"All American grads are dumb"

[drctother]

---

Members do not see this ad.

Hello? Do you realize I was talking about QUALITY of care?
I can't take you seriously after you said, "ANY healthcare system in the world".

Be real:
When patients in other countries - even countries with advanced heathcare like England or German - get an impossible case, where do you think they'll come to seek treatment? The U.S.A.

You don't have to answer this, but despite your hate, your decision to attend a US med school only speaks to our quality of education 🙂


I am Asian and this anti-Americanism baffles me. The haters do their own countries' image more damage than the hated, I promise.
I'll appreciate it if you stop speaking for other people, thank you.


Truth: The quality of education is pretty consistent in every MD school in the US. A doc from Meharry would be just as competent as one from Harvard.
If you insist otherwise, please post statistics/ real stories to prove that no-name US med grads make more medical errors than Harvard grads.

I am in the US because I could not get into a Canadian medical school. They are too competitive, as in Harvard, Cornells, UCSF, Yale stats.....for every med school there. I am not ashamed of that. This has NOTHING to do with quality of education.

Anti-americanism? No. More that You needed to be corrected with your arrogance. You said that we apparently display anti-americanism to make ourselves feel better. This kind of arrogance is EXACTLY what gives America a bad name internationally. Feel better for what? Are you kidding me?

The world does not revolve around the US, I know you would like to think that and your media portrays it that way.

No, you are incorrect at assuming everyone with complicated problems comes to the US.

You claim that all medical schools in the US offer the same quality of education (or at least similar). Sigh. Enough said

Be proud of your country .....you have In N Out

 

[cyanide12345678]

I am doing a 4th year rotation at a Canadian institution just for fun.
So this morning I got to work with an attending who did his residency at Pitts. After finding out that I'm from America (top 25 schools), he said to the group of students, "All American grads are dumb. Our exams are much harder than yours"

I was quite speechless at that point. I strongly believe American training is equivalent if not better considering that many Canadian grads haven't done a single papsmear or something by the time they graduate..... Normally Canadians are quite ignorant in terms of American Programs. For example, my home institution has a high end boutique clinic in the city of the Canadian institute, yet no one there has heard of my home institution. So I was actually not embarrassed when the attending said it but it was more like a "deer-in-the-headlight" reaction.

Well having come from Pakistan, I don't think Americans get as much hands on training as someone in a third world country. In pakistan there was an influx of patients, countless dead bodies to train on, and no rules and regulations that would interfere with training (You don't go around getting sued all the time. Theres really no such thing as malpractice insurance for doctors). And medical school itself was 5 years with the last 3 years focused on clinical (so you kind of go into medical school straight after high school, rather than get an undergrad degree...But yea Pakistani high schools are kinda more accelerated than American high schools too (basically they follow the british education system) Like I did my high school from Pakistan as well and got 34 college credits for intro bio courses + labs, 2 semesters gen chem + labs, 2 semesters phy + labs, and calc 1 and calc 2. And almost everyone I know who has taken the USMLE from Pakistan has scored in the top 5% percentile (But they get more time to study for that). I guess another thing is that in Pakistan, your becoming a doctor and your not really concerned with anything else. No1 will have any research or any publications or anything else. So an average Pakistan medical school student in my opinion has had tonnes more clinical exposure than an american medical school student.

 

[winkleweizen]

I am in the US because I could not get into a Canadian medical school. They are too competitive, as in Harvard, Cornells, UCSF, Yale stats.....for every med school there. I am not ashamed of that. This has NOTHING to do with quality of education.

Anti-americanism? No. More that You needed to be corrected with your arrogance. You said that we apparently display anti-americanism to make ourselves feel better. This kind of arrogance is EXACTLY what gives America a bad name internationally. Feel better for what? Are you kidding me?

The world does not revolve around the US, I know you would like to think that and your media portrays it that way.

No, you are incorrect at assuming everyone with complicated problems comes to the US.

You claim that all medical schools in the US offer the same quality of education (or at least similar). Sigh. Enough said

Be proud of your country .....you have In N Out

Wrong, the world does revolve around the US...we have the largest waist lines.

 

[45408]

I am in the US because I could not get into a Canadian medical school. They are too competitive, as in Harvard, Cornells, UCSF, Yale stats.....for every med school there.

Source?

The world does not revolve around the US

Close enough.

 

[drctother]

Source?


Close enough.

Google, find a schools website, go to admissions statistics

Same place where other schools post their admission stats

Anyway I feel like this thread is going no where....

 

[Rendar5]

Google, find a schools website, go to admissions statistics

Same place where other schools post their admission stats

Anyway I feel like this thread is going no where....

http://www.oxfordseminars.ca/MCAT/mcat_profiles.php
I just took a look at the stats. avg MCATs 29-33. avg GPA's vary, some are good some are bad. some are based off a 4.5 scale, some based off 4.0 scale. Doesn't seem anything particularly different than US med schools. Only thing special I noted was that some required higher than average scores from out-of-province candidates

I've also interacted with plenty of canadian residents in my own field (they come to NYC for toxicology training). Just like US doctors, they're nothing special: some are good/some not.
My own place also has plenty of foreign grads who trained in the British system in a few specialties. Again, nothing particularly different. Some are quite good, some are quite average, and others are a bit lacking (and those ones are the same as their american counterparts: docs who think highly of themselves and don't see their deficiencies).

