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An advisor mentioned a student who was initially very skeptical but was pleasantly surprised by the school, ended up on multiple publications, etc. Any students from the Alliant's California School of Professional Psychology, San Diego campus?
 

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Their APA match rate worries me. It was average last year and below average every year before that. I’m sure it’s possible to be successful there, but I’d rather go to a program that doesn’t carry the professional school stigma.
 

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I would consider aggregated data over the past 6-10 years as opposed to anecdotal data from a student. That said, there is a stigma (in most cases well earned) associated with professional programs. Some are better than others, though your best bet is to try for university-based programs with a match rate of at least 80-90%.

During the worst years of the internship crunch, 75% was the bare minimum i’d consider acceptable, though now I think that % is low for the 5yr rate bc the overall match rate has trended up.
 
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Their APA match rate worries me. It was average last year and below average every year before that. I’m sure it’s possible to be successful there, but I’d rather go to a program that doesn’t carry the professional school stigma.
It worried me too so I didn't apply there this year. But now I'm considering it for next year due to a lack of options...
 

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It worried me too so I didn't apply there this year. But now I'm considering it for next year due to a lack of options...
You shouldn't make decisions based on impatience and desperation. You posted another thread about being frustrated that you don't have any publications or posters from your research experience that would make you competitive for good quality, funded programs. The wise option (financially, quality of training, career trajectory, etc.) is to spend the next year or two getting research experience with some kind of productivity before reapplying. It's not a good plan to hastily apply to expensive, poor quality programs, because you want to get into grad school as soon as possible.
 
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It worried me too so I didn't apply there this year. But now I'm considering it for next year due to a lack of options...
It seems like you're ignoring a lot of better options (applying geographically broad to less competitive programs, using the time between now and applications to get yourself some products, etc) and acting as if you have none. It also seems like you have not been very planful in getting what you need to be successful in the way you want/expect yourself to be. I described some of this in your other thread about how to obtain products/outcomes from publication. Alliant is a junk program and is a waste of time, money, and effort.
 

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I know some really awesome graduates from that program, but they also had some concerns about some of their peers. Essentially, the SDN "party line" about professional schools seems to hold true for this program: yes, the cream will rise to the top, but the concern is more about the average student's experiences and general quality control. The rock stars that I know were able to connect to other labs and training experiences that weren't par for the course at that program. That being said, I know some of the faculty and they are top notch. I still don't think it's worth the cost, though.
 
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Don't do it, man. Trust us, there are better options in life.
 
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You shouldn't make decisions based on impatience and desperation. You posted another thread about being frustrated that you don't have any publications or posters from your research experience that would make you competitive for good quality, funded programs. The wise option (financially, quality of training, career trajectory, etc.) is to spend the next year or two getting research experience with some kind of productivity before reapplying. It's not a good plan to hastily apply to expensive, poor quality programs, because you want to get into grad school as soon as possible.
Fair point. I am the only RA on a new study rolling out and already talked to the PI about publishing part of the gathered data and doing a poster. I will also be looking for research coordinator type positions, I've been applying to those. How would you define a poor quality program? What is the most important stat to look at, aside from licensure rate?
 

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Fair point. I am the only RA on a new study rolling out and already talked to the PI about publishing part of the gathered data and doing a poster. I will also be looking for research coordinator type positions, I've been applying to those. How would you define a poor quality program? What is the most important stat to look at, aside from licensure rate?
Look at:

-APA-accredited internship match rate
-EPPP pass rate
-licensure rate
-cohort size (ideally <10)
-attrition (any higher than one student every couple years and I'd have serious questions for the program)
-funding (anything less than fully-funded is untenable, at least in my opinion)
-publication rates for students (if available) and faculty
-grant funding for faculty (if they don't have any funding, they're likely not doing as much research, which gives you fewer opportunities to get posters and pubs)
 
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Fair point. I am the only RA on a new study rolling out and already talked to the PI about publishing part of the gathered data and doing a poster. I will also be looking for research coordinator type positions, I've been applying to those. How would you define a poor quality program? What is the most important stat to look at, aside from licensure rate?
Fully-funded. The rest of the stats are probably fine after that one. Since you are talking about some solid research experience, then you are doing what you need to do to get into a funded slot. Research pays the bills for the education.
 
