Advice on dropping :(

[Adrift108]

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Hi everyone,

I'm currently a sophomore at CSU and I've been having trouble with Orgo. I've always been terrible at chem and I struggle to get it right, but this year's course-load has just been too difficult 🙁

I got a terrible grade (practically a 50%) on my first exam, I have three regular exams and one final. Basically they take the best two exams (66%) plus the final (33%). I have my next exam this thursday and I'm really unsure of how well I will do, I am not prepared enough. I am thinking of dropping it and taking it over the summer, better to get a W than a hit on my Gpa (3.7) I've heard. The problem is..deadline for the W drop date is Monday October 19, three days before my second exam. So it's either risk it and see if I can make good on my second exam, or play it safe and try and make that A another day. I'm leaning towards the drop, but I feel terrible about it. Any advice?

(If I do nearly as bad on this second exam, I'll have to get high 90s on the rest of the exams to make at least a B, and with how things have been going, that's unlikely.)

Thanks all.

 

[deleted266066]

Ack, I was in the same situation as you, and ended up sticking it out. I only managed to pull off a C+ in Orgo II by the end of it, and it did pull my GPA (especially the science GPA! Lame!) down quite a lot. I don't have straight A's to make up for it though (I have a mix of A's and B's), which is part of why it dropped so much.

Also, if you were to drop it for now, would you later take it at the same school, or somewhere else? I am certain I wouldn't have done any better by waiting longer... unless I had taken it at a school where B's were a little easier to attain maybe (I took Physics at another also non-community college school over the summer for monetary reasons, and the grading scale was SO much easier, I was amazed at how much less effort I had to put in to get good grades!!).

There are pros and cons to either side of the coin... have you discussed your situation with your advisor? Mine had told me to stay with it if I thought I could at least get a C since it would be my only big blemish on my transcript, but if you think you might get below a C I would personally drop it with a W and take it again later. And just make sure to totally rock the class later, after maybe preparing on your own before taking the class again. Otherwise, I would just stick it out myself like I did, as one C+ really won't kill you assuming you manage to kick butt in your other classes, especially the biology ones which are more important in the end.

 

[HopefulAg]

Hey this sounds exactly like what happened with my Pharmacology class!

From past experience: go to your adviser or whatever, explain what you want to try and do (stick through the class) and ask if you can withdraw past the deadline. That's what I should have done and they would have allowed me to do so, but since I didn't, I was stuck with the deadline, which had already passed. Did get a C in the class though but it was a completely unnecessary C.

 

[Adrift108]

I'm actually from Hawaii, and for monetary reasons will be transferring back for my junior year to the University of Hawaii (at Manoa), and I know for sure that classes there are easier. If I drop I'm not sure how things will work out as far as my 4 year schedule goes but I'm definitely considering your advice, thanks 😀

 

[OtakuVet]

Honestly, depending on the amount of credits you may have, I would drop because you dont want to mess up that pretty stellar gpa. And if you know that you will have an easier time at your home school, then I would drop this course, keep my gpa and retake it again next semester. To stay on the 4 year track, I would then take some courses over the summer to stay on target. I got a C in Orgo I and a B in Orgo II both of which were shy of their upper grades. There is alot of understanding about it, and if you arent getting some of these basics at this school and think you will elsewhere then its better to drop because it will help you in later courses like Biochem.

 

[Adrift108]

Thanks OtakuVet, I'm gonna study and see how far I get before the drop date, if i don't make it, I'll drop, I don't really want to smash my gpa with a terrible grade in such an important class.

 

[BlacKAT33]

I agree with basically everyone. There really is no best answer. Some of the things that i can think of that may sway your decision are

1) orgo is obviously hard, and there is a lot of memorizing. taking it over the summer where the semester is shorter may hurt you if you continue to have problems with the material. there really is NO time to slack even one day in summer courses

2) if you drop and wait til summer, will you ACTUALLY try to study before hand to learn more? in my experience, i never actually did. unless you think you can get a grip of the material right away when summer class starts i wouldnt drop

3) one C won't hurt your gpa that much!!! even 2 Cs won't!! you can still balance it out by trying really hard on other classes that come easy to you and get As. I have 3 C's on my transcript 😱 YIKES!! freaks me out when i say it hahaha but they are all balanced out by my As and i'm still an average candidate with great chances! i just had to work hard my jr. and senior yr to pull it up. Also remember, GPA is only ONE category! GRE and especially experience count for a lot too!! you won't get into vet school with a 3.9 and no experience

