Am I crazy to apply to this many schools?

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I took the August MCAT, so I know I'm a little late in the game. I have everything on my AMCAS app done except designating the schools. So far, my unedited list has 47 schools. I know at least 2-3 schools can be eliminated off the bat, but I'm not sure what to do about the rest. Is this a good number? I am a California resident, btw. Trying to apply to schools where I'll have the best shot as a nonresident. Anyway, so here goes:

1) USC-Keck
2) Loma Linda University
3) Stanford University
4) UC Davis
5) UC Irvine
6) UC Los Angeles
7) UC San Diego
8) UC San Francisco
9) George Washington University
10) Georgetown University
11) Howard University
12) Rosalind Franklin (Finch)
13) Loyola University Chicago
14) Northwestern University
15) University of Chicago, Pritzker
16) Tulane University
18) Tufts University
19) University of Michigan
20) Saint Louis University
21) Washington University
22) Creighton University
23) Darmouth Medical School
24) Albany Medical College
25) Albert Einstein College
26) Mount Sinai SNYU
27) New York Medical College
28) New York University SM
29) University of Rochester
30) Duke University
31) Wake Forest University
32) Case Western Reserve University
33) Medical College of Ohio
34) Ohio State University CMPH
35) Drexel University CM
36) Jefferson Medical College
37) Pennsylvania State University
38) Temple University
39) University of Pennsylvania
40) University of Pittsburgh
41) Meharry Medical College
42) Vanderbilt
43) University of Vermont
44) University of Oklahoma
45) Eastern Virginia Medical School
46) Virginia Commonwealth University
47) Medical College of Wisconsin

Any ideas on what to cut or what to add? Ideally, I would like 30-35 schools; I still have to do AACOMAS also, and that will be another 6-10 schools on top of this. Money is really not a concern (versus waiting a couple more years).

Background:
My major is in microbiology, immunology, and molecular genetics. Cumulative GPA is 3.77, BCPM is 3.68, and non-sci is 4.0. No clue what I'm going to get on the MCAT. I don't really want to jinx it, but somehow I doubt I'll be pulling off 34's and 36's. I'm looking more in the upper 20's.

Any advice is appreciated.
 
Pinkertinkle said:
30's probably the max you need with that GPA.

Yep, I agree. You have good stats, and consequently, you would be severely bumming writing secondaries for that many schools.
 
JumpingGenes said:
Yep, I agree. You have good stats, and consequently, you would be severely bumming writing secondaries for that many schools.

key word: secondaries

writing 30+ secondaries will kick your a$$
 
Thanks everyone. Yeah, I can understand how a lot of secondaries would be a real pain. That and I'm probably not going to have as much time as I'd like to do a *great* job on each and every one of them once regular session starts again.

Do you recommend I cut any schools in particular? Thanks.
 
Assembler said:
Thanks everyone. Yeah, I can understand how a lot of secondaries would be a real pain. That and I'm probably not going to have as much time as I'd like to do a *great* job on each and every one of them once regular session starts again.

Do you recommend I cut any schools in particular? Thanks.

Loma Linda - unless you are 7th day adventist
Oklahoma - you need to have ties to the state
Duke - gonna be tough with upper 20's on the MCAT
Washington University - need mid 30's for this one too. If this is UW, you need to be a washington state resident.

Arrange the rest based on where it's located and decide where you don't want to live. Considering you are planning on adding another 6-10 DO schools, you need to pair it down to about 30 or the secondaries will kill you if you try and do them during the fall semester. Remember that each secondary will take about 4 hours to do when you average out the times to write the essays, run to the post office, chase down your LOR's, etc. It's not easy, but you are just going to have to bite the bullet because with a 3.7 and anything above a 27, decent ECs, decent LORs you should get in somewhere.
 
Well, truth is, the more secondaries you write the easier the next one gets. Because they tend to ask the same stuff over and over. Even the why do you want to go here questions get pretty repetitive.

