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Due to poor retention and recruitment, the Air Force Reserves has raised the age of joining. There are several ways to do this:

a. Join as enlisted (these seem to be where the slots are available) Some people do this and transition to officer later
b. Join as an officer, but not a pharmacist
c. Join as a pharmacist

What are the pluses and minuses of each route? How mobile are the reserves, for instance, if one has to change civilian jobs, how easy is it to move to a new, local unit?

Pyramidal promotion policy: is it like active duty, where there are minimum promotional requirements that have to be met to stay in the reserves? How tough are these to make, how many people do not make them, and what are the main reasons they aren't made?

In regards to benefits, I know the active duty personnel are on a proportional basis, that is their tricare and pension benefits are based on years of service. My preliminary research shows that reservists are on the old model, that is a minimum of 20 years have to be completed? Is this true, and if it is, how difficult is it to meet that 20 years, given less ability to accrue points as a reservist?

What are peoples' thoughts on joining? What have experiences been and would you recommend it?

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I don't know much about this but have been debating talking to a recruiter about applyingfor the last couple months. Personally I wouldn't really consider options a or b. Both would start way lower in rank/pay and I think include a longer initial training since only option c allows you to direct commission.
 
Each of your choices (although within the capacity of the DOD) are completely different career journeys. So different, that it could be damaging to your career trajectory if you are not entirely sure what your endgame is. I'll try to talk on each (civilian logo) as if you're already a licensed practicing pharmacist.

a. Join as enlisted (these seem to be where the slots are available) Some people do this and transition to officer later

If you join as enlisted, you would go in as an E-3 (air force = airman first class) or E-4 (army = specialist). You are still required to do your basic training + advanced individual training (AIT) depending on what military occupational specialty (MOS) you sign up for. For enlistment purposes within the airforce, think of it as picking 10 technician roles and allowing the airforce to pick the slot for you. Whatever they pick, you do. That is your active duty contract. You move and work where they place you. The fact that you are a pharmacist does not play any role in your job training. So for X amount of years of active duty, you throw your PharmD diploma in the closet.

b. Join as an officer, but not a pharmacist

You would then come in as a junior officer (O-1). Once again, you do not dictate your job or role, the DOD does it for you (I speak in general, not absolutes). You could be working on supply chain roles and pushing inventory of "military important items" on the east or west coast. Again, your professional degree plays no role in this capacity. You throw you PharmD in the closet.

c. Join as a pharmacist

This I would say is perhaps the more viable choice. You will still do "officer training" but your initial role is indeed to work as a pharmacist. You would come in as an O-3 (captain) and play the role. In most settings, picture it as filling the capacity of running a pharmacy w/o cash registers. You may also be placed in a field capacity (deployment readiness/preparation in a "MASH" tent, but with air conditioning and buildings for air force). However, the longevity of pharmacist staying active duty is then being field grade officers (O-4+) of which you would mostly be taking on administrative duties. These duties could be designing and updating new standard operational procedures. This can also include back-filling for others.

The biggest takeaway to remember is the longer you are in, the further you are from direct patient care. You are also responsible for "everything", especially things you will have absolutely no control over. You will still be required to maintain minimum physical fitness as well as logging/documenting and being accountable for all those under you (both within and outside the pharmacy). Although deployment is the training purpose, you will also be responsible to back-fill for others who are deployed, and therefore serve a dual role in taking care of your unit as well as others. Visit military forum to get an idea of what general roles that could be.

How mobile are the reserves, for instance, if one has to change civilian jobs, how easy is it to move to a new, local unit?

This is perhaps one of the best questions you can ask. As a reservist, you are still bound to go through initial training (active duty status) prior to being placed within your local unit. You must let your employer know of your reserve status and reserve time responsibilities. Legally, you cannot be restrained from fulfilling your reserve duties and its illegal to terminate an individual due to such duties (2 week training in summer, working weekends, or deployed 3, 6, 9 months at a time). However, many reservists have found out that the workforce has ways of "letting you go" if necessary. This is more challenging if you have a family and ever end up moving to a new region.

