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As a former resident, I would like to share my experience at the San Antonio VA AEGD directed by Dr. Alan Scott Douglas.

My intention is not to solely promote this one residency, but also to inform those interested in completing an AEGD/GPR of what can be accomplished in an additional year of training at a high quality residency.

To the best of my ability, this is an honest and accurate account of my experience. I also included rough number ranges for cases that are typically completed.

San Antonio VA AEGD residency:

Pros:


Dr. Douglas is an incredibly dedicated program director whose primary goal is to push his residents to be the best clinicians possible. He has been the director of the residency for the past 27 years. He is the heart and soul of the program and has dedicated his career to advancing the dental profession though education and research ---- Reason enough to look into this residency

The veteran population presents the VA dentists with a large volume of complex treatment needs. The US government pays for the treatment for the veterans seen in the residency. There is no need to work on ‘selling’ dentistry until you are actually comfortable providing the advanced procedures taught in the residency. The primary care dentists working at the VA complete most of the basic general dentistry. The complex patients are referred to the residents and specialists.

Coverage: There are typically 6 residents. Often one or two of the residents are on oral surgery, anesthesia, geriatric or pediatric rotations. The remaining residents are covered in a 2:1 or 3:1 ratio of attending instructors (General dentist, Endodontist, Periodontist, Prosthodontist, etc).

Each day of residency starts with 1 hour of lecture in the morning before clinic for the day. There are weekly lectures on perio, endo, prosth and all facets of dentistry. Towards the end of the year Dr. Douglas even lectures on investing/saving for retirement (Dr. Douglas was an accountant prior to pursuing dentistry). Before and after clinic, residents will organize/review cases with Dr. Douglas.

At the beginning of residency, there is a denture rotation with the prosthodontist to learn about the fabrication of implant-retained dentures. In the morning he lectures on the step you are about to perform. Directly after, you watch the prosthodontist perform that step on his patient. In the afternoon, you complete this same step on your own patient with him covering. The whole process occurs this way with each resident completing his or her own case. The same occurs with a one-on-one surgery to complete open flap debridement surgeries termed: Demo 0 (periodontist does surgery with everyone watching how the sedation/surgery is conducted), Demo 1 (periodontist completes the surgery with you assisting) and Demo 2 (periodontist assists you during the surgery).

Competence in various procedures should be a factor of quantity of cases competed while upholding a high level of quality. For example, when placing implants, most cases should start with diagnostic casts, wax-ups, surgical/radiographic stents, CBCT studies and final treatment plan/discussion with restoratively driven implant placement.

The following facets of dentistry listed below are taught to a high level of competence:

Implant Dentistry: diagnosis and treatment planning of dental implants; fabrication of surgical guides; utilizing interpretation of cone beam images and Simplant CBCT guided implant stents; surgical placement (immediate, delayed immediate, edentulous) and restoration of dental implants; use of custom abutments; fixed and removable implant retained over-dentures and partial dentures.
30-80 implants. Typically around 50 implants

Esthetic Dentistry: diagnosis and treatment of altered passive eruption, dento-alveolar extrusion, and vertical maxillary excess; restoration with porcelain veneers and Emax crowns; CEREC Omnicam inlays/onlays; internal and external bleaching (in-office and at home trays).
Many large veneer cases

Periodontics: esthetic and functional crown lengthening; bone grafts (including use of Sonic Weld technology); open flap debridement; osteotome sinus lift; ridge split; Alloderm connective tissue grafting. Socket preservation/Guided bone regeneration: using materials such as Bio-Oss, Bio-Gide, GEM21S, Emdogain.

Extensive surgical experience in of the above procedures. 1-2 sedation surgeries each week, however surgery can be done most days under local anesthesia.

Endodontics: rotary instrumentation (Profile, Protaper and GT files); cold lateral/hybrid warm vertical obturation; experience with endodontic treatment of molars; non-surgical endodontic retreatment, apical surgery. Many calcified cases due to aging veteran population.
Approximately 40-60 cases. Typically 10-20 molars. A few re-treatments/apicos.

Oral Surgery: simple and surgical extractions; soft tissue biopsies; operating room experience
Tons of surgical extractions/bone grafting

Prosthodontics: full mouth rehabilitation; re-establishing occlusal vertical dimension; advanced crown and bridge
Extensive experience with full mouth and single arch rehabilitations. Typically around 3-6 FMRs on average.

The VA has an on-site lab which is great for delivering big cases. The tech with often come in the room to evaluate/change contours/stain etc.

Obstructive Sleep Apnea: treatment with Thorton Adjustable Positioner (TAP) appliance.

