Am I being selfish???!!

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I have a significant other who is also at college although a different one than me. He parties a lot, and has a really good time, which is fine. We will probably end up getting married(fyi). Is it wrong for me to feel like I'm doing all the work to make 100k/year for us, and not partying while he has the time of his life, and will make 30k??? I guess I just needed to vent, but it just doesn't seem fair. Any opinions/advice/experiences?? just curious!
 
I'm sort of in that situation, but mine doesn't party. He just doesn't try as hard as I do in school, and he wants to be a fire-fighter. On one hand I'd like him to make more money...at least half of what I make, but on the other hand I want him to have a job that he will enjoy and be good at. I don't want to resent him, but it shouldn't be all about money. I know he will be a hard worker, and a fire-fighting is a very honorable profession in my opinion, but I've always wanted to be more than mediocre. I feel horrible for feeling this way. 🙁 When I start worrying about that I pop in The Notebook to remind myself that I'll be happier with someone I love than someone who just has money. :laugh:
Not everyone falls in love with a millionaire.
 
I guess we can't help who we fall in love with though, right? I'm in the same situation sort of. His line of work requires years of experience before he can make descent money, so in the mean time he is working a metiocre job and partying while I study. You shouldn't really feel that you are doing all the work because it is the path we chose, but I understand how you feel.Think of it this way, if in any case it doesn't work out at least you will still be making a great living for yourself and not depending on anyone. Life is not fair and some people have it easier than others, but try to learn to accept your fate and think of the great life you will have once you are done.
 
Not that I know you at all, or what's best for you. But hey, it's SDN, so WTF. ahaha 😉


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Nah, I don't think you're selfish.

But I do think you should try to work on being more "okay" with your choices in life and his as well. That doesn't mean accepting his partying behavior, by the way--just that his wanting to graduate and make 30k is a valid life plan. Grad school isn't for everyone.

About the partying, though, it sounds like that doesn't really line up with the lifestyle you want for yourself (or maybe even the lifestyle you want to have together with him, one day). Maybe you should try talking to him about that. You don't want to go off to pharm school, study hard, and be supporting him while he's out hitting on other chicks (or "female friends") at bars or parties. Definitely not cool.
 
don't get married

not yet...


wait


i believe money is the #1 reason for divorce.....
 
Kris - why are you going to school to make $100K for ?us?. IMO - you should be going to school for you!!! If pharmacy is for you...the money you make won't make up for the headaches you'll endure - IF money is all you are looking for. Patients, work schedules, colleagues will all ultimately make you bitter, especially if your SO is not supportive (you didn't mention this - is he supportive, in spite of his partying?).

Robin - it seems you have an underlying opinion that a firefighter, altho honorable, is more "mediocre" than pharmacists - perhaps I've misinterpreted. Not to say you are wrong - everyone has their own & valid opinions, however, if you've ever spent any time at all in a hospital...you'll learn to appreciate all those folks who don't have a degree. They are not mediocre at all - they do work (clean & turn around a room in 20 minutes for a post op pt, clean up diarrhea once an hr for a colitis pt without complaint, make up 11PM dinner trays for an post-natal mother who has been NPO for 24 hrs) that many of us wouldn't want to do! The individual who has goals & continues to strive to complete that goal is to be acknowledged & appreciated for who they are & what they want to be.

So...the OP asked for experiences - I've already given my opinion. I'd have to say..think how you'd feel/react if these were your children???? My husband is a Type B, and very, very smart individual who became a dentist. I am a Type A (won't comment on the smart part) who became a pharmacist. Our daughter is a Type A who is far smarter than the sum of either of us who is in medical school. Our son is a Type B who is very smart - but in the creative sense (didn't like math or science) who is getting his bachelor's degree in graphic design. Now..if we were to evaluate our children on income alone - her potential is far greater than his. However, he is doing something neither one of us could do...he "sees" life, things & the world & his success is in what he values - not in what he will earn. She is doing something we might have been able to do, but neither of us wanted to do...yet, her success will be the same as his - what she values, not what she earns.

So...I guess I'm trying to have you think about what you see as success & if you have the ability someday to instill that value in someone, what would you want them to take with them after you are gone? Would you want their value to be in their income potential alone...or would it be in who they are, what they want for themselves, how they see themselves as part of a family, society, a partner in a relationship....????

Sorry to pontificate or if I've misinterpreted (I don't mean to offend!).
 