Pyramidal promotion policy: is it like active duty, where there are minimum promotional requirements that have to be met to stay in the reserves? How tough are these to make, how many people do not make them, and what are the main reasons they aren't made?
What you call pyramidal promotions is really more direct than that. Either you pass your physical fitness test, stay green on deployment status (ie, qualifying on your marksmanship by hitting your targets with an M-16) do whatever your senior tells you to do (take out the trash or come up with a fun 04:00 run for the platoon to build "character"), or you get let go. The majority of people who are let go either decided to do bare minimum requirements of their initial obligation, or are no longer physically fit (common more so in air force than army/marines).

In regards to benefits, I know the active duty personnel are on a proportional basis, that is their tricare and pension benefits are based on years of service. My preliminary research shows that reservists are on the old model, that is a minimum of 20 years have to be completed? Is this true, and if it is, how difficult is it to meet that 20 years, given less ability to accrue points as a reservist?
Not sure what you mean by proportional basis. In terms of health benefits for you and family, if you're active duty its the same across the board. Pension benefit (changed a few years ago) is still based on minimum 20 years of service, but you do get to enroll in matching benefits in your thrift savings plan (TSP) which is essentially your 401k plus contributions. The additional pension pay-out depends on every year beyond 20 years that you serve (I encourage you to look at what the change was that took place in 2017 - 2018 era).

In terms of pension benefits based on as a reservist, you would not see any payment of your service until you are 60 years of age (minimum of 50 retirement points per each eligible year). You may look up what the requirements are for the points, but that is what the benefits look like if one chose to go that route rather than active duty.

Personally, if I played my cards better, I would've finished off as a field-grade pharmacist, collect a few board certs along the way, do my minimum 20, and then exit out in a VA capacity setting at a higher GS grade (or play my cards right, invest, and be a young retired individual). Benefits are great if you go in as a pharmacist, but you will need to reach out to someone to really understand what that is going to entail (no such thing as a simple 40-hour week).

For additional Airforce Pharmacy questions, you can reach out to @dereku (if he is still on) who is an active airforce pharmacist.

- Hope that helps
 
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" finished off as a field-grade pharmacist, collect a few board certs along the way, do my minimum 20, and then exit out in a VA capacity setting at a higher GS grade (or play my cards right, invest, and be a young retired individual)"

+1 to either
 
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Each of your choices (although within the capacity of the DOD) are completely different career journeys. So different, that it could be damaging to your career trajectory if you are not entirely sure what your endgame is. I'll try to talk on each (civilian logo) as if you're already a licensed practicing pharmacist.



If you join as enlisted, you would go in as an E-3 (air force = airman first class) or E-4 (army = specialist). You are still required to do your basic training + advanced individual training (AIT) depending on what military occupational specialty (MOS) you sign up for. For enlistment purposes within the airforce, think of it as picking 10 technician roles and allowing the airforce to pick the slot for you. Whatever they pick, you do. That is your active duty contract. You move and work where they place you. The fact that you are a pharmacist does not play any role in your job training. So for X amount of years of active duty, you throw your PharmD diploma in the closet.



You would then come in as a junior officer (O-1). Once again, you do not dictate your job or role, the DOD does it for you (I speak in general, not absolutes). You could be working on supply chain roles and pushing inventory of "military important items" on the east or west coast. Again, your professional degree plays no role in this capacity. You throw you PharmD in the closet.



This I would say is perhaps the more viable choice. You will still do "officer training" but your initial role is indeed to work as a pharmacist. You would come in as an O-3 (captain) and play the role. In most settings, picture it as filling the capacity of running a pharmacy w/o cash registers. You may also be placed in a field capacity (deployment readiness/preparation in a "MASH" tent, but with air conditioning and buildings for air force). However, the longevity of pharmacist staying active duty is then being field grade officers (O-4+) of which you would mostly be taking on administrative duties. These duties could be designing and updating new standard operational procedures. This can also include back-filling for others.