TMD: occlusal guard therapy, management of acute TMD conditions

Orthodontics: Invisalign; using fixed orthodontics to aid in complex restorative treatment plans. Orthodontist present for 2 days every other week.

Pedodontics: Pulpotomy, Stainless Steel crowns, Space maintenance. (Rotation at Santa Rosa childrens hospital has been temporarily discontinued, but may start back up soon)

IV Sedation approximately 40-50 cases

Extensive experience treating medically compromised patients

Clinical Photography - Each resident is given their own SLR camera and is expected to take high quality photos. At the end of the year, each resident gives a 1 hour case presentation illustrating all of the exciting cases they have completed throughout the year.

Throughout the year, each resident presents 2 treatment planning presentations on complex cases they have worked up as well as a research presentation on a topic of their choice.

Opportunities for community dentistry: Community dental clinics (ie. Haven for Hope), Free dental days (Dentistry from the Heart) etc


Compared to most other residencies there is a generous stipend

San Antonio is a great place to live. It’s an inexpensive city, favorable tax situation, lots activities, good food options. Also near Austin, which is a whole another experience in itself.

Cons:
Limited pediatric experience, however there are plans to re-start the pediatric residency rotation soon.

Limited third molar experience, however some impacted cases can be completed on the oral surgery rotation. Some younger veterans (early 20’s are being discharged and still need their 3rd molars removed).

Time consuming. Expect to put in a lot of time after hours and possibly on weekends to get the most out of the residency experience (this is actually a benefit to the residency). Residents who complete this residency are highly motivated and typically opt to stay late after treating patient to allow for treatment planning, lectures and lab work. Also, the residents are never ‘on call’

Some more info:

In addition to Dr. Douglas, there are multiple highly trained general dentists with 1 or 2 year AEGD experience on staff.

There are many full time specialists on staff: 2 prosthodontists, 1 endodontist, 2 oral surgeons, 1 periodontist, 1 TMD/oral path/oral radiologist/geriatric dentist.

1 part-time orthodontist.

As you can see, this residency will put you many, many years beyond your dental school experience. There is an optional second year of residency, but it is not common for residents to feel the need to say an additional year due to the condensation and intensity of the residency training. There was never a day that didn’t feel like I learned a ton.

The residents and instructors typically have very good relationships. The instructors are always open to discussing cases during and after hours. The residents are known to bond during the residency and often spend time together outside of the residency.

D3 and D4 dental students often visit the residency to shadow for just 1 day or up to 1 week. This is a great way to get a taste of what the residency is like.

I am happy to answer any questions about the residency. I also had learned about other residencies during the application process, but I obviously feel most comfortable discussing this program due to my experience there. There are a lot of other programs out there, but I felt like this one offered the highest volume of high quality experiences. The 6 resident typically produce around 5 million dollars of dentistry (based on old fee scales from the 90s, so it’s probably a lot more in todays dollars).

If you would like to shadow the residency or have any questions, please contact Dr. Douglas at [email protected]

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I have already received quite a few private responses regarding the above post. I really appreciate everyones interest in residency programs including this one. A lot of people on this thread will have the same questions, so please try and post your questions publicly so others may benefit. I look forward to being able to help those considering applying to AEGD/GPR programs.
 
This sounds amazing. How competitive is it to get one of the 6 residency spots?
 
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This sounds amazing. How competitive is it to get one of the 6 residency spots?
Competitive is a relative term. Grades/scores are important but I think they're looking for residents that are really motivated to learn and for people who will all get along as a group. I would really urge anyone to apply to a bunch of good AEGD/GPR programs after dental school. Ultimately you will end up at whichever residency is a good fit...the selection process should be mutual.
 
Thanks for the great post! Mind if I ask if you happen to know the ballpark of class rankings you/your co-residents had or any rankings of recently graduated residents?
 
Thanks for the great post! Mind if I ask if you happen to know the ballpark of class rankings you/your co-residents had or any rankings of recently graduated residents?
From my understanding they are looking for good students (at least top half of the class), but typically they get a lot of applicants in top 10%. With that said, class rank is only one factor. It doesn't mean you will be a good dentist/resident. You could just be a good student academically speaking. As I mentioned in a previous post, 'grades/scores are important but I think they're looking for residents that are really motivated to learn and for people who will all get along as a group'. My recommendation would be to do your best in dental school, but don't let a few grades get in the way of you pursuing excellence throughout your career.
 
Thanks for the great post! I am currently applying to residencies and the San Antonio VA is at the top of my list. Can you share your thoughts on other programs you considered or programs you thought to be of similar quality?
 
Thanks for the great post! I am currently applying to residencies and the San Antonio VA is at the top of my list. Can you share your thoughts on other programs you considered or programs you thought to be of similar quality?