Oh, and I'm wondering if females are more prone to feel this way. Many women are house wives and stay at home mom's, and I don't think I've ever heard of a husband complain that he makes all the money. Then again I know of several instances where a wife has wanted to make some purchase and had to talk it over with her husband because it's his money, but the husband doesn't always discuss his big purchases with her.

i believe money is the #1 reason for divorce.....

I've heard that too...and it sucks, however, isn't that a bigger factor for couples who make less than 30,000 a year or something?
 
Kris10h said:
I have a significant other who is also at college although a different one than me. He parties a lot, and has a really good time, which is fine. We will probably end up getting married(fyi). Is it wrong for me to feel like I'm doing all the work to make 100k/year for us, and not partying while he has the time of his life, and will make 30k???

Yes you are wrong.
 
Robinbird said:
I've heard that too...and it sucks, however, isn't that a bigger factor for couples who make less than 30,000 a year or something?


No

Money is an issue no matter what the net income of the family
 
Kris10h said:
I have a significant other who is also at college although a different one than me. He parties a lot, and has a really good time, which is fine. We will probably end up getting married(fyi). Is it wrong for me to feel like I'm doing all the work to make 100k/year for us, and not partying while he has the time of his life, and will make 30k???

Yes you are wrong. Are you looking to have a relationship with a person or a salary?
 
Robin - it seems you have an underlying opinion that a firefighter, altho honorable, is more "mediocre" than pharmacists - perhaps I've misinterpreted. Not to say you are wrong - everyone has their own & valid opinions, however, if you've ever spent any time at all in a hospital...you'll learn to appreciate all those folks who don't have a degree. They are not mediocre at all - they do work (clean & turn around a room in 20 minutes for a post op pt, clean up diarrhea once an hr for a colitis pt without complaint, make up 11PM dinner trays for an post-natal mother who has been NPO for 24 hrs) that many of us wouldn't want to do! The individual who has goals & continues to strive to complete that goal is to be acknowledged & appreciated for who they are & what they want to be.

I have a problem with him wanting to be a firefigher for a few reasons, the main one being that it is dangerous and I don't want him to die and I don't want to worry about him all the time. I know that very few figherfighters actually die in fires and he could die driving to work in any other profession. He turns it around and says I could get shot working in a pharmacy. It's just hard for me to get the idea of him rushing into a burning building out of my head, and I do know that he most likely won't be doing that on a daily basis. By mediocre, I didn't mean that firefighting is a mediocre job in the respect that it is less respectable, difficult, or appreciatable (and i did read it is the most stressful job 2nd to president of the US). I meant mediocre as in income...which is shallow I know, but I've always dreamed of having a nice house. Yes, out of all of the things I could spend money on a house is number one. And incase you are wondering, I don't want to become a pharmacist just because of the money, and I am not going to stop him from becoming a firefighter and I'll still marry him if he decides to be one, but I can understand how it can feel frustrating to think of the future and wonder if there will be resentment over money issues.
 
At one point of my life, I was probably in your boyfriend's shoes, minus the partying and having a good time. My current boyfriend used to pressure me to pursue a higher education since he got into medical school. I became defensive and told him that I was happy with what I was doing....doing research while earning $40K and being able to spend time with my family (or at least supporting them since they weren't working). Plus, I wasn't ready at the time to pursue higher education because I felt that my grades weren't good enough. Fortunately, things changed (lab closing, sisters getting married) for me that I came to my senses on what I wanted to do.

Now, my boyfriend is much more happier that I'm on a path of becoming a pharmacist. But I still get the occasional comment: You need to make at least half the amount that I am going to make. 😡

My question would be how you define your relationship with your boyfriend? If you love him for who he is....great! I don't think money should play a role in relationships...b/c that can ultimately ruin them.
 
My husband and I have had this conversation before, but from a different angle. We've been poor students for most of our marriage, so we've learned to work through most of our money issues. Right now he makes more money than me (he works in IT), but it's very possible that I will be making more than him when I get out of pharmacy school.

My husband isn't sexist at all, but I think that he still feels uncomfortable that I might be the higher breadwinner. Chalk it up to chivalry or whatever, but he wants to be able to provide for our family. I tell him that he does more than enough and that he won't be marginalized if my paycheck is bigger than his. I just want him to do something that he enjoys and that he feels that he can make a career out of. One way to keep your marriage/relationship healthy is to make sure that each individual is happy with themselves, and career satisfaction can play a big role in self-esteem.

So while this doesn't really answer the OP's question, I think that Robin should consider her boyfriend's happiness, not just the income that he's bringing in.
 
