Osteopathic Medicine


Here's the schools I am thinking but not sure about the extensions like PCOM Georgia, and Arkansas. I'll do some more research on Rowan, Oklahoma, and Ohio about in-state bias.
 
Yes OSU is about 90% in state and OU is about 92% in state. So is TCOM for that matter but the potential payoff in low tuition is worth the app money. Also you talk about schools under 50k and then ask about AZCOM and have CCOM listed....

You can’t have your cake and eat it too as most DO schools will cost you more than 50k. Here is a list I recommend:

TCOM
Rowan
KCU
DMU
PCOM PA
RVU
KCOM
UNECOM
NYIT NY
Touro NV
Western Pomona
AZCOM
CCOM
WVSOM
SOMA
CUSOM
 
Yes OSU is about 90% in state and OU is about 92% in state. So is TCOM for that matter but the potential payoff in low tuition is worth the app money. Also you talk about schools under 50k and then ask about AZCOM and have CCOM listed....

You can’t have your cake and eat it too as most DO schools will cost you more than 50k. Here is a list I recommend:

TCOM
Rowan
KCU
DMU
PCOM PA
RVU
KCOM
UNECOM
NYIT NY
Touro NV
Western Pomona
AZCOM
CCOM
WVSOM
SOMA
CUSOM
Are these the best DO schools? I'm not really sure about schools outside of fl. I have 3.87cgpa and 3.81sgpa, mcat avg is 504 from nsfl. FL resident so would prefer nova, but I've read they were on a decline and I really don't want to go to lecom-B based on friend's experiences & online
 
Are these the best DO schools? I'm not really sure about schools outside of fl. I have 3.87cgpa and 3.81sgpa, mcat avg is 504 from nsfl. FL resident so would prefer nova, but I've read they were on a decline and I really don't want to go to lecom-B based on friend's experiences & online

That list is a good place to start for someone on your shoes. You can choose to be a little more picky with your stats
 
Rowan has a NJ bias. I can't recommend Nova or Touro-NY (do a search as to why). AZCOM is a very fine school, as are the rest on your list. I suggest avoiding schools that have required lecture attendance or dress codes.


TCOM
Rowan
OSUCOM
OUCOM
KCU
DMU
PCOM PA

CCOM
KCOM
UNECOM
NSU
NYIT NY
Touro NY/CA
Western Pomona

What about PCOM extensions?

Also not sure about these schools:
Arkansas College of Osteopathic Medicine
Arizona College of Osteopathic Medicine of Midwestern University
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Do you know which one has required lectures/dress code from his list?
 
Do you know which one has required lectures/dress code from his list?[/QUOTE]
LECOM is known for having some ridiculous policies including no WATER in lecture.
 
KCU is less than 50k (barely).

If I weren’t going to my state school it would have been KCU or DMU on the D.O. side. For sure include some safety schools, but make sure you kill those secondaries. Both of the above seemed really awesome.
 
Thanks! The top 2 of mine are KCU and DMU. I need to do well on MCAT in a few weeks. Hopefully all goes well
 
Do you know which one has required lectures/dress code from his list?
Offhand, I only know that LECOM and CUSOM do, and maybe ARCOM and/or NYITCOM-AR.[/QUOTE]
ARCOM has a dress code,, and I heard they are relaxing mandatory attendance
 
Offhand, I only know that LECOM and CUSOM do, and maybe ARCOM and/or NYITCOM-AR.
ARCOM has a dress code,, and I heard they are relaxing mandatory attendance[/QUOTE]


Can confirm your info about ARCOM. Attendance is mandatory for TBL group sessions, lab sessions, and certain guest lectures. Otherwise you are free to not come to class. Dress code is business casual with it leaning more to the casual side- nice top, slacks/skirts.

Tuition- ~43k
 
ARCOM has a dress code,, and I heard they are relaxing mandatory attendance


Can confirm your info about ARCOM. Attendance is mandatory for TBL group sessions, lab sessions, and certain guest lectures. Otherwise you are free to not come to class. Dress code is business casual with it leaning more to the casual side- nice top, slacks/skirts.

Tuition- ~43k[/QUOTE]
TBL is the new hot thing in medical education...it's required attendance, but it's definitely not a lecture.
 
Can confirm your info about ARCOM. Attendance is mandatory for TBL group sessions, lab sessions, and certain guest lectures. Otherwise you are free to not come to class. Dress code is business casual with it leaning more to the casual side- nice top, slacks/skirts.

Tuition- ~43k
TBL is the new hot thing in medical education...it's required attendance, but it's definitely not a lecture.[/QUOTE]

Correct. I should have been more clear. To add, there was required attendance for Osteopathic medicine and clinical skills lectures, but our systems based classes (except for a few) were not required attendance.
 
What are some reputable DO schools? I have strong ECs got 3.97 in college with a B- in English class from high school which will bring it down. I'm averaging about 500-505 on MCAT so lower MCAT. I was hoping for schools under $50,000 but have no idea where to apply right now. Is OSUOM very high in-state bias? I only have about 7-8 schools right now. I bolded the ones I'm apply to as well but not sure on any other suggestions for schools.