There are a lot of strong programs out there now. I'm sure some other people on SD will be able to contribute more information/additional programs. My knowledge about the following programs is based on my research, word of mouth and the internet. Here are some of those programs in no particular order: St. Petersburg Seminole, Palmetto, Georgia, UTHSCSA San Antonio, Pocatello Idaho, SLC Utah VA.
Things can change quickly and some programs might be better/worse. I am partial to the VA programs because patients don't have to pay, so case acceptance is not an issue...especially for interesting cosmetic/elective procedures like esthetic crown lengthening/veneers, etc. Best of luck aallyson!
 
Hi ,Thank u for your post . I am an international trained dentist . I would like to know how beneficial is the AEGD program is for an international dentist?
 
Hi. I just want to know the fees for this programs per year? and is there a financial aid or loans for international student?
 
Hi I'm a fourth year dental student in NY. I am interested in applying to GPR programs in Manhattan/ Brooklyn.
I was wondering if anyone can please provide me with updated information about the following programs:
Columbia GPR
Woodhull Medical Center GPR
Wycoff Heights GPR
Harlem Hospital GPR
Kingsbrook Jewish GPR
Mount Sinai GPR
NYU Lutheran GPR
Brooklyn Hospital Center GPR
Maimonides GPR
Brooklyn Methodist GPR

Please provide me with information about how these programs are in terms of experience, and how future employers view these programs. Thank you!
 
Hi ,Thank u for your post . I am an international trained dentist . I would like to know how beneficial is the AEGD program is for an international dentist?
It will be helpful for any dentist from anywhere. I would encourage you to look into it more. Being a VA, there are probably some citizenship/background training/licensing requirements, etc.
 
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Hi I'm a fourth year dental student in NY. I am interested in applying to GPR programs in Manhattan/ Brooklyn.
I was wondering if anyone can please provide me with updated information about the following programs:
Columbia GPR
Woodhull Medical Center GPR
Wycoff Heights GPR
Harlem Hospital GPR
Kingsbrook Jewish GPR
Mount Sinai GPR
NYU Lutheran GPR
Brooklyn Hospital Center GPR
Maimonides GPR
Brooklyn Methodist GPR

Please provide me with information about how these programs are in terms of experience, and how future employers view these programs. Thank you!
Must contact and visit all of these programs. No one similar to the other. Locations and environment important. Some have relatively new PD's. Some have not changed in 10 years. Some in hospital, some off site. Some are primary care facilities, others are rehab centers. Do yourself a favor and visit for first hand look, this site is not always reliable.
What to look at:
Enough space for all residents, or are they farmed out to non dental rotations to keep chairs open
Enough faculty, and are they retirees or still practicing
Only young inexperienced faculty? (less than 10 years out of D school)
Does PD do clinical work, or just administration? Clinical PD's will be in the clinic with you teaching.
Are current residents happy or miserable already?
Where do residents come from? Multiple OOS schools indicate program is interesting to those not needing NYS license.
What procedures are being done at your visit, not just promised.
Does the program have a culture?
Is the clinic equipped for 21st century dentistry?

Just a short list. Do your research.
 
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Firstly, thank you for the elaborate details in your post. When you applied, who did you get letters of recommendations from? Was it a general dentists and specialist, or all general dentists, or a combination of different specialists, etc? How many letters did you have? In terms of a personal statement, is there anything you felt that you would include or mention in there that would help an applicant make them more competitive or stand out?

Other than this program, what other programs did you rank up up there being one of your top ranks and that you would recommend also looking into? I know you mentioned others, but what others did you apply to, which you felt were good?
 
I got letters from any dental faculty I felt knew me the best. I had a couple of general dentists and a prosthodontist write my letters. I don't remember, but I think it was 3-4 letters. If you have a clinic 'team leader' or other faculty who supervise you often, I would recommend you get a letter from them. I think the main thing is to just be yourself...when it comes to your personal statement, interview, etc.
It seems different programs fall in and out of favor. Georgia, Palmetto and St. Pete are programs that come to mind, but I really don't see how they could stack up to the San Antonio VA. Best of luck!
 
Copied from a private conversation to help all those following this thread:

Hi Dental Samurai,

I'm currently a D3 at a northeast dental school. I would like to visit the program but it is a bit far from me and I would have to take a 2 days off from school to visit. Do the program directors heavily favor students who visit the school vs. those who don't?

Thanks,
Ryan
 
I think it is helpful to get an idea of what the residency can provide. It also allows you to get to know the existing residents and meet the director without having a bunch of other applicants around. I think it goes without saying that a program visit can either help or hurt your chances of acceptance.
 