Perhaps it is uncomfortable to be earning more money than the husband because that would leave the husband with nothing to contribute. Unless he started being the housewife.

Not to mention, I had a cousin once tell me that there's a reason why the wife takes care of the money and taxes, and the husband goes to work. It gives a distribution of power to each person over money.

I don't think I would mind if I earned more money, but seeing this thread, it makes me think about it more.
 
Kris10h said:
I have a significant other who is also at college although a different one than me. He parties a lot, and has a really good time, which is fine. We will probably end up getting married(fyi). Is it wrong for me to feel like I'm doing all the work to make 100k/year for us, and not partying while he has the time of his life, and will make 30k??? I guess I just needed to vent, but it just doesn't seem fair. Any opinions/advice/experiences?? just curious!

OK - I'll wade in here with opinions. I have been married for 16 years, so I think maybe I have a bit of perspective over time. Money does matter, and it will matter in your relationships no matter how little or much you end up making. Now, all things considered, it's a good thing to be making more, or at least enough that you don't have to worry about providing for your family. My suggestion is that you should carefully examine with your prospective mate just how do you both feel about money. How did your parents teach you to manage money? What is your current financial situation? Are you spenders or savers? etc. How would he/she feel if they made a lot less or a lot more than the other? If you have big differences of opinion there, then it will probably be a problem later on. For the OP, be sure to talk all this out before the engagement ring comes out 🙂

My other big issue to think about is more a quality of life thing. You should think very carefully about how your choices now will impact quality of life later. How will you deal with your job when the children come along? Where is your chosen profession going to dictate that you live? In retrospect, my husband and I should have made slightly different choices earlier. I am now going back to pharmacy school at age 39 because we want more geographic flexibility - something we can't get with his job. We have both made job sacrifices along the way to accomodate bearing and raising children. My little sister is a PhD married to a PhD, and they are right now living apart because of job issues - the message from that is that two high-powered careers may not be as great as you think.
 
Kris10h said:
I have a significant other who is also at college although a different one than me. He parties a lot, and has a really good time, which is fine. We will probably end up getting married(fyi). Is it wrong for me to feel like I'm doing all the work to make 100k/year for us, and not partying while he has the time of his life, and will make 30k??? I guess I just needed to vent, but it just doesn't seem fair. Any opinions/advice/experiences?? just curious!


Having watched part of a Dr. Phil episode once, I feel highly qualified to field this question.

To be read in Dr. Phil's voice:

Let me tell you something, Kris10h. Marriage is like rowing a boat. Now when you row a boat you need two oars in the water, or else you're never gonna get anywhere, right? Well it sounds to me like your boyfriend is sitting in the bow of the boat with a six pack in his lap while you do all the rowing. So let me tell you like it is. If I were you I would tell that turkey to either grab an oar or start swimming. Because if you're rowing to the shore alone, you might as well be able to enjoy a few hunky cabana boys when you get there.

And by the way, that's exactly what I told Oprah to do with Stedman.
 
Would it make a difference if he partied all the time, went into sales and makes 50-70k a year? What's the real problem, that he's partying while you have to work or that he's not worthy (financially) to date you?

I understand the need to vent, but quiet frankly what the heck are you doing venting about money and equity here for? Talk to your SO. If you can't or that doesn't work, then you shouldn't be getting married period. You don't have the type of love that's capable of marriage, because if you resent the situation now, you're going to resent in 5 years down the road after it's become a giant festering sore on the relationship.
 
Screw the profession and screw the salary. If he can give you an orgasm, he's a keeper. 👍

Chris
 
freshbeatschris said:
Screw the profession and screw the salary. If he can give you an orgasm, he's a keeper. 👍

Chris
HAHA, right on. SO TRUE!!! :laugh:
 
I don't think the money(income) is what is really issue for me, I think its more of the "I'm studying while you are out partying" thing. Thanks for the responses so far, both funny and serious.
 
Kris10h said:
I don't think the money(income) is what is really issue for me, I think its more of the "I'm studying while you are out partying" thing. Thanks for the responses so far, both funny and serious.

If salary isn't the issue, why do you think he must put in the same amount of studying as you do? Obviously he is going into a different field as you so you can't even begin to compare the work required by the degrees. Something's not quite right if you expect him to study as much as you do in pharmschool.
 
Kris10h said:
I don't think the money(income) is what is really issue for me, I think its more of the "I'm studying while you are out partying" thing. Thanks for the responses so far, both funny and serious.