 

[gingersprout]

I'm in the same situation with general chemistry. I have almost a 3.8 gpa (4 semesters worth of classes) and I've been putting off chemistry because I hate it with a passion. Unfortunately, the drop without a W deadline was before i got my first test back (I didn't do so hot, but it was only 5% if my grade), and I am VERY reluctant to drop now because of new drop and retake regulations due to budget cuts. My advisor told me to stick with it. I have a 85% in the class right now and a test tomorrow that I'm not sure I'm prepared for. I'm prepared for everything my prof SAID would be on the test, but he likes to lie his students and make them cry.

Wow, epic rant.

Moral of the story, if you think you can pull off at least a C, I would stick with it.

 

[Armymutt25A]

Just make sure that the paperwork goes through if you do drop it. I made the mistake of not following up and was rather surprised to see 3 Fs on my transcript at the end of my second semester of grad school.

 

[Adrift108]

I'm in the same situation with general chemistry. I have almost a 3.8 gpa (4 semesters worth of classes) and I've been putting off chemistry because I hate it with a passion. Unfortunately, the drop without a W deadline was before i got my first test back (I didn't do so hot, but it was only 5% if my grade), and I am VERY reluctant to drop now because of new drop and retake regulations due to budget cuts. My advisor told me to stick with it. I have a 85% in the class right now and a test tomorrow that I'm not sure I'm prepared for. I'm prepared for everything my prof SAID would be on the test, but he likes to lie his students and make them cry.

Wow, epic rant.

Moral of the story, if you think you can pull off at least a C, I would stick with it.

I'd definitely stick with it with a grade like an 85%, even if you don't do so good on this next one (I've been in a similar situation in gen chem) you've still got at least 1 more regular exam plus the final to bring it up 🙂

 

[gingersprout]

Yea, he just wasn't clear about how things were weighted, so I thought the pretest was 25% of my grade haha. But I just calculated it and I can get C's on the midterm and the final and still get a B, so I'm happy with that

 

[BlacKAT33]

Yea, he just wasn't clear about how things were weighted, so I thought the pretest was 25% of my grade haha. But I just calculated it and I can get C's on the midterm and the final and still get a B, so I'm happy with that

Wow, i wish I had an undergrad class where I could get C's on the exams and final but still get a final grade of a B. What other things are included in your grade? Would you mind sharing what university you go to? I'm not trying to judge or be mean, im just super curious because i havent heard of this in my area

 

[jpeterman13]

1) orgo is obviously hard, and there is a lot of memorizing. taking it over the summer where the semester is shorter may hurt you if you continue to have problems with the material. there really is NO time to slack even one day in summer courses

At my school, people that took their orgo over the summer (both I and II in 14 weeks) always did better than those who took in during the regular school year. Every test is cumulative, I'm sure it's like that at other schools too. So in the middle of orgo II, you are being tested over all of I and half of II. That's why people did better in the summer session, because they had little time to forget anything. Of course, I took it during the regular school year and did mediocre (but in my defense, I had some REALLY tough professors that proclaimed the first day that less than a third of the people in the class will pass). And my organic II class was simply a joke, about 30 % passed the class and averages were never above 35/100...no curve. And I took it two people who both scored over 40 on their MCAT if that tells you anything. The bummer is that vet schools won't know the difference, I just drew some unlucky cards I guess. I know that if I would have taken it in the summer, I would have done better. woulda, shoulda, coulda right?

 

[BlacKAT33]

And my organic II class was simply a joke, about 30 % passed the class and averages were never above 35/100...no curve. And I took it two people who both scored over 40 on their MCAT if that tells you anything. The bummer is that vet schools won't know the difference, I just drew some unlucky cards I guess. I know that if I would have taken it in the summer, I would have done better. woulda, shoulda, coulda right?

My orgo II was like this also, I ended up getting a C. Thank god i passed!! I couldnt believe how ridiculous it was because i got an A in orgo I and actually thought it was easy. Its amazing how much a class can change depending on the professor 🙁 I guess i have no regrets though because the same prof was teaching over the summer so i dont think it would have made a diff for me

 

[gingersprout]

BlacKat, I go to Humboldt State University. The reason I can get C's on the exams and still get a B(granted, it'd be a B-, but still a B) is because we have quizzes and quantitative labs (basically a lab practical) that I've been doing amazing on. We have a quiz or quantitative lab every week except midterm week totaling to 180 points. Exams total to 325.