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Program visits before July are best. The residents are experienced and can give you a real perspective of what they do. April and May they are finishing up the most complex cases. PD's have more time in April/May to speak with potential applicants.
Behave during your visit. Any perceived misbehavior is a kiss of death.
 
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Hello @Dental Samurai,

I'm a rising D3 student and was interested in this VA program. Do you have any contact info for current residents? I have reached out to Dr. Douglas, but I haven't received a response.

Thanks!

As a former resident, I would like to share my experience at the San Antonio VA AEGD directed by Dr. Alan Scott Douglas.

My intention is not to solely promote this one residency, but also to inform those interested in completing an AEGD/GPR of what can be accomplished in an additional year of training at a high quality residency.

To the best of my ability, this is an honest and accurate account of my experience. I also included rough number ranges for cases that are typically completed.

San Antonio VA AEGD residency:

Pros:


Dr. Douglas is an incredibly dedicated program director whose primary goal is to push his residents to be the best clinicians possible. He has been the director of the residency for the past 27 years. He is the heart and soul of the program and has dedicated his career to advancing the dental profession though education and research ---- Reason enough to look into this residency

The veteran population presents the VA dentists with a large volume of complex treatment needs. The US government pays for the treatment for the veterans seen in the residency. There is no need to work on ‘selling’ dentistry until you are actually comfortable providing the advanced procedures taught in the residency. The primary care dentists working at the VA complete most of the basic general dentistry. The complex patients are referred to the residents and specialists.

Coverage: There are typically 6 residents. Often one or two of the residents are on oral surgery, anesthesia, geriatric or pediatric rotations. The remaining residents are covered in a 2:1 or 3:1 ratio of attending instructors (General dentist, Endodontist, Periodontist, Prosthodontist, etc).

Each day of residency starts with 1 hour of lecture in the morning before clinic for the day. There are weekly lectures on perio, endo, prosth and all facets of dentistry. Towards the end of the year Dr. Douglas even lectures on investing/saving for retirement (Dr. Douglas was an accountant prior to pursuing dentistry). Before and after clinic, residents will organize/review cases with Dr. Douglas.

At the beginning of residency, there is a denture rotation with the prosthodontist to learn about the fabrication of implant-retained dentures. In the morning he lectures on the step you are about to perform. Directly after, you watch the prosthodontist perform that step on his patient. In the afternoon, you complete this same step on your own patient with him covering. The whole process occurs this way with each resident completing his or her own case. The same occurs with a one-on-one surgery to complete open flap debridement surgeries termed: Demo 0 (periodontist does surgery with everyone watching how the sedation/surgery is conducted), Demo 1 (periodontist completes the surgery with you assisting) and Demo 2 (periodontist assists you during the surgery).

Competence in various procedures should be a factor of quantity of cases competed while upholding a high level of quality. For example, when placing implants, most cases should start with diagnostic casts, wax-ups, surgical/radiographic stents, CBCT studies and final treatment plan/discussion with restoratively driven implant placement.

The following facets of dentistry listed below are taught to a high level of competence:

Implant Dentistry: diagnosis and treatment planning of dental implants; fabrication of surgical guides; utilizing interpretation of cone beam images and Simplant CBCT guided implant stents; surgical placement (immediate, delayed immediate, edentulous) and restoration of dental implants; use of custom abutments; fixed and removable implant retained over-dentures and partial dentures.
30-80 implants. Typically around 50 implants

Esthetic Dentistry: diagnosis and treatment of altered passive eruption, dento-alveolar extrusion, and vertical maxillary excess; restoration with porcelain veneers and Emax crowns; CEREC Omnicam inlays/onlays; internal and external bleaching (in-office and at home trays).
Many large veneer cases

Periodontics: esthetic and functional crown lengthening; bone grafts (including use of Sonic Weld technology); open flap debridement; osteotome sinus lift; ridge split; Alloderm connective tissue grafting. Socket preservation/Guided bone regeneration: using materials such as Bio-Oss, Bio-Gide, GEM21S, Emdogain.

Extensive surgical experience in of the above procedures. 1-2 sedation surgeries each week, however surgery can be done most days under local anesthesia.

Endodontics: rotary instrumentation (Profile, Protaper and GT files); cold lateral/hybrid warm vertical obturation; experience with endodontic treatment of molars; non-surgical endodontic retreatment, apical surgery. Many calcified cases due to aging veteran population.
Approximately 40-60 cases. Typically 10-20 molars. A few re-treatments/apicos.