The biggest takeaway to remember is the longer you are in, the further you are from direct patient care. You are also responsible for "everything", especially things you will have absolutely no control over. You will still be required to maintain minimum physical fitness as well as logging/documenting and being accountable for all those under you (both within and outside the pharmacy). Although deployment is the training purpose, you will also be responsible to back-fill for others who are deployed, and therefore serve a dual role in taking care of your unit as well as others. Visit military forum to get an idea of what general roles that could be.



This is perhaps one of the best questions you can ask. As a reservist, you are still bound to go through initial training (active duty status) prior to being placed within your local unit. You must let your employer know of your reserve status and reserve time responsibilities. Legally, you cannot be restrained from fulfilling your reserve duties and its illegal to terminate an individual due to such duties (2 week training in summer, working weekends, or deployed 3, 6, 9 months at a time). However, many reservists have found out that the workforce has ways of "letting you go" if necessary. This is more challenging if you have a family and ever end up moving to a new region.


What you call pyramidal promotions is really more direct than that. Either you pass your physical fitness test, stay green on deployment status (ie, qualifying on your marksmanship by hitting your targets with an M-16) do whatever your senior tells you to do (take out the trash or come up with a fun 04:00 run for the platoon to build "character"), or you get let go. The majority of people who are let go either decided to do bare minimum requirements of their initial obligation, or are no longer physically fit (common more so in air force than army/marines).


Not sure what you mean by proportional basis. In terms of health benefits for you and family, if you're active duty its the same across the board. Pension benefit (changed a few years ago) is still based on minimum 20 years of service, but you do get to enroll in matching benefits in your thrift savings plan (TSP) which is essentially your 401k plus contributions. The additional pension pay-out depends on every year beyond 20 years that you serve (I encourage you to look at what the change was that took place in 2017 - 2018 era).

In terms of pension benefits based on as a reservist, you would not see any payment of your service until you are 60 years of age (minimum of 50 retirement points per each eligible year). You may look up what the requirements are for the points, but that is what the benefits look like if one chose to go that route rather than active duty.

Personally, if I played my cards better, I would've finished off as a field-grade pharmacist, collect a few board certs along the way, do my minimum 20, and then exit out in a VA capacity setting at a higher GS grade (or play my cards right, invest, and be a young retired individual). Benefits are great if you go in as a pharmacist, but you will need to reach out to someone to really understand what that is going to entail (no such thing as a simple 40-hour week).

For additional Airforce Pharmacy questions, you can reach out to @dereku (if he is still on) who is an active airforce pharmacist.

- Hope that helps
My interest was stictly reserves at this point.
My concern was not being able to get the full twenty years in. I read on the airforce website that one can achieve benefits before the 20 years if they have extra deployments, training days or volunteer for assignments. (I have no idea of the mechanism of any of these--please elaborate.)

Also, I am worried about the main civilian job. There is no job security in the private sector. How common and how would one know if the company would hate reservists, or even a boss? What do they do to get rid of people?

The retirement changed, but I thought it was easier to obtain it, though at much lower pay-out, then the old 20 year system. Can someone elaborate on that?

Is there a certain age that it's impossible to do reserves, where it's practically impossible to stay? If one has to do the twenty years to get the pension, does this also include the tricare benefit for retirement?

I am not worried about fitness at this point, though that may change when in my 50s? I know expectations are lower but are they still reasonable at that time? Also, my primary concern is the up or out system. Do the reserves have this problem? How does it work and what proportion do not make at what points of service?

If someone moves, how easy is it to find another unit for healthcare people?
 
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My interest was stictly reserves at this point.
My concern was not being able to get the full twenty years in. I read on the airforce website that one can achieve benefits before the 20 years if they have extra deployments, training days or volunteer for assignments. (I have no idea of the mechanism of any of these--please elaborate.)

Also, I am worried about the main civilian job. There is no job security in the private sector. How common and how would one know if the company would hate reservists, or even a boss? What do they do to get rid of people?

The retirement changed, but I thought it was easier to obtain it, though at much lower pay-out, then the old 20 year system. Can someone elaborate on that?