 

[gingersprout]

Just out of curiosity, where are you all going for undergrad?

 

[Adrift108]

At my school, people that took their orgo over the summer (both I and II in 14 weeks) always did better than those who took in during the regular school year. Every test is cumulative, I'm sure it's like that at other schools too. So in the middle of orgo II, you are being tested over all of I and half of II. That's why people did better in the summer session, because they had little time to forget anything. Of course, I took it during the regular school year and did mediocre (but in my defense, I had some REALLY tough professors that proclaimed the first day that less than a third of the people in the class will pass). And my organic II class was simply a joke, about 30 % passed the class and averages were never above 35/100...no curve. And I took it two people who both scored over 40 on their MCAT if that tells you anything. The bummer is that vet schools won't know the difference, I just drew some unlucky cards I guess. I know that if I would have taken it in the summer, I would have done better. woulda, shoulda, coulda right?

Oh man...I'm in the same situation you were in. There's only 2 teachers teaching Orgo right now, 1 takes exam questions straight out of the book (easy as cake), the other uses all the concepts to make difficult and sometimes abstract problems that he invented himself (absolutely no multiple choice in any of his exams, all answers must be drawn out).

And...guess who I got? yep.

I'm really leaning towards taking it during the summer (both orgo I and II) before my junior year, do you guys think it will throw me off track taking it that late? I think I'm supposed to be taking biochem my junior year.

thanks for the advice everybody, its definitely helping with my decision
I've got til Sunday to make the W drop deadline.

 

[Adrift108]

Just out of curiosity, where are you all going for undergrad?

I'm doing my first two years at Colorado State University, which has a pretty solid science department (adcoms know this), then moving back to my home state to finish up at the University of Hawaii for monetary reasons (the classes are way easier but I've got no choice).

ah money....

 

[gingersprout]

You gotta love money issues. My school is pretty solid in science and world renowned in wildlife. I would've liked to go to a more will known science school, but they were too expensive. I almost went to Colorado State actually

 

[DVMDream]

Orgo is hard. I studied so hard for both of those classes. For Orgo I had C's on most everything and got a B in the class...I love curves. For Orgo II, I studied my butt off and was walking into the final with a 95%, but still got a B in the class (stupid ACS standardized final exam). I would recommend doing whatever you think will get you a better grade in the class. Good Luck!

 

[Adrift108]

Thanks everybody, I'm getting some great advice here 😀 but what probably will happen is that I will take that W. I'm definitely no quitter and I hate having to make this choice but considering my teacher and how the class is being taught I don't think I will do good. I really want to learn this material, and I hear that its important for future classes so I'd rather make an A or even a B another time and explain the W to the adcoms than just barely try to scrape by without fully understanding ochem. It might set me back a semester (actually I will probably take ochem I again next sem with a different teacher and ochem2 over the summer, idk how the lab will fit in though) but as long as I make it to become a vet it doesn't matter to me.

 

[BlacKAT33]

BlacKat, I go to Humboldt State University. The reason I can get C's on the exams and still get a B(granted, it'd be a B-, but still a B) is because we have quizzes and quantitative labs (basically a lab practical) that I've been doing amazing on. We have a quiz or quantitative lab every week except midterm week totaling to 180 points. Exams total to 325.

Ooo ok good thing about that! Quizzes do suck but at least your kicking their butt so they help you lol

I went to univ of maryland

 

[Caninerepro]

Who do you have for Orgo, and which one are you taking? I went there for undergrad and grad school, and made the mistake of taking 245 (the one semester class for those not from CSU). I had the guy who reminded us daily that he invented Nutrisweet, and he was PO'd that vet schools had dropped the requiremnt for a full year of Organic, so he just crammed the same content from his 2 semester class into one. I used the weekend tutoring sessions at Ingersol for that class, and they did help a lot. I think he retired after my class was done. He taught O chem from a P Chem perspective. Lets just say that from what I have seen so far, O Chem is used as a weeder class at CSU, and a C is OK. I did get a B (52%), but... My bigger issue for you would be you are leaving a strong, well known university, and going to a not as strong one. That may be your bigger issue, especially if you W drop or get a C in the class. Anyhow, Biochem is easier at CSU.