Is this a good list?
TCOM
Rowan
OSUCOM
OUCOM
KCU
DMU
PCOM PA

CCOM
KCOM
UNECOM
NSU
NYIT NY
Touro NY/CA
Western Pomona

What about PCOM extensions?

Also not sure about these schools:
Arkansas College of Osteopathic Medicine
Arizona College of Osteopathic Medicine of Midwestern University
Some really established DO schools that you may want to consider avoiding depending on your state of residence are ones that have heavy in-state bias such as RowanSOM (NJ), OU, OSU, MSU-COM (might want to avoid anyway with Nassar case) which come to mind right off hand. There are many other very reputable schools however that do not have IS bias. Seems like you already got some great feedback on this thread
 
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Are these the best DO schools? I'm not really sure about schools outside of fl. I have 3.87cgpa and 3.81sgpa, mcat avg is 504 from nsfl. FL resident so would prefer nova, but I've read they were on a decline and I really don't want to go to lecom-B based on friend's experiences & online
Not sure why you think NSU is "on a decline". Quite the contrary actually. They recently received an extremely large donation to go toward their medical schools and are in the process of building a hospital near campus. If you are referring to a slight decline in board pass rates during recent years, it is my understanding that these changes are minimal. Additionally, I am a strong believer that you get out what you put in, no matter what school you attend.
 
Not sure why you think NSU is "on a decline". Quite the contrary actually. They recently received an extremely large donation to go toward their medical schools and are in the process of building a hospital near campus. If you are referring to a slight decline in board pass rates during recent years, it is my understanding that these changes are minimal. Additionally, I am a strong believer that you get out what you put in, no matter what school you attend.
To quote @Goro :
Nova-four consecutive years of declining first-time COMLEX pass rates. They're now at ~85% and this is something you expect from a new school, not a veteran. Something is very wrong there.
 
Not sure why you think NSU is "on a decline". Quite the contrary actually. They recently received an extremely large donation to go toward their medical schools and are in the process of building a hospital near campus. If you are referring to a slight decline in board pass rates during recent years, it is my understanding that these changes are minimal. Additionally, I am a strong believer that you get out what you put in, no matter what school you attend.
Ya, I was referring to the consistent drop in board scores & some other stuff I’ve read like a decent amount of people failing classes or redo a year? Not positive about the latter but certain reading about a good chunk of people failing
 
Ya, I was referring to the consistent drop in board scores & some other stuff I’ve read like a decent amount of people failing classes or redo a year? Not positive about the latter but certain reading about a good chunk of people failing
I can't quote the exact thread, but I recall a Nova student saying on here that the extra mandatory things they have to do during their first 1-2 years may be the suspect for this.
 
There is a lot that goes into an application but based on stats ALONE you may want to try your state MD programs, as I think you would be shortchanging yourself applying Nova DO and may have a shot at MD in my opinion. You may want to consider starting a WAMC thread in the WAMC pre-med forum. I don't have enough knowledge to know which schools but worth asking someone with more knowledge like @Goro
I’m asian :/ so no md for me with that mcat score lol
 
Very frustrating experience with AZCOM here. Recently graduated so I'll share my opinion with the hopes that you don't make the worst mistake of your life coming here like I did. There is a little research among the basic science faculty but practically nothing clinical going on that I was ever aware of. Good luck trying to get a publication with their poor quality faculty, many classmates wasted plenty of summers and study time on research that went nowhere. The school lacks many important departments so if you're seeking to enter a specialty like radiology, etc the advising will be poor/none. The administration has a pervasive condescending tone that becomes more prevalent and disappointing around your second year on. This, in my opinion, is top-down from the dean. In terms of student clubs and affairs, admin is unhelpful in getting you affiliated with clubs or getting your business sorted out if you run student clubs. The assistant dean for student affairs (Julie High Horse) rarely answers her emails if at all. Most admin people on campus work from about 9-10am to 3-4pm. But hey they'll be happy to tell you while you're interviewing that the school is so expensive because they pay their employee's enough to answer all your questions, work longer, and answer all their emails.

Any big decisions like refusing to cover board study materials or closing the gym's free-weight section are made on their own without any input from student government. Any complaints brought to their attention are usually dismissed, especially regarding proposed curriculum changes. I heard our dean Kemper just decided they will no longer be providing UWorld, an essential board resource tool because they are not scoring well enough in OMM. OMM is a fractional component of boards and arguably irrelevant to clinical practice, and still, this decision was made without any student government input. Most people would try to improve the OMM department rather than discontinuing their Uworld subscription in place of combank, a poor quality second rate DO specific study tool that the majority of students in the nation believe is inferior to comquest, which is far inferior to UWorld... But I digress.