Oral Surgery: simple and surgical extractions; soft tissue biopsies; operating room experience
Tons of surgical extractions/bone grafting

Prosthodontics: full mouth rehabilitation; re-establishing occlusal vertical dimension; advanced crown and bridge
Extensive experience with full mouth and single arch rehabilitations. Typically around 3-6 FMRs on average.

The VA has an on-site lab which is great for delivering big cases. The tech with often come in the room to evaluate/change contours/stain etc.

Obstructive Sleep Apnea: treatment with Thorton Adjustable Positioner (TAP) appliance.

TMD: occlusal guard therapy, management of acute TMD conditions

Orthodontics: Invisalign; using fixed orthodontics to aid in complex restorative treatment plans. Orthodontist present for 2 days every other week.

Pedodontics: Pulpotomy, Stainless Steel crowns, Space maintenance. (Rotation at Santa Rosa childrens hospital has been temporarily discontinued, but may start back up soon)

IV Sedation approximately 40-50 cases

Extensive experience treating medically compromised patients

Clinical Photography
- Each resident is given their own SLR camera and is expected to take high quality photos. At the end of the year, each resident gives a 1 hour case presentation illustrating all of the exciting cases they have completed throughout the year.

Throughout the year, each resident presents 2 treatment planning presentations on complex cases they have worked up as well as a research presentation on a topic of their choice.

Opportunities for community dentistry: Community dental clinics (ie. Haven for Hope), Free dental days (Dentistry from the Heart) etc


Compared to most other residencies there is a generous stipend

San Antonio is a great place to live. It’s an inexpensive city, favorable tax situation, lots activities, good food options. Also near Austin, which is a whole another experience in itself.

Cons:
Limited pediatric experience, however there are plans to re-start the pediatric residency rotation soon.

Limited third molar experience, however some impacted cases can be completed on the oral surgery rotation. Some younger veterans (early 20’s are being discharged and still need their 3rd molars removed).

Time consuming. Expect to put in a lot of time after hours and possibly on weekends to get the most out of the residency experience (this is actually a benefit to the residency). Residents who complete this residency are highly motivated and typically opt to stay late after treating patient to allow for treatment planning, lectures and lab work. Also, the residents are never ‘on call’

Some more info:

In addition to Dr. Douglas, there are multiple highly trained general dentists with 1 or 2 year AEGD experience on staff.

There are many full time specialists on staff: 2 prosthodontists, 1 endodontist, 2 oral surgeons, 1 periodontist, 1 TMD/oral path/oral radiologist/geriatric dentist.

1 part-time orthodontist.

As you can see, this residency will put you many, many years beyond your dental school experience. There is an optional second year of residency, but it is not common for residents to feel the need to say an additional year due to the condensation and intensity of the residency training. There was never a day that didn’t feel like I learned a ton.

The residents and instructors typically have very good relationships. The instructors are always open to discussing cases during and after hours. The residents are known to bond during the residency and often spend time together outside of the residency.

D3 and D4 dental students often visit the residency to shadow for just 1 day or up to 1 week. This is a great way to get a taste of what the residency is like.

I am happy to answer any questions about the residency. I also had learned about other residencies during the application process, but I obviously feel most comfortable discussing this program due to my experience there. There are a lot of other programs out there, but I felt like this one offered the highest volume of high quality experiences. The 6 resident typically produce around 5 million dollars of dentistry (based on old fee scales from the 90s, so it’s probably a lot more in todays dollars).

If you would like to shadow the residency or have any questions, please contact Dr. Douglas at [email protected]
 
As an aside, the LOC’s are important, but most faculty have little guidance on how to write them. Perhaps some faculty would like to chime in on a template. Once this conversation begins, I can give my own thoughts as a former PD.
 
Hello @setdoc7

I was wanting to email a few program coordinators/directors in order to set-up a program visit in the next couple months. It has just been quite frustrating for all dental school/programs right now due to COVID-19 restrictions and whether or not they are treating patients or even accepting visitors. Would you recommend waiting until more clear COVID restriction news comes out prior to emailing them for a visit? My application is near complete soon, so I was planning on submitting it by the end of this month at the latest. Is it worth visiting a program after having submitted an application, or it would have been better to have visited prior to submitting an application? Also, I have a few programs that I have real genuine interest in, but not sure If i will be able to visit prior to interview season -- is it worth sending a short email to these coordinators/directors expressing my interest in their program due to X, Y and Z? Any information would be greatly appreciated, I apologize for the numerous questions! Thank you for your time!

Also, just wanted to say that I have been reading a lot of studentdoctor threads with your replies and wanted to mention how appreciative most readers here are for your valuable information and insight. It has been immensely helpful so just wanted to let you know that we are all thankful!
 
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