If you're going to cut, maybe start with Duke, unless you really dig it. That one equals about 5 normal secondaries, and it is not something you can swipe other essays for. Also, Loma Linda's kind of a different type of place to go to school, so if you haven't checked that out already, you might want to do that.

47 DOES sound like a lot of schools, and you could probably stand to cut a few...but if money's no issue, I really don't think the # of secondaries will be that bad.
 
It took me a few hours to organize everything, but I think I managed to cut a decent number off my list. I'm now down to 36. I'm keeping Loma Linda because it's in my home state, and even though I know it's Seventh Day Adventist, I guess it's better I try and apply anyway. I've heard they accept a few people that are not totally SDA. I would ordinarily throw out Oklahoma, but I know someone there. The only one I'm really stuck on right now is Case Western Reserve University. Not sure if I should throw that one out or not. Anyway, here is the edited list:

USC-Keck
Loma Linda University
Stanford University
UC Davis
UC Irvine
UC Los Angeles
UC San Diego
UC San Francisco
George Washington University
Georgetown University
Howard University
Rosalind Franklin (Finch)
Loyola University Chicago
Tulane University
Tufts University
University of Michigan
Saint Louis University
Creighton University
Albany Medical College
Albert Einstein College
New York Medical College
Wake Forest University
Case Western Reserve University
Medical College of Ohio
Ohio State University CMPH
Drexel University CM
Jefferson Medical College
Pennsylvania State University
Temple University
Meharry Medical College
University of Vermont
University of Oklahoma
Eastern Virginia Medical School
Virginia Commonwealth University
Medical College of Wisconsin

Tell me if I can stand to use a few more cuts. I think this is pretty good though, besides CWRU. It sucks eliminating all those other schools though because some of them accepted a lot of outsiders. Their stats were too high though.
 
Assembler said:
It took me a few hours to organize everything, but I think I managed to cut a decent number off my list. I'm now down to 36. I'm keeping Loma Linda because it's in my home state, and even though I know it's Seventh Day Adventist, I guess it's better I try and apply anyway. I've heard they accept a few people that are not totally SDA. I would ordinarily throw out Oklahoma, but I know someone there. The only one I'm really stuck on right now is Case Western Reserve University. Not sure if I should throw that one out or not. Anyway, here is the edited list:

USC-Keck
Loma Linda University
Stanford University
UC Davis
UC Irvine
UC Los Angeles
UC San Diego
UC San Francisco
George Washington University
Georgetown University
Howard University
Rosalind Franklin (Finch)
Loyola University Chicago
Tulane University
Tufts University
University of Michigan
Saint Louis University
Creighton University
Albany Medical College
Albert Einstein College
New York Medical College
Wake Forest University
Case Western Reserve University
Medical College of Ohio
Ohio State University CMPH
Drexel University CM
Jefferson Medical College
Pennsylvania State University
Temple University
Meharry Medical College
University of Vermont
University of Oklahoma
Eastern Virginia Medical School
Virginia Commonwealth University
Medical College of Wisconsin

Tell me if I can stand to use a few more cuts. I think this is pretty good though, besides CWRU. It sucks eliminating all those other schools though because some of them accepted a lot of outsiders. Their stats were too high though.

If $$$ is not an issue, the list looks fine. Michigan may be stretching it with a sub-30 MCAT but like I wrote previously, the only problem you will run into will be the time to fill out the secondaries while attending school in the fall (with the DO's, you'll be looking at ~45 applications to do).
 
I don't think you should have removed Univ. of Pittsburgh (great school - don't need god-like stats to get in), or Univ. of Pennsylvania (great school, secondary with no essays).
 
I don't know what sort of area you live in, in CA, but if a fast-paced, even quasi-metropolitan lifestyle is something you feel is a must have, you might want to reconsider Penn State. It's a great school, but Hershey isn't the biggest, or most cosmopolitan place you'll see.

Of course, from my point of view, it is actually a cultural center... but I do live in hick-ville, PA.