Tuition: $68,000+ yearly now which increases by about 5-8% each year (about $5k spike my last year there). At this rate, the school will soon be the most expensive in the country. You will also be paying out of pocket or via additional loans for all board exams, expenses, and travel. Be prepared for major additional fees on top of all this.
Reputation: a DO is a DO is a DO is a DO is a DO... half the country's residencies won't even interview you on those grounds alone... You think the school's reputation amongst the DO community matters? Of every email I get from "The DO", not one reports that AZCOM is a leader in anything like grants received, number of students with first-choice matches, etc. This begs the question, where does the notion that "this school's reputation is good" come from?

Clinical years: damn near impossible to get them to let you set up your own rotations as third-year electives. Less than good when trying to get them to approve paperwork for 4th-year audition rotations. This is a major limitation and setback of the school and something important to consider if you're thinking about going here. They are more interested in saving time and money than doing the paperwork to get their students out in meaningful clinical experiences that will likely bring you strong LORs.

Big mistake coming here without knowing all this. For the amount we all pay for this place to claw atop our shoulders, I am very disappointed in how little they do to help us settle into medical careers and our residencies. Be prepared to do everything yourself and still get told "no" by them because it's "just their policy".

Do yourself a favor and go to the cheapest school you can, because, at the end of the day when you have to set up everything on your own and learn everything on your own, you don't want to be 400k+ indebted to people who have helped you as little as possible along the way.
 
Very frustrating experience with AZCOM here. Recently graduated so I'll share my opinion with the hopes that you don't make the worst mistake of your life coming here like I did. There is a little research among the basic science faculty but practically nothing clinical going on that I was ever aware of. Good luck trying to get a publication with their poor quality faculty, many classmates wasted plenty of summers and study time on research that went nowhere. The school lacks many important departments so if you're seeking to enter a specialty like radiology, etc the advising will be poor/none. The administration has a pervasive condescending tone that becomes more prevalent and disappointing around your second year on. This, in my opinion, is top-down from the dean. In terms of student clubs and affairs, admin is unhelpful in getting you affiliated with clubs or getting your business sorted out if you run student clubs. The assistant dean for student affairs (Julie High Horse) rarely answers her emails if at all. Most admin people on campus work from about 9-10am to 3-4pm. But hey they'll be happy to tell you while you're interviewing that the school is so expensive because they pay their employee's enough to answer all your questions, work longer, and answer all their emails.

Any big decisions like refusing to cover board study materials or closing the gym's free-weight section are made on their own without any input from student government. Any complaints brought to their attention are usually dismissed, especially regarding proposed curriculum changes. I heard our dean Kemper just decided they will no longer be providing UWorld, an essential board resource tool because they are not scoring well enough in OMM. OMM is a fractional component of boards and arguably irrelevant to clinical practice, and still, this decision was made without any student government input. Most people would try to improve the OMM department rather than discontinuing their Uworld subscription in place of combank, a poor quality second rate DO specific study tool that the majority of students in the nation believe is inferior to comquest, which is far inferior to UWorld... But I digress.

Tuition: $68,000+ yearly now which increases by about 5-8% each year (about $5k spike my last year there). At this rate, the school will soon be the most expensive in the country. You will also be paying out of pocket or via additional loans for all board exams, expenses, and travel. Be prepared for major additional fees on top of all this.
Reputation: a DO is a DO is a DO is a DO is a DO... half the country's residencies won't even interview you on those grounds alone... You think the school's reputation amongst the DO community matters? Of every email I get from "The DO", not one reports that AZCOM is a leader in anything like grants received, number of students with first-choice matches, etc. This begs the question, where does the notion that "this school's reputation is good" come from?

Clinical years: damn near impossible to get them to let you set up your own rotations as third-year electives. Less than good when trying to get them to approve paperwork for 4th-year audition rotations. This is a major limitation and setback of the school and something important to consider if you're thinking about going here. They are more interested in saving time and money than doing the paperwork to get their students out in meaningful clinical experiences that will likely bring you strong LORs.

Big mistake coming here without knowing all this. For the amount we all pay for this place to claw atop our shoulders, I am very disappointed in how little they do to help us settle into medical careers and our residencies. Be prepared to do everything yourself and still get told "no" by them because it's "just their policy".

Do yourself a favor and go to the cheapest school you can, because, at the end of the day when you have to set up everything on your own and learn everything on your own, you don't want to be 400k+ indebted to people who have helped you as little as possible along the way.

Thanks for the information, really opened my eyes. What schools would you recommended?
 
I still dont get the angst and garment rending over mandatory classes. Sure, it might be inconvenient, but it's for less than 2 years. 3rd and 4th require all of this. Professional dress, mandatory noon and other conferences, show up early in the am, etc. I get that you might be more efficient reading ppt lectures on line, but how inefficient are you really? Going to lecture should not be an impediment to graduating in the top 10%. Maybe you should consider schools offering PBL classes or independent study? Best advice is go to the school you feel most comfortable and dont apply to the few schools requiring mandatory attendance.
 
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