If you hate studying that much then why are you choosing pharmacy? Do you expect him to be "miserable" too...just because you are? (i'm not saying you are miserable...that is what it sounds like though...but come on studying isn't THAT bad)

Different fields require different levels of studying. You knew this when you chose pharmacy...that doesn't mean everyone else should be held up to your level of studying. You know that saying..."misery loves company".

No offense...but I think immaturity is the big problem here.
 
I think that like others have said in their replies, you should really discuss the future, and what you want out of it, with your SO. I'm guessing that right now all of your finances, as well as most of your daytime hours are spent apart since you go to different schools. When one or both of you finish school you're going to have to make a lot of decisions....especially about finances. It's not that your husband's job isn't important or respected as you've both said, it's just the fact that the training for their job did not require nearly the same amount of time and mental energy as your future career, and accordingly they are paid less. Let's face it, in general the longer and/or harder a degree is to receive, the more you get paid once you have it. I think it's natural to kind of say to yourself at some point "hey, is this party guy just going to get to keep living it up because of my hard work?", and honestly that might end up being the case in some sense, but I think it's important to make sure both parties are contributing to the relationship by some means. He may want to keep his job, and if so would you expect him to take care of all the chores at home because you make the lion's share of the money?

What I'm trying to say is that you're going to be in a strange situation because there's going to be a role reversal in finances. The tradition that men make the money is still in the back of society's mind, and you need to make sure that you don't end up thinking of him as a bad provider. You know what kind of money he is making and if you marry him you should love him fully and accept what his financial contribution is so long as his contribution to the relationship and your needs is good, not that you're off te hook with meeting his needs either.

So just as some starting points, I was wondering if you know how you feel as a couple about any of the following:

If he graduates and is working while you're in pharm school is he going to move in with you and use his little money to sustain you both while you're not making any money in pharm school, and if not, what are you going to do for money?

How does he feel about spending, and has he shown the ability to be discerning with how he uses his money? I ask this just because I think it's something essential for any couple, and if either of you feels uncomfortable with the other's spending habits I think it's important to voice that and come to an agreement before merging your finances, which is inevitable if you stay together.


What are his goals in life as of this point, and what does he want out of the next few years?

Related to the above question, how exactly does your career fit into his idea of the future? I say this because if you go ahead and buy the big house and live a certain lifestyle you will then be required to work, and only your husband will have the option of being a stay at home parent for housework or kids. I guess I'm just saying he should be aware and okay with the fact that you probably will be more of a career woman (I'm guessing) and won't be home all the time to look after kids and whip up dinner every night. At the same time you must accept the fact that he will simply not earn what you do and may have more free time than you.

Obviously finances are only one aspect of life as a couple, but I feel if you aren't on the same page financially it can poison every other aspect of your relationship because how you spend your money has an affect on so much of your life.
 
OK, seriously.

I think you should consider whether you are ready to get married anytime soon. Only you can make that call. The fact that you are having these feelings should give you some insight into how you really feel about the relationship.

I am very much in love with my husband, but also very pragmatic about relationships. Here are some things to consider when evaluating life partners:

Do you share the same hopes/dreams? Do you share a common vision of how to achieve them? Can you support the other's quest to acheive their goals/dreams without feeling like a martyr?

What about personal values? I'm not talking moral values necessarily, but rather simpler stuff like, "Does my SO like to got out and party on the weekends, but I'd rather snuggle up at home with takeout and a movie?"

Assume that everything that annoys you about the other person will NEVER change. Because it may not. People do not easily change. Are these things just foibles (he's a little messy) or serious character flaws (he's a chauvinist/bigot/racist)? Do you love the flawed person OR your personal ideal of what you would like him or her to be? Can you love someone who WILL NEVER EVER put his dirty socks in the hamper (or whatever?).

How is his relationship with his family? How is yours? I used think you could judge a man by how he treats his mother. That was before I met my crazy mother in law. My husband treats me like a princess. He is wonderful to women - women love him. His mom is just crazy. How will you integrate and manage relationships with your two families of orgin?


Getting back to the original question - there are times when you need to be selfish and there are times when you should be selfless. Ideally, in a relationship there should be a continuum of giving and taking, with one side never bearing too much of the sacrifice and both sides (usually) resentment free. Resentment is POISON to relationships.

Good luck!
 
All4MyDaughter said:
OK, seriously.

I think you should consider whether you are ready to get married anytime soon. Only you can make that call. The fact that you are having these feelings should give you some insight into how you really feel about the relationship.