 

[Adrift108]

Who do you have for Orgo, and which one are you taking? I went there for undergrad and grad school, and made the mistake of taking 245 (the one semester class for those not from CSU). I had the guy who reminded us daily that he invented Nutrisweet, and he was PO'd that vet schools had dropped the requiremnt for a full year of Organic, so he just crammed the same content from his 2 semester class into one. I used the weekend tutoring sessions at Ingersol for that class, and they did help a lot. I think he retired after my class was done. He taught O chem from a P Chem perspective. Lets just say that from what I have seen so far, O Chem is used as a weeder class at CSU, and a C is OK. I did get a B (52%), but... My bigger issue for you would be you are leaving a strong, well known university, and going to a not as strong one. That may be your bigger issue, especially if you W drop or get a C in the class. Anyhow, Biochem is easier at CSU.

I have a professor named Tomislav Rovis and I am taking Orgo 341, and taking the full year. I got many suggestions from my pre-vet friends not to take Crans because she is a terrible teacher, so I picked anybody but her. Apparently what I didn't consider is Crans was all they knew since that's who they took. Turns out I actually practice using her exams and they are easy as cake I could get at least 80 in them. There are no past exams for my current teacher and I am really behind with my exam in just 5 days. I am worried about leaving this university, it does have a strong department. The only problem is.. I am out of state, paying nearly 35-40k a year, and it's mostly my (single-parent) mother who is helping out with the loans. She has no college degree and is working two to three jobs (though I am trying to work on the side, it's difficult to maintain the grades), needless to say it's a miracle I am even able to attend a university away from home. I've been able to get 4-5 scholarships that pay for a third of the tuition (non-renewable) but it is still too much money.

I have no car here and you probably know that the bus system sucks. I don't have much chances to volunteer at a clinic. Back home, I have multiple contacts with local vets and the great thing is, I don't need a license to score a job as a vet tech.

Besides..isn't it better to get a W drop now, and retake it next semester with a most likely B or better as opposed to having a really bad grade? I have solid grades in my transcript so far. I might repeat delete the class if I do terrible in it (my new grade will count in my gpa not the old one) but the old grade will still appear in my transcript.

Which is better? a W or... a really bad grade on my transcript. Either way if I don't at least get a C I will be retaking it the next semester.

*Edit: I'm still going to be taking Orgo 1 for sure here at CSU, but I will be taking Orgo2 back at the weaker school at home the following year.

 

[Caninerepro]

I have a professor named Tomislav Rovis and I am taking Orgo 341, and taking the full year. I got many suggestions from my pre-vet friends not to take Crans because she is a terrible teacher, so I picked anybody but her. Apparently what I didn't consider is Crans was all they knew since that's who they took. Turns out I actually practice using her exams and they are easy as cake I could get at least 80 in them.

Sounds like you are doing what you can then, and no worries. I did not have Crans, I had the guy before her, but yeah I've heard that Crans is a %$^&* too. If you were going to be taking biochem next semester I would have told you to take the younger guy, whose name escapes me at the moment. My only concern was that I had heard that HI did not have any WICHE slots last year -- I have a friend from HI still there who has applied before. If you are taking anatomy, tell Mark "hi" from Kai. 😎

 

[xcrunner423]

I have a question on a related topic...

I am a first-year at college and as I posted in another thread, I did horrible (53%) on my first bio exam. Although I studied a lot and felt like I knew the material, I had the wrong ratio of textbook: lecture studying. I was also extremely flustered from taking my first college exam with time restrictions and I kinda freaked out (even circled the wrong lab day).

I just took my second exam and even though I haven't gotten the results back yet, I think I did much better. But because how each exam is weighed, even if I got perfect scores on the other exams the highest I could get in the class would be a B+. I doubt I'll get perfect scores on all the others so I'm probably looking at a Cish.

So my question: I heard that it doesn't look good taking a prerequisite class pass/ fail (credit/ no credit). If this is the only class that I do this for would it be an extreme negative to take it pass/ fail or should I just take it for a lower grade?

I've been freaking out about this since I got my results back. I felt like everything that I've worked for thus far had been ruined by one test. I've even considered transferring to a state school so that I could just re-take it altogether.