So if you want to think that your own country is superior to others, and superior to Americans, then congrats, you're quite american.

 

[drctother]

http://www.oxfordseminars.ca/MCAT/mcat_profiles.php
I just took a look at the stats. avg MCATs 29-33. avg GPA's vary, some are good some are bad. some are based off a 4.5 scale, some based off 4.0 scale. Doesn't seem anything particularly different than US med schools. Only thing special I noted was that some required higher than average scores from out-of-province candidates

I've also interacted with plenty of canadian residents in my own field (they come to NYC for toxicology training). Just like US doctors, they're nothing special: some are good/some not.
My own place also has plenty of foreign grads who trained in the British system in a few specialties. Again, nothing particularly different. Some are quite good, some are quite average, and others are a bit lacking (and those ones are the same as their american counterparts: docs who think highly of themselves and don't see their deficiencies).

So if you want to think that your own country is superior to others, and superior to Americans, then congrats, you're quite american.

Good find on the website. Usually there isn't nicely organized websites with all the stats. Unfortunately we dont have one big organization in charge of schools like the AAMC or AACOMAS so the problem with sites like this is that not all of the stats are accurate (ie some may be from 5 years ago) A few of those are definitely off on their stats (some even significantly). There is one school listed there with a much higher MCAT than it really is, but also a few that state their GPA is lower than it really is (UofC in-province GPA is not 3.2, its much higher for example. Its a 3 year program and too popular to have a 3.2). I personally think the GPAs are quite high which sucked as a pre-med (UofT 3.88, UBC 4.0, UWO 3.7, Queens 3.68, Memorial 3.7, McMaster 3.8, Mcgill 3.83, Dalhouse 3.8). Those are almost all our schools right there and all the ones on a 4.0 scale, and im only missing 3 schools (off the top my head) which either dont state their GPA or have it on a 4.5 scale (Sask)

Anyway, I definitely don't in any way,shape, or form think I am superior nor do I think my country is superior to every other country. I definitely dont agree with anyone from the US or Canada claiming their grads are as a whole smarter than the other. I just wish people wouldn't make comments like "canadians are anti-american because they wish we were us" which is basically what the the person above said

 

[Instatewaiter]

Well having come from Pakistan, I don't think Americans get as much hands on training as someone in a third world country. In pakistan there was an influx of patients, countless dead bodies to train on, and no rules and regulations that would interfere with training (You don't go around getting sued all the time. Theres really no such thing as malpractice insurance for doctors). And medical school itself was 5 years with the last 3 years focused on clinical (so you kind of go into medical school straight after high school, rather than get an undergrad degree...But yea Pakistani high schools are kinda more accelerated than American high schools too (basically they follow the british education system) Like I did my high school from Pakistan as well and got 34 college credits for intro bio courses + labs, 2 semesters gen chem + labs, 2 semesters phy + labs, and calc 1 and calc 2. And almost everyone I know who has taken the USMLE from Pakistan has scored in the top 5% percentile (But they get more time to study for that). I guess another thing is that in Pakistan, your becoming a doctor and your not really concerned with anything else. No1 will have any research or any publications or anything else. So an average Pakistan medical school student in my opinion has had tonnes more clinical exposure than an american medical school student.

First do you think there is a correlation to the excellent health care training pakastani grads get and the "countless dead bodies" that pakistan has? Just a question

I have to disagree with regard to the hands on nature of training in pakistan. I have worked with a few pakistani grads and was pretty underwhelmed. Perhaps they are the exception. FYI, 2 digit score =/= percentile on USMLE.

 

[sineapse]

Well having come from Pakistan, I don't think Americans get as much hands on training as someone in a third world country. In pakistan there was an influx of patients, countless dead bodies to train on, and no rules and regulations that would interfere with training (You don't go around getting sued all the time. Theres really no such thing as malpractice insurance for doctors). And medical school itself was 5 years with the last 3 years focused on clinical (so you kind of go into medical school straight after high school, rather than get an undergrad degree...But yea Pakistani high schools are kinda more accelerated than American high schools too (basically they follow the british education system) Like I did my high school from Pakistan as well and got 34 college credits for intro bio courses + labs, 2 semesters gen chem + labs, 2 semesters phy + labs, and calc 1 and calc 2. And almost everyone I know who has taken the USMLE from Pakistan has scored in the top 5% percentile (But they get more time to study for that). I guess another thing is that in Pakistan, your becoming a doctor and your not really concerned with anything else. No1 will have any research or any publications or anything else. So an average Pakistan medical school student in my opinion has had tonnes more clinical exposure than an american medical school student.

This is such an ignorant post, on so many levels.