Just a thought, and good luck on so many apps! I would most certainly have to prostitute myself out to afford that many. :laugh: (especially since the going rate around here seems to be $7 per john)

Sev
 
I would remove Howard if you are not a URM. I'm not saying that you have to be an URM, but it accepts the most URM out of all the med schools.

Really think about Loma Linda. When I sent in my secondary I had to sit down and truly ask my partner "will you give up some of the things they ask for?" (e.g. no drinking EtOH, no smoking, attending service on Saturdays as well as Wednesdays, can't go out on Fridays', etc....) Also, Loma Linda in their secondary asks specifically if you ever had or have an affiliation with a religious organization. If yes, they want you to elaborate on it. So, if you don't have any religious organization you abide by, well, I think it could hurt you. But thats just my opinion.
 
case is a great school in the middle of no where with a secondary where they ask you to describe your research in depth.. so.. unless you have done or care about research i feel like you could be at a disadvantage.

penn state has a very easy secondary so you could always put off that decision

i don't know much about the other schools on your list- be prepared for a long secondary from keck
 
not sure if you are a seventh day adventist...they have strict guidelines on how you can live your life at Loma Linda...so unless you dont want to drink for the next four years..id cross that off.
 
I'd recommend approaching this the other way - unless there's a GOOD reason you want to attend those schools, don't apply there.
 
I second the removal of Howard if you're not an URM, and also Meharry since they have the same philosophy.
 
When I picked out my schools, I looked at % of out of staters (OOS) accepted (state schools) vs. their accepted GPA and MCAT combo - figured it would be even steeper for OOSs. I looked at state schools with the least bottlenecking and reasonable stats - watch out for "Train Physicians for the Region" mission statements too. Also, think about where you are actually willing to live for 4 or more years. Good luck with your applications.
 
until you beat my friend's 65 schools. im not impressed haha.

i assume you are from california.
with a 3.7-3.8 and upper 20s mcat, you sound just like my friend.
applied to approx 35 schools and got accepted to a couple of them. so dont reduce too much. at least 30-40 schools.
 
sockandmittens said:
case is a great school in the middle of no where

the residents of cleveland may take exception to this.
 
jlee9531 said:
until you beat my friend's 65 schools. im not impressed haha.

i assume you are from california.
with a 3.7-3.8 and upper 20s mcat, you sound just like my friend.
applied to approx 35 schools and got accepted to a couple of them. so dont reduce too much. at least 30-40 schools.

65?? HOLY COW 😱
 
lol, I've been getting a lot of problems with Loma Linda here. I know they have very strict rules about living there. I'm not exactly sure if I want to commit to those right now. Though, if I do end up getting into any CA school (which would be awesome), and it happens to be Loma Linda, I would do it. I'd love to stay in CA, but if it doesn't work out, then that's fine as long as I get in somewhere else.

I took out Howard and Meharry. I don't know if that was a good choice or not, but if it is 90% URM, then somehow I doubt I'd really get in. They didn't even list any GPA/MCAT stats, but I did like Howard, because it accepted a lot of nonresidents.

I looked up the stats for Case again; wow, they are crazy. If you're into research, I guess it's good, but I really don't want to write a thesis to get an MD, nor do I want to spend my summers doing research. I also dropped UPenn because their mean GPA is 3.78 and mean MCAT is 34 (what I consider to be insane).

jlee9531 - 65 schools?!!!!! Wow. Was that just Allopathic schools alone?

I'm pretty set on applying to 39 schools now. I have 9 CA schools down (including Charles R. Drew), and of those, I know six screen for sure. I also have what I consider to be 5 reach schools. With 14 that I'm not totally confident about, that leaves me with 25 out-of-state schools where I have a pretty decent shot. I think that's a good number.

Also, the reason I didn't drop Penn State is because even though it might be somewhat rural, geographic location isn't exactly my top priority. I can always consider that after I get some acceptances.

The biggest thing for me right now is to avoid getting rejected pre-secondary. So, even though 39 might seem like a bit much, 14-15 do screen.

Btw, thanks everyone for your concern and help.