 

[cowgirla]

I have a question on a related topic...

I am a first-year at college and as I posted in another thread, I did horrible (53%) on my first bio exam. Although I studied a lot and felt like I knew the material, I had the wrong ratio of textbook: lecture studying. I was also extremely flustered from taking my first college exam with time restrictions and I kinda freaked out (even circled the wrong lab day).

I just took my second exam and even though I haven't gotten the results back yet, I think I did much better. But because how each exam is weighed, even if I got perfect scores on the other exams the highest I could get in the class would be a B+. I doubt I'll get perfect scores on all the others so I'm probably looking at a Cish.

So my question: I heard that it doesn't look good taking a prerequisite class pass/ fail (credit/ no credit). If this is the only class that I do this for would it be an extreme negative to take it pass/ fail or should I just take it for a lower grade?

I've been freaking out about this since I got my results back. I felt like everything that I've worked for thus far had been ruined by one test. I've even considered transferring to a state school so that I could just re-take it altogether.

One C-ish on your transcript won't kill you if your other grades are good. As long as you meet the minimum grade for the pre-req. I believe some schools won't even accept a pre-req if it's pass-fail, so personally, I'd stay away from that. I got a C in one semester of Organic Chem, and rather than retake it, my advisor told me to take another high level chem course, and ace it. He said that looks better than retaking one class.

 

[BlacKAT33]

I have a question on a related topic...

I am a first-year at college and as I posted in another thread, I did horrible (53%) on my first bio exam. Although I studied a lot and felt like I knew the material, I had the wrong ratio of textbook: lecture studying. I was also extremely flustered from taking my first college exam with time restrictions and I kinda freaked out (even circled the wrong lab day).

I just took my second exam and even though I haven't gotten the results back yet, I think I did much better. But because how each exam is weighed, even if I got perfect scores on the other exams the highest I could get in the class would be a B+. I doubt I'll get perfect scores on all the others so I'm probably looking at a Cish.

So my question: I heard that it doesn't look good taking a prerequisite class pass/ fail (credit/ no credit). If this is the only class that I do this for would it be an extreme negative to take it pass/ fail or should I just take it for a lower grade?

I've been freaking out about this since I got my results back. I felt like everything that I've worked for thus far had been ruined by one test. I've even considered transferring to a state school so that I could just re-take it altogether.

Like cowgirla said, i think you should stick with it. Most schools don't accept pass/fail courses if they are the few required courses for admission. Getting a C is not the end of the world. Everyone has courses that don't click for them and many people get into vet school with Cs on the transcript. There is more to a person than just their grades and it IS possible to get a 3.6 with multiple Cs. Also, there is a reason most schools ask for your last 45-60 credit GPA, they want to see if your grades improved. Stop worrying so much about your grade and just try to understand the material. If you do, then I'm sure you can rock an A on your next bio class 🙂

 

[Adrift108]

So...guess what guys?

I didn't drop it, I decided to stay (earlier today was the last time to drop). I'm just studying like a crazy person lol...

I have a question on a related topic...

I am a first-year at college and as I posted in another thread, I did horrible (53%) on my first bio exam. Although I studied a lot and felt like I knew the material, I had the wrong ratio of textbook: lecture studying. I was also extremely flustered from taking my first college exam with time restrictions and I kinda freaked out (even circled the wrong lab day).

I just took my second exam and even though I haven't gotten the results back yet, I think I did much better. But because how each exam is weighed, even if I got perfect scores on the other exams the highest I could get in the class would be a B+. I doubt I'll get perfect scores on all the others so I'm probably looking at a Cish.

So my question: I heard that it doesn't look good taking a prerequisite class pass/ fail (credit/ no credit). If this is the only class that I do this for would it be an extreme negative to take it pass/ fail or should I just take it for a lower grade?

I've been freaking out about this since I got my results back. I felt like everything that I've worked for thus far had been ruined by one test. I've even considered transferring to a state school so that I could just re-take it altogether.

I talked to a counselor when I thought I would be in a similar situation. Adcoms won't freak out seeing a C in a intro bio class in your first semester of college. It's hard during that first semester, you're still learning how to study with this new college curriculum.

 

[xcrunner423]

Thank you all for your responses!

So it would probably be better to just get the C than to take it credit/no credit this semester and then retake it completely for a letter grade next fall (they don't offer it second semester)?