Is there a certain age that it's impossible to do reserves, where it's practically impossible to stay? If one has to do the twenty years to get the pension, does this also include the tricare benefit for retirement?

I am not worried about fitness at this point, though that may change when in my 50s? I know expectations are lower but are they still reasonable at that time? Also, my primary concern is the up or out system. Do the reserves have this problem? How does it work and what proportion do not make at what points of service?

If someone moves, how easy is it to find another unit for healthcare people?
I think you are thinking too much. No one would know what would happen exactly their career in 20 years (simply because things will change). If you want to joint as a Reserve RPh then your best resource will be your local military Healthcare Recruiter. Talk to them and find out if there is any " recruitment mission for Reserve RPh" (cuz sometimes there is none). Keep in mind, Reserve RPh is probably one of the HARDEST job to get in the pharmacy world. If you are qualified and lucky enough to be selected for commission, stay for a few years and figure out the rest from there.
 
I can speak on the Army Reserve side:

1. Do not enlist with the expectation of switching over to officer. There’s no guarantee that you will be picked up. Enlisted pay for a weekend drill is about $300 for the entire weekend.

2. You can join as an officer and that would most likely be the easiest route. Right now the Army is over strength in a lot of medical positions, including pharmacist.

3. Pharmacy Officer - the Army selects an average of 6-10 per year. It’s not easy to get selected, but if you are selected then you would start as a Captain. This was already covered by someone above.

4. How easily you can change units will depend on your current unit and the accepting unit. When I transferred from a stateside unit to one in Europe, it was done in a day. I have a friend who waited 6 months for his unit to sign off on his release to another unit when he moved. Once you have a CAC, you’ll be able to look up units on milsuite and see which units need a pharmacist.

5. Promotion: This is big right now as it’s getting tougher to promote from Captain to Major, and then to LTC. Army is highly encouraging pharmacists to re-class to a different MOS. If you are passed up for promotion 2 years in a row, then you will be discharged. There, are, of course waivers for everything but the most likely course is separation after being a 2 time non promote.

6. Retirement: The Army has switched over to a BRS. I would suggest making yourself familiar with that information here:


It’s my understanding that you will need the full 20 to get tricare for life once you turn 65. Someone correct me if I’m wrong. Mandatory retirement is age 60.

7. Civilian Job Security: this was covered above. I work for the Army as a civ, so I don’t have this problem. However, I know plenty of pharmacy officers who are not federal gov employees and they are doing fine. Some of them volunteer for as many mobilizations as they can just to get away from their civilian job.

8. Fitness: In the Army you will be expected to take and pass the ACFT at least once a year. You can see the minimums for each exercise here:



This is all for USAR. I can’t speak on Air Force and Navy.
 
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Mandatory retirement age is 60, including airforce?

Can you elaborate on the promotion schema, as it relates to reserves? Every two years is not a long time, and that seems excessive compared to the number of ranks and the rank of retirees I observe. How does one get promotions?

Also, no one has still addressed about the qualifying points. This graphic is a basic idea, but my questions relate to how to increase them per year, so that a reservist might retire before the 20 year period, e.g., extra training days, special assignments and/or deployments increasing points per the usually monthly reporting.

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These are mandatory retirement ages for airforce reserve officers. There is a section on the website mentioning waivers up to 67. Are these hard or easy to get?

ANG and AFR Mandatory Separation Date

Mandatory Separation Date (After 1 October 1996)
If Officer is:then mandatory separation date is:
Second Lieutenant
First Lieutenant
Captain
Major
Not Applicable
Lieutenant ColonelThe first day of the month after the month in which the officer completes 28 years commissioned service or age 62, whichever is earlier. (See notes 1, 5, and 6) Authority: 10 USC 14507(a) and 14509
ColonelThe first day of the month after the month in which the officer completes 30 years commissioned service or age 62, whichever is earlier. (See notes 2, 5, and 6) Authority: 10 USC 14507(b) and 14509
Brigadier General30 years and 30 days commissioned service or five years in grade whichever is later; or the last day of the month in which the officer attains age 62, whichever is earlier. (See notes 3, 5, and 6) Authority: 10 USC 14508(a)(c)(e) and 14509
Major General35 years and 30 days commissioned service or five years in grade whichever is later; or the last day of the month in which the officer attains age 64, whichever is earlier. (See notes 4, 5, and 6) Authority: 10 USC 14508(b)(d)(e) and 14511
Lieutenant General
General
35 years and 30 days commissioned service or five years in grade whichever is later; or the last day of the month in which officer attains age 66.
Authority: 10 USC 14508(b)(d) and 14512(a)(2)(B)