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I'm a PsyD student at Alliant going into an APA internship in the fall with a major rotation in neuropsychology. The biggest problem with Alliant for me is the money. Tuition is very high and practicum stipends are low or non existent. You will have very little time for a part time job while going to school as well. That being said, CSPP itself has a fairly good reputation and it's growing. We recently didn't require students to go to APA internships so a lot completed CAPPIC internships because they wanted to stay in San Diego and we're just interested in private practice. If you want a good experience you CAN have it. You need to pick a professor as you would in any other program for mentorship, and pick a good one. If you seek them out there are plenty of research project opportunities. I am doing one at UCSD (unpaid though). There are several opportunities for research experience with UCSD. You can private message me for more questions, I think I have a fairly honest and balanced view of both the PhD and PsyD programs.
 

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You need to pick a professor as you would in any other program for mentorship, and pick a good one.
Just to clarify, in most mentor-model programs, you're basically applying to work with a specific professor, who then selects you for admission. You don't get into the school first and then pick your advisor- it works the other way around.
 

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Just to clarify, in most mentor-model programs, you're basically applying to work with a specific professor, who then selects you for admission. You don't get into the school first and then pick your advisor- it works the other way around.
Also, most mentor-model programs don't require you as a student to seek out research project opportunities on your own. You can work on research in your mentor's lab and/or expand your focus outside of their expertise by collaborating with other professionals, often utilizing the relationships already established and fostered by your program/mentor.
 

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I'm a PsyD student at Alliant going into an APA internship in the fall with a major rotation in neuropsychology. The biggest problem with Alliant for me is the money. Tuition is very high and practicum stipends are low or non existent. You will have very little time for a part time job while going to school as well. That being said, CSPP itself has a fairly good reputation and it's growing. We recently didn't require students to go to APA internships so a lot completed CAPPIC internships because they wanted to stay in San Diego and we're just interested in private practice. If you want a good experience you CAN have it. You need to pick a professor as you would in any other program for mentorship, and pick a good one. If you seek them out there are plenty of research project opportunities. I am doing one at UCSD (unpaid though). There are several opportunities for research experience with UCSD. You can private message me for more questions, I think I have a fairly honest and balanced view of both the PhD and PsyD programs.
Would you say the 200k+ in debt would suffice for a young mother. Since its deemed impossible to stay employed while going to school
 

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Would you say the 200k+ in debt would suffice for a young mother. Since its deemed impossible to stay employed while going to school
For $200,000 in student loans at 6.6% interest rate, which is the current rate for federal direct unsubsidized loans, you can expect to pay $1,363 per month on an extended 25-year repayment plan. To comfortably afford repaying this loan, it is estimated that you need to make an annual salary of at least $163,553. The median annual salary for a psychologist in 2015 was $85,000. If you use income-based repayment plans, then the remaining loan amount that is forgiven at the end of the 25-year period is fully taxable, so you may owe IRS several thousands of dollars. Loans forgiven through the Public Service Loan Forgiveness program are not reported as taxable income, but the program may not be around by the time you become eligible.
 

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For $200,000 in student loans at 6.6% interest rate, which is the current rate for federal direct unsubsidized loans, you can expect to pay $1,363 per month on an extended 25-year repayment plan. To comfortably afford repaying this loan, it is estimated that you need to make an annual salary of at least $163,553. The median annual salary for a psychologist in 2015 was $85,000. If you use income-based repayment plans, then the remaining loan amount that is forgiven at the end of the 25-year period is fully taxable, so you may owe IRS several thousands of dollars. Loans forgiven through the Public Service Loan Forgiveness program are not reported as taxable income, but the program may not be around by the time you become eligible.
Yikes, thank you.
 

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Edit: Whoops, didn't see that this was an old thread and I'd already posted. ;)
 
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