I am very much in love with my husband, but also very pragmatic about relationships. Here are some things to consider when evaluating life partners:

Do you share the same hopes/dreams? Do you share a common vision of how to achieve them? Can you support the other's quest to acheive their goals/dreams without feeling like a martyr?

What about personal values? I'm not talking moral values necessarily, but rather simpler stuff like, "Does my SO like to got out and party on the weekends, but I'd rather snuggle up at home with takeout and a movie?"

Assume that everything that annoys you about the other person will NEVER change. Because it may not. People do not easily change. Are these things just foibles (he's a little messy) or serious character flaws (he's a chauvinist/bigot/racist)? Do you love the flawed person OR your personal ideal of what you would like him or her to be? Can you love someone who WILL NEVER EVER put his dirty socks in the hamper (or whatever?).

How is his relationship with his family? How is yours? I used think you could judge a man by how he treats his mother. That was before I met my crazy mother in law. My husband treats me like a princess. He is wonderful to women - women love him. His mom is just crazy. How will you integrate and manage relationships with your two families of orgin?


Getting back to the original question - there are times when you need to be selfish and there are times when you should be selfless. Ideally, in a relationship there should be a continuum of giving and taking, with one side never bearing too much of the sacrifice and both sides (usually) resentment free. Resentment is POISON to relationships.

Good luck!


D@mn, better said than me and with less words.....you win this time :meanie:
 
bananaface said:
We've seen pictures of your daughter. Are you claiming immaculate conception? :laugh:

She had her eyes closed the entire time.
 
Wait until you attend pharmacy school, dump the scrub, and hook up w/me. Personal dilemma solved.
 
🙂 🙂 I agrre money does matter, but couple should talk about it before marrige, there is no right or wrong answer here but the couple knwo more about what otehr thinlk a bout money, who get more ower in the house, need diswcuss, also wehn youget marrige, have children, as you know to raise kid here cost lots of money , so nmake good money not just for yourself, do the job you want but also your responsible to feed your chilren and many time help your parent s who retire and not have enough money to pay thier medications. As a pharmacist s you may see someone come in for medication and co pay too high and they jus walk away and you know as a pahramacists therse medicatiopon are necesary for their conditions.
So moeny doe s matter not just for yourself but for the folks live with you
rxlynn said:
OK - I'll wade in here with opinions. I have been married for 16 years, so I think maybe I have a bit of perspective over time. Money does matter, and it will matter in your relationships no matter how little or much you end up making. Now, all things considered, it's a good thing to be making more, or at least enough that you don't have to worry about providing for your family. My suggestion is that you should carefully examine with your prospective mate just how do you both feel about money. How did your parents teach you to manage money? What is your current financial situation? Are you spenders or savers? etc. How would he/she feel if they made a lot less or a lot more than the other? If you have big differences of opinion there, then it will probably be a problem later on. For the OP, be sure to talk all this out before the engagement ring comes out 🙂

My other big issue to think about is more a quality of life thing. You should think very carefully about how your choices now will impact quality of life later. How will you deal with your job when the children come along? Where is your chosen profession going to dictate that you live? In retrospect, my husband and I should have made slightly different choices earlier. I am now going back to pharmacy school at age 39 because we want more geographic flexibility - something we can't get with his job. We have both made job sacrifices along the way to accomodate bearing and raising children. My little sister is a PhD married to a PhD, and they are right now living apart because of job issues - the message from that is that two high-powered careers may not be as great as you think.
 
ProRx said:
🙂 🙂 I agrre money does matter, but couple should talk about it before marrige, there is no right or wrong answer here but the couple knwo more about what otehr thinlk a bout money, who get more ower in the house, need diswcuss, also wehn youget marrige, have children, as you know to raise kid here cost lots of money , so nmake good money not just for yourself, do the job you want but also your responsible to feed your chilren and many time help your parent s who retire and not have enough money to pay thier medications. As a pharmacist s you may see someone come in for medication and co pay too high and they jus walk away and you know as a pahramacists therse medicatiopon are necesary for their conditions.
So moeny doe s matter not just for yourself but for the folks live with you

Ouch, MY virgin eyes. 😱
 
bananaface said:
Uh oh. More immaculate conception incoming! :laugh:

As long as she keeps her eyes closed, it will be ok. 😀
 
bananaface said:
Uh oh. More immaculate conception incoming! :laugh:

Well she could have children without knowing the O. Just a thought. I swear every traditional masculine person should take Human Sexuality, it's an interesting class. :idea:
 
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