CA:
Keck School of Medicine-USC
Loma Linda University
Stanford University (Screen)
UC Davis (Screen)
UC Irvine (Screen)
UC Los Angeles (Screen)
Charles R. Drew UMS (Probably Screen)
UC San Diego (Screen)
UC San Francisco (Screen)

Reaches:
Northwestern University (Screen)
University of Michigan
New York University SM
University of Pittsburgh (Screen)
University of Oklahoma

Out-of-State:
George Washington University
Georgetown University
Rosalind Franklin (Finch)
Loyola University Chicago (Screen)
University of Chicago, Pritzker
Tulane University
Boston University
Tufts University
Saint Louis University
Creighton University
Albany Medical College
Albert Einstein College
New York Medical College
University of Rochester
Wake Forest University (Screen)
Medical College of Ohio (Screen)
Ohio State University CMPH (Screen)
Drexel University CM
Jefferson Medical College
Pennsylvania State University
Temple University
University of Vermont
Eastern Virginia Medical School (Screen)
Virginia Commonwealth University (Screen)
Medical College of Wisconsin
 
GW and Georgetown could be a bit of a stretch as well. While they may be more likely to extend you a secondary/interview, they are notorious for rejecting far more students than the national average post-interview. It's an easy way to make some moeny for them by asking for secondaries.
 
I am in your same boat, but I took the MCAT last summer. Anyway, consider where you want to live. Do you really want to live in Wisconson or New York where the weather gets below zero. I applied to 28 school with 3.8 GPA and 28 on the MCAT. Have recieved sec from all school except UC Davis, UCSD and UCSF. However, I am not worried yet. Have had three interviews already too. Well, best of luck.
 
Assembler said:
I'm keeping Loma Linda because it's in my home state, and even though I know it's Seventh Day Adventist, I guess it's better I try and apply anyway.

USC-Keck
Loma Linda University
Stanford University
UC Davis
UC Irvine
UC Los Angeles
UC San Diego
UC San Francisco
George Washington University
Georgetown University
Howard University
Rosalind Franklin (Finch)
Loyola University Chicago
Tulane University
Tufts University
University of Michigan
Saint Louis University
Creighton University
Albany Medical College
Albert Einstein College
New York Medical College
Wake Forest University
Case Western Reserve University
Medical College of Ohio
Ohio State University CMPH
Drexel University CM
Jefferson Medical College
Pennsylvania State University
Temple University
Meharry Medical College
University of Vermont
University of Oklahoma
Eastern Virginia Medical School
Virginia Commonwealth University
Medical College of Wisconsin

Tell me if I can stand to use a few more cuts. I think this is pretty good though, besides CWRU. It sucks eliminating all those other schools though because some of them accepted a lot of outsiders. Their stats were too high though.

I thought the same thing about Loma Linda (I'm not even Christian) but when I saw the secondary...that was enough for me. I would take out Ohio State, oklahoma, Meharry (URM), and maybe Georgetown (I don't know how I can write up to a 2 page essay on why I want to go there). Case Western is a toss-up.

You should add Pitt, consider Mount Sinai, maybe BU, and Miami since you meet their out-of-state GPA cutoff. I know of 2 people here at UCLA that got in there.
 
You are looking at spending around $5000 on application fees alone, not to mention travel. With your grades you should be fine with 8-10 schools.

I applied to 10 with 3.5 and 36 and withdrew from 8 of those because I got accepted to my #2 (Case) in early October and to my #1 (U Colorado) in early December.
 
you can never apply to too many.
 
drsungoddess said:
I am in your same boat, but I took the MCAT last summer. Anyway, consider where you want to live. Do you really want to live in Wisconson or New York where the weather gets below zero. I applied to 28 school with 3.8 GPA and 28 on the MCAT. Have recieved sec from all school except UC Davis, UCSD and UCSF. However, I am not worried yet. Have had three interviews already too. Well, best of luck.

when did send your primary? i def dont have you stats but i got the UCDavis application...goes to show that this world is freaky.
 
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