NOTES:​

 
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Mandatory retirement age is 60, including airforce?

Can you elaborate on the promotion schema, as it relates to reserves? Every two years is not a long time, and that seems excessive compared to the number of ranks and the rank of retirees I observe. How does one get promotions?

Also, no one has still addressed about the qualifying points. This graphic is a basic idea, but my questions relate to how to increase them per year, so that a reservist might retire before the 20 year period, e.g., extra training days, special assignments and/or deployments increasing points per the usually monthly reporting.

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These are mandatory retirement ages for airforce reserve officers. There is a section on the website mentioning waivers up to 67. Are these hard or easy to get?

ANG and AFR Mandatory Separation Date

Mandatory Separation Date (After 1 October 1996)
If Officer is:then mandatory separation date is:
Second Lieutenant
First Lieutenant
Captain
Major
Not Applicable
Lieutenant ColonelThe first day of the month after the month in which the officer completes 28 years commissioned service or age 62, whichever is earlier. (See notes 1, 5, and 6) Authority: 10 USC 14507(a) and 14509
ColonelThe first day of the month after the month in which the officer completes 30 years commissioned service or age 62, whichever is earlier. (See notes 2, 5, and 6) Authority: 10 USC 14507(b) and 14509
Brigadier General30 years and 30 days commissioned service or five years in grade whichever is later; or the last day of the month in which the officer attains age 62, whichever is earlier. (See notes 3, 5, and 6) Authority: 10 USC 14508(a)(c)(e) and 14509
Major General35 years and 30 days commissioned service or five years in grade whichever is later; or the last day of the month in which the officer attains age 64, whichever is earlier. (See notes 4, 5, and 6) Authority: 10 USC 14508(b)(d)(e) and 14511
Lieutenant General
General
35 years and 30 days commissioned service or five years in grade whichever is later; or the last day of the month in which officer attains age 66.
Authority: 10 USC 14508(b)(d) and 14512(a)(2)(B)

NOTES:​

As a guard/reservist, you need 50 qualifying points (aka retirement points) a year to have a "good year". And you need to have 20 good years to be eligible for retirement pay at age 60 (ie if you join at 18, have 20 good years at age 38, you won't get retirement pay until you are 60). A "normal" year in the reserve will earn you ~80 points so usually it is not a big deal for people to have a good year. Yes, you can earn more than 100 points per year but it is not counted as "2 good years". Volunteer for deployments (aka active duty) will increase your retirement points (which increase your retirement pay & also may help you get retirement pay earlier than age of 60) but I don't think it will shorten the required "20 good years of service". Your best resources for this will be a healthcare recruiter or DoD websites.
 
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As a guard/reservist, you need 50 qualifying points (aka retirement points) a year to have a "good year". And you need to have 20 good years to be eligible for retirement pay at age 60 (ie if you join at 18, have 20 good years at age 38, you won't get retirement pay until you are 60). A "normal" year in the reserve will earn you ~80 points so usually it is not a big deal for people to have a good year. Yes, you can earn more than 100 points per year but it is not counted as "2 good years". Volunteer for deployments (aka active duty) will increase your retirement points (which increase your retirement pay & also may help you get retirement pay earlier than age of 60) but I don't think it will shorten the required "20 good years of service". Your best resources for this will be a healthcare recruiter or DoD websites.
On part of the website of the airforce, it said it was possible to get more points, equalling less years, with a minimum of 13 years, if someone had super maxed out the points/year.
Can someone elaborate about the competitiveness of reserves and promotion and the minimum promotion time table to continue in the reserves. Can someone englighten?
 