That was another option I considered because although I'm a first year, I have sophomore status because 30 hours that I took from a community college in high school transfered.

I'm glad your situation is working out for you Adrift108!! 🙂

 

[Adrift108]

Thank you all for your responses!

So it would probably be better to just get the C than to take it credit/no credit this semester and then retake it completely for a letter grade next fall (they don't offer it second semester)?

That was another option I considered because although I'm a first year, I have sophomore status because 30 hours that I took from a community college in high school transfered.

I'm glad your situation is working out for you Adrift108!! 🙂

I honestly don't think it will kill you, just don't try to rack up a lot of Cs. Plus you never know, the curve in the class might bump your C to a B at the end of the year, its like that for many intro bio courses..later courses not so much because obviously people who made it that far have somewhat better study habits (not always though 😛). I've got a C+ in my gen chem 1 lab, my only one so far. If it really bugs you, if you have a really easy/light semester you can retake it (If you're willing to spend the $ and time) some other time. If not, don't sweat it too much. Just try to maximize your efforts on science classes. Always study them first before the others. Always.

 

[deleted266066]

I'd personally suggest not to bother repeating it even if you get a C (although... of course try and aim for at least a C+ or better but sometimes it just isn't possible). A better strategy like others have suggested is to make sure to take some upper level bio courses later and kick butt in them. Easier said than done, but it's a better use of your time and also can show the adcom that you just tripped up a little in an intro class, but can still handle the heavier stuff.

 

[BlacKAT33]

I'd personally suggest not to bother repeating it even if you get a C (although... of course try and aim for at least a C+ or better but sometimes it just isn't possible). A better strategy like others have suggested is to make sure to take some upper level bio courses later and kick butt in them. Easier said than done, but it's a better use of your time and also can show the adcom that you just tripped up a little in an intro class, but can still handle the heavier stuff.

I agree with evilshoe. Also, you have a 50/50 chance the school(s) you apply will consider the grade when you retook the class, lots of schools average the two grades so it would only raise you to a B. And if you got a B in the course, once averaged with a C it is useless and a waste of money.

 

[Adrift108]

Hey guys, I got an update on my ochem situation. The grades just came back in today on that exam and..... I got a 97/140. I know that sounds not so great but the class average was.. a 74! Idk where that puts me but at least I have a fighting chance to bring my grade up with this next exam, since that first one I told you about will be my drop. Thanks for all the advice everyone, I think sticking it out is really worth it 😀

Hopefully if anyone gets in a similar situation, they can look back at this thread.

 

[Minnerbelle]

Hey guys, I got an update on my ochem situation. The grades just came back in today on that exam and..... I got a 97/140. I know that sounds not so great but the class average was.. a 74! Idk where that puts me but at least I have a fighting chance to bring my grade up with this next exam, since that first one I told you about will be my drop. Thanks for all the advice everyone, I think sticking it out is really worth it 😀

Hopefully if anyone gets in a similar situation, they can look back at this thread.

Good for you! I'm really glad things worked out for you. Personally, I think the 2nd and 3rd exam material is a lot more interesting and easier for things to stick (1st: isomers, electronegativity, acids/base, etc...; 2nd: SN1, SN2?; 3rd: E1, E2, plus some other good stuff) so I don't think you'll have a problem as long as you were fine for the 2nd exam. And yeah, 97/140 is really good for orgo!


As someone who had to drop orgo one even though I technically had an A- average up until that point in lecture and a solid A in lab... I think you made the right choice!

Check out this website if you already haven't done so. It is HILARIOUS but awesomely informative. hmmm there used to actually be a webpage with this called x-rated organic chemistry... but now it's disappeared into thin air. I found one copied onto a myspace blog. checkie out!

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendId=138388189

 

[smilin1590]

I say stick with it and just study hardcore Adrift108. You'll make it through. On a side not your profile pic is awesome. Is that your dog? LOL! Too cute

 

[Adrift108]

I say stick with it and just study hardcore Adrift108. You'll make it through. On a side not your profile pic is awesome. Is that your dog? LOL! Too cute

Thanks 😀 but no it's not my dog, if you google image "Shar-Panda" you should be able to find it.

 

[Caninerepro]

Way to go kicking butt on the test. Be proud! That should be a pretty good A if he does curve, which is pretty much standard on Orgo at CSU.