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On part of the website of the airforce, it said it was possible to get more points, equalling less years, with a minimum of 13 years, if someone had super maxed out the points/year.
Can someone elaborate about the competitiveness of reserves and promotion and the minimum promotion time table to continue in the reserves. Can someone englighten?
I have no idea about that "13 years". Even if you serve 24hrs/day & 365 days / year (aka active duty), you still need 20 years to get retirement pay. Yes, there were times in the past that the Army allowed retirement after 15 years. However it was only temporary.
A RPh with rank O5 (LtCol) usually has a role of a Director of Pharmacy at a hospital; rank O6 (Col) = Chief Pharmacy Officer of a health system. So, yes it's probably hard to make those ranks and not everyone will last 20 years.
 
I have no idea about that "13 years". Even if you serve 24hrs/day & 365 days / year (aka active duty), you still need 20 years to get retirement pay. Yes, there were times in the past that the Army allowed retirement after 15 years. However it was only temporary.
A RPh with rank O5 (LtCol) usually has a role of a Director of Pharmacy at a hospital; rank O6 (Col) = Chief Pharmacy Officer of a health system. So, yes it's probably hard to make those ranks and not everyone will last 20 years.
This is also the case for reserves? Though I may be intersted in joining active duty, it is my understanding that it is not an option.

If one cannot get the 20 years, is there any benefit of being in the reserves? It seems to pay less than taking per diems and retaliation by my company (not retail) for taking training off is a concern. Is tricare available after only 20 years as well?

I would prefer reserves to per diem, as a break if nothing else.
 
If one cannot get the 20 years, is there any benefit of being in the reserves? It seems to pay less than taking per diems and retaliation by my company (not retail) for taking training off is a concern.
Any answer to this can only be subjective, but I would say in your case the cons outweigh the benefits, especially if the plan is not to try for 20 qualifying years. If you worked within the VA system and was in the reserves, I would say the benefit of getting less push-back for your reserve duties are minimal (still in existence though). In the end, if you are simply doing this as a form of "per diem" I do not think the work/culture of the reserves is worth it.

Is tricare available after only 20 years as well?
If you happen to do 20 years in the reserves, your tricare is gone until you're 60 years of age. You are more than welcome to purchase TRR (Tricare Retirement Reserve) health plan, but you won't see any comparable benefit of your 20-year service (plus pension pay-out) until later in your years.
 
Any answer to this can only be subjective, but I would say in your case the cons outweigh the benefits, especially if the plan is not to try for 20 qualifying years. If you worked within the VA system and was in the reserves, I would say the benefit of getting less push-back for your reserve duties are minimal (still in existence though). In the end, if you are simply doing this as a form of "per diem" I do not think the work/culture of the reserves is worth it.


If you happen to do 20 years in the reserves, your tricare is gone until you're 60 years of age. You are more than welcome to purchase TRR (Tricare Retirement Reserve) health plan, but you won't see any comparable benefit of your 20-year service (plus pension pay-out) until later in your years.
It looks like this may be the case. Do you know anyway to get the 20 years if one is starting later in life? Is there a cut-off for mandatory retirement, either official or because of PT or something like that?

Whatis the reserve culture like?
 
It looks like this may be the case. Do you know anyway to get the 20 years if one is starting later in life? Is there a cut-off for mandatory retirement, either official or because of PT or something like that?

Whatis the reserve culture like?
I know a few that got the 20 years, but it wasn't by purely starting out and ending in the reserves (i.e., pharmacist on active duty for 8 years, then switched over to reserves for remaining time...I know another who started at 30 years of age and is still in reserves but needed to change job duties to stay in).

DOD does not want you past 64 years of age, and no branch of service will take anyone enlisted thats over 35 years of age. If it's remained the same, army officers coming in past 31 years of age will get turned away (waivers exist between branches though). Right now, there is absolutely no demand for pharmacists and the slot to fill that capacity is very slim.

Reserve culture is more or less what's been mentioned in this thread up to this point.
 
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